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MEGILE
10-02-2005, 10:58 AM
My friend says that Iceman was better than Maverick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif I don't think so... what do you think?

Chuck_Older
10-02-2005, 11:18 AM
I think you guys need to stop watching crummy '80s films, that's wht I think. It was a stinkeroo the day it hit the theatres; I should know, I snuck in to see it

Twenty years has not done the film any favors. Awful movie. Awful. No derogatory adjectives can possibly convey what a steaming pile of horse manure Top Gun was and still is. Iceman and Mav should have kissed and had done with it. Oh Jesus does that movie blow. I'd say that Maverick had a better wardrobe and that Iceman had better hair. Does that help?

Deedsundone
10-02-2005, 11:27 AM
Nah,the kid in Iron Eagle is better.Taking on the whole eastern "whatevercountrys" airforce by himself.

danjama
10-02-2005, 01:45 PM
I liked Top Gun. I wanna say Iceman but he's so **** ugly.

Jaws2002
10-02-2005, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
My friend says that Iceman was better than Maverick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif I don't think so... what do you think?

If Mav would come to Warclouds he would fly a Spit in circles on the deck. Be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Coonskin
10-02-2005, 01:54 PM
Hey Deedsundone:

What game/sim did that WW1 sig screen come from?

stathem
10-02-2005, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
My friend says that Iceman was better than Maverick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif I don't think so... what do you think?

If Mav would come to Warclouds he would fly a Spit in circles on the deck. Be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

whf.

109, be sure.

"I'lll hit the brakes, he'll fly right by."

OK poss. P-38 then.

MEGILE
10-02-2005, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by stathem:

109, be sure.

"I'lll hit the brakes, he'll fly right by."


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CUJO_1970
10-02-2005, 02:27 PM
For pure flying skill, Maverick was better.(Hello - he was in a negative-G pushover with a Mig!)

Remember, he got Jester too - even if it was below the bogus hard deck.

He also gave Viper a good run until Viper dragged and bagged his azz.

Iceman was the better tactical flyer, but couldn't pull off that deflection shot and wouldn't disengage until it was too late.

Personally, I blame Iceman for Goose's death almost as much as I blame the jetwash.

My vote goes to Maverick.

Retrofish
10-02-2005, 03:00 PM
I thought that Maverick was very naughty remember he always buzzed the control tower a good pilot is diciplined he should have been grounded for that but then there woould have been no movie and I would not have the haircut that I have today S!

MEGILE
10-02-2005, 03:04 PM
So what are we saying?
Iceman new best?

Dolemite-
10-02-2005, 03:26 PM
Cougar was the best, he just turned in his wings because he had a wife and kids.


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ForkTailedDevil
10-02-2005, 03:29 PM
I remember seeing that as a kid trying to figure out what a Mig28 was. Oh well I was pretty dissapointed when I found it what it really was.

Bremspropeller
10-02-2005, 03:29 PM
Topper Harley is teh best http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Archangel2980
10-02-2005, 03:31 PM
If you like to watch sweaty guys playing vollyball and hanging out in the shower room...This is the movie for you.

waffen-79
10-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Iceman all the way man.

Remember the final part of the movie?

Iceman held an entire flight of migs all by himself till ***** Mav decided to stop by and help

96th_Nightshifter
10-02-2005, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
Iceman all the way man.

Remember the final part of the movie?

Iceman held an entire flight of migs all by himself till ***** Mav decided to stop by and help

I blame that part of the movie for the tactics we see in online servers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But Maverick was the best - soon to be re-incarnated in the move "The Few". Well it won't be Maverick but will be the same character.......with a different name and a 1940's wardrobe. There is no way I will be able to watch "The Few" without sitting there waiting for him to say "Talk to me Goose" whilst on the tail of a 109.
Oh yes be sure, the Battle of Britain will be made to look like it was won by Maverick.

MEGILE
10-02-2005, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by 96th_Nightshifter:
There is no way I will be able to watch "The Few" without sitting there waiting for him to say "Talk to me Goose" whilst on the tail of a 109.


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Hastatus
10-02-2005, 06:53 PM
Somebody making a BoB movie?

I hope Jerry Bruckheimer has nothing to do with it....

woofiedog
10-02-2005, 07:41 PM
Iceman... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

VW-IceFire
10-02-2005, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Topper Harley is teh best http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Thank you sir! Well played!

Enforcer572005
10-02-2005, 08:28 PM
i know it was kinda dumb, but i loved the flying scenes and the dogfight at the end. the photography was great, the acting lousy, but after over a decade of anti-military, US bashing movies I was glad to see it.....would hve been better if I had written it though.

I was incredulous at the canopy breaking head incident, but i discovered that was actually a problem wiht F-14s.....the canopy wouldnt clear after jettisioned sometimes.

