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goshikisen
04-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Threw together a couple comp images using some content updates from various sources. Thought I'd stick to Pacific subject matter.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf1.jpg
Shiden Kai of the 343rd Kokutai


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf2.jpg
Hawk chases Nate out to Sea

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf3.jpg
AVG encounter Sally

Hopefully all of these WIP Japanese Aircraft make it into PF as AI (or better) someday. I believe SaQSoN is working on the Sally and George and Luthier made the Nate.

Regards, Goshikisen.

EnGaurde
04-27-2005, 10:49 PM
Nate = O.N.N.A.P.S.J.A

Oh No Not Another Pea Shooting Japanese Aircraft.

yay for a few of those photos though.

goshikisen
04-27-2005, 11:06 PM
Speaking of the Shiden Kai... I read an interview with Saburo Sakai conducted by Scott Hards (ever heard of Hobby Link Japan? Scott is the owner) in which he states: "Take that idiot [Minoru] Genda. He could barely fly, but he jumped up and down about the Shiden-kai ["George"], so everybody else pretended to like it, too. That plane was a piece of ****, put together by a third-rate firm [Kawanishi]. "

Now I know the translation may be a bit coloquial but it's obvious that Sakai didn't think much of the Shiden-kai. Has history been overly kind to this Kawanishi plane? Was it an over-rated airplane? I'd always heard that it was one of the best aircraft the Japanese produced during WW2. If it was actually capable I wonder why Sakai was so scathing in his criticism of it.

Just wondering, Goshikisen.

Sharkey888
04-27-2005, 11:20 PM
Wow is that Sally legit??!! Didn't even know it was being made-now for just a few shipshttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 12:24 AM
The Sally is the work of a Russian modeller by the name of mongol... I believe SaQSoN knows more about it. It'd make a great aircraft for AVG scenarios as we don't currently have a bonafide IJAAF bomber. Will it see the light of day? That's a Maddox Games decision. Looks like we have a good number of important Pacific aircraft well along in development.

Made one more "comp" image... not PTO related. Mosquito by Prangster

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf4.jpg
Built for Speed

ImpStarDuece
04-28-2005, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by goshikisen:
Speaking of the Shiden Kai... I read an interview with Saburo Sakai conducted by Scott Hards (ever heard of Hobby Link Japan? Scott is the owner) in which he states: "Take that idiot [Minoru] Genda. He could barely fly, but he jumped up and down about the Shiden-kai ["George"], so everybody else pretended to like it, too. That plane was a piece of ****, put together by a third-rate firm [Kawanishi]. "

Now I know the translation may be a bit coloquial but it's obvious that Sakai didn't think much of the Shiden-kai. Has history been overly kind to this Kawanishi plane? Was it an over-rated airplane? I'd always heard that it was one of the best aircraft the Japanese produced during WW2. If it was actually capable I wonder why Sakai was so scathing in his criticism of it.

Just wondering, Goshikisen.

Actually Saburo was one tough mutha, not like your traditional picture of a Japanese pilot. He personally broke all kinds of endurance and strength records in the IJN pilot training course. If you have seen pictures of him he is built like a brick out house; short, stocky, all muscle.

Saubro is also from northern Kyushu and spent some of his time living in Kumamoto, a city famous for 'Kumamoto-ben'. Essentially, the residents of Kumamoto are fans of coming up with the rudest, roughtest slang they can think of and then using it in every inappropriate situation. This would probably appeal to a cocky pilot like Saubro.

I had a session down at an izakaya (Traditional Japanese pub/restaurant) a couple of nights ago and some Japanese mates and myself started swapping Aussie slang and Kumamoto-ben. Most of which would get me banned. Still, you haven't heard funny until you have heard a drunk Japanese man bellow that he is "hungry enough to eat the crotch off a low flying duck" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif!

SaQSoN
04-28-2005, 02:04 AM
N1K2-Ja - model and skin by me.
Ki-27 - model by Max Dmitriev and me, skin by me.
Ki-21 - model by Max Dmitriev and me, skin by Mongol.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

nakamura_kenji
04-28-2005, 02:58 AM
saqson you make interior N1K2-Ja as external beautiful ^_^?

Feathered_IV
04-28-2005, 03:05 AM
Interesting. In Samurai Sakai was full of praise for Genda. It almost reminded me of the Bader/Leigh Mallory relationship. The intervening years must have changed his views a bit.


