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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:23 AM
I wants it and I wants it now!

No more lame excuses, just give it to me now, or I'm gonna get real upset! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 06/30/0308:26PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:23 AM
I wants it and I wants it now!

No more lame excuses, just give it to me now, or I'm gonna get real upset! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 06/30/0308:26PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:25 AM
what mustang you talking about?
i've seen mustangs in my neigh barn, is one of those is yours?



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:28 AM
It has been cancelled, they found out that it wouldn't stand a chance against a Yak or Bf without being overmodelled, it was only superiour by the sheer number available.... like everything else the americans build in those days/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:42 AM
Hmmm thats why every other country used a bolt action rifle but america used an 8 shot semi auto rifle?
Wasn't superior through numbers.
109 can outfly a p51 at low alt.
P51 can outfly at 109 at high alt.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:45 AM
pdog1 wrote:
- Hmmm thats why every other country used a bolt
- action rifle but america used an 8 shot semi auto
- rifle?
My point exactly, we only need one bullet/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Naa, just kidding, the Garand is surely a fine weapon/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:48 AM
TaZ_Attack wrote:
- I wants it and I wants it now!
-
- No more lame excuses, just give it to me now, or I'm
- gonna get real upset! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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- TaZ_Attack


Its over there.


Ye Jacobites by name, lend an ear, give an ear!
Ye Jacobites by name, lend an ear,
Ye Jacobites by name,
Your fautes I will proclaim,
Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear!
2. What is Right, and what is wrang, by the law, by the law?
What is Right, and what is Wrang, by the law?
What is Right, and what is Wrang?
A short sword and a lang,
A weak arm and a strang, for to draw!
3. What makes heroic strife, famed afar, famed afar?
What makes heroic strife famed afar?
What makes heroic strife ?
To whet th' assassin's knife,
Or hunt a Parent's life, wi' bluidy war?
4. Then let your schemes alone, in the State, in the State!
Then let your schemes alone, in the State!
Then let your schemes alone,
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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:52 AM
TaZ_Attack wrote:
- Where is my Mustang??!!


Did you check your shaded spot?
Something is stuck there, may be that P-51.





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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:09 AM
Man, but you must think CFS3 is really screwed! It has Mustangs galore! But you want to fly a Mustang in a sim based on the Eastern Front? Heck, even the Jug is best suited for ground pounding in IL2/FB, and I fly it often.

Actually, I jest you a little bit here. I'd like to fly the Mustang (with a better FM than CFS3) too. But it does seem silly to have to rely on Oleg to deliver the goods when See-EFF-ESSS-3 should have done it. Not that I'm calling you silly, mind you. I mean it's silly that an American company puts out a sim where the FM is so weak, (as well as the sounds, and some of the cockpits too) that people are clamouring for a Russian sim developer to do it right, and do it in a hurry! hahahahahahahahaha!! How twisted is that?

Well I wonder how many defectors we'll have when that iron pony finally does become flyable. It won't last against an La7, but it should give the G10 a hell of a time!
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The_Blue_Devil
07-01-2003, 02:11 AM
I want my Red Rider BB Gun too...but I don't cry about it..I'll just hope for it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:12 AM
TaZ_Attack wrote:
- I wants it and I wants it now!


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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:02 AM
its going on the 3rd party cd after the first patch, payware addon

first patch just includes the IAR Tb3 i16s under its wings and the komet.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:26 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- its going on the 3rd party cd after the first patch,
- payware addon
-
- first patch just includes the IAR Tb3 i16s under its
- wings and the komet.
-
Now I am p1ssed! Why the h3ll should we have to pay for a plane that is already in the game and was supposed to be flyable upon release! Really that is hilarious you do a cockpit and write the code great I understand that is hard work, but it is already in the game. I love the Mustang but be sure I wont pay for the Mustang we were supposed to have with the game in the first place. I can see paying for totally new planes I.E the Spitfire, P-38, even the ME-163 as they are totally new planes. Am I the only one who see's that for the ripoff it is, they are holding the P-51 hostage knowing we will all pay for their damn add-on just to get it. I will just go fly WWII fighters or something to fly my Mustang and wish they did things right, but I will have the satisfaction that I didn't get bent over like everyone else.
~S!
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P.S>
I do have faith that this is just a rumor and they will do the right thing as far as planes that just needed a cockpit and such, so I will wait and see. And let me re-iterate that I see nothing wrong with paying for a add-on that has all new planes in it like the B-17 and such.

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Message Edited on 07/01/0304:30AM by Eagle_361st

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:29 AM
jmmoric wrote:
- It has been cancelled, they found out that it
- wouldn't stand a chance against a Yak or Bf without
- being overmodelled, it was only superiour by the
- sheer number available.... like everything else the
- americans build in those days


Another uninformed opinion, based on little more than an abject hatred of all things American.



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:29 AM
The question is whether that pay-ware add-on is just a persistent rumor or if its fact. From what i have read it seems to be the former.

