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UberDemon
10-02-2004, 03:50 PM
...so I flew a real F-16 yesterday (not sim) and a validation of IL-2

http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0000.JPG

I apologize for the lack of updates on UQMG lately, especially related to the mission briefer... but I had other matters in mind.

As the pilot started to explain to me the flight procedures I told him that due to my father's experience as a pilot, I had the chance to informally sit and get a feel for flying in a variety of planes including helicopters. I also told the pilot about my involvement with flight simulators, etc... With that info the pilot felt free to throw all sorts of flying jargon, which I promptly understood.

I stuck a "sickness bag" (actually 2) between my flight suit and my G-suit; I was ready for major puking, as I hear some pilots like to have "casualties" in the back seat.

The crew chief helped me throught the cockpit setup which I had been trained on, and made sure I was ready in the back seat. After all pre-flight checks we taxied to the runway. It was time to take off. My adrenaline levels must have been as high as the first time I met my girlfriend's (now wife) father.

We took off on full after-burner. My first real experience with G-forces just happened... the back of my body was very heavy. I saw the ground become distant in a few seconds. But I survived. Next the pilot did a few high G maneuvers to test the G-suits... we were good. I survived those too... my first time experiencing real G-force... the breathing and body posturing training in combination with the G-suit paid off. I did not pass out... although I must say it was a rush experimenting with 4G's from the get go. This was all very fast. We were already fairly high.

http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0001.JPG

Suddenly I noticed the beauty of it all. High, looking down. I see why my father loved flying, especially as a fighter pilot in a P-80. I told the pilot that over the intercom, and although I did not see it, I know he smiled, then he agreed with me. You see, I was so fortunate to have a very experienced pilot.

I hoped that I would have the chance to at least have a feel of how it felt to fly this plane... Heck, touching the joystick would be good enough. (Hell! touching the plane would be just as good!!!). The pilot then told me, "Demian, you got control..." OK, and whatever, I though... but alas, I touched the joystick and I was flying the F-16. Maybe not a huge accomplishment to most, but to me it meant the world.

Knowing fully that the pilot was the commander I asked him if I could experiment with it, without going into anything crazy. The pilot said yes. So I did some light rolling and pitching... what a rush, even though it was not that significant. Negative G's were not pleasant at all... it is like getting drunk in a second and then feeling like you will die. It really sucks. Positive G's are easy to deal with as long as you breath right and, of course, you have a G-suit.

The pilot then said... "...you got a handle on it, how about a roll? Get the nose up a bit then go either left or right on the joystick..." I told the pilot I'd do a Port roll, he agreed, and I did it. WOA! It was great because I felt the turning motion, but I messed it up completely... It was not like IL-2. This is a high performance jet fighter; I let the joystick go too soon. Soooo.... I tried the right side (starboard), and it was a lot better. The pilot told me I was doing good... either that, or he was trying to make me feel good.

Regardless, I was in pure euphoria. "How about a loop?" You are kidding... So after I went to the heading the pilot indicated, I went down to about 10,000 feet, then I put full throttle, pulled the stick all the way back and felt the G-force building up.... man! what a rush. The pilot guided me throught the motions. "You are doing good." I breath correctly and keep looking at the HUD and to the sides... boy... that must have been the uglyest loop ever, I was too excited, so there was some rolling going on... but the pilot never took control from me... I guess I was not screwing up to bad.

Suddenly... I am upside down, looking into the world... I am ready to come back. I am still pulling back on the stick and I dive straight down... mind you in a jet fighter... I don't think that is such a great idea to go down at full throttle. The pilot tells me what to do... next thing I am pulling high G's again to get back to where I was around 10,000 feet. I see mountain tops and clouds... man... what a day...

Because I am not a rated pilot, I can go only so high, so we get close to my ceiling and we do something similar to a split-s... that is turn upside down and loop back the other way, except we go in the same direction. The pilot tells me I am doing allright... so it is time for some combat training... hmm what?

We found a bogey, and he had me track it down... then we simulate "shooting it". Then we find a ground target, and we "blow it up". Of course, all simulated- we don't have real ammo.