"hungry enough to eat the crotch off a low flying duck"

My dads from Belfast and used to say: I'm so hungry I could bite the @rse off a donkey between two bread vans.

And SaQSoN, your work is incredible http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

HotelBushranger
04-28-2005, 03:12 AM
So is this confirming these planes are ingame?

nakamura_kenji
04-28-2005, 03:25 AM
no think goshikisen photoshop plane from 3d renders but very nice, make want see in game

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
So is this confirming these planes are ingame?

I wish that were the case but it's just conjecture on my part. We haven't had an official dev update in a while so I thought it'd be interesting to take a few WIP shots and drop them in the IL2 environment. Fun with Photoshop.

Thanks for the info SaQSoN... good to see you had a hand in all 3 models. I'm still fumbling along on that ship mesh.

The Sakai interview was given in the late 1990's just a short while before he died. It may be that he felt more free to express his honest opinion on matters. He has some interesting and somewhat controversial opinions (Atomic Bomb, Nanking) that come out in that interview... it's a good read.

Regards, Goshikisen.

CAPT_COTTON
04-28-2005, 08:32 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
Torpedos and big bombs would be easyer than new planes to put in game.The tough planes are baned on nearly all servers now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

VW-IceFire
04-28-2005, 08:50 AM
All three of thoes new planes are a surprise to me and infiniately useful. Not having a Japanese Army Bomber was really starting to annoy me...I was going to have to use the Betty for everything. But this can be useful!!!

And I really like the George...I think that'll be great. Good plane...should even the balance out in later war servers that are so heavily balanced towards the Allies at the moment (PTO theater only).

Tater-SW-
04-28-2005, 09:27 AM
If we ever see these, what a pleasent surprise!

Wow.

tater

Airmail109
04-28-2005, 09:35 AM
Someones got a leaked beta http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
All three of thoes new planes are a surprise to me and infiniately useful.

True... I think those 3 additions would really round out the Japanese end of aircraft and open up some early war and late war scenarios. I know what you mean about the lack of an IJAAF bomber. Some folks, I wouldn't doubt, would say use the Betty and pretend it's an army bomber... but then I'd never expect them to make believe a Hellcat is a Corsair. Then again... I'm a stickler on the proper ships so you could call me a detail zealot.

One more "comp" with some recent model work that may or may not see its way into FB/AEP/PF. The Spitfire Vc and SM 79 Sparviero. The Savoia Marchetti is built by I/JG53_Bubi and 269GA~Nibbio3. My apologies to the Spit modeller... I can't recall who built it but definitely nice work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf5.jpg
Spitfire vs. Sparviero

Regards, Goshikisen

p.s. - not a leaked beta - all Photoshop work.

DuxCorvan
04-28-2005, 09:58 AM
Nate!!! Thank you, SaQSoN. BTW, Grampa Chuck is gonna drool honey thru his eyes when he sees this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jagdmailer
04-28-2005, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
All three of thoes new planes are a surprise to me and infiniately useful.

True... I think those 3 additions would really round out the Japanese end of aircraft and open up some early war and late war scenarios. I know what you mean about the lack of an IJAAF bomber. Some folks, I wouldn't doubt, would say use the Betty and pretend it's an army bomber... but then I'd never expect them to make believe a Hellcat is a Corsair. Then again... I'm a stickler on the proper ships so you could call me a detail zealot.

One more "comp" with some recent model work that may or may not see its way into FB/AEP/PF. The Spitfire Vc and SM 79 Sparviero. The Savoia Marchetti is built by I/JG53_Bubi and 269GA~Nibbio3. My apologies to the Spit modeller... I can't recall who built it but definitely nice work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf5.jpg
Spitfire vs. Sparviero

Regards, Goshikisen

p.s. - not a leaked beta - all Photoshop work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Love the Sm. 79.....Ki-21 Sally looks awesome too! Not sure if we are getting Harti's sand filters for Bf 109F/G and Bf 110 although would be fantastic.

Jagd

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 11:37 AM
One more for the road...

I dedicate this one to EnGaurde and the O.N.N.A.P.S.J.A Society.

An "alternate" history shot... what if the Japanese attacked the US in 1939?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf6.jpg
Brewster vs. Mitsubishi

Regards, Goshikisen.

LEBillfish
04-28-2005, 12:02 PM
Lot of potential fun being shown there a Ki-45 would really set us up with IJA big time, just hope when we open up our halloween bags we don't say...

