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texhill88
07-29-2006, 06:54 PM
http://d94132.u23.simplenet.com/images/Me%20109G%20Stunt%2055ws/ME%20109!.jpg

I love everything about this plane.
Send some screenshots of your favorite 109 setting

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texhill88
07-29-2006, 06:54 PM
http://d94132.u23.simplenet.com/images/Me%20109G%20Stunt%2055ws/ME%20109!.jpg

I love everything about this plane.
Send some screenshots of your favorite 109 setting

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

HuninMunin
07-29-2006, 07:07 PM
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4652/dawnovereuropesmallon0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ElAurens
07-29-2006, 08:21 PM
I like the way it defeats the laws of physics when it decellerates like an automobile.

Brain32
07-29-2006, 08:36 PM
Well if we talk about in game ME109 then I don't like anything except the looks, and the climb is nice...

diomedes33
07-29-2006, 09:23 PM
HuninMunin that's a beautiful pic, is there a highres version of that somewhere?

Here's an engineery 109 background I made a couple years ago. Its in my regular desktop rotation.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/diomedes33/109bg3.jpg

biggs222
07-29-2006, 09:33 PM
i like the way it fits ever so nicely into my reflector site. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

HuninMunin
07-29-2006, 09:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by diomedes33:
HuninMunin that's a beautiful pic, is there a highres version of that somewhere?

Here's an engineery 109 background I made a couple years ago. Its in my regular desktop rotation.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/diomedes33/109bg3.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you Specter, I made it for brewster pilots photoshop competition, wich never had any outcome. i might dig something up for you.
Do you have yahoo messenger or icq?

Divine-Wind
07-29-2006, 09:55 PM
I like it's climbing abilites. And it's oh-so-powerful guns. Even it's super-small cockpit with struts every 5 centimeters.

diomedes33
07-29-2006, 10:47 PM
HuninMunin,

I really like the contrast between the sunset and the dogfight. I like how the sky is washed out around the spitfire, like a halo showing the end is near. It speaks to me a very dramatic shot. You did good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Check your pm's

leitmotiv
07-29-2006, 11:10 PM
I like the way it refuses to stall, once you get the hang of it. I like the way it turns. I like the way it looks. Other than the above I can't stand the infernal thing.

heywooood
07-29-2006, 11:40 PM
I like the purty pitchers of the only flyable 109e-4 remaining in the world in the pages and on the cover of my new issue of Flight Journal mag.

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-29-2006, 11:48 PM
It flies like its on rails. Climbs like a champ, fast, and pwns Spits with ease. Whats not too like?

Oh! And it has that incredible engine brake thing going for it.

No wonder Hitler didnt have the FW pushed. It was clearly the inferior plane.

Deedsundone
07-30-2006, 12:36 AM
I like it a lot.....as a target http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c84/S-8/spitfirecloud.jpg

alert_1
07-30-2006, 02:14 AM
Climb, accelaeration, excellent handling "on the edge", good REVI for deflection shooting but out of its quite narrow envelope, it's , well not so good...

WOLFMondo
07-30-2006, 03:28 AM
I like the when they get an engine fire and then explode about 10 seconds later.

F6_Ace
07-30-2006, 04:05 AM
I like the way that it's elevator locks up at Vr

I also like the way you can't carry bomb loadouts on F models.

thefruitbat
07-30-2006, 04:18 AM
everything up to the g2, nothing afterwards.

I also particuly like landing with oil all over my windscreen. oh i also think the engine cowling on the emils looks really cool when its been damaged.

cheers fruitbat

Manu-6S
07-30-2006, 05:15 AM
MK108?

danjama
07-30-2006, 05:38 AM
Heres a couple of my own

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/danjama/109G2copy.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/danjama/stage6copy.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/danjama/DefendingTheFatherland.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/danjama/TurnandBurn.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/danjama/1092.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/danjama/BF109landing4croppedfinal.jpg

raaaid
07-30-2006, 06:35 AM
jesus i just dreamt of that picture of the 109 going for the spit

exactly the same angle and position, i shot it down

only it was mirrored

is that real or photoshop hunim munin?

HuninMunin
07-30-2006, 06:58 AM
Another one!
You make my day, guys (seriously).

Its just the game (Vpmedia skins), a plain blue sky
backdrob and some heavy color/contrast tweaking.
Btw can you see any props in the image? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

HuninMunin
07-30-2006, 07:01 AM
Especialy for you:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3899/dawnovereuropesmallfh8.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dawnovereuropesmallfh8.jpg)

HuninMunin
07-30-2006, 07:03 AM
I just found this one, I think I made it as a background for the game.....who cares-&gt;

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2171/gallandfz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

CUJO_1970
07-30-2006, 09:41 AM
I find it interesting that of the best killers of other fighters in WWII, the best of the best - from several different nations - all flew the 109.

While you had noob-friendly, easy to fly a/c like the Spitfire - and that's all well and good - the most elite flew the 109.

