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LuckyBoy1
03-06-2005, 09:59 PM
Shouldn't you see less of tracers from their exhaust during the day?

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 07:22 AM
Hhhhhmmmm, this thread was moved from ORR to the General forum without any comment at all. I wonder what makes it not a legitimate ORR issue?

crazyivan1970
03-07-2005, 11:15 AM
I was moving out bunch of threads from ORR last night, that belong in general discussion. Just like this post they were observational and were addressing community..therefore belong in general discussion. I intended to copy ..but control panel does funky stuff sometimes. Sorry about that.

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 11:25 AM
Observational... so, I find out that the rocket exhaust tracers are less pronounced at night vs. days and I'm supposed to tell this in what other way?... pretty lame Ivan, even by your own standards! In fact, aren't you one of those lazy beta testers who are supposed to check these things in the first place, but don't? Maybe my honest and appropriately classified question for the developers hits too close to home here?

EURO_Snoopy
03-07-2005, 11:32 AM
If you are reporting a bug LB you should be more clear. You posted what reads as a general observation hence your post was moved. Also, to help you should post screenshot and/or track when reporting a bug, this speeds up the checking/replicating process

crazyivan1970
03-07-2005, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
Observational... so, I find out that the rocket exhaust tracers are less pronounced at night vs. days and I'm supposed to tell this in what other way?... pretty lame Ivan, even by your own standards! In fact, aren't you one of those lazy beta testers who are supposed to check these things in the first place, but don't? Maybe my honest and appropriately classified question for the developers hits too close to home here? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it`s going over board there sir. Re-read your initial post and think of what you wrote.

ORR is getting flooded with: I think, I thought, It should, What if and Maybe. And yes i am one of those LAZY beta testers that has a full time job, a family, tests betas till 3-4am and moderates posts like this one. Sorry i failed your expectations.

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 11:41 AM
Be more clear... in what way?

I can post screen shots, but I'd think by now you'd finger out that I'm not about to bring up an issue that isn't real. Before I do the screen shot thing, how about we find out if a fix is even possible. Maybe the game engine won't allow it? Maybe it's too late to change the patch? That's why I posted this in ORR and this isn't the first time this has happened to me while other, well worn subjects get hashed over and over again in ORR and are completely opinionated.

You can simply go see for yourself what I'm talking about. Also, there is no muzzle flash at night from the large artiller pieces. Clear?!... see for yourself because I'm not yanking anyone's chain here. However, again and again, I get sensored for bringing up real problems while others are allowed to go their merry way.

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 12:00 PM
Where in my original post does it say any of those things?

Got family responsibilities?... ok, then give the beta testing to those who will do it!

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 12:03 PM
And whoever is launching a sadly executed DOS atack at me through an exchange server in Devonshire England, you've got like 2 minutes before I e-mail Scottland yard with your cmputer ID.

crazyivan1970
03-07-2005, 12:24 PM
You are way over your head there mister, i wont even bother..

Have a nice day.

NORAD_Zooly10
03-07-2005, 01:40 PM
fighting talk, testosterone poisoning, whatever. this has degraded into a ****ging match and i think the best action would be to lock the thread and all persons involved should calm down.
i dont deny that i'm mildly entertained though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
~S~
Zooly
(now La7_Zooly)

Extreme_One
03-07-2005, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
Shouldn't you see less of tracers from their exhaust during the day? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you have a reason to suspect there's something amiss then it's traditional to back up your suspicion with some data.
For example some RL photo's / movies where there's a marked difference between what you'd se in RL and what you see in game.

If you're merely speculating then GD's the correct place for a thread of this nature.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
And whoever is launching a sadly executed DOS atack at me through an exchange server in Devonshire England, you've got like 2 minutes before I e-mail Scottland yard with your cmputer ID. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So looking at that statement I assume you have an accusation to make about a poster here?

Obviously, with your technical expertise not only would be a relatively simple matter to stop an attack of this nature, but also to isolate it's source.

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 02:19 PM
Mind taking some screen shots so we can see what you're talking about. I haven't used artillery like that during night missions.