"awww man, I got a rock!?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

fordfan25
04-28-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by EnGaurde:
Nate = O.N.N.A.P.S.J.A

Oh No Not Another Pea Shooting Japanese Aircraft.

yay for a few of those photos though.

yea doesnt history suck.

jagdmailer
04-28-2005, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Lot of potential fun being shown there a Ki-45 would really set us up with IJA big time, just hope when we open up our halloween bags we don't say...

"awww man, I got a rock!?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Yes, Ki-45 would definately bring more depthness to PF with the 3 other Japanese ones shown in this thread prior.

Jagd

Akwar
04-28-2005, 02:10 PM
That Sally is looking mighty sweet.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 03:13 PM
Interesting that we have the Dinah (built by Burnin et al) and a dev shot of an Irving (Burnin again I believe) but no Nick. You'd almost think a front-line fighter would take precedence over recon and night fighting.

I wonder if anybody made any progress on a Ki-45 model or if it never got off the ground.

Kudos to Burnin for contributing the Dinah... I think the recon version is the coolest looking aircraft of WW2.

Regards, Goshikisen.

Gog..
04-28-2005, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by goshikisen:
Interesting that we have the Dinah (built by Burnin et al) and a dev shot of an Irving (Burnin again I believe) but no Nick. You'd almost think a front-line fighter would take precedence over recon and night fighting.
.

No, not interesting mate, just typical of the lack of attention to detail that is prevailent in PF. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

jarink
04-28-2005, 04:54 PM
Wahh! Wahh! I want! I want!

Seriously, nice looking models! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I think this well shows what might be going on behind the scenes at 1C. Most of the aircraft added in patches have been done by 3rd party modelers, have they not?

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 05:29 PM
I know that SaQSoN and his colleagues put a great deal of work into this model and the sad thing is it will, apparently, never see the light of day.

The Yorktown class, at least in my mind, were the signature USN carriers of the Pacific War. Enterprise was the Iron Lady of Carriers, Yorktown, potentially, the most tragic loss in USN history, and Hornet launched the most unconventional carrier mission of the war. Pacific Fighters is a lesser sim without this model.

This trademark issue is garbage no matter how you look at it. Gog's sig has piqued my interest... I'd really like to know N/G's stand on this issue.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf7.jpg
CV5 - minus the apparent N/G trademark

Regards, Goshikisen.

p.s. I know the CVL looks out of place with the Yorktown but I used the USS Lexington (prewar config) as the basis for the shot... so I figure mine is the lesser of the 2 evils.

SaQSoN
04-28-2005, 05:50 PM
Gog's sig has piqued my interest... I'd really like to know N/G's stand on this issue.

First of all, how and where does it comes?

Second, as far, as I know, the part of the agreement between Ubi and N/G was that this deal will not be disclosured, because Oleg feared, that most of the other AC companies would also ask for their share.

And third, do you really believe, that some huge company will honestly disclosure ANY of it's deal details to a someone "from out a street", like, say, Gog?
That sig, from the lips of N/G just says in a PC way: "Get the f*ck off, you stranger, and don't come back no more with you stupid questions". Of course, only in the case, that it was really ever pronounced by N/G. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
And third, do you really believe, that some huge company will honestly disclosure ANY of it's deal details to a someone "from out a street", like, say, Gog?


It's sad if companies like N/G resort to double talk to maintain their image... if they're really money grubbing scum they should be honest about it instead of feeding the general public this "we don't know anything about it and it isn't our fault" nonsense. If they're the real roadblock to the process they should stand up and be accounted for.

Outstanding model SaQSoN. I have a new found understanding of how much grunt work goes into these things.

Regards, Goshikisen.

VW-IceFire
04-28-2005, 06:31 PM
I know we were told no ships...but man, that shot has me wanting the Yorktown class...I have no idea what the details are...but minus any references to any one specific ship...couldn't we have a generic Yorktown-class. I mean, thats really what should have been done with the Essex class too (as there are so many).

Nimits
04-28-2005, 06:32 PM
Or those shots of models (A5M, Yorktown) things that have actually been completed for PF, or just Photoshop edits?

goshikisen
04-28-2005, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Nimits:
Or those shots of models (A5M, Yorktown) things that have actually been completed for PF, or just Photoshop edits?

