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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:50 PM
I just have to say this is all very disappointing. Its just an example of the level of integrity in the big business world today. If I pay $50 for a computer game, I expect to be able to play it. If the specs say you need 512mb of RAM, a P3 or higher, I expect that to mean what it says. I don't expect to pay $25 grand for a new car and not be able to drive it around the block, just as I don't expect to pay 50 cents for a pack of gum and not be able to chew it. This business of lying about what specs you need to play a particular game, and pasting "screen shots" all over a game box just to sell it, and then getting the thing home, loading it up on your OVERLY qualified computer and having it run like a slide show is disgusting...just another way to get the bucks out of your wallet. I'm personally sick of this misleading, lying practice that just seems to get worse.
Then people go a$$ kissing the ones that weasle those bucks out of your wallet...promising to pay more, for more disappointment are even more disgusting.
Patches, fixes, specs, screenshots, promises, promises...just fork over the cash! We'll get to the actual game playing sometime later (if ever)!
Please...if it takes 1gb of memory, a P-6, and a $1000 graphics card, just say so! I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that are willing to sell the shirt off their backs to somehow aquire the equipment needed to play the "game".
Things will never get any better, as long as we keep doling out the cash for stuff that doesn't live up to its promises. If the game gets you down, just take out the packaging and look at the pictures all over the box...somewhere out there, on someone elses computer the same slide show is going on, and someone else is $50 richer!!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:50 PM
I just have to say this is all very disappointing. Its just an example of the level of integrity in the big business world today. If I pay $50 for a computer game, I expect to be able to play it. If the specs say you need 512mb of RAM, a P3 or higher, I expect that to mean what it says. I don't expect to pay $25 grand for a new car and not be able to drive it around the block, just as I don't expect to pay 50 cents for a pack of gum and not be able to chew it. This business of lying about what specs you need to play a particular game, and pasting "screen shots" all over a game box just to sell it, and then getting the thing home, loading it up on your OVERLY qualified computer and having it run like a slide show is disgusting...just another way to get the bucks out of your wallet. I'm personally sick of this misleading, lying practice that just seems to get worse.
Then people go a$$ kissing the ones that weasle those bucks out of your wallet...promising to pay more, for more disappointment are even more disgusting.
Patches, fixes, specs, screenshots, promises, promises...just fork over the cash! We'll get to the actual game playing sometime later (if ever)!
Please...if it takes 1gb of memory, a P-6, and a $1000 graphics card, just say so! I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that are willing to sell the shirt off their backs to somehow aquire the equipment needed to play the "game".
Things will never get any better, as long as we keep doling out the cash for stuff that doesn't live up to its promises. If the game gets you down, just take out the packaging and look at the pictures all over the box...somewhere out there, on someone elses computer the same slide show is going on, and someone else is $50 richer!!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:53 PM
set it up properly /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:55 PM
I paid $40 and I CAN play it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:55 PM
Stop living in 1998, and upgrade your system. It's a flight sim. common sense should tell you it's going to take a good system to run it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:56 PM
I paid 70 CDN for it and I just feel like complaining sometimes. I usually start by picking on shabby products. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 07:58 PM
Dunno why,but I never believed in min.requirements on da box.Like I don`t believe <u>everything</u> what I see in tv or what I read.



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:00 PM
Basically, carguy believes in nothing but himself../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:01 PM
What a load of crap - I have 512 memory and my game rocks!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:03 PM
I'm disgused at people like you...

get lost from here and don't come back ever again.

Your constructive and polite post is certanly no going to solve all your emotional problems....different kind of therapy is needed..



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:05 PM
Not long ago a flight sim of this quality wouldn't have been possible. We're lucky that we can purchase the advanced FM of FB for under $50.

The game is playable on lower quality machines, but you have to turn graphics down.

I have a pretty tired old machine myself, a 1.4 t-bird, 512megs of 2100 ram, and a geforce3 ti 200 with 128 megs of ram, and the game plays very well.