I thought the final countdown was better....those tomcats taking out those zekes was so well done.

darkhorizon11
10-02-2005, 08:42 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=five_****ty_movies

I do like top gun but its a bit overdone. Especially since I fly myself. That article pretty much sums it up.

han freak solo
10-02-2005, 09:11 PM
Goose beat 'em all. His woman said, "Take me to bed or lose me forever."

Yeah. Exactly.

Waldo.Pepper
10-02-2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I think you guys need to stop watching crummy '80s films, that's wht I think. It was a stinkeroo the day it hit the theatres; I should know, I snuck in to see it

Twenty years has not done the film any favors. Awful movie. Awful. No derogatory adjectives can possibly convey what a steaming pile of horse manure Top Gun was and still is. Iceman and Mav should have kissed and had done with it. Oh Jesus does that movie blow. I'd say that Maverick had a better wardrobe and that Iceman had better hair. Does that help?

I agree with every single word of this.

Zjoek
10-03-2005, 01:24 AM
Ah shut up! All of you! Your egos are writing checks your bodies can't cash! The captain iz da bezt!

XD

AWL_Spinner
10-03-2005, 03:26 AM
Top Gun is a fantastic film for the aviation buff purely for it's main strength - the aerial photography.

I fear we'll never see it's like again with the current over-reliance on whizz-bang CGI which is a lot cheaper, less dangerous and still looks like a pile of cack in comparison. Too shiny, awful physics, etc.

I wish the upcoming Battle of Britain film would utilise the growing crop of air-worthy warbirds and some decent aerial camera work but I fear it'll just be another CGI cheese fest.

Real planes and real cameras rule http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GR142-Pipper
10-03-2005, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
My friend says that Iceman was better than Maverick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif I don't think so... what do you think? I don't know about better but Iceman certainly must have been smarter. He was smart enough NOT to wind up with Kelly McGillis (what a bow wow).

GR142-Pipper

MEGILE
10-03-2005, 04:09 AM
You have to admit.. Iceman had great hair.

HotelBushranger
10-03-2005, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
Top Gun is a fantastic film for the aviation buff purely for it's main strength - the aerial photography.

I fear we'll never see it's like again with the current over-reliance on whizz-bang CGI which is a lot cheaper, less dangerous and still looks like a pile of cack in comparison. Too shiny, awful physics, etc.

I wish the upcoming Battle of Britain film would utilise the growing crop of air-worthy warbirds and some decent aerial camera work but I fear it'll just be another CGI cheese fest.

Real planes and real cameras rule http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Amen to that! I just watched the original Battle of Britian and also the making of. Those guys were brillaint! They managed to get hold of about 60 He-111s and 50 Buchons, as well as half a dozen Hurricanes and maybe a dozen Spitfires. That's what made the movie so great- its authenticity. Go pre-2000 movies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Enforcer572005
10-03-2005, 05:32 AM
bushranger.....where did you find something about the making of BoB? i just got a vhs copy, but it wasnt on there.


Kelly mcgillis is a bow bow???? I must have bad taste, or lousy eyesight. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

dadada1
10-03-2005, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I think you guys need to stop watching crummy '80s films, that's wht I think. It was a stinkeroo the day it hit the theatres; I should know, I snuck in to see it

Twenty years has not done the film any favors. Awful movie. Awful. No derogatory adjectives can possibly convey what a steaming pile of horse manure Top Gun was and still is. Iceman and Mav should have kissed and had done with it. Oh Jesus does that movie blow. I'd say that Maverick had a better wardrobe and that Iceman had better hair. Does that help?

Absolutely agree, cast and crew should all be tried for war crimes.

Feathered_IV
10-03-2005, 05:54 AM
For pure flying skill, Maverick was better.(Hello - he was in a negative-G pushover with a Mig!)

Remember, he got Jester too - even if it was below the bogus hard deck.

He also gave Viper a good run until Viper dragged and bagged his azz.

Iceman was the better tactical flyer, but couldn't pull off that deflection shot and wouldn't disengage until it was too late.

Personally, I blame Iceman for Goose's death almost as much as I blame the jetwash.

My vote goes to Maverick.

Regards,
FW190fan


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif A lot of thought went into that. Scary, real scary http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif.


Enforcer572005, do you mean the old BoB movie? If you get the DVD it has a whole extra disk of the making of stuff. There was a paperback book published about it too. I picked up a copy about 10 years ago for 15 cents at a flea market. It has some interesting bits about the huge fight the producers had with Adolph Galland when he was commissioned as a historical advisor. They still can be found from time to time. Reccomended if you can get one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

HotelBushranger
10-03-2005, 07:49 AM
Yup, I got the DVD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif With the making on it

And yes, there was a falling out with the director Guy Hamilton and Adolf Galland over a certain scene: When Goering leaves for the last time saying 'you have betrayed me' blah blah, a Luftwaffe officer (Milch I think it is?) salutes him Nazi style. Well Galland didn't want anything to do with it because in his eyes there were never any Nazis in the Luftwaffe. After that argument, the two men never talked.

