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ARCHIE_CALVERT
04-03-2008, 03:52 PM
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DKoor
04-03-2008, 04:13 PM
When Robin Olds said that one must respect it... man knew the business.

Rjel
04-03-2008, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
When Robin Olds said that one must respect it... man knew the business.

Hang on a few then. Someone will be along shortly to explain it away as just an old man's memory. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

crucislancer
04-03-2008, 04:52 PM
Great read! Thanks for that, Archie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BoCfuss
04-03-2008, 06:42 PM
This post is off-topic, I mean really, no cheerleaders, anti-(name a race, religion or country), cheerleaders, weird headlines and there are no cheerleaders in this post. Wrong forum be sure.

VW-IceFire
04-03-2008, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
When Robin Olds said that one must respect it... man knew the business.

Hang on a few then. Someone will be along shortly to explain it away as just an old man's memory. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its a good article and he says nothing that the plane doesn't do in the game. Relativity and interpretation notwithstanding http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sgilewicz
04-04-2008, 11:17 AM
But he never flew the P-47 so what does he know? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Really, that was great read and does reinforce much of what we have read over the years. Thanks!

stalkervision
04-04-2008, 12:24 PM
I will take the p-38,the Mustang is over-rated.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_CUDA
04-04-2008, 12:37 PM
I believe the 38 flys pretty close to its real life counterpart in game with the Obvious exception of compressability. (IMO from what I've read about its habits). but where this game lacks is in the modeling of the other aircraft in torque. I've ready many accounts of the torque being extreme enough to worry a pilot about almost flipping his aircraft when he slams the throttle or when at low speeds.

Stew278
04-04-2008, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I believe the 38 flys pretty close to its real life counterpart in game with the Obvious exception of compressability. (IMO from what I've read about its habits).

Isn't compressability modeled in the game? I have a bad habit of flying right into the ground in the P-38J when doing ground attacks because I dive too fast and just can't get any elevator response. Seems like once I go over 650kph or so it just doesn't pull out.

berg417448
04-04-2008, 01:11 PM
I think he's commenting on the way compressibility is modeled in game.

P-38s were used as dive bombers in the real world.

http://p-38online.com/exp.html

Divebomber
The utilization of the P-38 as a dive-bomber found its origins in North Africa in 1943. One of the problems in the MTO at this point was a fleet of flak barges (Siebel Ferries), which were designed for Hitler's Operation Sea Lion. They posed a constant threat to bombers and fighters. In addition to their elusiveness, they also were escorting the sea blockade from Tunis to Bizerte, and were able to re-supply Rommell's desert army. The 12th Air Force tried to level bomb the barges, but they were too nimble to hit. Low-level bombing missions by B-25s were simply too dangerous. Air Chief Marshall Sir Author Tedder requested Lt. Col. Ralph Garman to take care of the problem.

The 27th Fighter Squadron of the 82nd Fighter Group commonly used skip-bombing techniques. Major Weltman described bombing missions as, "We tried skip-bombing on the Siebel Ferries, but I'll tell you that that was no damn fun. Even with P-38s coming in from at least three different directions at once, the Germans put up enough flak at us in the run-in to make life downright uncomfortable." Results from skip-bombing the barges forced the 82nd to refocus efforts on developing true dive-bombing techniques. The P-38 possessed dive capabilities equal to most others, therefore it built up tremendous diving speeds. Higher speeds resulted in longer recovery time from the dive. Pilots would rarely dive when they were starting at 12,000 feet and under, and would not dive when starting higher than 20,000 feet because of compressibility problems. In a short time, the P-38 G was one of the finest dive-bombing platforms during the war. It could come in and deliver the bombs, but could take immediate evasive actions and could fight like a true fighter. Under Weltman's leadership, the German flak barges would begin to take more and more losses, which caused the morale of the American pilots to soar.

The good results from the dive-bombing missions against the Siebel Ferries caused Major Weltman to think about using the P-38 as a maritime raider. Weltman would eventually lead a flight of P-38s of the 1st Fighter Group on April 13, 1943. The plan was for each P-38 to skip-bomb the cruiser Gorizia with their 1,000 lb. bombs. The cruiser was severely damaged, and many smaller vessels were also hit. No P-38s were lost in this mission. Once initial reservations about diving the P-38 were overcome, they would soon excel in dive-bombing many types of targets and were generally successful.

BSS_CUDA
04-04-2008, 01:14 PM
it IS modeled in the game but it is incorrect, by all historical accounts Below 25,000 ft it was not an issue.
The P-38 had a Mach limit of .68,
At 20K ft .68Mach is 480 mph. in game the 38 starts to compress at 380MPH regardless of altitude and doesn't let up, and the lower you go the higher your speed should be. thats why it is improperly modeled in game