All the above components could easily be gotten used for less than $150 US, so any complaint about needing really high-end hardware to run this game well is completely unfounded.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:08 PM
Yes, unfortunately system specs are ALWAYS a load of bollocks.
If you buy games regularly you should know not to pay any attention to that. It's bad practice, but also common practice, it's been like this for as long as I know.

Minimum specs means bottom line system that can launch the game without keeling over in a horrible gibbering mess.

Inform yourself before you buy a game if your system isn't up to date. I play it on a P4 2Ghz with 512 mb ram and Gforce4 and it runs fine. I guess anything less than 1Ghz and you're out of luck. Try IL2 instead (if you can get rid of FB that is) it ran alright on my P3 450.


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ZG77_Nagual
08-08-2003, 08:19 PM
Try running windows XP or 2000 with the 'min requirements' - maybe go take a dump on Billy Gate's front lawn.



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:22 PM
60 fps on excellent. I'm one satisfied customer. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:23 PM
Just what I expected. Thx for driving home my point.

ZG77_Nagual
08-08-2003, 08:26 PM
It was too drunk to drive itself.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:29 PM
zipppie wrote:
- I just have to say this is all very disappointing.
- Its just an example of the level of integrity in the
- big business world today. If I pay $50 for a
- computer game, I expect to be able to play it. If
- the specs say you need 512mb of RAM, a P3 or higher,
- I expect that to mean what it says. I don't expect
- to pay $25 grand for a new car and not be able to
- drive it around the block, just as I don't expect to
- pay 50 cents for a pack of gum and not be able to
- chew it. This business of lying about what specs
- you need to play a particular game, and pasting
- "screen shots" all over a game box just to sell it,
- and then getting the thing home, loading it up on
- your OVERLY qualified computer and having it run
- like a slide show is disgusting...just another way
- to get the bucks out of your wallet. I'm personally
- sick of this misleading, lying practice that just
- seems to get worse.
- Then people go a$$ kissing the ones that weasle
- those bucks out of your wallet...promising to pay
- more, for more disappointment are even more
- disgusting.
- Patches, fixes, specs, screenshots, promises,
- promises...just fork over the cash! We'll get to
- the actual game playing sometime later (if ever)!
- Please...if it takes 1gb of memory, a P-6, and a
- $1000 graphics card, just say so! I'm sure there's
- plenty of people out there that are willing to sell
- the shirt off their backs to somehow aquire the
- equipment needed to play the "game".
- Things will never get any better, as long as we keep
- doling out the cash for stuff that doesn't live up
- to its promises. If the game gets you down, just
- take out the packaging and look at the pictures all
- over the box...somewhere out there, on someone elses
- computer the same slide show is going on, and
- someone else is $50 richer!!
-
-



Minimum requirements work fine with most of the graphics options turned off.....

Hence the P3 or HIGHER.

HIGHER if you want more eye candy.



If you think that the "recommended system requirements" means that you can max out everything in the game then you don't have very much gaming experience, LET ALONE FLIGHT SIM experience.

Flight Sims have always been very taxing on computer systems, this has been common knowledge for a LONG time and has been regarded as common sense.

It's not the game developers fault if you lack knowledge and experience in this area.





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Message Edited on 08/08/0312:34PM by JG27_Arklight

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:31 PM
Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.....!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:31 PM
ZG77_Nagual wrote:
- It was too drunk to drive itself.


Best post in this thread!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:43 PM
zipppie, or who ever you are, anytime you feel like posting, go ask your mommy for a lolipop instead. Maybe you will forget about the nonsense you want to write.

Damn drama queens.

-

I have a dual Pentium 550 w/Win2K that runs IL-2 and FB just fine. Obviously, not with all the eye candy, but it still looks darn good, and plays online, also.