EURO_Snoopy
03-07-2005, 03:11 PM
I decided to try and replicate the report. I went into FMB set up a couple of katyusha's and cameras waited, took screenshots, went back to FMB changed the time went back to the mission, waited, took screenshots found no problem so far as I could see. Half hour wasted for the sake of a screenshot or two.

Bad show blaming beta testers too, many thousands of hours playing time have gone by since release without this being reported, so how can you expect it to be detected in a few hundred hours by a small beta team who are testing a flight sim NOT a ground war sim.

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 07:23 PM
Just like I thought, the beta testers are going to try and pull the see no evil, hear no evil routine on us again...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Luckyboy1/seenoevil.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Luckyboy1/hearnoevil.jpg

and it took me all of 10 minutes to make a coop with a dozen or so rocket launchers on each side. I wonder how long it will take for this thread to mysteryously disappear?

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 07:30 PM
Ok, look, no exhaust at night and the flair from the rocket fuel is barely noticeable. Also, there is no flash at night from cannons like there used to be (or at least to the same degree) and I'm trying to...

1) Understand the issue.

2) Maybe, and just maybe then report a bug to UBI, so this childish see no evil, hear no evil routine ain't gonna make it.

crazyivan1970
03-07-2005, 07:30 PM
And just like i thought you just proved complete opposite of your initial post. Sorry LB, but you just not good enough for this competition http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.tvtome.com/images/people/104/6/11-33021-sm.jpg

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 07:37 PM
Ivan, if you are referring to the area lit up in fire at night, those are the impact points. How about the rocket tracers themselves. Try not to be a fool!

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-07-2005, 08:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
And just like i thought you just proved complete opposite of your initial post. Sorry LB, but you just not good enough for this competition http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.tvtome.com/images/people/104/6/11-33021-sm.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ooooh that is classic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LuckyBoy1
03-07-2005, 11:53 PM
I've added a couple of marks to show you what I'm talking about here if you were too blind to see it the first time.

Extreme_One
03-08-2005, 02:10 AM
"Just because I'm paranoid - it doesn't mean that everyone isn't out to get me"

Hunter82
03-08-2005, 06:32 AM
M...generally at night you would not see a larger smoke trail or a smoke trail to a medium degree...we're not talking a phosphorous exhaust like a tracer..

Got a neighbor with a diesel truck or such? Watch him start it in the morning and look at the smoke...now watch him start it at night and see if there is a noticable difference...now try it from 1500m like in the pic....don't forget to add the lines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
Ok, look, no exhaust at night and the flair from the rocket fuel is barely noticeable. Also, there is no flash at night from cannons like there used to be (or at least to the same degree) and I'm trying to...

1) Understand the issue.

2) Maybe, and just maybe then report a bug to UBI, so this childish see no evil, hear no evil routine ain't gonna make it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hunter82
03-08-2005, 06:45 AM
also there is no hear no evil see no evil going on here... you have roughly 5 beta testers here who you have claimed do not test these...well we all tested them after you posted this and we all came to the same conclusion...... it's a none issue with the smoke.

The comments about the testers made were really poor form. Most, including yourself, do not understand the process, the time involved, or the methods to get a actual bug corrected. To one off and say that people are not doing their jobs on this is the concept/method is misunderstood on your part.

Let's just say for ha ha's we get a patch today to test, well we may only have have 10 hours to report back and then get a new patch, and so on. It's broken out in sections to people say online,dgen,FMB, single misions, etc. or the group is asked to test specific items that were just added....that could in theory take the entire 10 hours alloted.... doesn't leave much for checking smoke on a rocket to make every little thing perfect...which is why you have the PF report e-mail...use it ... but do not belittle others efforts just to make personal attacks on someone you have issues with.

The flame and muzzle flashes were changed a bit back in a earlier patch. There could be some texture used for these that is also used for a specific gun or such that made the change related, that's possible. Overall it really does not matter to gameplay as your not going to be shooting the rockets as you would a V1 and it's not what would be considered a show stopper.

