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VBF-83_Hawk
12-18-2004, 10:53 AM
I demand a recount....lol


I wanted to point out something. Review the following votes honored by Oleg.

Results (677 votes counted so far):

249 (37%) Keep the black dots!!
193 (29%) Leave the dots out of the game!
226 (33%) Maybe it is best for everybody to make the black dots an option in the realism settings.

Look closely,
249 Keep Black Dots
419 Dont keep Black Dots/Make it a Setting Option

If "Dont keep Black Dots" wasnt an option, where do you think those votes would go?

249 Keep Black Dots
419 Make it a Setting Option

Tally numbers look different now huh?

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=3191061342&showpollresults=Y

VBF-83_Hawk
12-18-2004, 10:53 AM
I demand a recount....lol


I wanted to point out something. Review the following votes honored by Oleg.

Results (677 votes counted so far):

249 (37%) Keep the black dots!!
193 (29%) Leave the dots out of the game!
226 (33%) Maybe it is best for everybody to make the black dots an option in the realism settings.

Look closely,
249 Keep Black Dots
419 Dont keep Black Dots/Make it a Setting Option

If "Dont keep Black Dots" wasnt an option, where do you think those votes would go?

249 Keep Black Dots
419 Make it a Setting Option

Tally numbers look different now huh?

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=3191061342&showpollresults=Y

Zen--
12-18-2004, 11:27 AM
Personally I see those numbers like this:

475 Keep the Dots/Dots Optional
193 Leave the Dots out.



I guess I see the glass as half full http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jeroen-79
12-18-2004, 11:41 AM
I guess there are 2 sides to it.

1. Do you want to play with black dots?
-Yes, always
-No, never
-Sometimes
2. Do you want others to play with black dots?
-Yes, always
-No, never
-If they want to

Only with the 3rd choices would it need to be optional.

I think that allowing people to customize their sim makes everyone happy.
Just give us a set of tools and let us figure it out.

Serverhosts who think others should play it their way could always adjust their server's settings.

VBF-83_Hawk
12-18-2004, 03:24 PM
Im for ther server option dots settings

Recon_609IAP
12-19-2004, 09:55 AM
our numbers here pale in comparision to Russian forum, the voting in Russian forum likes the current dots.

Additionally, Oleg has stated the next version will keep the current 3.02bm dots with a tad higher visibility for ground objects.

Think of our vote as like a state with a electorial vote of 3, whereas Russia population of PF etc is like 20

Side note: Russia sold more copies of PF than US. Maybe it's time to tell your friends to buy a copy (or all those that pirate should buy their copy - shame on them!)

WWMaxGunz
12-19-2004, 04:38 PM
Finally upgraded my hardware, both videocard and memory and....

WOW, I can see dots down below against green Smolensk at near 2km away, with icons to tell
me how far and make finding easy but hey I was testing vis ranges and the dots are visible
for me now. Before it was no way, now it is way. If I were fighting against someone with
hardware as I had, I could lose them just by being lower and distance alone even while they
watch unless they have PL on or icons. If they have PL on then they will be blind to anyone
else not near me, if icons then I should understand well how it is as I was there days ago.

Without icons it would take me a lot of staring hard to find if there are planes below unless
they get maybe 1 km close. The new videocard is middle-value not real good (GF 5200 FX, 128M)
but compared to before (GF2MX 400, 64M) it is great and I stand a better chance. Well against
ground below I stand any chance at all outside maybe 500m! I can spot to 2km now! And I pity
anyone who is running less.

Options... icons is the next step down IMHO.

Ugly_Kid
12-20-2004, 12:00 AM
Well I had GF2 and upgraded to Radeon 9600Pro, off went the dots. Was nice to be finally able to try the perfect stuff and so on, the joy did not last very long. Before PF it was no use, however, since only the excellent worked for spotting someone at higher than shooting distance. Now with PF the spotting worked - for awhile. Currently I am worse off than ever with this patch. Should I change the GF2 back to the machine? Thx a lot people for that lobbying...