Abit BP6
Pentium 366@550 x 2
Crucial 256 PC133 x 2
GeForce Ti-4200 64Mb
Sound Blaster Live Value

I could be wrong, but I think that is a little less powerful than a computer with "1gb of memory, a P-6, and a $1000 graphics card". I think it is also less than the 'required' system specs on the FB box.

-

BTW, name one single peice of software that has been released and was perfect.

-

Not only did zipppie provide a car reference, but a bubble gum reference, too. Funny.

Anyway, how many complaints do you think car manufacturers would get if they were expected to perfectly match every driver seat to most consumers butt's?

You not only display your ignorance of software developement/producing/etc., you also show your ignorance about business in general...

"someone else is $50 richer!!"

Just an FYI, ONE PERSON does not get all the money.

-

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:52 PM
sorry guys iv got to agree with the poster on this one even if he was a littel agrasive about it. i have a p41.6 and 512 ram 9500pro way abouve the recommended specs but i only get about 20 to 30 fps and to all the guys who say tuff just upgrade thats a terrable thing to say not every one is some littel rich boy who can go and buy any lil thing thay want when thay want it some pepole have families that come first and just want to play some video games. i my self have come to relize this is a costly hobbie but i think if some one has a pc thats only a year or two old thay shouldnt have to play games that look like pong lol. i mean this game could be done on a xbox the visuls are not that great. and im not trying to pi$$ any one off im just saying you shouldnt need a 2000 doller pc to play the current games iv set this game to its lowest settings just to see what it was like and it looked like a old playstation game from 8 years ago and still i only got 40 to 50 fps i mean thats crazy. and please no rude post like ford go stick it its a rich mans game lol.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:00 PM
fordfan25 wrote:
- sorry guys iv got to agree with the poster on this
- one even if he was a littel agrasive about it. i
- have a p41.6 and 512 ram 9500pro way abouve the
- recommended specs but i only get about 20 to 30 fps
- and to all the guys who say tuff just upgrade thats
- a terrable thing to say not every one is some littel
- rich boy who can go and buy any lil thing thay want
- when thay want it some pepole have families that
- come first and just want to play some video games. i
- my self have come to relize this is a costly hobbie
- but i think if some one has a pc thats only a year
- or two old thay shouldnt have to play games that
- look like pong lol. i mean this game could be done
- on a xbox the visuls are not that great. and im not
- trying to pi$$ any one off im just saying you
- shouldnt need a 2000 doller pc to play the current
- games iv set this game to its lowest settings just
- to see what it was like and it looked like a old
- playstation game from 8 years ago and still i only
- got 40 to 50 fps i mean thats crazy. and please no
- rude post like ford go stick it its a rich mans game
- lol.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
-
- "life moves preaty fast if you dont stop and look
- around once and a while you could miss it" {Ferris
- Bueller}



"20-30 FPS" What are your settings?


"this game could be done on XBOX" Wrong.



The best part is comparing this game to Playstation....

Are you fackin' serious? Which key for the gear up? gear down? WEP power? Flaps? Weapon 1? 2? 3? Dive siren? Tail Wheel Lock? Prop Pitch settings? zoom in? zoom out? etc....? etc....?


Comparing this to Sony Playstation and saying this could have been done on XBOX are two fo the dumbest things I have ever read on here. Congratulations.





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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:02 PM
Sorry, you are too hasty to post in my opinion.
I've seen this a million times.
Two points here:
1) Athlon XP 1800+
GEFORCE 4 MX 440.
Yes.
It's the sort of graphic card that everybody says is so crappy.
Soundblaster live!
512 MB of RAM.
The game plays fine.
I only worry about enjoying it and not my rig.
Set it up right.
PC owners like to fool around with their rigs or they would buy a Playstation.
I've seen a lot of people in the forum enjoying the game with a slower rig than this.

2)It's this good because it's so demanding.
Next generation flight sims will be better because they'll have more processing power to play with.
You can't have FB and play it with a 450Mhz Pentium and be this good.

