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sukebeboy
12-08-2006, 07:25 PM
More awesomeness from Shockwave.

What is new in BOB v2.05?
1. Multiskin
2. Advanced flight modeling with authentic spins and departed flight characteristics
3. Improved Stability and CTD reduction with stronger gameplay in both Instant Action and the Campaign
4. AI (Artificial Intelligence) Advancement / improvements, including tougher engagements, simulated fear, and spin recovery techniques based on skill
5. Faster loading times
6. Improved visual effects and sound
7. Blue Six's FM as the BoBII default (for the first time ever)
8. Fixes and general improvements


Detailed list of changes in BOBv2.05
1. Reduce Wind effect by 75% default (bdg.txt parameter Wind_Effects_Fraction= 0.25 if users want as is today set to 1.00 )
2. Delete Wind Gust (causes jumps/warps in AI???s performance)
3. Exclude Ju87 from Gearup Call
4. Fix Ju87 Takeoff in Novice from Tangmere
5. Prevent CTD, in TargetClosureGreaterThan
6. Prevented Campaign from being used with Novice AI
7. Reduced the Number of Fighter blowups to less than 10%
8. Prevented CTD in RemoveFromSector when sector is NULL
9. I have added a Novice_Gunnery_Predictor feature (Bdg.txt control) You must padlock a target for the predictor to work. This is a rather cool feature to sharpen you deflection shooting practice and for newbies to learn and practice. A big red X is drawn where you need to shoot to hit the enemy AI. You can rotate through the enemy AI using the F1 key or your Wingmen AI using the F2 key. You will then see a big stick figure A/C that reflects the AI damage and a red line that reflects the AI ammo. The small stick A/C reflect the enemy AI ( below) the friendly AI (above). The red small stick A/C means damaged and the black small stick A/C means undamaged. Thanks to Retro for this.
10. Prevented crashes on the runway at air fields (the age old ObjectAdds renaming workaround problem)
11. MultiSkin Switch in the BDG.txt added (4 positions see bdg.txt) (Osram)
12. MultiSkin preload added for 250M video card (Osram)
13. MultiSkin preload added for 128M video card (Osram)
14. Added code to smooth the scissor maneuvre
15 Added BDG.txt Rain (off/on) switch for inclement weather at user request
16. Fix/prevented CTD in AssignFuelTruck()
17. Added Transition to the end of Disengage Maneuvre
18. Added the new Bdg.txt parameter DEATH_BREAKS_PADLOCK feature thanks to Retro who stated it some years ago. With a target padlocked and DEATH_BREAKS_PADLOCK=OFF you can watch your kill all the way to the ground and see the explosion. If DEATH_BREAKS_PADLOCK=ON the padlock will break shortly after you kill your target. The default for DEATH_BREAKS_PADLOCK is OFF.
19. Prevented a CTD in DecisionMessage (non-repeatable)
20. Added Bdg.txt parameters for ???Spin??? control of both the player???s and AI???s A/C
Player_Spin_AOA_Control = 17.500 (degrees default)
Player_Spin_Rotational_Velocity_Control = 14.325 (degrees/Sec. default)
AI_Spin_AOA_Control = 17.500 (degrees default)
AI_Spin_Rotational_Velocity_Control = 14.325 (degrees/Sec. default)

21. Fixed TrackIR ID 7001 (Thanks to Retro)
22. Fixed VE Center Position in Spit (thanks to Retro)
23. Fixed AssignFuelTruck CTD back in Auto_Land
24. Fixed CTD in NodeData caused by a bad pointer
25. Fixed 128MB Video card VRAM issue (Osram)
26. Fixed CTD when selecti

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-08-2006, 07:33 PM
WOW! Looks like it is time for a reinstall. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-08-2006, 07:36 PM
Thanks - downloading now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
12-08-2006, 07:48 PM
Ki-yi-yi!!!!!!!!!!

