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HayateAce
10-28-2008, 12:33 AM
Here's one I've not seen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6OTxPiViHk

ytareh
10-28-2008, 01:19 AM
Interesting-nice music ,speeches in background work well.Seems planes 'in real life'didnt 'jerk' away like in this game when under fire ...this due to slower ,more 'realistic' roll rate,pilot injuries,plane damage you think?

ytareh
10-28-2008, 01:20 AM
...or pursuing pilot perfectly matching targets rolls?

Erkki_M
10-28-2008, 01:34 AM
...as does viewing high-speed camera's films in normal speed.

Phas3e
10-28-2008, 03:22 AM
havnt seen some of that nice find

did the guy at 1:29 get his chute pack ripped off?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

DuckyFluff
10-28-2008, 04:51 AM
Nice find some new stuff to me too.
The guy at 1.29 looks like he pulled the rip cord too soon and that he didn't have it on properly(maybe hadn't the leg straps on) the pack just pulled straight off him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif poor bastid.

HayateAce
10-28-2008, 06:02 AM
I've only seen the one bailout where the 190 rolls upside down and the guy pops out. At least 2 of those hit their vertical stab. Interesting shot where the second P51 goes screaming through the camera....and right into his buddy's line of fire.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

b2spirita
10-28-2008, 06:22 AM
Did you see how close he got at 50 secs?

HayateAce
10-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Yeah, looks like an airquake server.

Darth_Reagan
10-28-2008, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Erkki_M:
...as does viewing high-speed camera's films in normal speed.

Exactly, some of that footage is in slow motion.

HayateAce
10-28-2008, 09:45 AM
I wonder what speed US gun cameras were set to record? Was it adjustable. Seems like you would want it set pretty fast to record as many frames as possible. There are still rolls of film out there in footlockers yet to be discovered, and some never will.

KIMURA
10-28-2008, 10:17 AM
Maybe g-loads had some influence to the machanical driven cam speed.

DuckyFluff
10-28-2008, 10:37 AM
They were usually set at x4 or x3 speed to slow the sequence right down on playback. Thats why the footage is usually short sequences, they ran through a lot of film at those speeds! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Mr_Zooly
10-28-2008, 11:58 AM
looking at the clip about 30 secs in the 190's right wing explodes, could that be the ammo box going up?
before that the hits look to be from too low a caliber weapon to cause such a critical explosion/strike.

HayateAce
10-28-2008, 12:15 PM
Yes, .50 cal rounds aren't going to blow anything up like that. The big ammo/firepower of the 190 was also a liability, not modeled in IL2. I've reviewed quite a bit of footage of 190 wings exploding and shearing off. It was not uncommon.

Stafroty
10-28-2008, 01:01 PM
Ytareh wrote: "Seems planes 'in real life'didnt 'jerk' away like in this game when under fire ...this due to slower ,more 'realistic' roll rate,pilot injuries,plane damage you think?"

why should they jerk? machine gun ammo hitting the target causes less ┬┤shake┬┤effect than what it causes recoil when fired.

ammunition doenst weight almost at all when compared to weight of the plane. Also, all of the penetrating kinetic energy isnt transferred to target. it gives just as much Ke off what it takes to penetrate parts in its way, thus this way slowing the bullet speed down. yet in game damage is modelled in a way that it always transfers all the KE to target. its bit a mathematical coding problem issue, or issue which havent been takin notice while makin the sim.

RegRag1977
10-28-2008, 01:08 PM
Yes, it is modelled though we don't see a spectacular explosion like in reality. There are loads of FW190A pilots complaining about the one hit wing break (aka glass wing).

And AFAIK this was a reason (along with slightly better performance) why some of them asked Oleg Maddox for a fighter (non viermot killer) Fw190A with only 2MG151 in the wingroots, they never got it.

Nice find BTW! never saw that one...Some impressive parts...

HayateAce
10-28-2008, 02:25 PM
RegRag,

Is that only modeled in the A? I've never noticed a glass wing, but I don't fly it and that's where you notice that stuff.

Metatron_123
10-28-2008, 02:45 PM
It's chilling to watch people plunge to their deaths like this...

I thought some accounts from the 352nd FG during operation Bodenplatte were sickening...

'The pilot tried to bail out but I clobered him' etc.