Ye Jacobites by name, lend an ear, give an ear!
Ye Jacobites by name, lend an ear,
Ye Jacobites by name,
Your fautes I will proclaim,
Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear!
2. What is Right, and what is wrang, by the law, by the law?
What is Right, and what is Wrang, by the law?
What is Right, and what is Wrang?
A short sword and a lang,
A weak arm and a strang, for to draw!
3. What makes heroic strife, famed afar, famed afar?
What makes heroic strife famed afar?
What makes heroic strife ?
To whet th' assassin's knife,
Or hunt a Parent's life, wi' bluidy war?
4. Then let your schemes alone, in the State, in the State!
Then let your schemes alone, in the State!
Then let your schemes alone,
Adore the rising sun,
And leave a man undone, to his fate!
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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:30 AM
Not certain but thats what I been told by ick.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:33 AM
Ive only read about it in the forums, and never from the big man himself or any other official source. That said, they might just not have made it public yet... But i still think its a rumour. It would be a bit too much for the actual company who released the game to release 3rd party add ons as pay-ware.

Ye Jacobites by name, lend an ear, give an ear!
Ye Jacobites by name, lend an ear,
Ye Jacobites by name,
Your fautes I will proclaim,
Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear!
2. What is Right, and what is wrang, by the law, by the law?
What is Right, and what is Wrang, by the law?
What is Right, and what is Wrang?
A short sword and a lang,
A weak arm and a strang, for to draw!
3. What makes heroic strife, famed afar, famed afar?
What makes heroic strife famed afar?
What makes heroic strife ?
To whet th' assassin's knife,
Or hunt a Parent's life, wi' bluidy war?
4. Then let your schemes alone, in the State, in the State!
Then let your schemes alone, in the State!
Then let your schemes alone,
Adore the rising sun,
And leave a man undone, to his fate!
Burns

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 07:41 AM
heheheHAHA I can't wait to see the whinings and pulling of teeths when P~51 meets 109k/Yak on Oleg's 50km internet dogfight maps. Their only way out is to Demand that all servers use Gulf of Finland map, with Full Real fuel consumption, and homebases on opposite ends of the map.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 08:11 AM
Oleg is going to get soooo much whining about the mustang...

when the patch comes, I'll fly it first and after that the bf-110.

I don't think that the P-51 will beat the P-39 as it is right now.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 09:23 AM
The_Blue_Devil wrote:
- I want my Red Rider BB Gun too...but I don't cry
- about it..I'll just hope for it.
-

You'll shoot your eye out kid.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 09:37 AM
ElAurens wrote:
- jmmoric wrote:
-- It has been cancelled, they found out that it
-- wouldn't stand a chance against a Yak or Bf without
-- being overmodelled, it was only superiour by the
-- sheer number available.... like everything else the
-- americans build in those days
-
-
- Another uninformed opinion, based on little more
- than an abject hatred of all things American.

No, not at all, I have absolutely nothing against american things, but the expectations to the P-51 seems like it has to be better than everything else. No doubt in my mind that it was one of the better aircrafts seen in the ETO, but if it fails against any aircraft in FB, I'm afraid it will be considered undermodelled by many (most of whom haven't even flown this beauty). But it's still flying so getting the right data shouldn't be a problem.. Right?

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 09:40 AM
Here it is...

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It will be included in vehicles & armour addon, along with Tiger and .50 cal.



Message Edited on 07/01/0309:41AM by Hristos

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 09:43 AM
I am curious.... why wouldn't a P-51D be called "wild horse" instead of "mustang"? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif "wild horse" is cool and like "hell cat"

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 10:45 AM
yanqivic wrote:
- "wild horse" is cool and like
- "hell cat"


Hellcat is cool. You read it here first/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


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Tully__
07-01-2003, 10:54 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- its going on the 3rd party cd after the first patch,
- payware addon


Can you provide a link? I haven't seen an official announcement yet that the add-on pack will be pay for.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:05 PM
jmmoric wrote:
- ElAurens wrote:
-- jmmoric wrote:
--- It has been cancelled, they found out that it
--- wouldn't stand a chance against a Yak or Bf without
--- being overmodelled, it was only superiour by the
--- sheer number available.... like everything else the
--- americans build in those days
--
--
-- Another uninformed opinion, based on little more
-- than an abject hatred of all things American.
-
- No, not at all, I have absolutely nothing against
- american things, but the expectations to the P-51
- seems like it has to be better than everything else.
- No doubt in my mind that it was one of the better
- aircrafts seen in the ETO, but if it fails against
- any aircraft in FB, I'm afraid it will be considered
- undermodelled by many (most of whom haven't even
- flown this beauty). But it's still flying so getting
- the right data shouldn't be a problem.. Right?