All of them are Photoshop composites. Some of the content may be incorporated into the sim and some of it may not. I think the Mosquito is the strongest candidate for inclusion. The Nate, from what SaQSoN has said in the past, has a good chance of being included. Spitfire Vc I think is pretty definite. The rest of the aircraft are iffy. The Yorktown = No for the most frustrating of reasons.

Regards, Goshikisen.

LEXX_Luthor
04-28-2005, 08:16 PM
Ki~27 must be made Flyable! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

There are many old early war planes coming over the FBP, but all of them are AI only. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

shinden1974
04-28-2005, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by goshikisen:

It's sad if companies like N/G resort to double talk to maintain their image... if they're really money grubbing scum they should be honest about it instead of feeding the general public this "we don't know anything about it and it isn't our fault" nonsense. If they're the real roadblock to the process they should stand up and be accounted for.

Regards, Goshikisen.

I know from working with large governmant contracts like n/g (on a very small scale, I'm an aviation precision measurement technician) for a decade now that these companies are so big that one side hardly ever knows what the other side is even doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if the major shareholders and CEO had no idea what PF even is, in fact I'll bet on it. These guys hardly even understand the concept of aviation much less PC games about such.

Talking to the public relations department is usually futile, not because they hate you or see you as the 'little people', but because they have a specific job, which is to filter out BS (in their minds) and provide it to others, they are usually clueless.

Unless you have a specific problem that they would care about such as "Airframe XXX is a piece of cr@p, the Air Force is mad at you" with a large amount of paperwork to support such, you'll get the standard message "We are not responsible, we serve are customers, blahblah"

Not defending these guys, it's just a fact that N/G operates in a whole other world than we do.

SaQSoN
04-28-2005, 11:32 PM
All aircraft, shown here by Goshikisen are going to be included in the game, in one form or other. At least, they are all shaduled for this (offcourse, plans may change, but so far, they are so).
The Yorktown also has some chances, but it is too early to talk about this now.
The cockpits for N1K2-Ja and Ki-27 are being worked on.

Regarding N/G situation, Shinden1974 explained it very well. I couldn't say anything better.
All I can add, is that the issue with this this company exists, Ubi and Oleg have lost their profits because of it and that are FACTS. Everything else - are speculations.

LEXX_Luthor
04-28-2005, 11:50 PM
SaQs
Ubi and Oleg have lost their profits because of it and that are FACTS.
Wow! Bad News indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

SaQs::
The cockpits for N1K2-Ja and Ki-27 are being worked on.
Good News! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SaQSoN, can UBI sell any addon CDs through the mail, they ship only paper CD envelope? All we need is readme file on CD. They could use the addon CD as game~start disk check. This would be easier to make than Box Addon sold in stores.

Flyable Ki~27 is like Pe~2, worth CD all its own. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Nimits
04-29-2005, 12:47 AM
Not to mention, an AI A5M would provide some nice, juicey targets for my F4F3 . . .

SaQSoN
04-29-2005, 02:47 AM
SaQSoN, can UBI sell any addon CDs through the mail, they ship only paper CD envelope?

I am not affiliated with Ubi in any way, so this is not a question for me. I have no idea about how Ubi conducts their business, and thus do not know if anything, you suggested, will work for them. Sorry.

So far, all future commercial addons (except the upcoming free patch/addon) are only prepared for Russian market.
But, I believe, Oleg, 1C and Luthier will find a way (or, at least, will try) to bring this addons to the international public as well.

Gog..
04-29-2005, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Gog's sig has piqued my interest... I'd really like to know N/G's stand on this issue.

First of all, how and where does it comes?

Second, as far, as I know, the part of the agreement between Ubi and N/G was that this deal will not be disclosured, because Oleg feared, that most of the other AC companies would also ask for their share.

And third, do you really believe, that some huge company will honestly disclosure ANY of it's deal details to a someone "from out a street", like, say, Gog?
That sig, from the lips of N/G just says in a PC way: "Get the f*ck off, you stranger, and don't come back no more with you stupid questions". Of course, only in the case, that it was really ever pronounced by N/G. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bzzzzt! Nice try Saqson, but I am involved in the aircraft industry, not a 'man on the street'.
The 'legal difficulties' line towed by 1C is 100% garbage! I have already been in contact with Northrop-Grumman and they don't know a thing about it.
Honestly, this kind of excuse to buy time or cover up for the designers inadequacies should not surprise anyone.