3)I would never buy a game if my rig wasn't much faster than minimum requirements.
I know you'll say this is not obligatory of course but I still think it's common sense.



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:11 PM
congrads on being an a$$ hole i ment when you turn the graghics to thayr lowest settings it looks like a p.s game and the use of me comparing it to pong was as much a joke as a statment i was just saying it seems pc games require alot of pricy hardware to do what thay do. and that it is wrong to post on the box specs that just dont work or work so terable that the games just not worth playing and that post was uncalled for i just love how some pepole act and talk and can then look thare mothers in the face. were you really raised to act like that or do you just do it wene your safe and sound in your room.if you disagree with me just say why. i dont hink i made any hate full comentis in my post but if i did then sorry.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:12 PM
S! Zippi!

I think you have voiced a sentiment that a number of people feel, but that very few take the time to post.

In UbiSoft's defence, their games do seem to run playably on systems at the minimum specs as long as you tone everything down and make sure you don't have too many processes running on your computer while you are playing the game. I have seen games though that run so poorly you can't really play them even a step above the minimum, so I know what you are talking about.

My advice to you would be to go through the settings and minimize everything so that the game takes up as few resources as possible. I'd also advise you to go through your system and look at every process running to see if you have anything you don't really need. If after you do that the game is still unplayable then you have a legitimate gripe. The game should be playable at the minimum specifications as long as you take those steps.

You'll probably find that the game runs OK. If that's the case, you can go back into the game settings and start trying to tweak out the settings to get the right mix that gives you as much eye-candy as your system can handle and still play the game acceptably.


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ZG77_Nagual
08-08-2003, 09:14 PM
Whoa Fordfan - I ran IL2 on a p4 1.6 512 with an original Radeon card and did better than that (800x600 - excellent) FB runs great on a 1.6/512 rig with a radeon 8500. You need to do some tweakage - for one thing run it at 1024x768 and if you are still pinched for frames drop landscape lighting back to high instead of excellent - it'll give you close to a 20% frame boost. Also make sure you've got the latest audio drivers.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:16 PM
my last post was at arklight my settings are preaty much all medium and it plays good in q mission just not in leningrade

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ZG77_Nagual
08-08-2003, 09:18 PM
Seriously - on the 8500 - which is slower than your 9500 pro by a good bit - just notching back landscape lighting added 10-15 fps. You may want to play with anisotropic filtering and anti-aliasing as well. Leningrade is a monster.



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:21 PM
fordfan25 wrote:
- congrads on being an a$$ hole i ment when you turn
- the graghics to thayr lowest settings it looks like
- a p.s game and the use of me comparing it to pong
- was as much a joke as a statment i was just saying
- it seems pc games require alot of pricy hardware to
- do what thay do. and that it is wrong to post on the
- box specs that just dont work or work so terable
- that the games just not worth playing and that post
- was uncalled for i just love how some pepole act and
- talk and can then look thare mothers in the face.
- were you really raised to act like that or do you
- just do it wene your safe and sound in your room.if
- you disagree with me just say why. i dont hink i
- made any hate full comentis in my post but if i did
- then sorry.
-
- "life moves preaty fast if you dont stop and look
- around once and a while you could miss it" {Ferris
- Bueller}



After translating your post into English I have come to the conclusion that you still don't make any sense.


"and the use of me comparing it to pong
- was as much a joke as a statment"

Hmmmmm...don't remember myself ever mentioning pong. But nice try there.


"i was just saying
- it seems pc games require alot of pricy hardware to
- do what thay do".

So is a fact of life. Get used to it. ALhtough, I must say that IL-2 and FB seem to run great on average systems in my experience.


"that it is wrong to post on the
- box specs that just dont work or work so terable
- that the games just not worth playing"


Actually, I used to run this game GREAT on an AMD 1.33 with almost all my settings maxed except the "perfect" setting and my view distance set to medium with a GeForce 2 GTS Pro (hardly pricey!). Sounds like it is more your computer then it is the game.



