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rcocean
11-26-2006, 04:39 PM
1. Allies. US naval aviator, flying a Hellcat against the Japanese. Nice weather (mostly), superior aircraft, on the offensive. Limited tour of duty. Downside: Landing on those damn carriers, possible death when a Kamikaze hits said carriers.

2. Axis: German Nightfighter 1943-44. Sleep in days, nice quarters. Close to home. No mustangs or thunderbolts. Warm feeling from protecting innocent citizens from being firebombed. Downside: high accident rate at night.

RCAF_Irish_403
11-26-2006, 04:54 PM
you forgot the sharks in the Pacific http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

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Capt.LoneRanger
11-26-2006, 05:03 PM
Close to home.
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Yes, when you fly above your recently strafed home-town.


Sleep in days, nice quarters.
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Nice weather (mostly), superior aircraft, on the offensive.
Ah, entering service, when the tide has turned. Hopefully you're not too proud on your superior aircraft, as AA-guns and those lousy planes might still shoot you down and what was done to many prisoners, well... I wouldn't like living without my head.

Sorry, didn't mean to be blunt, but sometimes I wonder, if people take this game as an insight how things really were these days.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Udidtoo
11-26-2006, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by rcocean:
1. Allies. US naval aviator, flying a Hellcat against the Japanese. Nice weather (mostly), superior aircraft, on the offensive. Limited tour of duty. Downside: Landing on those damn carriers, possible death when a Kamikaze hits said carriers.

2. Axis: German Nightfighter 1943-44. Sleep in days, nice quarters. Close to home. No mustangs or thunderbolts. Warm feeling from protecting innocent citizens from being firebombed. Downside: high accident rate at night.


......or the grim satisfaction of protecting an artillery shell factory that is manned by slave labor from at least 7 occupied nations......see how easy it is to look inquisitive yet be provocative around this place.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-26-2006, 05:54 PM
I would sit under a palm tree in Jamaica, drink a Margarita and read the news about the war in the newspaper.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-26-2006, 06:08 PM
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11-26-2006, 06:30 PM
You go where they send you. It's not as if anyone had a choice in the matter.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-26-2006, 06:33 PM
Good grief. You make the German night fighter war in 1943-44 look like an invigorating hunting trip! British Mosquitoes were snooping nocturnally in German airspace starting in early '44, and, with the commencement of fighter ops all over the Reich in winter 1944, night fighter bases came under attack by day from strafing AAF fighters. Not only that, if you were not valuable enough, you might have been sent up the attack AAF bombers in the day in a 110 nightfighter hauling rockets!

Life in a hot, stinking, grossly over-crowded USN carrier was miserable---no Pacific cruise. Get shot-down and captured and your fate was likely too dreadful to recount. There was always the chance of running into one of the remaining Japanese hot-shots with 2,000 hours or more. Nice weather? Read about "Halsey's Typhoon" in the fall of '44.

rcocean
11-26-2006, 07:52 PM
Good grief. You make the German night fighter war in 1943-44 look like an invigorating hunting trip! British Mosquitoes were snooping nocturnally in German airspace starting in early '44, and, with the commencement of fighter ops all over the Reich in winter 1944, night fighter bases came under attack by day from strafing AAF fighters. Not only that, if you were not valuable enough, you might have been sent up the attack AAF bombers in the day in a 110 nightfighter hauling rockets!
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Hmm...on second thought, if I had to fight for the Axis, I'd prefer a tour of duty as a dayfighter in France from say April 41 to April 43. Good wine, trips to Paris, and the occasional dog fight. However, I would demand
a staff job starting in Summer of 43, and no travel to Russia!

LEXX_Luthor
11-26-2006, 09:41 PM
Its a fascinating question and one I had thought of some time ago. The more I thought, the less able I was to see any answer. The whole thing was a nightmare. Carrier ops -- scary -- especially for the Japanese. USAAF Pacific, say fancy P-38s, was year round Malaria, at best. I'd want to get home, so I'd probably join the infantry. Infantry don't Whine about flight models. Japanese infantry and marines had it real bad though. Alot of people got trapped below decks of sinking ships. I'm reminded of the Choice that pilots could make in WW1 (no parachutes) -- burn with gasoline in their falling aircraft, or jump free of the flames and fall to Earth. Most, if not all, pilots who were able to, eagerly jumped from their cockpits to escape the fire.



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LStarosta
11-26-2006, 10:14 PM
Warsaw 1944.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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I_KG100_Prien
11-27-2006, 12:38 AM
You know, I thought that being cooped up on a Ticonderoga Class CG was pretty crappy at times.. and that was minus the threat of being torpedoed, bombed, shot at by other warships et cetera, et cetera.


Sooooooooooooo thinking about what it was like to be on a warship back in WW2 with all of the above hazards is not someplace I can sit back with any type of romatic dreamery.

Nor can I find any positive sides to being strapped into a flaming wreck as it screams towards the earth at speeds that prevent my escape.... Watching my death come closer and closer at every second.

Maybe I'll strap myself into a Ball Turret in a B-17 thats been heavily damaged to the point that I can't get out.. oh and to make things even better the landing gear won't go down, so it's going to be a belly landing with me acting as the landing "cushion".

Comfy barracks... Until .50 cal machine gun fire goes ripping through it while I'm trying to squeeze in a few hours of sleep. After a frightening night of playing cat and mouse with other aircraft in a cold dark sky.