At this the pilot is just telling me the waypoints and I am flying the F-16, but I am getting a bit more cocky... I am pulling G's at every turn just for the fun of it because I have a handle on it. I repeat all acrobatic maneuvers for fun, and even do another loop... much better this time.

Here are some more pics:

http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0002.JPG
http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0003.JPG
http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0004.JPG
http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0005.JPG

The pilot says that we need to land. "Sir, I release control". "Demian, I got it." We go back to the base for a "butter" landing... a really good landing. The pilot taxis it to the starting point. He states there were no casualties... that means I did not puke. The crew chief is happy; no cleaning. He told me we pulled 6G's max in the flight, which is fine by me.

We went back to the fighter-pilot bar and got two large beer mugs filled with ******ss. We went to analyse the flight tapes. He showed me the maneuvers that we did. We talked for a while but it was not until I said something to the effect that the flight went very fast that the pilot said: "Of course it did... you did all the work, I just messed around with the other systems..." Not true of course... the pilot did the two most dangerous parts of flying, which are take-off and landing. He told me the mission was over an hour.

I flew an F-16 for about an hour. I did not realize that until he told me that. After watching the tape I got to see all my maneuers from the 12 o'clock perspective...

Kind of like the Il-2 tracks, right?

Not sure how many average "Joes" have gotten a chance to touch, must less fly something like the F-16, but alas I did yesterday. Very surreal if you ask me.

When I looked down into the landscape, I felt a lot like when I fly my missions in the Normandy maps. IL-2 is really an outstanding flight simulator, and I know that comparing it to a jet is not optimal, but heck, I felt some of the same things up there as I feel with IL-2... the main differences are that I was going really fast, and that I felt the physical repercussions of G-forces.

I am still in a state of awe... I got to actually fly an F-16. From what little I know, I can predict that the F-16 will be around for some years to come. What a delightfull plane it is to fly... anyway. Time for a few drinks.

Demon/UberDemon

UberDemon
10-02-2004, 03:50 PM
...so I flew a real F-16 yesterday (not sim) and a validation of IL-2

http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0000.JPG

I apologize for the lack of updates on UQMG lately, especially related to the mission briefer... but I had other matters in mind.

As the pilot started to explain to me the flight procedures I told him that due to my father's experience as a pilot, I had the chance to informally sit and get a feel for flying in a variety of planes including helicopters. I also told the pilot about my involvement with flight simulators, etc... With that info the pilot felt free to throw all sorts of flying jargon, which I promptly understood.

I stuck a "sickness bag" (actually 2) between my flight suit and my G-suit; I was ready for major puking, as I hear some pilots like to have "casualties" in the back seat.

The crew chief helped me throught the cockpit setup which I had been trained on, and made sure I was ready in the back seat. After all pre-flight checks we taxied to the runway. It was time to take off. My adrenaline levels must have been as high as the first time I met my girlfriend's (now wife) father.

We took off on full after-burner. My first real experience with G-forces just happened... the back of my body was very heavy. I saw the ground become distant in a few seconds. But I survived. Next the pilot did a few high G maneuvers to test the G-suits... we were good. I survived those too... my first time experiencing real G-force... the breathing and body posturing training in combination with the G-suit paid off. I did not pass out... although I must say it was a rush experimenting with 4G's from the get go. This was all very fast. We were already fairly high.

http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0001.JPG

Suddenly I noticed the beauty of it all. High, looking down. I see why my father loved flying, especially as a fighter pilot in a P-80. I told the pilot that over the intercom, and although I did not see it, I know he smiled, then he agreed with me. You see, I was so fortunate to have a very experienced pilot.

I hoped that I would have the chance to at least have a feel of how it felt to fly this plane... Heck, touching the joystick would be good enough. (Hell! touching the plane would be just as good!!!). The pilot then told me, "Demian, you got control..." OK, and whatever, I though... but alas, I touched the joystick and I was flying the F-16. Maybe not a huge accomplishment to most, but to me it meant the world.