JG54_Arnie
12-20-2004, 02:40 AM
Ofcourse you realise you're playing a beta and then you are actually required to report problems like that so that Oleg can do something about it and find out where your problem is coming from??

Sig.Hirsch
12-20-2004, 09:36 AM
What would be unfair is to take into account those votes of this forum :

the community is not represented here in this forum where essentially english speakers and americans post here .

What about the Russians and Europeans non english speakers or not bothered to post here because of the aggressivity of this forum and unfriendly atmosphere , and offliners who don't even know this forum exist or this particular thread ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (more than 70%of the community , they bought the game too )

A correct poll would be a poll in all major forums like russian , german , french , spanish etc.. forums and get the results to compare it with this one .

Ugly_Kid
12-20-2004, 10:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Ofcourse you realise you're playing a beta and then you are actually required to report problems like that so that Oleg can do something about it and find out where your problem is coming from?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think this forum is all about? Ah wait they don't read it? What a surprise, I try to reduce the reading part as well. It was said quite often enough that previous "beta" (as well but since the whole thing, even from the box, is a beta where's the difference?) solved quite a few of this sort of problems for quite a few users. Note: this is not even a high end low end hardware question. It's nice that only those who say "ya, I have no problems I can see everything" get the attention and the have to put up with the most screwed visuals ever! Nowadays not even excellent is the solution it seems.

Now greetings from the battle of flydroppings - easy task guess the number and type of enemies in the picture within 500 m distance:
http://people.freenet.de/hausberg/battle_of_flycrap.jpg

lbhskier37
12-20-2004, 11:18 AM
Thank you Russian forum for trying to stop this descrimination towards people with descent hardware.

Abbuzze
12-20-2004, 04:33 PM
You should know that recounts don´t work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

T_Rom
12-21-2004, 09:28 AM
Yes the voting was unfair. Reason? I, for example, voted against "Big dots" (3,01), but 3.02b made dots invisible against ground (from high altitude). So I want opportunity to change my vote.

And I am not the only one who thinks that 3.02b dots are less visible than 3.0. There are many frustrated players in Bellum war who think this as well. Many such comments have been made in the game chat as well as Bellum forum.

faustnik
12-21-2004, 04:32 PM
3.02b has the worst a/c visibility at any range yet. The sad thing was a lot of effort was made to make it better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

WWMaxGunz
12-21-2004, 05:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
Well I had GF2 and upgraded to Radeon 9600Pro, off went the dots. Was nice to be finally able to try the perfect stuff and so on, the joy did not last very long. Before PF it was no use, however, since only the excellent worked for spotting someone at higher than shooting distance. Now with PF the spotting worked - for awhile. Currently I am worse off than ever with this patch. Should I change the GF2 back to the machine? Thx a lot people for that lobbying... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well the 128M 5200 FX cost $43 delivered....
It can't run Perfect or excellent but only medium graphics at full range so maybe just
crank some of those options down a bit. Normal objects, medium lighting, that kind of
thing. For me the alternative is lower graphics or occasional slideshow with the stick
being ignored for seconds at a time, literally.

With the GF2 I ran medium-low graphics settings and still view range at medium and the
occasional drop in FR like over much anything at all, and of course all planes below
with great to perfect camo at least until about 500m close, except for planes not camo
for what was below, grey Betty's against blue ocean or green turf.

WWMaxGunz
12-21-2004, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sig.Hirsch:
What would be unfair is to take into account those votes of this forum :

the community is not represented here in this forum where essentially english speakers and americans post here .

What about the Russians and Europeans non english speakers or not bothered to post here because of the aggressivity of this forum and unfriendly atmosphere , and offliners who don't even know this forum exist or this particular thread ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (more than 70%of the community , they bought the game too )

A correct poll would be a poll in all major forums like russian , german , french , spanish etc.. forums and get the results to compare it with this one . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't have lots of people here not English, Canadian, Australian or US? Please! Many!
How many non-english first language are not also on other forums and voting there as well?
How many english first language people are on other forums at all? Sorry but my Francais
has been too rusty for 30+ years now, shame I didn't have net resource then or I could
have kept going! No practice, lose.