SaQSoN
04-29-2005, 05:15 AM
Gog, I don't care, if you believe me or not, I don't care, where you work, and so on. You may believe in whatever you like. But, your belief doesn't change the FACT that N/G have owned the Ubi and Ubi have payed 6 digit summ to them. Because this is the FACT. Period. Nothing to talk about any more.

goshikisen
04-29-2005, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
All aircraft, shown here by Goshikisen are going to be included in the game, in one form or other. At least, they are all shaduled for this (offcourse, plans may change, but so far, they are so)

Excellent news... and certainly more than most of us could hope for. Glad to hear your Yorktown still has a chance.

Thanks for clearing up the N/G thing.

Regards, Goshikisen.

Airmail109
04-29-2005, 07:57 AM
I would be worried if it was a 7 didgit sum but 6 didgit....pffffffffffffffffffffffttttt, even 1C would be able to pay that.....hell that would only be a years wage out of a lawers salary! I dont think that kind of money is going to bring 1C or Ubi down!

goshikisen
04-29-2005, 09:19 AM
It's Friday... might as well contribute a couple more "screenshots" in lieu of an update.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf8.jpg
Unlucky Dutchman

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf9.jpg
Bringing Down a Dinah

DIRTY-MAC
04-29-2005, 10:14 AM
Ehum don´t know about that unlucky Dutchman,
I know that the CW-21B will beat the **** out of that Zero if flown correctly, it has better performance than the Zero in all but turnrate,
and it will climb like a DEMON.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

nice pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

goshikisen
04-29-2005, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
Ehum don´t know about that unlucky Dutchman,
I know that the CW-21B will beat the **** out of that Zero if flown correctly, it has better performance than the Zero in all but turnrate,
and it will climb like a DEMON.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

nice pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I had read this passage from the Warbird Resource Group's blurb on the Demon that inspired the title:

"Deliveries began in June 1940 but only seventeen were on strength with the Netherlands East Indies Army Air Corps when on December 8th, 1941 the Netherlands declared war on Japan. These aircraft were based at Andir, Java and saw their first combat on February 3, 1942 when the Japanese assaulted Java. The CW-21B's had little armor protection, lacked self sealing fuel tanks and had a light structure and proved to be no match for the Mitsubishi A6M Zeros 20mm cannon. Interestingly enough these shortcomings are similar to those that would plague the Zero later in it's service career. Regardless, of the seventeen aircraft that entered combat on February 3rd, only five remained two days later."

5 out of 17 left after 2 days of combat... pretty nasty turn of events.

Regards, Goshikisen.

Sharkey888
04-29-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
I would be worried if it was a 7 didgit sum but 6 didgit....pffffffffffffffffffffffttttt, even 1C would be able to pay that.....hell that would only be a years wage out of a lawers salary! I dont think that kind of money is going to bring 1C or Ubi down!

Depending how much, it probably would have been better to remake the box and issue some public apology/retraction to N/G etc-"by mistake we added Company names to box, but we are redoing them, blah, blah, blah!!"

Or even let N/G TRY to take them to court-$250,000 in lawyers fees for a copy-right case might go pretty far.

And Goshikisen THANKS for the updates-I'm really diigin' em!!!

jarink
04-29-2005, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
So far, all future commercial addons (except the upcoming free patch/addon) are only prepared for Russian market.

Can someone tell me why this is? It really doesn't make sense to me for 1C/UBI to limit themselves to a small segment of their market for commercial addons and yet also provide other, free addons for everyone!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Do they not realize that most of their foreign (non-Russian) customers would gladly fork over $20-30 US for the current "Russian-only" materials?

LEBillfish
04-29-2005, 11:28 AM
Well the Ki45 Nick would be an awesome addition. The Dragon Killer/Slayer was not intended to be a bomber hunter/night fighter...It was considered a heavy ground attack plane........Can you say twin engined IL2?

What a PERFECT addition it would be to the IL2 theme series, a ground attack plane that does well in air to air.

However, doubt we'll see it, pity really.

goshikisen
04-29-2005, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Well the Ki45 Nick would be an awesome addition.

I was surprised to see a Nick fuselage on a recent trip to the Smithsonian/Steven Udvar-Hazy facility out by Dulles in Washington. I wonder if the fuselage is all that is left or if there is potential for a complete restoration. The Smithsonians' Irving restoration is incredible... I hope they get it in the Udvar/Hazy Center as well.

Regards, Goshikisen.