Thanks for the claification. My only hope for the P51 is that it is modeled correctly, which is all I ask of any of the aircraft in FB. This means that the P51 should be able to hit around 700kph in level flight at it's critical altitude. I await the patch in hopes that all of the bogus FMs currently in FB are corrected.

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Hunter82
07-01-2003, 12:15 PM
until further uber testing on the VVS side is completed no patch would be released. We wouldn't want to let the LW down now would we ? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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07-01-2003, 12:17 PM
ask the Brits they named her /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif We Americans passed it over until someone shoved a Merlin in it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:32 PM
The Americans used the P-51 with Allison power in combat as well as the A-36 version.


Hunter82 wrote:
- ask the Brits they named her
- We Americans passed it over
- until someone shoved a Merlin in it



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:49 PM
pdog1 wrote:
- Hmmm thats why every other country used a bolt
- action rifle but america used an 8 shot semi auto
- rifle?

The Russians and Germans had them too, just not
as standard issue to all troops.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:51 PM
ElAurens wrote:
- jmmoric wrote:
-- It has been cancelled, they found out that it
-- wouldn't stand a chance against a Yak or Bf without
-- being overmodelled, it was only superiour by the
-- sheer number available.... like everything else the
-- americans build in those days
-
-
- Another uninformed opinion, based on little more
- than an abject hatred of all things American.

The poster was probably joking!

Message Edited on 07/01/0311:52AM by AaronGT

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:36 PM
They are probably waiting for an add-on. Just like they screwed with us when the P-47 tease started. The thing looks done but I seriously doubt it's the patch.

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07-01-2003, 04:52 PM
LOL Gem..I like ur humor.


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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 11:54 PM
BpGemini wrote:
-
- TaZ_Attack wrote:
-- Where is my Mustang??!!
-
-
- Did you check your shaded spot?
- Something is stuck there, may be that P-51.

Hey dood, do you talk to your kids like that?

Er, on second thought nevermind, I don't wanna know.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Tell ya what Gem, since I have stayed out of the Cowace's O/T threads on the UBI IL-2 GD (as I have no desire to be a part of the O/T community and have no axe to grind anymore, I already won that war! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ) and will never bother you on any of the other forums where the O/T community hangs out, whatcha say you ignore me just like I have decided to ignore you and your ilk some time back?

I don't have time for this nasty, crude type of humor...I've limited myself to 30 minutes a day after work to discuss, learn and participate in IL-2 FB subjects only.

You'll have to find some other patsy to scapegoat from now on.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cheers,

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Message Edited on 07/01/0307:02PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 12:00 AM
ElAurens wrote:
- Thanks for the claification. My only hope for the
- P51 is that it is modeled correctly, which is all I
- ask of any of the aircraft in FB. This means that
- the P51 should be able to hit around 700kph in level
- flight at it's critical altitude. I await the
- patch in hopes that all of the bogus FMs currently
- in FB are corrected.

That's exactly why I think we should demand the Pony now!

The sooner we get them, the sooner we can go about finishing the beta testing on the Stang and point out how screwed-up it is. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Look, weve had the P-40 & P-47 for almost 6 months with their totally poor excuse for FM & DM, and we still haven't got a patch! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

How long do you think we'll have to suffer with a P-51 that won't have enough juice to out run a I-153 or Hurricane?

Come on all you Americans, repeat after me..."WHERE IS MY MUSTANG??"!!

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cheers,

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Message Edited on 07/01/0307:03PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 02:30 AM
errrm 4 months but seems like forever, so I guess 6 months is a good place in the middle. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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07-02-2003, 03:15 AM
TaZ_Attack wrote:
-
-
- -
- Tell ya what Gem, since I have stayed out of the
- Cowace's O/T threads on the UBI IL-2 GD (as I have
- no desire to be a part of the O/T community and have
- no axe to grind anymore, I already won that war!
-

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:16 AM
You didnt win sh1t nimrod!

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:25 AM
Taz declares a victory for what? Three wet dreams in one night?

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 04:51 AM
No, silly boys. Taz is claiming he is the "Father of the PL Shutdown"

Didncha hear?

UBI makes all their decisions now based on whether Taz says it should be so......

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:19 AM
Hey Heavy Dave.

That naval? P-39 would look better UNDER the bridge /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 01:18 PM
TaZ lacks intestinal fortitude.

And he didn't win squat./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 01:26 PM
He left ANOTHER squad over all this, I fail to see victory in that.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 02:36 PM
- I love the Mustang but be sure I wont pay
- for the Mustang we were supposed to have with the
- game in the first place. I can see paying for
- totally new planes I.E the Spitfire, P-38, even the
- ME-163 as they are totally new planes. Am I the only
- one who see's that for the ripoff it is, they are
- holding the P-51 hostage knowing we will all pay for
- their damn add-on just to get it.

They´ll probably pack all the finalized GB and U.S. aircraft into an expansion pack... hopefully they don´t forget to provide the appropriate maps and campaign, else the actors wouldn´t quite fit into the plot.

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