I thoroughly recommend getting it, its pretty cheap these days, because of its age etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tully__
10-03-2005, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by 96th_Nightshifter:
...

Nightshifter, that avatar needs an edit. Check the "Official Sig Test Thread" for file size limits applying to sig and avatar images.

Bremspropeller
10-03-2005, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Topper Harley is teh best http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Thank you sir! Well played! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Seems like Ice-Fire preferred Fish-Eye http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif


To be serious: Maverick was too boyish to me. I'd bet my money on Iceman http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

MEGILE
10-03-2005, 09:00 AM
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1857/topgun0078mk.jpg

best scene in the movie... it gets emotional in there.

sgilewicz
10-03-2005, 09:31 AM
Iceman stunk! He should never have gotten into the mess he did with AIM54 Phoenixes on board! Those Migs should have been toast 30-50 miles out! Mav saved his *ss http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stathem
10-03-2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1857/topgun0078mk.jpg

best scene in the movie... it gets emotional in there.

Was that shortly before The Iceman Cometh?

Enforcer572005
10-03-2005, 09:19 PM
guess i better find the dvd.....i got the vhs tape pretty cheap on ebay, so ill look there pretty soon. the dvd has some edits i dindt want to fool wth, and the german has been retranslated wiht considerable error, according to one article in an aviation magazine i read. i want it for the making feature.

i had no idea that a book had been made on it. i once had an early 70s air classics magazine that was all about it (before the current editor got it). it was full of info, had pics of the half scale rc stukas, also the actual aces around the planes etc.

Fish6891
10-03-2005, 10:14 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/AUFBAU86/Shined.jpg

Feathered_IV
10-03-2005, 10:32 PM
The book reproduces a letter Galand wrote to the producers saying (from memory) - Let me see gentlemen, you'll have lots of sensitive,dashing RAF chaps shooting down evil Nazis.... and as the credits roll, show real life footage of aerial battles to say "Here, you've just enjoyed 2 hours of action and adventure but it really was war etc etc. Kitsch as kitsch can be...."

The producers were stunned. That was exactly what they intended to do. After an emergency meeting they decided to rewrite it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

Slater_51st
10-04-2005, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
Top Gun is a fantastic film for the aviation buff purely for it's main strength - the aerial photography.

I fear we'll never see it's like again with the current over-reliance on whizz-bang CGI which is a lot cheaper, less dangerous and still looks like a pile of cack in comparison. Too shiny, awful physics, etc.

I wish the upcoming Battle of Britain film would utilise the growing crop of air-worthy warbirds and some decent aerial camera work but I fear it'll just be another CGI cheese fest.

Real planes and real cameras rule http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

While many movies these days are total "CGI cheese fests", I'd rather have a bunch of those than loose any planes in the filming of a movie, especially since most of these movies will be very subpar.

If CGI is good enough now to make convincing aerial scenes, go for it! Midway, Tora Tora Tora, and Battle of Britain were great movies, great footage, but there's only a limited number of WW2 birds about. In my opinion, the film industry don't be making movies of their quality for a LOONG time! It just seems like no one really cares about makin a good ol' fashioned WWII movie any more.

Just my .02

Mav's dad was best in Top Gun....

S! Slate

p-11.cAce
10-07-2005, 06:26 PM
Iceman could have kicked Mavs *** any day of the week....
There is a new WWI movie in production for which Aerodrome Aeroplanes just built 4 full scale Neuports for...sorry can't remember the title. The director made a point of using as many real a/c as possible and not having a cgi megafest (Pearl Harbor???!!!). I wish Oleg would come out with a WWI sim - I'd love to have the chance to fly over Verdun in my DR.1!

Daiichidoku
10-07-2005, 11:21 PM
im glad to say i have never seen top gun in its entirety...

all i remember is tom cruise on a motorbike racing a tomcat, and some aerial shots of tomcats and"migs" (were they F-5? i cant [thankfully] quite remember)

heck, i even avioded the "top gun" pinball game way back when...

such indulgent tripe....no wait, i retract that...thats complimentary to this (for lack of a better term) film


anyone who has ever watched this film the whole way though will still (obviously, this thread is here) have the lingering effects of it, much like returning herpes sores

quickly run to your nearest video store, and secure copies of 1952's "the sound barrier" directed by david lean...watch, then repeat until symptoms go away

for more rapid relief, also secure 54s"the dam busters", and 56's "reach for the sky"


do NOT settle for cheap placebos such as "midway", "tora tora tora", and steer clear of comtaminated, noxious "iron eagles", pts I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, VIIII, X and beyond

for milder irritations such as "battle of britain", use topicals, such as "catch 22", or even "bridges of toko-ri"...but for the former, please do be aware that there IS a love interest, use with caution and a ready finger on FF

much research is being conducted to combatting newer, more virulent types such as "pearl harbour", and may take some time to eliminate this disease...rumours also abound of a new, mutated strain of "battle of britain", that seems to have the worst element of "top gun" catalyzed within...