Knowing fully that the pilot was the commander I asked him if I could experiment with it, without going into anything crazy. The pilot said yes. So I did some light rolling and pitching... what a rush, even though it was not that significant. Negative G's were not pleasant at all... it is like getting drunk in a second and then feeling like you will die. It really sucks. Positive G's are easy to deal with as long as you breath right and, of course, you have a G-suit.

The pilot then said... "...you got a handle on it, how about a roll? Get the nose up a bit then go either left or right on the joystick..." I told the pilot I'd do a Port roll, he agreed, and I did it. WOA! It was great because I felt the turning motion, but I messed it up completely... It was not like IL-2. This is a high performance jet fighter; I let the joystick go too soon. Soooo.... I tried the right side (starboard), and it was a lot better. The pilot told me I was doing good... either that, or he was trying to make me feel good.

Regardless, I was in pure euphoria. "How about a loop?" You are kidding... So after I went to the heading the pilot indicated, I went down to about 10,000 feet, then I put full throttle, pulled the stick all the way back and felt the G-force building up.... man! what a rush. The pilot guided me throught the motions. "You are doing good." I breath correctly and keep looking at the HUD and to the sides... boy... that must have been the uglyest loop ever, I was too excited, so there was some rolling going on... but the pilot never took control from me... I guess I was not screwing up to bad.

Suddenly... I am upside down, looking into the world... I am ready to come back. I am still pulling back on the stick and I dive straight down... mind you in a jet fighter... I don't think that is such a great idea to go down at full throttle. The pilot tells me what to do... next thing I am pulling high G's again to get back to where I was around 10,000 feet. I see mountain tops and clouds... man... what a day...

Because I am not a rated pilot, I can go only so high, so we get close to my ceiling and we do something similar to a split-s... that is turn upside down and loop back the other way, except we go in the same direction. The pilot tells me I am doing allright... so it is time for some combat training... hmm what?

We found a bogey, and he had me track it down... then we simulate "shooting it". Then we find a ground target, and we "blow it up". Of course, all simulated- we don't have real ammo.

At this the pilot is just telling me the waypoints and I am flying the F-16, but I am getting a bit more cocky... I am pulling G's at every turn just for the fun of it because I have a handle on it. I repeat all acrobatic maneuvers for fun, and even do another loop... much better this time.

Here are some more pics:

http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0002.JPG
http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0003.JPG
http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0004.JPG
http://www.uberdemon.com/pictures/udf0005.JPG

The pilot says that we need to land. "Sir, I release control". "Demian, I got it." We go back to the base for a "butter" landing... a really good landing. The pilot taxis it to the starting point. He states there were no casualties... that means I did not puke. The crew chief is happy; no cleaning. He told me we pulled 6G's max in the flight, which is fine by me.

We went back to the fighter-pilot bar and got two large beer mugs filled with ******ss. We went to analyse the flight tapes. He showed me the maneuvers that we did. We talked for a while but it was not until I said something to the effect that the flight went very fast that the pilot said: "Of course it did... you did all the work, I just messed around with the other systems..." Not true of course... the pilot did the two most dangerous parts of flying, which are take-off and landing. He told me the mission was over an hour.

I flew an F-16 for about an hour. I did not realize that until he told me that. After watching the tape I got to see all my maneuers from the 12 o'clock perspective...

Kind of like the Il-2 tracks, right?

Not sure how many average "Joes" have gotten a chance to touch, must less fly something like the F-16, but alas I did yesterday. Very surreal if you ask me.

When I looked down into the landscape, I felt a lot like when I fly my missions in the Normandy maps. IL-2 is really an outstanding flight simulator, and I know that comparing it to a jet is not optimal, but heck, I felt some of the same things up there as I feel with IL-2... the main differences are that I was going really fast, and that I felt the physical repercussions of G-forces.

I am still in a state of awe... I got to actually fly an F-16. From what little I know, I can predict that the F-16 will be around for some years to come. What a delightfull plane it is to fly... anyway. Time for a few drinks.

Demon/UberDemon

sunflower1
10-02-2004, 04:02 PM
Amen, brother.

TX-EcoDragon
10-02-2004, 04:10 PM
Wow!! Now that is pretty awesome!

1.JaVA_Hornet
10-02-2004, 04:12 PM
Great story.