SaQSoN
04-29-2005, 12:21 PM
Can someone tell me why this is? It really doesn't make sense to me for 1C/UBI to limit themselves to a small segment of their market for commercial addons and yet also provide other, free addons for everyone!

As far as I was told, Ubi is not interested in financing any more addons for the IL-2 series. The 1C has a different opinion on that. Therefore, they are making this add-ons on their own expence (the IL-2 game development, on contrary, was partially financed by Ubi). But, 1C doesn't have neither rights or ability to publish the game wordlwide. They can only do it within ex-USSR territory, where they have an exclusive rights for this game.
Quite probably, Ubi may show interest in publish this "Russian" addons wordlwide, but only after they will be released in Russia.
But until the Russian release happens, Ubi wouldn't even discuss this possiblity.

The free add-on, that is now being prepared for release will contain a number of 3rd party models, supplied to 1C for free. That's why they must either to make this addon free, or not release it at all. Count it as the developer's tribute to the comunity.

GSNei
04-29-2005, 01:39 PM
When the time comes - if lobbying specific people at UBI has any influence - people here will be GLAD to hammer them with E-Mail

Sharkey888
04-29-2005, 02:48 PM
This could turn into some kind of reverse pirating thing. With fake copies being made in the Western countries-very interesting!!

LEXX_Luthor
04-29-2005, 05:19 PM
Thanks SaQSoN for talking here.

Some news is Great, some news we don't like to read, but we want to hear it all.

Yog_Shoggoth
04-29-2005, 06:24 PM
George Bush Sr. flew a TBM, maybe someone could get him interested...

And I'd kill for a flyable Claude and maim for an AI one. I'm craving for a fair fight for my I-16.

VW-IceFire
04-29-2005, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Can someone tell me why this is? It really doesn't make sense to me for 1C/UBI to limit themselves to a small segment of their market for commercial addons and yet also provide other, free addons for everyone!

As far as I was told, Ubi is not interested in financing any more addons for the IL-2 series. The 1C has a different opinion on that. Therefore, they are making this add-ons on their own expence (the IL-2 game development, on contrary, was partially financed by Ubi). But, 1C doesn't have neither rights or ability to publish the game wordlwide. They can only do it within ex-USSR territory, where they have an exclusive rights for this game.
Quite probably, Ubi may show interest in publish this "Russian" addons wordlwide, but only after they will be released in Russia.
But until the Russian release happens, Ubi wouldn't even discuss this possiblity.

The free add-on, that is now being prepared for release will contain a number of 3rd party models, supplied to 1C for free. That's why they must either to make this addon free, or not release it at all. Count it as the developer's tribute to the comunity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Makes alot of sense. Thats what I essentially figured but its good to hear some other sources on this. I realize you aren't exactly the main official source but I know many of us appreciate (in quieter corners too) people letting the rest of us have an idea of whats going on behind the scenes.

Makes things less worrysome and more interesting.

Feathered_IV
04-30-2005, 10:14 PM
And I'd kill for a flyable Claude and maim for an AI one. I'm craving for a fair fight for my I-16.



Oh God Yes!!!!!!

luke97
05-01-2005, 09:18 AM
Thanks SaQSOn. We really appreciate you share with us that infos.
The lack of some news or real dev. updates on the last month has been a cruel joke for this community. Thanks God you bring some fresh air here.

S!

jagdmailer
05-01-2005, 10:09 AM
Goshikisen, thanks for your efforts on those screenshots. Too bad we do not get this from UBI and/or 1C themselves.

BTW, any news on the following:

- Mc. 200
- Mc. 202
- Mc. 205
- Re. 2000
- Re. 2001
- G. 55
- A-20C
- A-20K
- Ju 88 (I am rooting for a Ju 88C-6a personally)


Thanks also to SaQSoN for his efforts and "filling" us in on important dev. that we would probably not get otherwise.

Jagd

p1ngu666
05-01-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Goshikisen, thanks for your efforts on those screenshots. Too bad we do not get this from UBI and/or 1C themselves.

BTW, any news on the following:

- Mc. 200
- Mc. 202
- Mc. 205
- Re. 2000
- Re. 2001
- G. 55
- A-20C
- A-20K
- Ju 88 (I am rooting for a Ju 88C-6a personally)


Thanks also to SaQSoN for his efforts and "filling" us in on important dev. that we would probably not get otherwise.

Jagd

what he said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

saqson = http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

canucksledge
05-01-2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">SaQSoN, can UBI sell any addon CDs through the mail, they ship only paper CD envelope?