Can't wait to wake up after 2 hours of sleep in 30... eat a can of cold C-Rations not knowing if it's going to be my last because we have orders to move out. There's some pillboxes that need neutralized.

Can't wait to stack up on that door with 5 of my buddies.. getting ready to kick it open, and find out if there are a bunch of opposing combatants inside waiting to lob a frag at me, followed up by a burst of fire from an AK-47. Hell maybe we'll luck out and it'll be wired to an artillery shell instead.

Golly gee whizz being in a War is a cool Fkin place to be.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love my computer games. Nothing is better than firing up IL2 and going for a "ride" in one of my favorite vintage warbirds. Also love to load up Call of Duty online to frag and get fragged. However the caveat to that is there are such wonders as the "refly" button when I get shot down. There is a "you will respawn in 15 seconds" message when I get mowed down in CoD. Real life, unfortunatly does not have those luxuries.

Real life means real death. Real fear. The real feeling of losing your best friends. Your brother. Your father. Daddy isn't coming home...ever.

Real permanent disabilitating injuries. Real rest of your life in a wheelchair.. or walking with a prosthetic leg. Oh boy I'm the real life "Captain Hook".

I apologize for this long winded beat down into reality.. But sometimes the "Gee, wouldn't it be cool" gets on my nerves.

leitmotiv
11-27-2006, 01:45 AM
Exactly. I met people who had a good war, like an ETO P-38 pilot I met about ten years ago who was so fit-looking I would have guessed him for 65 tops at first sight. He did his tour, came out hide intact, and considered it interesting work. My father had nightmares from depth charging for years. The father of a friend had to shoot many Italian civilians on suspicion of their being fascists. I met a Ju 88 pilot whose primary missions were mining the waters right off the British coast. He was still a nervous wreck from the experience in 1978. If that wasn't enough, when the bomber units were disbanded, he was sent to a Luftwaffe Field Division on the W Front and was bombed and shelled mercilessly. Funny thing about him was that he still loved WWII airplanes and built models of them!

CHDT
11-27-2006, 02:09 AM
see how easy it is to look inquisitive yet be provocative around this place.

A Typhoon pilot sinking a civil ship-liner (four days after Hitler's suicide) full of civilians and prisoners, and then straffing the passengers in the sea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona

"After the first wave had attacked the ships, the Cap Arcona hoisted the white ensign without any effect. The ships were carrying from 7,000 to 8,000 prisoners from the German concentration camps in Neuengamme, Stutthof and Mittelbau-Dora, half of whom were Russian and Polish POWs, others from 24 nationalities, including French, Danish, and Dutch. Those reaching the shore after the sinkings were shot by SS troops, but about 350 managed to escape from the massacre; others were machine gunned by the British pilots while trying to get ashore."

leitmotiv
11-27-2006, 02:31 AM
General Sherman said "war is Hell, as well it should be, or we would like it too much."

What's the point of bringing up the pathetic CAP ARCONA business? Then the British can bring up LANCASTRIA etc etc etc. As Chuck Yeager said about being ordered to strafe German civilians in 1945, "I sure hope we win this war or we will be in big trouble."

CHDT
11-27-2006, 04:44 AM
"I sure hope we win this war or we will be in big trouble."

An SS could have said the same. Deliberately shooting civilians, identified as civilians, is a murder, plain and simple. So, this way, it could be said that Chuck Yeager is a murderer.

RCAF_Irish_403
11-27-2006, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by CHDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"I sure hope we win this war or we will be in big trouble."

An SS could have said the same. Deliberately shooting civilians, identified as civilians, is a murder, plain and simple. So, this way, it could be said that Chuck Yeager is a murderer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the only way to stop war crimes is to ban war.

the biggest war crime is to start a war in the first place.

i'm not sure what your point is other than to troll this thread<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

R988z
11-27-2006, 07:20 AM
I doubt I would have got any choice, if I ended up in the RAF like many family members I would probably have ended up in Bomber Command flying endless, long uncomfortable and nerve-wrecking (in the extreme) night raids over Europe.

Those who ended up in the infantry were sent to the Western Desert, which is probably where I would have also ended up, followed by redeployment to Papua New Guinea if I had survived that long.

darkhorizon11
11-27-2006, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by CHDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"I sure hope we win this war or we will be in big trouble."

An SS could have said the same. Deliberately shooting civilians, identified as civilians, is a murder, plain and simple. So, this way, it could be said that Chuck Yeager is a murderer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What? Leave this road alone I'm sick of the I'm a LW pilot and we fought for an evil twisted regime but the British and Americans still did some bad things too argument...

For the topic I'd have to stick with being a mid to late war American fighter pilot over Europe. Warm bed at night, adventurous lifestyle which of course can be deadly..., and plenty of girls to schmooze with and impress. For more info on this read Tumult in the Skies...

Friendly_flyer
11-27-2006, 08:10 AM
I think the early part of the war at the Western front would have been the most pleasant. The brutality of things hadn???t really caught on yet, shooting pilots in parachutes was still unsportsmanlike (and I would very quickly end up in one of those), and the chance to be captured in a civilized fashion would have been reasonable.

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fighter_966
11-27-2006, 08:17 AM
Infantry Kannas istmus but if I could choose Bf109 pilot sameplace

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11-27-2006, 03:43 PM
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11-27-2006, 03:45 PM
I would have flown for the Luftwaffe... if they let me fly the captured Spitfires.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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