ElAurens
07-30-2006, 10:08 AM
CUJO, this has been discussed over and over again. Pretty easy to rack up stunning numbers when you are flying against n00b VVS flyers with mid thirties aircraft and no radios and less training. Also it helps when you are never rotated out and have flown combat missions for years. All the combatant nations in WW2 produced exceptional pilots. In fact I would argue that from 1937 to mid 1942 the best trained pilots on the planet were Japanese.

It's just the circumstances that allowed the very high "kill" numbers associated with Luftwaffe aces.

Be sure.

KG26_Alpha
07-30-2006, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's just the circumstances that allowed the very high "kill" numbers associated with Luftwaffe aces. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LMFAO
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FI.RULES
07-30-2006, 10:36 AM
Maby some people still belive in the "über-mench" theory?

MEGILE
07-30-2006, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:

It's just the circumstances that allowed the very high "kill" numbers associated with Luftwaffe aces.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's pretty amusing, although ultimately flawed and a misrepresentation of the truth.

However if it helps you to sleep at night.. enjoy.

wayno7777
07-30-2006, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
I like the purty pitchers of the only flyable 109e-4 remaining in the world in the pages and on the cover of my new issue of Flight Journal mag. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Takes alicking and keeps on ticking. Hee hee. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/FB%20shots/E-7_damaged_1.jpg
What Heywooood says....

BrewsterPilot
07-30-2006, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
I just found this one, I think I made it as a background for the game.....who cares-&gt;

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2171/gallandfz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMO that background looks familiar. . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

carguy_
07-30-2006, 12:24 PM
The BF/Me109 just suits my flying style perfectly.

The common feature I love about a fighter is its versatility.That is why I fly FW190A4/D9,P47,P51B,Ki61 and Tempest pretty often too.

Specialist planes are not for me.P51D,FW190A8,Zero force me to think every move through,then there`s just one mistake and the plane gets damaged beyond repair.

russ.nl
07-30-2006, 12:49 PM
It's a very capeble plane, with its own karakter. The enginering is very nice, smart and dum at the same time. This makes it very interesting. And ofcourse it is the sworn enemy, and counterpart of my beloved Spitfire. Yin Yang

HuninMunin
07-31-2006, 04:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
I just found this one, I think I made it as a background for the game.....who cares-&gt;

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2171/gallandfz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMO that background looks familiar. . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Xiolablu3
07-31-2006, 04:22 AM
109E in 1940 rocks
109F4 in 1941 rocks
109G2 in 1942 rocks

The rest I am not so keen on, 109G10/G14/K4 the heavy Mk108 in the nose means that they are too nose heavy.

109G6/G6 Late is so so, more of a 'workhorse' than a world beater.

109G6 A/S is good.

jermin122
07-31-2006, 05:23 AM
All 109s ' acceleration is slow than contemporary spitfires'. You even cannot escape from a spitfire with same E-state in a dive! And all 109s except F4 G2 G6-late K4C overheats quickly, so that in long time dogfight will put 109 in a huge disadvantage. And 109's spiral climb is ineffective to spitfire, which is very ridiculous. And all 109Gs have super big frames. But in many photos of 109 cockpits, no big frames can be seen. Finally, 109 has a pretty big dot.

RCAF_Irish_403
07-31-2006, 05:38 AM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/jds1978/cede9e30.jpg

Xiolablu3
07-31-2006, 05:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jermin122:
All 109s ' acceleration is slow than contemporary spitfires'. You even cannot escape from a spitfire with same E-state in a dive! And all 109s except F4 G2 G6-late K4C overheats quickly, so that in long time dogfight will put 109 in a huge disadvantage. And 109's spiral climb is ineffective to spitfire, which is very ridiculous. And all 109Gs have super big frames. But in many photos of 109 cockpits, no big frames can be seen. Finally, 109 has a pretty big dot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The chasing plane ALWAYS has the advantage, because he can cut the distance to the enemy plane.

WHat you just wrote is incorrect 'all contemporary Spitfires' I have no trouble at all diving away from a Spitfire V in a 109F4. In fact its simple. They simply cannot catch me without a big alt advantage.

So I am thinking you must just mean the Spitfire MkIX which I havent tested, but I know that the FW190A6/A8 can outdive it, but its close, probably too close.

But as I said, just becasue a Spitfire catches you in a fight, it doesnt mean he can dive as fast, it might mean he simply cut the distance, which is simple and natural to do when you are chasing a plane.

I suspect you could also easily catch a diving SPitfire in a contemporary 109. By using the same 'cutting the distance' tactic.

As for your 'spiral climb' not working -

Quote from Gunther Rall, talking about his Bf109 :

'You couldn't follow the Spitfire in a tight turn upwards. You couldn't follow it.'

PBNA-Boosher
07-31-2006, 06:13 AM
I love the accuracy of the guns. When I jump into a 109 my accuracy is just THAT much better, talking about a diff. of 20% vs. the usual wing gun planes I fly, although I do get comparable results from my Yak-1b and P-38.