No doubt this is nothing compared to what was happening on the ground.

ytareh
10-28-2008, 02:55 PM
Stafroty by ' jerking 'I was refering to the maneuvering of the pilot trying to evade fire not the violent shunts caused by ammo strikes .I have heard that in real life (as it appears in these films) that pilots could not perform aerobatic evasive maneuvers without blacking out .In some cases they appear to be hardly reacting at all.By contrast in this game imagine an I16 or a 190 under fire...They would be jinking and jerking all over the place...

HayateAce
10-28-2008, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by ytareh:
imagine an I16 or a 190 under fire...They would be jinking and jerking all over the place...

Limitations of our little game. You can do things in 190s and other planes that would be humanly impossible. Once this is made realistic and damage made complex, true BnZ and US planes will come into their simulation stride.

julian265
10-28-2008, 07:08 PM
THere's no lag/warping on that server!

Some of the best film I've seen so far! Thanks for the link.

Bearcat99
10-28-2008, 07:38 PM
Anyone expecting anything other than the most rudimentary resemblance of this to to what we do in this sim is deluding themselves.. In this sim we have no fatigue, no G forces effecting how much you can pull on the stick, no effects of being wounded (Imagine trying to evade a P-47 on your tail in a 109 with glass on your eyes, or blood, or trying to fly with a 50 cal round having passed through your thigh... ) Not to mention the fear factor..

HayateAce
10-28-2008, 09:32 PM
Glass on my eyes?

You lost me there boss.

Erkki_M
10-29-2008, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
Yes, .50 cal rounds aren't going to blow anything up like that. The big ammo/firepower of the 190 was also a liability, not modeled in IL2. I've reviewed quite a bit of footage of 190 wings exploding and shearing off. It was not uncommon.

Some 1/4 of my FW kills lose half of their either wing, usually from just a few hits(1-4), be it 20mm hispano/shvak or browning 50 cals... Also, I dont think its mainly because ammunition(in those few existing guncams where the explosion is probably caused by ammunition) but because of the load on the wing + hits - the same tendency to lose at least half of the wing at high Gs + hits seems to also bother P51, Spitfire, Ki84, P38 and P39, Tempest at least, especially FW, P39 and Ki84, but not that much some wooden aircraft such as Yaks, Las, LaGGs, and slow or energy bleeding crafts(almost all the others). It could be because of the "simple" damage modelling in the game, or different aircrafts' DMs modelled differently(not just different values), or something. Perhaps the developement team even wanted the FW to break up like in those Ami guncams. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

On the "jerking" planes.. In real life they couldnt hear the other guy sneaking behind them. Also I'd guess real pilots would have avoided pushing negative G.


Limitations of our little game. You can do things in 190s and other planes that would be humanly impossible. Once this is made realistic and damage made complex, true BnZ and US planes will come into their simulation stride.

They do already, and are the most popular aircraft in online wars and scorched earth -style campaigns(full difficulty, both sides organised & in voice comms, people caring about their virtual lives). Servers such as WarClouds and Spits vs 109s are also good for them, but they do not model the other advantages of the Allied side, the huge distances real war had nor high altitude bombings that would force the battle higher(and Luftwaffe's attention from the fighters). And you can do humanly impossible things in every aircraft, inluding the US ones. Even in a Spit! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

RegRag1977
10-29-2008, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
RegRag,

Is that only modeled in the A? I've never noticed a glass wing, but I don't fly it and that's where you notice that stuff.

I'm not sure about the D but i'm quite sure it happens with the A series. I can for instance remember reading on a online war forum that running in an Anton against slower AI was not a good option for they "knew" where to aim: i remember how they insisted on the "one hit wing break" they called bug when it was in fact more or less realistic:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8324640976189633970

I wonder if it happens (in game) also when the ammo cases were empty, and if it is related to mk108 only?

Bremspropeller
10-29-2008, 09:12 AM
Glass on my eyes?

You lost me there boss.

The P-47 scores a hit on your canopy, glass shatters and chunks of glass are flying through your cockpit.


That "wing fold" is certainly a drawback - but pretty much any fighter with HE rounds in it's wings would be concerned by that weakness.
I'd consider it a mere trade-off: safety in very specific conditions for firepower.

Just like the Zero's trade of armor for agility.

RegRag1977
10-29-2008, 09:33 AM
I'd consider it a mere trade-off: safety in very specific conditions for firepower.