BillyTheKid_22
12-08-2006, 07:54 PM
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BrotherVoodoo
12-08-2006, 08:09 PM
Thanks! DL'ing now. I've been waiting, can't wait to see if the "feel" is any better. I'm hoping TiR works correctly now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
12-08-2006, 08:48 PM
nice of the UBI folks to allow the posting of a competitors' entire readme file from their directly competitive product on this UBI forum.

Is this someones way of getting 'even' for the '46 addon copyright protection debacle?...

Yeah - thatll learn 'em http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

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sukebeboy
12-08-2006, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
Thanks! DL'ing now. I've been waiting, can't wait to see if the "feel" is any better. I'm hoping TiR works correctly now.

If you're having trouble with TrackIR in the game, try this profile. Works great for me.

http://www.savefile.com/files/314000


2.05 seems good so far. My only complaint is that the AI aircraft still warp out of the way when you fire on them. Kind of like the AI in IL-2 being able to sense a trigger pull but more noticeable.

sukebeboy
12-08-2006, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
nice of the UBI folks to allow the posting of a competitors' entire readme file from their directly competitive product on this UBI forum.



I think they understand the fan base enough to realise that the majority of us are fans of the genre, not fanboys for one particular title.

panther3485
12-08-2006, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by sukebeboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
nice of the UBI folks to allow the posting of a competitors' entire readme file from their directly competitive product on this UBI forum.



I think they understand the fan base enough to realise that the majority of us are fans of the genre, not fanboys for one particular title. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, sukebeboy. This is one 'fan of the genre' that has just downloaded v2.05 and the multiskin. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

msalama
12-09-2006, 12:50 AM
TY Sir!

Downloading now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Karaya-X
12-09-2006, 01:22 AM
Is this an all-in-one patch or do we need update 2.04 installed?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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sukebeboy
12-09-2006, 01:35 AM
They recommend doing a full reinstall rather than patching from 2.04.

JG52Karaya-X
12-09-2006, 01:58 AM
First impression is: very good!

The FMs seem to have improved quite a bit and the AI planes do not warp around as much as in 2.04 which was a major turn off for me. The new tracers are also nice.

Spent the last 30min doing the airfield attack training mission in a Bf110C4 over and over again, great lot of fun!

PS: They still havent fixed the ReVi on all of the German planes. It's still too small - I guess they made the same error as Oleg in IL2 and FB, namely mixing up radius with diameter...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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sukebeboy
12-09-2006, 02:51 AM
The FMs are better and the AI is greatly improved. Offensively, the AI in 2.04 was very timid but this is no longer the case. Expect to get jumped a lot and expect them to stick to you tenaciously. The Defensive AI was always quite good but it's infuriatingly good now. I spent 5 minutes in a scissors fight with a 109 vs my Hurri 1B, sometimes vertical, sometimes horizontal. I finally got into firing position and put a few into his tail. Bugger used the superior climb on the 109 and headed home. Jerk...

I find the warping to be more pronounced now but the programmers over at Shockwave explained why that might be so.


Even though we have worked long and hard on AI jumps/Warps/UFO's 2.05 still has a small intermittent issue with AI jumps. Here is my current theory on the small "jumps" the AI does sometimes make when you are closing in for a shot:

The AI has an assign target and makes decisions to attack or defend itself depending on the conditions and some random numbers.

When an AI is shot at (could be a player or another AI but mostly it is the player), alot of different stuff happens. First the bullet code must discover a bullet hit or near miss, then a message must be routed to a program called pesonal threat. Personal threat then must decide if the bullet is friendly or enemy and check alot of other stuff. Personal threat must then call Setengage so the threaten AI can engage the shooter or call defensive maneuvre to try and avoid the shooter. Once these decision are made the move codes are assigned to the list of move code work for processing.

All this time (different on different PC depending on processing delay), the XYZ of AI is not updated in time and a jump occurs.

I explain this here so everyone can consider my theory including of course you.

I do not have a solution as yet but I am woking on it. Tougher still is proving my theory as there is just so much data and the timing is so short.

