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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:28 AM
Anyone know why German gunsights were offset to the right?



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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:28 AM
Anyone know why German gunsights were offset to the right?



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Zayets
10-24-2003, 08:45 AM
read the FAQ!
Wait a minute ... did you pressed Shift+F1?
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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 09:35 AM
I was wondering why they were offset in real life.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 09:35 AM
He didn't ask how to change view, he asked WHY. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 09:43 AM
So as to why:

apparently they were disturbing a normal airplane flying.

Zayets
10-24-2003, 09:47 AM
KIMURA wrote:
- He didn't ask how to change view, he asked WHY.

I know. Sorry , I couldn't hold it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:00 AM
I've seen some 'theories' as to why, but none of them were definitive proof. If anyone has any official or definitive document on why they were offset, I'd greatly appreciate it.

As far as the theories go, the first and most common speculation is with how right handed people aim better with their right eye. Try a small experiment - when you walk around in real life, first try closing your left eye, then, try closing the right eye. You'll notice seeing around with only your right eye, is much lessawkward than seeing around with only your left eye. This is because, human stereoscopic vision does not visualize the world in equal terms between the two eyes. For many right handed people, the right eye acts as the 'default standard', while the left eye measures spacial relations.

The theory goes, that even if the light reflector sights focused towards the infinite void, has got rid of any real need for the pilot to close one eye during aiming, the pilots themselves retained that habit, and will most usually rely heavily on their right eye. Thus, the sight is offest slightly to the left, so the sight is directly alligned with the right eye.

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The second theory, is much more simple. The relatively small cockpit compartments of German fighters meant that even if there were variations in actual visibility according to the adjusted seats or pilot's height, still the frontal visibility would be greatly limited. The visibility over the nose was never good in any WW2 plane, but the Germans thought of offsetting the sight to one side, on order to offer a compromise between clear, uncluttered frontal visibility, and placement of the gunsight. Since where the sight is located, doesn't matter in reflector sights(as long as the focus was right) this was no problem. In the Bf109s the Revi sights could be turned and 'tucked under' the line of sight.

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Personally, I think it was for the second reason.




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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 10:15 AM
From what I know it is because Germans had the opinion, that it is more effective to position the sight in front of an eye. (I also think it's correct, that the right eye is the stronger one.)
Other nations however felt it was more useful to have the nose look trough the sight.
I think the Germans decision was better, because vision is a stronger sense than smell, esp. in air combat.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:22 PM
kewassa im think a combination of the 2 would be more accurate then both of the seperatly.



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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:35 PM
hey JtD

great answere

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:40 PM
Jtd wrote:
"Other nations however felt it was more useful to have the nose look trough the sight.
I think the Germans decision was better, because vision is a stronger sense than smell, esp. in air combat"

Hehe! That gave me my smile of the day /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:59 PM
Thanks everyone. Something I've occasionally wondered about.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:27 PM
Pretty much the same as when you aim a rifle.You close your left eye and center right eye on crosshair.

The_Blue_Devil
10-24-2003, 04:43 PM
JtD wrote:
- From what I know it is because Germans had the
- opinion, that it is more effective to position the
- sight in front of an eye. (I also think it's
- correct, that the right eye is the stronger one.)
- Other nations however felt it was more useful to
- have the nose look trough the sight.
- I think the Germans decision was better, because
- vision is a stronger sense than smell, esp. in air
- combat.
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I shoot with my left at the range.What about the folks like me that are left eye dominant?



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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:57 PM
The_Blue_Devil wrote:
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- I shoot with my left at the range.What about the
- folks like me that are left eye dominant?
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Perhaps you would have been ordered to become right eye dominant!

The_Blue_Devil
10-24-2003, 05:37 PM
Zyzbot wrote:
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- The_Blue_Devil wrote:
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-- I shoot with my left at the range.What about the
-- folks like me that are left eye dominant?
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- Perhaps you would have been ordered to become right
- eye dominant!
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LMAO

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 07:33 PM
I remember a movie with Nicolas Cage and Tommy Lee Jones (I think it was called Firebirds) where Cage was a hotshot Apache pilot but couldn't shoot for sh1t. It turned out he was left eye dominant and the recticle for aiming came down over the right eye. He had to learn how to be right-eye dominant with Jones' coaching. It was a heart-warming movie with puppies (I think). He did learn and became the best pilot.....ever.

Also, in Dark Blue World there are a couple of cockpit shots of the Buchon/109s and the gunsight is offset to the left. I had asked once before if this was a tech fault with the film (did they print the film in reverse) or was it possible for left handed pilots to change the sight over to the other side? I didn't get an answer though.
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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:09 AM
The REVI 16B has a mechanical sight that is on center line.
I do not know if this has anything to do with way the sight is offset. I ahve never seen any written explantion as to why.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:10 AM
The REVI 16B has a mechanical sight that is on center line.
I do not know if this has anything to do with way the sight is offset. I ahve never seen any written explantion as to why.





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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:20 AM
Im right handed but left eye dominant, poor me.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 01:53 AM
Dolemite- wrote:
- Im right handed but left eye dominant, poor me.
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Yes,,,it can be a problem. Some of my students have had problems learning to shoot well just because of that very thing.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 03:06 AM
Students? What do you do?

Im a badass shot with a rifle and pistol, so being left eye dominant doesnt really matter to me.

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