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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:45 PM
What's up with "so and so was shot down by (blank)" when landing with a relatively working airplane (minus a few ailerons or elevators but landing safely none the less)". I wasn't shot down..i landed safely and walked away for another plane. When you are shot down..you crash and burn..or cartwheel over the landing strip from a badly damaged plane. Anybody else agree??

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:45 PM
What's up with "so and so was shot down by (blank)" when landing with a relatively working airplane (minus a few ailerons or elevators but landing safely none the less)". I wasn't shot down..i landed safely and walked away for another plane. When you are shot down..you crash and burn..or cartwheel over the landing strip from a badly damaged plane. Anybody else agree??

fluke39
11-10-2003, 12:52 PM
yes - this area leaves alot to be desired - i do really hate taking a couple of shots from someone ( with relatively no damage) landing on my airstrip - but fluffing the landing slightly and it saying that "such and such blows fluke39 out of the sky" !!! erm no - fluke39 fluffed his landing actually.

would be nice to have an extra feature that detects if you land relatively well - if i make a ditch landing - say with my gear up - and take no damage in the process - it would be good to see a message such as "such and such forces fluke to make a emergency landing" - not fluke is destroyed by ......" - there is one message that says you ditch - but it is random and doesn't always happen when you want it too.

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:59 PM
Me is agree!

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:11 PM
i agree

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:18 PM
LOL....yes sometimes its totally wrong and I also suspect a few have a method of avoiding their loss to be registrered when they are shot down??? and mostly use unmarked planes and a name like "..." so they cant be recognised ?



It would be nice to be able to get a shared kill or when making a bellylanding or landing 5 meters from the runway
it would count as successful landing and not a kill for the enemy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:47 PM
I agree.... Well i yesterday got a message: Kradreve was shot down by a well placed shot by Kradreve. (or something like that) it made me think... lol how can i shoot myself in the air 1500m high?

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Message Edited on 11/10/0301:47PM by Kradreve

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 03:28 PM
Kradreve wrote:
- I agree.... Well i yesterday got a message: Kradreve
- was shot down by a well placed shot by Kradreve. (or
- something like that) it made me think... lol how can
- i shoot myself in the air 1500m high?

Remember? You were doing a double loop and during the first loop you accidently hit the trigger?...and during the second loop the bullets fell back down on your plane?

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 04:08 PM
I like it when the server reports that "TacticalSkirmsh downs TacticalSkirmsh." lol

It has happened a couple of times. The first time I thought I somehow had shot myself (don't know how since I was flying a fighter not a bomber). Anyway, very certain I'm not shooting myself down /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif because the second time it happened (last night) I wasn't even shooting at the time. I believe both times was caused by AAA fire as I flew over enemy bases.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 04:15 PM
tell me about it.. the other night was in a dogfight with a P40 and laid all my guns in him, dude wouldnt fall, he was damaged i guess and ditch and his plane was rather messed up and in flames.. but no kill for anyone

his buddy in a IL2 got a lucky hit, damaged my alerions and landing gear, so i ended belly landing at my airfield, plane not really damaged, landed at about 180kph and just slide, only damage from landing was propeller... the game said i was blown into pieces by the IL2 guy... ya ok... lol

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 04:32 PM
Kradreve wrote:
- I agree.... Well i yesterday got a message: Kradreve
- was shot down by a well placed shot by Kradreve. (or
- something like that) it made me think... lol how can
- i shoot myself in the air 1500m high?


- Message Edited on 11/10/03 01:47PM by Kradreve

In the heat of the battle you pressed the trigger of the 45 cal pistol, and blew a hole in your plane. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 04:50 PM
LOL -/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - yet to see that one -

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Message Edited on 11/10/0307:54AM by artatack

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 04:58 PM
This has been my experience with the interesting scoring in FB.

When you see the message, "XXXX has been shot down by XXXX." with the same name, it's usually because the guy who did the damage to you has crashed or died and has hit refly already. Then, the game doesn't have a name to assign to the kill so it defaults to the main name. This happens to me sometimes if the other guy goes down while we are both bailing.

Also, I've found if you took damage to your plane, sometimes very slight and the guy or AAA that did the damage is still up, even if you land safely, you can get the killed message or you'll get a safe landing message, but the guy still flying gets the "Enemy Aircraft Destroyed" message on the right of his screen.

I make it a point to bail on successful landings with damage for 70% of points. 50% for air bails. You can get screwed with 10% sometimes for landing with damage and not bailing.

There are two reasons for not getting points for a kill that I know of...one is when someone else hit the plane after you did or someone did more damage than you. I've seen where my wingman and I are damaging a plane and one will get the kill message in the chat, while the other guy gets the points message to the right.

The other reason is due to lag. If the downed pilot lags on impact or is temporarily disconnected for a short time, the server doesn't get the kill information and doesn't think there was a kill. Other times the server catches up and awards the kill a few seconds later.

Rule of thumb, if you don't see the "Enemy Aircraft Destroyed" message to the right, after downing a bird, you're not getting any credit for that kill, as far as the server is concerned. Sometimes you have to wait until he lands, also. Some pilots take a little damage and run for home to land, hoping to avoid a kill. It usually just results in a safe landing message and a points kill message to the right for the pilot who did the damage./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:04 PM
good info Slickstick, thanks! Always wondered about that...still ticks me off after a really nice bombing sortie and I get 66 pts vs 660.