You can watch this on 2.05 when you get it by shooting at almost any enemy AI (must have a hit or near miss). Just turn Labels on and move code on (see the information above on AI move codes). After shooting you will see the sequence maneuvre->transition->defensive maneuvre. It will happen as fast as possible after you shoot. If the jump is along the flight path no problem (looks normal) if you have in a very bad situation (pitch and roll wise) a jump may be visible.

The following are a list of defensive maneuvers that are "not" impacted by personal threat as they are already defensive so no change is needed:

MANOEUVRE man = trg->ai.manoeuvre;

if( (man == MANOEUVRE_BAILOUT)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_PANICTURN)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_MILDSCISSORS)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_JINK)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_HIGBARRELROLL)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_REVERSETURN)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_SCISSORS)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_BREAKTURN)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_BREAKHIGH)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_BREAKLOW)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_BREAK90)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_DIVINGSPIN)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_SPLITS)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_CLIMBTURN)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_UNBALANCEDFLIGHT)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_STEEPDIVE)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_ZOOM)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_STALLTURN)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_LAZYTURN)
|| (man == MANOEUVRE_STRAIGHTDIVE) )
return(man);

Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-12-2006, 03:31 PM
Still CTD's. Multi-skin don't work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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sukebeboy
12-12-2006, 04:10 PM
Did you do a fresh install? Works great for me. No CTDs, skins look great, new AI is very challenging both offensively and defensively. Good stuff all round.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-12-2006, 04:13 PM
Yep. Fresh install. Twice.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NonWonderDog
12-12-2006, 04:44 PM
Having to configure the spins manually for the plane you want to fly is nonsensical... but am I to infer that that bit of the readme means that spins weren't modeled before at all? And to think, people were hailing the flight model when BoBII came out because it was "hard" and therefore "realistic"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

It does seem like it's much improved from when it was released, but I'm still not sure it's worth buying. I'll need some convincing if I'm going to need to twiddle with the config files to get my plane to spin.

ICDP
12-12-2006, 05:09 PM
Spins are already on by default NonWonderDog. The lines in the config are if you wish to tweak the spins for you or the AI. It really is unique to watch AI stall and spin when they push too hard. Very like watching a human lose it online after they overdo their turns. I can't recall a sim where the AI could enter a pilot induced spin before, kudos to the devs on this one. They really have worked wonders with this sim IMHO.

I just had a great instant action mission where I was in a massive dogfight with bombers and fighters all around me. In the middle of all this mayhem I ended up in a one v one fight with a Bf109 in my Hurricane. One minute there is planes everywhere, the next it is just me and him. Bugger kept using his speed and the vertical and I all I could do was take snapshots. He was getting some good angles on me but I managed to evade his attacks. Eventually on one of his steep climbs I saw a Hurricane dive in from above us and tear him apart.

A goo update IMHO, this sim is a keeper. Plenty of room on my HD for it and IL2.

Longpo
12-12-2006, 05:30 PM
Think I might pick up a copy, only 8 pound on play.com.

About time I got the Vector Expansion for TIR aswell, only thing is if I get the expansion, do I need one of those hat clips or will it work without it?

leitmotiv
12-12-2006, 05:32 PM
Make that two of us, ICDP, but I do wish they had used an option for easy/hard/realistic spins instead of making us fiddle with the files for max realism!

You can now get a TrackIR side clip for a headset instead of the hat, Longpo. I use it---hate the hat.

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/02-products/product-TrackClip-PRO.html

TheGozr
12-12-2006, 07:01 PM
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leitmotiv
12-12-2006, 07:36 PM
Look at the first post for both, Gozr.

I just patched 2.05 right over my 2.04 disk---WOOOOEEEEEEE!!!! The new flight model is smooth as glass---reminds me exactly of Maddox and that's why it is now really good. New gunfire and tracer effects great. This baby has 6 DOF, and right now I prefer it to Maddox because, once you play with 6 DOF, anything else seems Dark Ages. Spitfire was possibly too hard to stall, but once it was in a spin, the difficulty to recover was pure Maddox. I think Shockwave has a winner.

slappedsilly
12-12-2006, 07:38 PM
LowFlyer, have you tried a registery cleaner? I used this one http://www.ccleaner.com/
and it worked for me.