I have flown an antonow 38 behind the
pilot above the surinam woods.
I have the same conclusion that
il2fb/aep has been made very well.
That landscape from above.

carguy_
10-02-2004, 04:25 PM
Cool.

Chuck_Older
10-02-2004, 04:27 PM
This is easily the best post I have ever read here

No601_prangster
10-02-2004, 04:35 PM
Were all so jealous! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

MEGILE
10-02-2004, 04:37 PM
ROCK ON! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Call_me_Kanno
10-02-2004, 04:46 PM
Good for you UberDemon. It's a good feeling knowing you got to do this.

Mashie_Nibblick
10-02-2004, 05:06 PM
Good lord, man! We're all VERY jealous!

Bearcat99
10-02-2004, 05:06 PM
That is just topo frickin cool man!!!! Ya know I read this thread in SimHQ.. but i had to read it again..LMAO.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

F19_Orheim
10-02-2004, 05:16 PM
excellenthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I quite envy you... how did you come to fly it?

WUAF_Badsight
10-02-2004, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by No601_prangster:
Were all so jealous! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

i mean is that so cool or what !

F19_Ob
10-02-2004, 05:21 PM
Great story http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif I think I need a drink too...thanks.

TC_Stele
10-02-2004, 05:35 PM
An awesome and rare experience, UberDemon. Great work! How'd you get the chance to jump in the F-16?

jensenpark
10-02-2004, 05:38 PM
Great story and pictures!

Too cool.

I'm glad someone who has contributed so much had a chance to experience this...

How'd you come by this flight? I mean, it can't be the easiest thing to arrange...

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-02-2004, 06:30 PM
Very good read and yes you are up there on the envy list now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good bit of reporting though and definatley got the feel of your own excitement reading it.

thanks for sharing.

adlabs6
10-02-2004, 07:32 PM
Heheh! Thanks for posting that, I grinned all the way through the post. Congrats on getting a shot at that experience.

GT182
10-02-2004, 07:36 PM
Envy, jealous? You bet!

Great to see ya had a flight in an F16 and got to fly it too UberDemon, you lucky devil you.

Lets see, in 2 weeks I'll have a chance to fly right seat a KingAir. Does that count? LOL

T_O_A_D
10-02-2004, 07:44 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif How pray tell did you manage a chance to do that?

I am realy green with envy on this one!!!!!!!!!!!

I would love to see your flight made to a download! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Snyde-Dastardly
10-02-2004, 08:06 PM
A chance of a lifetime and something you will never forget. Thanks for shareing it with us.

pterodactyl77
10-02-2004, 08:26 PM
very cool post and thxs for the neat pictures...
must ask though--how in the world did you get our tax dollars to cover this?

wayno7777
10-02-2004, 09:47 PM
AWWWWWWWWWWWW Man, WAAAYYYYYY TOOOOO COOOOOL!!!!!!! Way to go, Demon! The F-16! Wow! Saw two of them yesterday along with AF1. Pres. Bush was in Allentown. Anyway, cool as all get out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

owlwatcher
10-02-2004, 10:15 PM
Taken a spin in a F-16.
Must have been a trip

PriK
10-02-2004, 10:30 PM
Uber, you're a rock star man.

You know, considering the hours of fun I've had with your UQMB I can't think of a more deserving person to have an experience like that. Incredible!

And yes, I'm jealous as hell. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lil_labbit
10-02-2004, 10:34 PM
We now lost our ├┼ôberdemon ...
He will go for a Sukhoi low-flight next in Russia (maybe) - man and do I envy you - like all here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif we're all <span class="ev_code_GREEN">GREEN</span> with envy!

And no-one deserves it more http://members.home.nl/lil.labbit/smiley/cooolll.gif ...
well maybe Oleg... but then... ya told your name!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

YAY thanks for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p.s. How much did those glasses weigh at that 6G - and did ya even notice - I bet you didn't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2004, 11:09 PM
Incredible opportunity and the chance of a lifetime. We're all incredibly jealous!!

However, you cannot in any way equate a modern, fly-by-wire, computer assisted flight experience to stick and rudder taildraggers. Er, except maybe for the puking part.