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 07:03 PM
A weird thing happened to me on hyperlobby. I got behind a bady guy and when he saw me he started using his rudders to skid about the sky combined with half loops to spoil my aim.
I thought that was neat but what was weird was as he was doing this his plane was managing to almost warp itself to another position. For example when I had him in my target reticle he would be for instance at the bottom of the reticle or at its 6 o'clock position then suddenly he would pop up to the top of the reticle (12 o'clock) with no movement between positions he would just suddenly appear at the 12 o'clock postion then the 3 o'clock then suddenly appear at the 10 o'clock. Needless to say I coulnd't get him anywhere near the center of the reticle and used up all my ammo trying to target him. My question is this just lag that is happening. My plane and bullets didn't lag though. Can anyone explain?

This doesn't happen offline.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:38 PM
Reminds me of an old sheriff in the American West. They said he could draw his gun so fast he didn't even seem to pull it out of the holster. You know what they called him?



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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:57 PM
For example when I had
- him in my target reticle he would be for instance at
- the bottom of the reticle or at its 6 o'clock
- position then suddenly he would pop up to the top of
- the reticle (12 o'clock) with no movement between
- positions he would just suddenly appear at the 12
- o'clock postion then the 3 o'clock then suddenly
- appear at the 10 o'clock. Needless to say I coulnd't
- get him anywhere near the center of the reticle and
- used up all my ammo trying to target him. My
- question is this just lag that is happening. My
- plane and bullets didn't lag though. Can anyone
- explain?

Yeah, that's lag. The game predicts where the bad guy should be, and continually corrects the prediction against the real data. So if the bad guy flies in a straight line, prediction and reality tally, and lag isn't apparent. When he starts getting ham-fisted, you see lag.

You don't see your plane as lagging because your computer doesn't have to receive information on the position of your plane over the net. You are the lag-free centre of your universe. However, to other observers, you may be lagging like crazy.

For a little known early investiagation of this phenomenon, cf. A. Einstein, "Forgotten Battles, Lag, and evasive manouevring; an application of general relativity", Geneva, 1922

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 10:08 PM
Ironman69 wrote:
- What's up with "so and so was shot down by (blank)"
- when landing with a relatively working airplane
- (minus a few ailerons or elevators but landing
- safely none the less)". I wasn't shot down..i landed
- safely and walked away for another plane. When you
- are shot down..you crash and burn..or cartwheel over
- the landing strip from a badly damaged plane.
- Anybody else agree??

While I see what you're saying, and can agree that there is something to that, in answer to your question "Anybody else agree?", I have to say "I don't".

Because neither does Freiherr Manfred von Richtofen. He defined a "kill" as (if I may paraphrase) removing the enemy plane from the battle. If you scare him out, force him to land, or even damage him enough that he has to run for home. You still did your job.

I think that WWII that changed a bit and was different for different sides, but still, landing a plane that is that badly damaged is clearly a case of running for home and hoping to survive. So I can see it being a kill for the other guy.

I wonder what the threshold is. I've been shot up plenty of times but only rarely had that message pop up after a landing.

Once I even put down on the grass after being so shot up I couldn't see and lost half a wing (practically - Thunderbolt of course. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) and drove it home. I was strafed by the same guy a few times then left alone. When I made it to base I hit refly and just saw it say that I was RTB or some such. lol

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 10:58 PM
i fully agree !!!

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 11:13 PM
If you know some guy hit you and you return to base, always wait for him to get another plane before you do.

Then he won't get any credit

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 10:41 AM
SlickStick wrote:
- This has been my experience with the interesting
- scoring in FB.
-
- When you see the message, "XXXX has been shot down
- by XXXX." with the same name, it's usually because
- the guy who did the damage to you has crashed or
- died and has hit refly already. Then, the game
- doesn't have a name to assign to the kill so it
- defaults to the main name. This happens to me
- sometimes if the other guy goes down while we are
- both bailing.
-
- Also, I've found if you took damage to your plane,
- sometimes very slight and the guy or AAA that did
- the damage is still up, even if you land safely, you
- can get the killed message or you'll get a safe
- landing message, but the guy still flying gets the
- "Enemy Aircraft Destroyed" message on the right of
- his screen.
-
- I make it a point to bail on successful landings
- with damage for 70% of points. 50% for air bails.
- You can get screwed with 10% sometimes for landing
- with damage and not bailing.
-
- There are two reasons for not getting points for a
- kill that I know of...one is when someone else hit
- the plane after you did or someone did more damage
- than you. I've seen where my wingman and I are
- damaging a plane and one will get the kill message
- in the chat, while the other guy gets the points
- message to the right.
-
- The other reason is due to lag. If the downed pilot
- lags on impact or is temporarily disconnected for a
- short time, the server doesn't get the kill
- information and doesn't think there was a kill.
- Other times the server catches up and awards the
- kill a few seconds later.
-
- Rule of thumb, if you don't see the "Enemy Aircraft
- Destroyed" message to the right, after downing a
- bird, you're not getting any credit for that kill,
- as far as the server is concerned. Sometimes you
- have to wait until he lands, also. Some pilots take
- a little damage and run for home to land, hoping to
- avoid a kill. It usually just results in a safe
- landing message and a points kill message to the
- right for the pilot who did the damage./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
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OK thnx mate.......this makes it a bit clearer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Now I understand why I didnt get my kills.

Watched my tracks and discovered these dudes that waited in their ditched planes until I had landed and respawned.
After that they respawned.

Guess some guys just hate to be downed.....

I fly 109's and to down a yak3 or La7 or even a p39 isnt
easy especially not if they are aces....


Anyway I dont really count scores or follow statistics....

If I can I will leave a damaged opponent trying to ditch.
I really enjoy watching him trying to land, when watching the track afterwards. Its both fun when he succeeds or fails.
Since my eyesight is lousy and my screen small I dont always see the enemy bail out...so I've hit them some times.

If I get shot down I mostly let my plane hit the ground before I respawn.Its not fun when a plane disappears in thin air 1 sec after killed......it just takes 5 sec or so .

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 10:42 AM
yeah i too find them to be a big bother at times.