Heres a vid http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2051208934938168866&hl=en

knightflyte
12-12-2006, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
Thanks! DL'ing now. I've been waiting, can't wait to see if the "feel" is any better. I'm hoping TiR works correctly now.


I'm having trouble with TIR4 now. I can't lean forward or back, and when I bank my plane one way oy another the view skews with the bank but it doesn't return to center. Other times it just banks/tilts for no reason. I may be doing something wrong, but......

As far as the FMs go. Shockwave's done a nice job. It gives a great illusion of flight. I've only stalled a few times so I can probably press the plane a bit harder in combat.

It's actually fun just cruising around the countryside. I LOVE IL2...... but theres something to be said about the ground in BoB WoV that really adds an extra dimention.

In IL2 there's large expanses of nothing. I feel like I'm fling slow motion sometimes because there aren't ground references. (I think I'm making sense....LOL) Even just having the simulated crop areas in BoB makes a bit of a difference.

It's still not IL2, but Shockwave deserves to be commended. Nice job!!!!!

I'll figure out the TIR thing and really enjoy it.



D'oh! Shoulda read down a little farther Sukeboy. I'll have a looksee at your profile for Track IR.

Chivas
12-12-2006, 09:48 PM
Anyone who enjoys combat flight sims should have BOB WOV in their library. Everyday there are people on the Shockwave team working to improve this product. The 205 version is the best and most stable edition yet.

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leitmotiv
12-13-2006, 01:34 AM
Having praised Caesar now I must take him down a peg---the stall model is straight from CFS3---the memorably coined "Piper Cub" stall model. I have no idea why they did this. It is nuts. Roll on Oleg's BOB and end the nonsense.

Woodstock_69
12-13-2006, 02:00 AM
FM still not on the same level as Il-2 in my opinion.
Graphics are great.

I still prefer Il-2. It's still the reference. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
12-13-2006, 03:38 AM
Agree 100%.

bazzaah2
12-13-2006, 03:50 AM
it's a lot of fun and Shockwave have done a great job in turning Rowan's original effort into something playable.

Oleg and co could learn a great deal from the strategic campaign - fancy playing BoB as a wargame? You can with BoB and it works well.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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karost
12-13-2006, 09:11 AM
Oh man .... Thanks guys for update this info.
this new years I will enjoys this Battle of Britain II 2.05 patch first.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-13-2006, 09:59 AM
Slappedsilly, many, many thanks for the link. Downloaded and finally got it all to run properly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'm enjoying it so far. Nice skins. Better effects. Seems more stable (although I've got occasional micro-stutters - will tweak card settings later). Although not as polished as FB (especially down low and in the replay department), there are some nice touches and improvements. Well done to all involved.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ytareh
12-13-2006, 01:43 PM
WARNING!!!!I have bought and subsequently sold this game twice.The last patch(2.04) was meant to be the be all and end all just like this latest one -be very cautious.The game's forums (Shockwave?) are supposed to be useful enough however you get no response to your registration.Maybe theyre trying to hide all the frustrated rantings of earlier(and not so early ) players.

MB_Avro_UK
12-13-2006, 02:17 PM
Hi all,

I bought the original Rowan version in 2001. But after buying il2 later I found that it was far superiour. So much so that I binned Mr. Rowan.

Seeing the linked video of the updated version reminds me that it still has the 'plink-plonk-plink' sound as your hits strike an enemy aircraft....
The link also has the sound of the enemy pilot screaming as he's downed....
Not very immersive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Also, the CTDs drove me bonkers but I hope that's been rectified.


IMO il2 has raised the bar so high (and will again with SoW) that I will find it difficult to accept anything else.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

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leitmotiv
12-13-2006, 02:43 PM
Agree, MB_Avro. This item still has a ways to go to catch up with where Maddox was three years ago. When the Maddox BOB comes available, this will be bin fodder. Their upcoming (2007) Flying Tigers sim (another Rowan upgrade) is supposed to be a big step up---we will see. I dislike any sim with a "stall light"---do we need CFS3 all over again?

knightflyte
12-14-2006, 12:08 AM
Avro, where can I get those Maddox Games shares? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I can see a lot of improvements in BoBII. It's not perfect by a long shot, but it is a decent diversion.