And, a$$hole is one word...for further reference. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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Message Edited on 08/08/0301:23PM by JG27_Arklight

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:22 PM
with my settings on med high visablaty sound options low at the res that just above 800/600 in black death i get about 20 avg. o and the cards settings in ogl is aa4x as4x and the other options are on high vsnc.on in q missions and about 10 plains i get a preaty steady 30 to 40 is that about right ?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:25 PM
ok a$$hole feel better

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:27 PM
Lets be practical here guys. There is huge competition in the video game market. Every game producer is trying to outdo the other. You can only do this by having more options, and better graphices. Along with accurate FM/DM's. This all takes a toll on fps. You simple can't have it both ways. If your expected to have a good looking game, and get good fps too. Your going to have to have a pretty new system. The minimum specs on a box are for minimum settings in the game. It's not too hard to understand.



btw..Ford..I hope your not thinking of me, when you say "little rich boy".

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:29 PM
fordfan25 wrote:
- ok a$$hole feel better
-
- "life moves preaty fast if you dont stop and look
- around once and a while you could miss it" {Ferris
- Bueller}



Yes.

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What video card do you have?



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ZG77_Nagual
08-08-2003, 09:29 PM
if you drop the aa/as back to 2 your frames will go way up. I run at a higher res - but I like the high frames so I run only 2x - though my system stays smooth higher. personally I like excellent settings and high frames over higher aa/as. It does sound about right for your settins ( I gather res is 1024x768x32) Now, the 1.6a p4 chip has alot of overclocking potention (one of the best for that) as does your 9500 pro if you want to go there. www.rage3d.com (http://www.rage3d.com) formums - tweaking and overclocking is a good source for info on your vid card. I ran the 1.6a at almost 2 gig for quite awhile with no special cooling - but you want to educate yourself about that first. Post over on the tech forum for more and better advice.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:33 PM
Rich?? I sold my blood for upgrade! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


fordfan25 wrote:
- sorry guys iv got to agree with the poster on this
- one even if he was a littel agrasive about it. i
- have a p41.6 and 512 ram 9500pro way abouve the
- recommended specs but i only get about 20 to 30 fps
- and to all the guys who say tuff just upgrade thats
- a terrable thing to say not every one is some littel
- rich boy who can go and buy any lil thing thay want
- when thay want it some pepole have families that
- come first and just want to play some video games. i
- my self have come to relize this is a costly hobbie
- but i think if some one has a pc thats only a year
- or two old thay shouldnt have to play games that
- look like pong lol. i mean this game could be done
- on a xbox the visuls are not that great. and im not
- trying to pi$$ any one off im just saying you
- shouldnt need a 2000 doller pc to play the current
- games iv set this game to its lowest settings just
- to see what it was like and it looked like a old
- playstation game from 8 years ago and still i only
- got 40 to 50 fps i mean thats crazy. and please no
- rude post like ford go stick it its a rich mans game
- lol./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- "life moves preaty fast if you dont stop and look
- around once and a while you could miss it" {Ferris
- Bueller}

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:47 PM
you paid 50 bucks for FB?

ps. simmer.....down......now....

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:48 PM
no buzzu i was not talking about you i was just saying i hate it when someone with tons of cash looks down on the poor guy like tuff get over it thats just mean some pepole dont know what its like to do with out.as far as oclocking im very out of luck i have a dell wich im still paying for lol o and tocool i wasnt talking about you ether. i just cheacked and in quick mission at 1000 feet and on the defuilt map with 10 plains i get between 35 and 45 fps soes that sound right. i start geting around 25 and 30 when in carear on 1945 berlin flying the yak3 and buzz i hear tou on how the companys do stuff i just dont see why the games take so much power this is my first pc but iv been useing consloes since the first atari and comaring the graghics of the current games to ps2 and xbox thayrs not alot of diff. i dont know about A.I and flight modeling mabie thats why?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:54 PM
New computer games will be requiring new hardware. It's just the way the world works.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:58 PM
Zip:

When I first bought & installed FB, I had serious issues with what I believed was sound-related stutter. Curiously, I also had some show-stopping stutter with a couple of FPS games (MOHAA and BF1942, specifically), but not with others (EAW, RTCW)! A couple of weeks ago, I noticed that BF1942 had smoothed out considerably. I was intrigued enough to reinstall MOHAA and found, to my delight, that it was smooth as silk. No idea what the problem was or what "fixed" it, as I had done nothing (driver updates, etc.) to address the problem...it just went away all by itself, it seems. Anyway, after finishing MOHAA and Spearhead, I set up and began a FB campaign and, guess what...it runs beautifully on my four year old system (albeit upgraded substantially from the original configuration). If my rig, as dated as it is (see below) will run FB as well as it does, I'd guess that anything above those specs would do at least as well, probably better. Anyway, I hope you are able to get it to run. IMO, FB is the best propsim available at present, and I am thoroughly satisfied with it. In fact, it is running SO well, that I'm hesitant to attempt to patch it, for fear of buggering it up! Trust me: once you get it to run, you will be hard pressed to go back to any other WW2 propsim.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:00 PM
I found that with 512 meg of ram my campaigns were jerky and suffered slowdown over cities or in large dogfights. It was never serious to be classed as a showstopper but no one likes low FPS so it did bother me to a certain extent.

I soon installed another 512 megs of ram and on full details yada, yada, yada my game runs like a gem now even in large air battles (whilst over cities).

Sometimes computers can be a money pit. You just need to decided if its worth it/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:13 PM
Consoles are entirely different in development and application Ford. They only have to code for one system, the console, and they know its exact capabilities. PC game developers have to try and optimize for a ton of different OS, chipsets(both video and CPU), sound cards and drivers, et al. A momumental task to optimize a game for every system.
The thing that bugs me about people complaining is that they start a thread like this in GD, just to complain, instead of going to the tech support first. Than they don't even list their specs, showing they were here just to whine and not really to get any help. Not including Ford in that last comment, and it seems your FPS is pretty good and could be better with some adjustments that people have mentioned. If your getting a smooth 30fps(no stutters) that is plenty fast and the human eye and brain really does'nt notice a difference much over that. Not sure why you thought you would get high FPS when flying over a large city, very few of us do.

Also it is very easy to research a game nowdays before you buy it. Places like this have a wealth of info that you could use and compare against your system and make an educated decision. I never just go buy a game because I saw a good review on it. It only takes a few minutes to go to a few message boards, read some post and go from their.

It is also assumed by designers that people buying PC games have at least a rudimentry knowledge of how their computer works.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:22 PM
yea that kinda clears it up with all the diff. cpus and cards. and smokejag what cpu do you have?

"life moves preaty fast if you dont stop and look around once and a while you could miss it" {Ferris Bueller}

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:38 PM
Hi yah zippie.


If I were you, I would buy Microsoft Combat flight simulator 3. Install it and play it. That ought give you something to REALLY b%&ch about! My father bought it (after I specifically told him not to) and it made me ashamed that Microsoft could be called an American company. Plus he made Bill Gates $50.00 richer by buying a piece of thin, circular ,plastic dog-s**t! Be happy and upgrade your system.

Capt. Arnold

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:54 PM
well said cpt.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:20 PM
Where I'm from Zippie, we have a saying. Roughly translated it says, "If one guy tells you you have a bump on your head, ignore him. If two guys tell you you have a bump on your head, better feel it!"

You've probably noticed, and chose to ignore apparently, the many replies to your post stating success in running FB on rather meager hardware. I suggest you learn how to use your computer properly because from what I can see, there's a 99% chance your problem is between the chair and keyboard! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Hunter82
08-08-2003, 11:34 PM
whole lotta a$$holes in 1 post..... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Calm down you yo-yo's or we'll go medieval on your buttocks.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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