Personally,I'd be more concerned with other issues than this.

EURO_Snoopy
03-08-2005, 06:50 AM
What a difference a picture makes! I tested by taking screenshots right next to the launchers! Not half a mile above it all. In any case I doubt I can recreate the same effect as LB. I will try in a few hours and get back once I've woken up a bit. (New job working real nightshift Midnight to 8am). What I saw when using a camera to follow the rockets path was a normal exhaust flame from the rocket, normal smoke trail. Looks like another ATI thang??

Please also drop the conspiracy theories, you'll be telling us Oswald wasn't the lone gunman next!

I'll see my colonial chums later http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

EURO_Snoopy
03-08-2005, 07:31 AM
Ok, quicker than expected:

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Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce Ti4600 Drivers 66.93 No overclocking
Settings 1024x768, Perfect

Hunter82
03-08-2005, 08:15 AM
Still harboring issues about George and the Tea thing huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:

I'll see my colonial chums later http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blackdog5555
03-08-2005, 12:27 PM
This is really funny! Is there ia hidden camera here?

BSS_Goat
03-08-2005, 12:53 PM
FIGHT!FIGHT!FIGHT!
http://www.figaropictures.com/images/pitfighter/pit_fighter12.jpg

Extreme_One
03-08-2005, 12:56 PM
Just done a RL test.

Lit a cigarette and moved my arm fast enough to create a smoke trail.

In daylight I could see the trail far easier than when i had the lights off and the curtains drawn.

crazyivan1970
03-08-2005, 01:03 PM
Simon! You Hired!

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Apprentice/images/imgs_bio/donald_j._trump.jpg

Airmail109
03-08-2005, 01:13 PM
Luckboy.........u used to be cool.........then u started getting really *****y with people! Now this has confirmed my opinion.........you are now on my slowly increasing list of "high priority target" when online! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Theres no way you should put Ivan down like that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif Hes the best **** mod we have ever had and and i would like to see him round here more often! Maybe youll do better next time.......PUNK!

Whats the point.....I mean what is the bloody point of whining about some smoke tracer at night time for artillery which you hardly ever see during the day when flying.....AT NIGHT! Symbolises your struggle to come to terms with reality! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

GNR - "With your *****slap rapping and your cocaine tounge you get nothing done"

Philipscdrw
03-08-2005, 03:35 PM
It would appear that, in daylight, you can see the rocket mainly from its smoke trail. At night, you cannot see the smoke, which is realistic. But you can (or should) see the exhaust flare better at night.

Also, is this really an important issue? The main use I can think of for spotting in-flight Katyusha rockets is to find the launcher!

But V1-spotting, that's important...

NORAD_Zooly10
03-08-2005, 03:44 PM
I like constructive critisism, BUT I see none here.
Burn him (why?)(burn Ivan) he's a witch (a witch?) (UbiRazz) yes he turned me into a newt (a NEWT?) yes i'm better now!!
LB does have a right to bring things to the attention of others, however it degraded into a ****ging match (personal disagreement with Ivan, LB?)
ever heard of PM?!?!?!?!?
we (OK, so i'm talking on behalf of others here) are not really interested in this stuff (although its getting a bit too quiet here due to waiting for the patch)) are told about personal disagreements and how they arent welcome here, maybe locking (or deleting this thread) would be a good idea.
(@Ivan, also I apologise for my outburst on HL at the weekend).
Zooly

Korolov
03-08-2005, 10:00 PM
On a more technical note, I'd just as well not see the flare at night than to have the effects take up power that could be diverted to more important aspects of the simulation. This isn't DOOM3 here.

Cajun76
03-08-2005, 10:02 PM
I think everyone needs to calm down and stop this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/ATT00046.jpg

Luckyboy has a darker side, just like the rest of us...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/darth_tater_01.jpg

However, I think ya'll should make up, and press on....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/r1908004188.jpg


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Raptor_20thFG
03-09-2005, 09:37 AM
does anybody really bloody Care