While just flying around it does give a great feeling of flight, but when in combat I feel frustrated in that there seems to be no tactics.....(at least like I'm used to in IL2.... That could be because of the size of the conflict in BoB:WoV where as IL2 has smallish skirmishes verses full on dogfights.)

I feel I'm lining up a gunsight verses flying a plane. (This is abviously after having a few more hours into the sim now)

I do notice a difference in improved AI. I want to check around on the config file...(I found out how to turn on 6DOF. LOL)...and see if mucking about can improve some things.

Overall I'm happy to have it back on my hard drive. I'll give it a fairer shake, because in 2.04 it STILL CTD. I've not had one yet since installing 2.05.

And again KUDOs to the Shockwave team. I'm looking forward to see what the next sim looks like. If this is a building block....then I look forward to seeing the house you build.

IT'S GREAT TO BE A SIMMER! A few years ago we thought PC flight sims were a dieing. I'm glad to see a lot of activity.

TheGozr
12-14-2006, 01:25 AM
once you play with 6 DOF, anything else seems Dark Ages.


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leitmotiv
12-14-2006, 01:37 AM
That's why I like OVER FLANDERS FIELDS, too.

trumper
12-14-2006, 03:30 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif BoB 11 WOV is great fun,and vastly improved by a very very hard working and fully supportive team http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
You can't compare il2 with it as Rowans is very old in the developement age compared to the newer stuff BUT it has it's own little corner and "soul" which i can't explain but sometimes i feel il2 lacks.
It may have something to do with us in the UK being able to fly over the UK to an extent.

Links 2.05 patch info http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6525

video clips http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6521

A thread regarding stalls,remember it is adjustable for getting into a stall which is a new feature, http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6587

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leitmotiv
12-14-2006, 04:48 AM
It definitely has character and flavor, and it is definitely improved. I just played a London raid scenario as a 110C escort, and it certainly is hectic with Spitfires and Hurricanes coming from all directions. The new patch gave the 110 the "oomph" it was lacking in the previous incarnations of this sim. Now you can use it aggressively like a Jabs.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-14-2006, 07:26 AM
Screenies, anyone? These are unretouched and have taken a small hit in quality due to resizing.The terrain is a mod I found via Airwarfare.com. Like I said before, down low it doesn't compare to FB - the ships are awful too. The propellor boss on the Hurricane is still too big and the player crashes aren't up to FB standards (not that I crash much of course, but in the interests of research... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) As has been noticed, the whole shebang has got a nice immersive feeling to it. Nicely done lighting effects in cockpit. And plenty of that 'one second I was whirling around in a sky full of planes, the next I was alone in the sky' that we've all read about.


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Yskonyn23
12-14-2006, 08:19 AM
Whereas BoB2 fits on one CD-ROM the current state of IL2FB needs a DVD indicates a big difference in material you'll get with each game.

BoB2 is a nice little flight- or tacticalsim and the programmers are really doing a fine job supporting and expanding the sim, but as far as pure WW2 flightsimming, Maddox and his crew are unrivalled!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slappedsilly
12-14-2006, 10:43 AM
Whereas BoB2 fits on one CD-ROM the current state of IL2FB needs a DVD indicates a big difference in material you'll get with each game.

IL2 covers a much larger time period of the war where BoB2 only covers a very short period. Il2 is the best sim out there IMO, but BoB2 does a few things better. The sound is first one that comes to mind. Explosions, smoke, tracers, clouds and cockpits are a few others. Thats a pretty good list to start with. I think if Shockwave tried hard enough, they could be a pretty tough competitor. If it only had multiplayer options it would be ALOT more interesting.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-14-2006, 11:52 AM
....and it's got a Do17. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-14-2006, 01:00 PM
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slappedsilly
12-14-2006, 04:08 PM
slappedsilly what do you think BOB from Maddox will cover ?