BSS_Goat
10-02-2004, 11:35 PM
I'm green!

UberDemon
10-03-2004, 03:11 AM
To everyone, thank you, in special the UQMG users.

1.JaVA_Hornet,

No joke? I flew to Surinam with my father in a Sirkosky helicopter a long time ago, in the '70s sometime. We flew from the northern tip of the Amazon forrest in Brazil.

F19_Orheim, TC_Stele, jensenpark,

As I explained at SimHQ, someone thought I deserved it. I am glad because this will easily be one of the more memorable things I have done.

T_O_A_D,

Download the flight? That is a hard one. I am looking for an 8mm tape converter so I can transfer it to VHS... kinda boring though. You see the 12 o'clock view and hear the pilot and I talking... plus you hear me grunting at the G-turns... wait a minute, no way! You get then to see my lousy flying and get to laugh at me! No way! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

pterodactyl77,

The tax dollars? Actually that is an easy question to answer, from what I understand. To keep their current flying rating, the pilots must complete so many hours/sorties, and this counts. The pilot I flew with is a very experienced pilot. The takoff and landing parts I am sure he could do it with his eyes closed. The F-16D two seater does not have all controls in the back seat, so the pilot can take over any time he/she feels there is a danger. So believe it or not, I was not just going nuts with this expensive piece of machinery, it was all done in a controlled manner and I followed the pilot's instructions to the letter. The fighter pilots may act like hot shots, but when they are up there there is a lot of concentration going on... I just got to experience the surface of it. The pilot felt I had a handle on it, so he let me fly it once we were airborne. Also, they do have incentive ride programs that are figured in the sorties... they are just hard to come by - so I do feel very fortunate! I am sure you have heard of other people who had done the same thing. A fellow at SimHQ got to fly in an F/A-18 Hornet. How cool is that, and he also got to fly it like I did. Also, the only difference between the F-16C and D models in performance is that when you add the second seat, you lose fuel capacity... so as you can see in the picture, we had two huge drop tanks, so flying it for a pilot is a sortie. The Israelis use the two seater F-16s in combat.

lil_labbit

The glasses? Actually those did not make a difference. What really made a difference was the sun visor. It was sunny up there. Oh yeah, being the IL-2 geek I am I tried making the same head motions as I do in flight just to see how it felt... I am glad to say IL-2 is pretty freaking on target. Looking at the sun is blinding as well. The G-Forces do make you start feeling like blacking out. I did not see red in negative G-s, but I felt like **** in a hurry. Not that I did negative G-s, but in a plane that fast just feveling of from a climb just pushing the stick straight to the front causes you to feel neg G-s... It is almost better to flip upside down, then level, then flip back up. It is not like they have negative G-suits for your head and neck... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stiglr,

You are right. Fly-by-wire is not like prop planes at all. I got to get a feel for that years ago with my father. What I found out though is that the feeling in the cockpit is really well modelled in IL-2, the outside views as well. That was interesting. Even though you are not doing the physical work, your arm gets quite tired flying, so I guess you need to drink lots of beer to get it conditioned. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tonywizzz
10-03-2004, 05:00 AM
Awesome M8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Richly deserved S!

-HH- Beebop
10-03-2004, 09:30 AM
UberDemon;

Wow! How cool. I've only had a few hours of 'civvie' stick time so I have a very toned down experience of what you did.
Your description of the flight made me feel tlike I was actually there.

Thank you for sharing this amazing experience and thanks for UQMG.

S!

TheGozr
10-03-2004, 11:55 AM
Great and fantastic.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



(My previous post yesterday on this thread vanished!)

jensenpark
10-03-2004, 11:56 AM
Did the pilot know your callsign "Uber Demon"?

Wonder if he would have turned over the controls... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

UberDemon
10-03-2004, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
Great and fantastic.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



(My previous post yesterday on this thread vanished!) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe not... didn't you reply at Oleg's forum?

UberDemon
10-03-2004, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jensenpark:
Did the pilot know your callsign "Uber Demon"?