ACHTUNG!

ACTHUNG!

carguy_
10-08-2005, 07:52 AM
I loved the movie,yes I did.I was like 10 back then when I first watched it.Fantastic although I never wanted for the love story to be there.

Top Gun is the essence of all I love in Hollywood movies.It really makes you hold to the edge of your seat.IMO if you want to learn something,take something from what you watch its better to read a good book.No movie will beat a good book.
But for emotions,action,yeah,Top Gun was teh best roxorz man!

IMO Iceman was de facto better than Maverick.He didn`t have cold blood though.Maverick was just a kid,never realy knew he was flying a multimiliondollar jet.I think that Maverick would have made maybe 2 more of those tricks in combat in his flight history and simply get killed.Yeah,Iceman was a pu$$y I know.He was a better pilot though.

cmw1980
10-08-2005, 09:32 AM
I think Iceman is a pu$$y and Maverick is too short to reach the rudder pedals!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Stanger_361st
10-08-2005, 10:49 AM
Wife and daughter says Iceman is definatly better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

F0_Dark_P
10-08-2005, 11:12 AM
GOOSE!!!

Retrofish
10-08-2005, 11:17 AM
My first 'flight sim': http://www.cpczone.net/index.php?game=1610 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.cpczone.net/phpThumb.php?src=media/screens/t/top-gun-3.png&w=178

http://www.cpczone.net/phpThumb.php?src=media/screens/t/top-gun-4.png&w=178


On an Amstrad CPC 464...with a tapedrive.

fordfan25
10-08-2005, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
For pure flying skill, Maverick was better.(Hello - he was in a negative-G pushover with a Mig!)

Remember, he got Jester too - even if it was below the bogus hard deck.

He also gave Viper a good run until Viper dragged and bagged his azz.

Iceman was the better tactical flyer, but couldn't pull off that deflection shot and wouldn't disengage until it was too late.

Personally, I blame Iceman for Goose's death almost as much as I blame the jetwash.

My vote goes to Maverick.

agreed. how ever goose did not realy die. he hit refly just befor he baild out. and besides ICEMAN is well known for being a printscreen taper. of course mav use's the prop pitch cheat so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Jagdklinger
10-08-2005, 03:15 PM
If you like to watch sweaty guys playing vollyball and hanging out in the shower room...This is the movie for you.

So I wasn't the only one who detected extreme gayness in this movie?

vanjast
10-08-2005, 04:42 PM
Ahhh Garbage... I saw the movie 3x and found it all amelican ploppaganda.

About this time the Mig29(or so) was around WITH vector thrust missiles and other bits and pieces, which I may add, the amelicans had zero of.

All that Bravado would have ended up in pieces of metal spread over some wasteland...
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Call_me_Kanno
10-08-2005, 06:03 PM
If either one of those hot shots could taxi and take off in a straight line in the He-111 then I'd be impressed.

han freak solo
10-09-2005, 09:49 AM
Fine. When Top Gun came out I was 20 or 21 and in flight school. It was a "MUST SEE". We loved the action.

Being a motorcyclist, my actual favorite part was the 900 Ninja Maverick rode. Only because it was more probable that I would ride one of those compared to piloting an F-14.

Overall, Top Gun was a good date flick for someone in their 20's back then. It had F-14s for the guys and Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, etc. for the girls. Women still love that Berlin song that got popular from that movie.

It's still much better than any Iron Eagle cr@p that came out in the same era. "Chappy! I can't fly without my Sony Walkman playin'!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

mynameisroland
10-10-2005, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by 96th_Nightshifter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by waffen-79:
Iceman all the way man.

Remember the final part of the movie?

Iceman held an entire flight of migs all by himself till ***** Mav decided to stop by and help

Hi Shifter ! ~S~

A good way to look at Maverick and Iceman would be to compare yourself to them. Id say I was more of an Iceman type than a Maverick. Maverick is the guy who isnt going to rtb as he will overcommit and get himself shotdown.

Also it was Mavericks fault that Goose died as he was to eager to score kill, he should have let Iceman do his job instead of asking him to move over.

Infact I see a pattern emerging ... Maverick is a die hard turn and burner, he tries to steal kills, he risks mid ir collisions with his own team mates all too often. This guy sounds like a lot of the fliers on our server lol

Id rather we had Russell Crowe acting as Salor Malan than Tom Cruise acting Tom Cruise and regaling how those US built Spitfires won BoB.

cheers

Boemher