Judging by the dev time, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Falkland Islands, Gulf War, Iraq war, and some future 21st century stuff that hasn't happened yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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Chuck_Older
12-14-2006, 05:36 PM
You know nothing good will come of this. To almost everyone here, NGC is a boogeyman come to life, that delights in oppressing a hobby and pastime

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berg417448
12-14-2006, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just a thought. Could this be why <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] is reluctant to distribute this title directly in North America?

Doesn't really explain Canada does it?
Or South America.

RCAF_Irish_403
12-14-2006, 06:21 PM
we just have to wait for the acid to wear off at ubisoft HQ. Then they'll realize what a ***** move it was to not distribute to N. America before Christmas. You know....the continent with most of the world's disposible income. Maybe i'm just being silly<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Nimits
12-14-2006, 07:25 PM
<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] has already "paid off" NG (in part with 1C's money, it seems) for the planes in Pacific Fighters, and 1C has been very circumspect about new aircraft from American manufacturers, so that would not seem to my mind to be a big deal. Anyway, <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] did not bother with an American version of the Pe-2 download (one had to go to the French or UK <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] sites to get at it). If I had to guess, I would say <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] was put off by the poor showing of Pacific Fighters in the US (due to a combination of a spotty plane and ship set and a almost complete lack of an advertising campaign). Rather than try a more limited but directed marketting strategy in North America (concentrating on flight sim and history buff types, rather than the gaming public at large), <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] seems to have decided it is more cost effect to ignore the North American market entirely.

VW-IceFire
12-14-2006, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just a thought. Could this be why <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] is reluctant to distribute this title directly in North America?

Doesn't really explain Canada does it?
Or South America. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We're a population of 35 million. We're not even a market in the global games business. If they can't ship it to the US, they won't bother sending it to us.

You bet that NG is the problem...actually...the problem is the US's lawyer litigation happy legal system thats the problem.

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carguy_
12-14-2006, 07:32 PM
Yeah well nothing strange about that.You wouldn`t distribute that in a country where some guy might just sue you because the urine on A20 canopy might be his and 1C has to pay him.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RCAF_Irish_403
12-14-2006, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by Nimits:
<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] has already "paid off" NG (in part with 1C's money, it seems) for the planes in Pacific Fighters, and 1C has been very circumspect about new aircraft from American manufacturers, so that would not seem to my mind to be a big deal. Anyway, <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] did not bother with an American version of the Pe-2 download (one had to go to the French or UK <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] sites to get at it). If I had to guess, I would say <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] was put off by the poor showing of Pacific Fighters in the US (due to a combination of a spotty plane and ship set and a almost complete lack of an advertising campaign). Rather than try a more limited but directed marketting strategy in North America (concentrating on flight sim and history buff types, rather than the gaming public at large), <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">Ubi[/b] seems to have decided it is more cost effect to ignore the North American market entirely.

this sounds more like it<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

TSmoke
12-14-2006, 07:57 PM
Well my 2 cents on lack of 4.07 in the US or Canada all comes from Mr. Bush's little "freedom fries comment."

Ubisofts head office is in FRANCE..the North American office in Montreal. Both french so go figure.

Like I said just my 2 cents.

fordfan25
12-14-2006, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by TSmoke:
Well my 2 cents on lack of 4.07 in the US or Canada all comes from Mr. Bush's little "freedom fries comment."

Ubisofts head office is in FRANCE..the North American office in Montreal. Both french so go figure.

Like I said just my 2 cents. lol yea im sure thats it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
12-14-2006, 11:42 PM
Well, BOBwov has a lot going for it. At the moment i`ve been flying it quite a lot simply for the more realistic AI (imho). But it also has a campaign that IL2 cannot match and does a great job with multiple aircraft. For instance you can start a flight against 30 stukas and during that meet 50 109s, then, when you think you`re done spot 50 HE111s returning from a bombing mission deeper in England, not to mention meeting friendlies as well. A battle can get very long and very tiring since you can find yourself involved in 3-4 sorties in a single hour!