Wonder if he would have turned over the controls... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah right? Actually Demon was the nickname my buddies in college gave me... it annoyed the heck out of me... but my friends, being the sensitive guys they were... called me that even more when they found out it got to me... so I gave up and went with it. When I tried signing into EZ boards, there was someone else with the username Demon... so I used UberDemon, knowing fully that it is a lame user name... but what did I care? So Demon, UberDemon, whatever, it is just what I go by for "brand" recognition, I guess... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Heavy_Weather
10-03-2004, 01:02 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

TX-EcoDragon
10-03-2004, 01:06 PM
Regarding the question about the funding, and knowing nothing about the particulars here, generally PR rides for media, celebs, raffle ticket winners, or the like are factored into the budget and seen as a beneficial component of recruitment and public relations by many of the armed forces. For example it is not uncommon to see a two seat variant of the F-18 or F-16 of the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds giving flights to certain members of local media, or celebrities.

These flights are also usually done for a flight that would be done anyway, so there is very little extra cost associated with the passsenger, even if they do get stick time. During the time that the passenger gets stick time the Pilot is still the pilot in command of that flight and will log it just the same, so for pilot currency/recency of experience this counts, so in a way, these flights actually may save tax payers money in the end.

UberDemon
10-03-2004, 01:16 PM
TX-EcoDragon

Much more well put than my explanation. BTW, I am assuming you are from Texas?

steve_v
10-03-2004, 01:52 PM
Great post and excellent read.

Jagdgeschwader2
10-03-2004, 05:18 PM
Wow! An experience of a lifetime.
Just think about the guys that do
this for a living. Thanks for
sharing.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s.jpg

Fliegeroffizier
10-04-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UberDemon:
....The pilot taxis it to the starting point. He states there were no casualties... that means I did not puke. The crew chief is happy; no cleaning.. ..Demon/UberDemon <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good for you...no chunky sickness.

However, methinks that unless you were considered a Really TopNotch VIP, such as a senator or corporate CEO, very likely you would have been asked/requested/directed to lend a hand in any cockpit cleanup operation. It's sorta part of the price of admission sometimes...in my experience...At least that was always the pre-mission "threat"/"warning" for my few 'orientation' flights over the years: T33(trainer version of P80), F-101 Voodoo, F4, and F-16... I always came back just a little green in the gills, but luckily no chunkies for me either.

SlickStick
10-04-2004, 12:58 PM
Wow! Looks as if that was great fun!!!

And to think, I'd be happy just being able to tool around in a Spitfire Mk IX for awhile. An F-16 ride experience is almost unfathomable for me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

With my Dad being a private pilot, we spent many hours flying the eastern seaboard. Mostly Cessnas, Cherokees and Bonanzas.

My dad "unofficially" trained me on instruments at the age of ten (I forgot much, but IL2 reminded me much). I have done a fair amount of maneuvers and controlling in the right seat, but obviously no landings and take-offs.

When I was ten, I also couldn't see over the instrument panel and used to look out the side windows for my wing tips in relation to the horizon when "in control".

Great story, thanks UberDemon!

TX-EcoDragon
10-04-2004, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UberDemon:
TX-EcoDragon

Much more well put than my explanation. BTW, I am assuming you are from Texas? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I live in California. . . but my IL-2:FB squad is based in Texas, though it is open to interstate and international exchange of which I am an example of ;-)

Red_Russian13
10-04-2004, 05:48 PM
Outstanding! Awesome post and a great read. Post tracks! Just kidding, man.

Thanks for sharing your story with us. This is one of the best reads I've had here.

e5kimo
10-04-2004, 05:51 PM
who cares about the tax dollars? for once they were put to good use it seems http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

good on ya uberdemon, i envy you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Resident_Jock
10-04-2004, 07:05 PM
What an incredible experience. And I thought I was the $hit when I got to take the controls of a Schweizer sailplane, lol.

TX-EcoDragon
10-04-2004, 09:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by e5kimo:
who cares about the tax dollars? for once they were put to good use it seemshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree!

(Here is a bump, and a way to get my post count away from 666, which seems to offend my girlfriend)

lil_labbit
10-04-2004, 10:55 PM
lol eco - I just passed WW1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
and yeah a well deserved bumpediebump...