Yes, i think we have to take in consideration that thought the danger of having highly dangerous explosives in the wings increased the risk of explosion, it was really worth it.

late Spitfires, Tempests, Corsairs (they had no bombers to intercept) tend to prove that: firepower is a great part in success where initiative, surprise, aggressive spirit and time is everything.

HayateAce
10-29-2008, 09:40 AM
Ah, thanks for the glass clarification. Kind of like those old M3 Tanks where the rivets popped out and ricocheted around the inside when hit by a shell.

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RAZORBACK-47
10-29-2008, 10:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQTfXVqNo9A&feature=related

Check this Video out, it's new to me

RAZORBACK-47
10-29-2008, 10:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZGaEEi8Ek&feature=related

Also found this one

Kettenhunde
10-30-2008, 01:07 AM
Music is corny but it has some new Guncamera I have not seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aqJwHdMDK0

Choctaw111
10-30-2008, 09:07 AM
That is a very good movie. I have not seen it before.
The music is fantastic, and for those of you who are a little older may recognize it.
It is Adagio for Strings, written by Samuel Barber, and used in the movie Platoon (where this music was conducted by Georges Delerue) over 20 years ago.

Kettenhunde
10-30-2008, 09:24 AM
The music is fantastic

I thought it was the Star Wars Theme. I think you are refering to the film Hayateace linked.

HayateAce
10-30-2008, 10:42 AM
This has got to be my favorite Mustang scheme. A bit of ADD, but I saw it on your Missy link.

http://www.wwiifighteraircraftfoundation.org/missy.jpg

Kettenhunde
10-30-2008, 10:52 AM
This has got to be my favorite Mustang scheme.

It is one of my favorite schemes as well..


The original "Missy" was flown by Lt. James G Bartley of the 352nd Fighter Squadron, Callsign "Jockey 74" his aircraft was P-51D 44-14095 SX-B "Missy" (R) / "Little Midget" (L).



http://www.wwiifighteraircraftfoundation.org/P-51-Missy.htm

You know we own the original airframe to SCAT VII, Robin Olds aircraft. We were all set to do a museum quality restoration of that aircraft.

Unfortunately we were scammed out of the data plate. That is what led to our decision to do a non-museum quality restoration on the airframe. Instead we are going to offer warbird certifications and check rides.

All the best,

Crumpp

Choctaw111
10-30-2008, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The music is fantastic

I thought it was the Star Wars Theme. I think you are refering to the film Hayateace linked. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the music I described was for the original post.

HayateAce
10-30-2008, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> This has got to be my favorite Mustang scheme.

It is one of my favorite schemes as well..


The original "Missy" was flown by Lt. James G Bartley of the 352nd Fighter Squadron, Callsign "Jockey 74" his aircraft was P-51D 44-14095 SX-B "Missy" (R) / "Little Midget" (L).



http://www.wwiifighteraircraftfoundation.org/P-51-Missy.htm

You know we own the original airframe to SCAT VII, Robin Olds aircraft. We were all set to do a museum quality restoration of that aircraft.

Unfortunately we were scammed out of the data plate. That is what led to our decision to do a non-museum quality restoration on the airframe. Instead we are going to offer warbird certifications and check rides.

All the best,

Crumpp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet it will look nice an authentic. Many of the P51 restorations done these days wind up with the airplane looking far better than any WW2 participant ever did.

HayateAce
10-30-2008, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
In this sim we have no fatigue,


Yes, but it could be modeled.



no G forces effecting how much you can pull on the stick,

Unless you blackout, yes. Also could be modeled.


no effects of being wounded (Imagine trying to evade a P-47 on your tail in a 109 with glass on your eyes, or blood, or trying to fly with a 50 cal round having passed through your thigh... )

You can be wounded in our current sim. Screen takes on a dim red haze and the controls are barely responsive. Crude, but it works ok.




Not to mention the fear factor..

That one would be tricky. In the sim world, we are all fearless studs, only one click away from immortality!

PhantomKira
10-31-2008, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by RegRag1977:

late Spitfires, Tempests, Corsairs (they had no bombers to intercept) tend to prove that: firepower is a great part in success where initiative, surprise, aggressive spirit and time is everything.

I've definitely noticed that. Flying the Ki-43 is okay, until you realize that all that manuverability is useless, since you only have two 7.7mm, and that dammed "hooded" gunsight. I can't seem to hit squat with that thing, and when I do, it doesn't do any good.

Give me cannons, any day. I'll take the risk of the "glass wing" in trade for my hits actually accomplishing something.