If you really want to, you can even fly across Britain too! 4.05 is incredibly stable and has a load more enhancements such as Human, AI stalls, extra effects. The shudder fuselage shake and FF are especially well synched, a joy compared to IL2. Also with the new multiskins it looks even more realistic.

That said (here it comes), IL2 still wins out by quite a way. I guess it`s because the moment I fire up IL2 and fly everything has a very crisp, smooth feel. Aircraft are clear, 3D and distinct to the eyes (WOV aircraft from the cockpit still look slightly paper-like). They move more smoothly and realistically in formation. When you shoot an IL2 plane you `feel` you are shooting what you hit, not a bubble. Damage effects, crashs for both you and AI are far better, consisting for spins to survivable crash landings for AI. And multiskin, IL2 had this from the start really. It`s also really nice to fly as one pilot and have your own face in the cockpit. And I think IL2 sounds are more `realistic` in game than BOBwov, as while WOV sounds more real, they are sampled (so tend to cut off) and I hear sounds above a Merlin engine I shouldn`t hear, like parachutes opening.

Still, BOBwov was never meant to be a beater to IL2, but more an alternative if you get a little bored of IL2 and would like to fly over Britain and see more than a few dozen aircraft in the sky at once.

You can`t win `em all, one sim has great stuff, but then some not so good other stuff and same for the other sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif At the moment it`s IL2`s 4.05 AI that bugs me primarily.

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slo_1_2_3
12-15-2006, 12:01 AM
So you guys are saying what got another thread closed a week ago and what I got griped for and this is still going ,hmp<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Nimits
12-15-2006, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by TSmoke:
Well my 2 cents on lack of 4.07 in the US or Canada all comes from Mr. Bush's little "freedom fries comment."

Ubisofts head office is in FRANCE..the North American office in Montreal. Both french so go figure.

Like I said just my 2 cents.

Sure . . . . .

leitmotiv
12-15-2006, 01:26 AM
Concur without qualification (except I wont have 46 on my HD 'til next week [CENSORED]!!!!!!).

GH_Klingstroem
12-15-2006, 01:36 AM
US being a free conutry MY A*SS!! The US is probably the least free country I have been to of all the so called western conutries! Everything is controlled by the police, so for me as a european its very much like any police state you read about! If you even argue with the police or ask them questions they become very agressive as if you are questioning their ability to work (which i believe they do very well though)! Everyone in a uniform over there (which they seem to love to wear) seems to wear it as a compensation for lacking something else... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
As a matter of fact "the best democracy" in the world ended up on a place of 19 according to the last research made by the UN in october! lagging behind most european democracies (comparing democracies around the world). But then again if you know nothing else, you tend to believe you are the best and buy everything the media feeds you with... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
ast time i was there I was trying to find any news about what was happening in the rest of the world, which was almost impossible by just reading the papers. CNN over there only covers the Iraq war...
SO PLS STOP THAT "YOU KNOW WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY" thing! It shows that you have absolutely no clue that there is world outside the US and that you are uneducated!
well I better stop now before I get banned... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

major_setback
12-15-2006, 01:45 AM
Low_Flyer.

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GR142-Pipper
12-15-2006, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
You bet that NG is the problem...actually...the problem is the US's lawyer litigation happy legal system thats the problem.

*venting over* If this is truly the problem then what a shame. Lawyers and politicians....fewer is better.

GR142-Pipper

GR142-Pipper
12-15-2006, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
US being a free conutry MY A*SS!! The US is probably the least free country I have been to of all the so called western conutries! Ah, so you've never been here. Thought so.
Everything is controlled by the police, so for me as a european its very much like any police state you read about! If you even argue with the police or ask them questions they become very agressive as if you are questioning their ability to work (which i believe they do very well though)! Everyone in a uniform over there (which they seem to love to wear) seems to wear it as a compensation for lacking something else... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif If what you say was true, with your mouth you would have never made it home.