WWMaxGunz
07-31-2006, 06:35 AM
IIRC Hartmann did not get his first victory till very end of 1942 and next was months later.
Hardly during the wipe-out of outmoded biplanes at the East Front. Or before then; Spain,
Poland, France and England. Still his total counts planes of all types. What he had was
talent, good eyes and tactics that covered from before entry clear to exit. He did not
sit behind a target and pepper it co-E. He came in oblique, turned, shot and exited behind
the target no matter the results of the shooting. An assassin, not a fencer.

OTOH whenever I miss the whine of the 109 engine I can just come here and look for the word
Spitfire in a post and the 109 whine is louder than ever in IL2.

FunGus1968
07-31-2006, 06:46 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/FunGus1968/IL-2/Screen06a.jpg

alert_1
07-31-2006, 07:02 AM
IMO, teh biggest problem all Me109s have IN THE GAME they cant use speed (accumulated energy for that matter) because of very "stiff" elevator/ailerons above 450 km/h IAS. While Spit can maneuver freely in range between 50-600km/h, Me109 is paralyzed, P51, P47, P38 can be ofter lured into slower energy fight but in the case of Spit with average pilot in cockpit - you can only pray for luck...

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-31-2006, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
CUJO, this has been discussed over and over again. Pretty easy to rack up stunning numbers when you are flying against n00b VVS flyers with mid thirties aircraft and no radios and less training. Also it helps when you are never rotated out and have flown combat missions for years. All the combatant nations in WW2 produced exceptional pilots. In fact I would argue that from 1937 to mid 1942 the best trained pilots on the planet were Japanese.

It's just the circumstances that allowed the very high "kill" numbers associated with Luftwaffe aces.

Be sure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


While you can't simply lay a blanket over all the circumstances, there is certainly some validity to El's post. It'even validated by most of the high-scoring combatants in books, memoirs and interviews.

The best of them were, no doubt, some of the greatest pilots to ever fly in combat, but you simply can't tell me that (now stay with me as I'm only speaking hypothetically) Hartmann, Marseille, Priller and Graf just to name a few would have drummed, spanked or handily beaten Gabreski, Preddy, Gentile and Whisner.

Tactics, circumstances, flying time, mission objectives etc,... all play such a big role.


Back to the original question, though, I like the climb-rate and nose-mounted armament, but more than that, I like the stigma.


TB

cawimmer430
07-31-2006, 07:52 AM
Everything, except for the piss poor range. On later '109s, I always add a drop tank and try to keep it on as long as possible.

http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/8162/bf109g6aspf1.jpg

carts
07-31-2006, 08:42 AM
Red 7 before the crash
http://premium1.uploadit.org/cartsuk//red-7.jpg
Aint she a beaut!

Abbuzze
07-31-2006, 02:06 PM
I like it, because it was one of the "first modern" planes with piston engine, and nearly all other of her counterparts were out of duty at the end of war. It scored the first kills when the later opponents weren´t even drawings. It flew combat missions in Spain when in Great Britain the Spitfire wasn´t even delivered to the squads.
And even with all the problems the last versions were still a threat to her enemies.



In my eyes this plane is something like an old Porsche 911 or an early Suzuki GSX-R 750, they have/had their shortcomings too.
In a 911 fear could kill you - The worst thing you could do (before the electronic facilities were bild in) was to lower throttle in a fast turn when the road was wet - The rear wheels would "stop" and lose traction, with a clear result. If you stay on throttle against your fear you will stay alive...

The 100HP Engine of the GSX-R was simply to strong for the frame in 1985, at top speed it was even hard to drive straigt...


This three are like beautifull women, you don´t like them despite their failures, but because of them!


The P51 is a nice and very good plane, but it is like a Honda Fireblade - to perfect, no real edges. Nice for a good date, but nothing to spend your life with. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


The biggest engine in the smallest/lightest airframe - That´s how a engineer would build a racecar or bike. Who needs a trim, just weight you don´t need, if you are well trained. And if you don´t, the plane will train you.


The 109 is like a Lotus racecar - it could make you a champion, but also kill you...

Warrington_Wolf
07-31-2006, 02:10 PM
I like the way it goes down like an italian footballer when its hit. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

HuninMunin
07-31-2006, 04:27 PM
I like the ashtray that Gallands one had http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

russ.nl
07-31-2006, 05:53 PM
Damn shame about that Red 7. They are restoring it to flying condition again right?

carguy_
07-31-2006, 06:40 PM
I feel the same about it Abuzze. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

911(`72Turbo) is also my favorite roadrace car of all time.

Rammjaeger
08-03-2006, 06:02 AM
The 4 things I like the most about the Bf-109 are good rate of climb, agility (attaining high speed at ease), great turning ability and the mean-looking streamlined engine cowling of later G and early K variants.

Apart from all that I doubt there is much else likable about it, its armament is kind of mediocre, albeit it was apparently more than sufficient for well-trained pilots, and of course its major shortcomings are short range and instability at low speed.