I am not affiliated with Ubi in any way, so this is not a question for me. I have no idea about how Ubi conducts their business, and thus do not know if anything, you suggested, will work for them. Sorry.

So far, all future commercial addons (except the upcoming free patch/addon) are only prepared for Russian market.
But, I believe, Oleg, 1C and Luthier will find a way (or, at least, will try) to bring this addons to the international public as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They'd better...because we all know not selling it outside of russia will not stop it's availability outside russia. It will just stop them from getting money for it.

Russia is home to some of the most infamous software pirates in the world, outside of China...going back to the early days of the internet.

jagdmailer
05-01-2005, 11:31 AM
Pingu,

Not sure I quite understand what you are saying....

Any updates on those planes ?

Jagd


Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jagdmailer:
Goshikisen, thanks for your efforts on those screenshots. Too bad we do not get this from UBI and/or 1C themselves.

BTW, any news on the following:

- Mc. 200
- Mc. 202
- Mc. 205
- Re. 2000
- Re. 2001
- G. 55
- A-20C
- A-20K
- Ju 88 (I am rooting for a Ju 88C-6a personally)


Thanks also to SaQSoN for his efforts and "filling" us in on important dev. that we would probably not get otherwise.

Jagd

what he said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

saqson = http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

goshikisen
05-01-2005, 06:15 PM
Here's one for Jagmailer and all the folks who are advocates of more Italian aircraft in the game (that would include me... Daimler Benz may be German but I'll take an Italian Reggiane with my DB601 over a 109 anyday).

This is Flakwalker's Re. 2001 with an Abraxa skin on it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf11.jpg

I cannot say whether this plane will ever see the light of day in FB/AEP/PF but that doesn't mean that it doesn't look absolutely cool. I believe Casper (sp?) has also done some work on a cockpit for this model. The combined Italian stuff could make up an entire addon on it's own... one I wouldn't hesitate to lay down some ducates for.

Regard, Goshikisen.

jagdmailer
05-01-2005, 11:33 PM
Beautiful, simply beautiful!!!

Thanks Goshikisen. I am holding my breath for the Italian stalions!

Jagd


Originally posted by goshikisen:
Here's one for Jagmailer and all the folks who are advocates of more Italian aircraft in the game (that would include me... Daimler Benz may be German but I'll take an Italian Reggiane with my DB601 over a 109 anyday).

This is Flakwalker's Re. 2001 with an Abraxa skin on it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf11.jpg

I cannot say whether this plane will ever see the light of day in FB/AEP/PF but that doesn't mean that it doesn't look absolutely cool. I believe Casper (sp?) has also done some work on a cockpit for this model. The combined Italian stuff could make up an entire addon on it's own... one I wouldn't hesitate to lay down some ducates for.

Regard, Goshikisen.

269GA-Veltro
05-02-2005, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Can someone tell me why this is? It really doesn't make sense to me for 1C/UBI to limit themselves to a small segment of their market for commercial addons and yet also provide other, free addons for everyone!

As far as I was told, Ubi is not interested in financing any more addons for the IL-2 series. The 1C has a different opinion on that. Therefore, they are making this add-ons on their own expence (the IL-2 game development, on contrary, was partially financed by Ubi). But, 1C doesn't have neither rights or ability to publish the game wordlwide. They can only do it within ex-USSR territory, where they have an exclusive rights for this game.
Quite probably, Ubi may show interest in publish this "Russian" addons wordlwide, but only after they will be released in Russia.
But until the Russian release happens, Ubi wouldn't even discuss this possiblity.

The free add-on, that is now being prepared for release will contain a number of 3rd party models, supplied to 1C for free. That's why they must either to make this addon free, or not release it at all. Count it as the developer's tribute to the comunity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SaQ.....i would like to know this, if you can answer of course: the our third party models (the italians for ex., but not only) have been supported only by Maddox Games (and Vladimir http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) or also from Ubi?
Again, only Maddox is financing this models by the 3rd party (code, bugs, ecc. ecc..)?

jagdmailer
05-02-2005, 11:52 AM
All in all, I really have a soft spot for the Ju 88C-6a with the 3 X MG/FF 20mm + 3 X MG17s. Would love a Cpt Farrels eastern front skin with the "painted on" glass nose :-)

Would add a new aspect to the sim - long range intruder/heavy-Zerstorer missions on the Eastern Front. Could also be used in the scope of BoE on the Normandy map, although would have a tough time with Allied air superiority at that time of the war.