As a matter of fact "the best democracy" in the world ended up on a place of 19 according to the last research made by the UN in october! Ah, the U.N. Can we all say "Oil for Food"? (giggle)
lagging behind most european democracies (comparing democracies around the world). But then again if you know nothing else, you tend to believe you are the best and buy everything the media feeds you with... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
ast time i was there I was trying to find any news about what was happening in the rest of the world, which was almost impossible by just reading the papers. CNN over there only covers the Iraq war...
SO PLS STOP THAT "YOU KNOW WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY" thing! It shows that you have absolutely no clue that there is world outside the US and that you are uneducated!
well I better stop now before I get banned... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif Hey Cofi, don't stop now. You're on a roll. Don't you find it interesting that so many people all over the world just can't wait to come to the U.S.? You know, it must be because all these people really enjoy being abused and terrorized in our "police state" that they want to come here so badly. And once here, they just can't believe how fortunate they are to be a$$-kicked every day so they decide to stay and carve out a nice living for themselves and their families. Kick me, beat me...send me to the U.S. Only the lucky ones, brother...only the lucky ones. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

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Feathered_IV
12-15-2006, 03:08 AM
This isn't quite what I had in mind for this thread.

I would have thought that sales in my own country would have been a drop in the bucket compared to potential sales in North America - even with the poor marketing that would have gone with it. Not just that, but not supplying to other, seemingly random countries as well, I just can't figure out a rationale that explains it.

And when I think of all those potential Christmas nubs I could be welcoming on the forums, and dismantling on ZvsW... Ah! it breaks the heart http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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GH_Klingstroem
12-15-2006, 03:36 AM
Pipper Im sure I have been to more places than u have on this planet, and belive some of them u dont want to visit, so im sure my perspective is a bit wider than urs! U ever been to any of the countries u are at war with lately? Im suprised u even know who Cofi is considering ur obvious lack of knowledge! It is exaclty people like you that give ur country its bad name... shame... I have been defending the US here in europe for various reasons throughout history but being a free nation compared to lots of other countries on this planet is NOT one of those reasons!

Come back when 17% of ur population dont live under the international "standards" for "poor"...
So now go back to where u came from where murder is more than 5 times more common than compared to the first European city in the list!! the first 9 cities are in ur beloved country!

CITY MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 69.3
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9

Von_Rat
12-15-2006, 04:16 AM
maybe the reason we have so many poor is because the downtrodden of the world are litterly flooding into the u.s.

as for murders.i guess if we really lived in a police state,,,meaning no guns, police without restrictions, etc. then we wouldnt have a murder problem would we.



as for the us being a police state,,, ive have had several western europeans comment to me that they couldnt believe the stuff you could get away with here, and not get arrested. either because it wasnt illegal, or it was illegal but the law was never enforced.

from talking to them i got the distinct impression that rules and regulations of everyday life are much stricter in europe than here. especially anything pertaining to owning or driving autos.

Brain32
12-15-2006, 04:30 AM
It's all because P51 is porked...

Oh and BTW WTF is with USA bashing all the time? It's really gettin' old, it seems USA is all sompe people think about(kinda opsessed huh?). Ok they really whine about the P51 too much, it's not bad at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Besides like everything is feckin' perfect in this sh1thole we call Europe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
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Whirlin_merlin
12-15-2006, 04:40 AM
To call the US a police state is pushing it somewhat, mind you to call a choice of two rich white guys a democracy is a slight stretch too.

There is no perfect system of government as far as I can tell but how 'bad' each one is depends on your position in that society. As a white middle class type person I'm sure I'd love it (although as a biology teacher I can spot atleast one potential problem!). This is not say that I feel the system here (UK) is superior, sure I think it's better in some ways, but I also except it's flawed in others.

BTW I believe a significant proportion of the US 'poor' where born there so the oppressed masses of the world thing misses the point.

I may not like the US system but so what, I'm not a US citizen so it's not up to me. However I reserve the right to be critical when A)Some (not all) US folk make a point of telling me their systems best. B)When it directly affects me and mine, hence I'm allowed to say that current US policy is misguided at best, down right lunacy at worst.

This all totally irrelevent to everything but I was bored.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
12-15-2006, 05:53 AM
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