I hope this one makes it in..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Jagd

LEXX_Luthor
05-02-2005, 06:53 PM
jag::
3x20mm [Ju~88]....Would add a new aspect to the sim - long range intruder/heavy-Zerstorer missions on the Eastern Front.
Yes, I forgot about this. This would be useful in both Offline and the better Online play arenas. I was (choke) wrong.

jagdmailer
05-02-2005, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
jag:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3x20mm [Ju~88]....Would add a new aspect to the sim - long range intruder/heavy-Zerstorer missions on the Eastern Front.
Yes, I forgot about this. This would be useful in both Offline and the better Online play arenas. I was (choke) wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally stricly play offline. I think the Ju 88C-6a would bring a new dimension for long-range intruder/Heavy Zerstorer/long-range train busting missions. Would also be fun to surprise VVS fighters if intercepted, with the business end of the solid nose with "painted on" glass - obviously, not nearly as nibble as a single seat fighter, but still would be a blast IMHO. The thing is that if they decide to the the Ju 88C-6a, then the Ju 88C-6a "field mod" would be not much more work to model in the end. Only 1 MG/FF 20mm + 3 X MG17s but no lower gondola and less weight = a little faster & a little more nimble.

Would only need Cpt Farrels to do us a couple of his fantastic LW skins and I would be in heaven.....

Jagd

MiamiEagle
05-02-2005, 09:18 PM
I have no doubt the Italian planes are comming. They are soley missed. But lets finnish the Pacific Theater before they can concentrate on the Italian planes.

One project at a time please.

PS I do love Italian planes and I beleive they need to be represented as well but in due time.

Miamieagle

goshikisen
05-02-2005, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by MiamiEagle:
But lets finnish the Pacific Theater before they can concentrate on the Italian planes.


Here's a Pacific Theatre plane for you MiamiEagle... admittedly it's an obscure Pacific Theatre plane but it is one none the less. Gibbage's Demon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/pf13.jpg

Regards, Goshikisen.

JG53Frankyboy
05-02-2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by MiamiEagle:
I have no doubt the Italian planes are comming. They are soley missed. But lets finnish the Pacific Theater before they can concentrate on the Italian planes.

One project at a time please.

PS I do love Italian planes and I beleive they need to be represented as well but in due time.

Miamieagle

http://www.franky.fliegerhospital.de/FAKE-Mc200-Spitfire.jpg

FAKE !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EnGaurde
05-02-2005, 10:31 PM
dedicate this one to EnGaurde and the O.N.N.A.P.S.J.A Society.


hey whoa there tigers i meant no disrespect.

i'll lurve the Nate just as much as anyone.

have i championed japanese aircraft or not in these forums? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

early maps, yeah i guess it would be very welcome.

any Japanese addition = good.

EnGaurde
05-02-2005, 10:41 PM
They'd better...because we all know not selling it outside of russia will not stop it's availability outside russia. It will just stop them from getting money for it.

I dont understand this.

I dont understand this at all.

I'd pay good money for it, and yet I have noone to give my money to to get this extra content.

imagine that... content, customer, no link between the two due to a deliberate decision.

a business, in a notoriously volatile industry, doesnt want my money.

remarkable.

obviously making all they need....

Feathered_IV
05-03-2005, 01:28 AM
Again, you are right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

woofiedog
05-06-2005, 02:33 PM
goshikisen... Great looking Sally... hopefully it will become a addon.

goshikisen
05-06-2005, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
goshikisen... Great looking Sally... hopefully it will become a addon.

That would be the work of SaQSoN or one of his associates... all I do is the glorified cut and paste thing with the digital scissors and glue.

You're right though, it is a nice Sally.

Regards, Goshikisen.

AH_Duck
05-07-2005, 12:50 PM
What I cant understand on the plane situation for PF is why oh why were the TBF Avenger and the B5N2 kate not made flyable from the getgo. The lack of a torpeodo bomber to go along with the dive bombers is what annoys me.

gombal40
05-07-2005, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
saqson you make interior N1K2-Ja as external beautiful ^_^?

Look at his work and ask yourself again. The answer should come easy.

Now i do not know about Max Dmitriev.
SaQSoN willing to work multiple planes with him is word enough dont you think?

regards

actionhank1786
05-08-2005, 02:00 AM
I love this thread.
These composites are really awesome