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Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 02:12 PM
that anyone could actually click on this link after pt I


but now that youre here, might as well get a chuckle out of this, as i did



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/250.jpg

T_O_A_D
05-08-2007, 02:13 PM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Fish on!!!!!!!!!!</span>


Ooh my Posts: 4800 | Registered: Sat July 12 2003, what a nice even number, I think I'll just keep editing it, so I don't loose it.

Think anyone will come back to here, to see what I have to say LOL

Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Fish on!!!!!!!!!!</span>

hehe

nah, i know even fanbois arent that stu.................ooh, wait, this is nUBIe forum...nevermind

dunno...but ill edit too, so's you dont get lonely


theres really not an agenda..its jsut funny stuff is all....what can i do? UBI/1C oozes content rife for satire

LStarosta
05-08-2007, 02:20 PM
And yet Oleg didn't mind modelling the R-2800 as a glass-jaw engine.

I call bullsh*t!

Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 02:22 PM
see TOAD, you didnt have long to wait http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LStarosta
05-08-2007, 02:29 PM
Yes, and Oleg didn't have problems modeling the Me-262 unreliable easy-flame engines...

The Russian Bias in this game makes me nauseous.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-08-2007, 02:38 PM
His explanation:

The 262 engines were designed that way, the sovjet engines were more stable by design.

...


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bremspropeller
05-08-2007, 02:41 PM
FNEB!

mbfRoy
05-08-2007, 02:42 PM
Pretty much like the Ta-183 description on the tail. It was done for gameplay purposes most likely. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

T_O_A_D
05-08-2007, 02:43 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Smilies/7_3_112.gif

Rammjaeger
05-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Low reliability of aircraft engines and certain types of cannons and machine guns isn't modelled either. I don't think it's a case of pro-russian bias. Guns never get jammed, engines never cut out (except the ones that didn't have decent fuel injection), shells never explode in barrel of cannons etc.

LStarosta
05-08-2007, 05:47 PM
I don't think it's a case of pro-russian bias.

You are wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Messaschnitzel
05-08-2007, 06:39 PM
The I-250 somehow reminds me of a deformed version of the Dewoitine 520. If you are making a "Battle of France" scenario, you can fool the German AI by giving the I-250 a French paint job and maybe win the campaign single-handedly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BillyTheKid_22
05-08-2007, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Smilies/7_3_112.gif



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEXX_Luthor
05-08-2007, 07:15 PM
Russian Bias beats Microsoft Bias. :thumps: do'h http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

A better and more reliable matchup enginewise would be afterburning Yak-19 and F-82 Twin Zwilling (merlin) and (flyable) B-50 for a 1948 addon.

FritzGryphon
05-09-2007, 02:50 AM
American and German bias is so overdone. At least Russian bias is more novel.

But what is really needed is French bias. They really had best planes, be sure.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-09-2007, 03:00 AM
At least Russian bias is more novel

Not really. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

DKoor
10-29-2007, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Yes, and Oleg didn't have problems modeling the Me-262 unreliable easy-flame engines...

The Russian Bias in this game makes me nauseous. I miss this guy.... where he hides these days?
BTW good points.
I wish we can model uncomfortable throttle lever............. or transfer boosted P-40 sturdiness...
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/Kuna_/fb/description_p40e.jpg
...to some other IL2 planes to let's say paper DMed Yak or LA.... so they burn or get insta engine stoppage 7,62 perhaps more rarely.

MEGILE
10-29-2007, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/250.jpg

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

funniest post 2007.


srry daai i didn't see this thread before I lerche ranted.

Viper2005_
10-29-2007, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
His explanation:

The 262 engines were designed that way, the sovjet engines were more stable by design.


I think that I can expand upon that.

The German axial flow turbojets didn't have a lot of surge margin. Open the throttle too fast and they'd surge. Every time.

That's not a reliability issue; it's simply the nature of the beast. Take a brand-new engine, built perfectly according to the design drawings and that's what it'll do.

OTOH, many aircraft and engines didn't age well, or suffered from manufacturing defects, sabotage etc..

It seems that Oleg has sidestepped this whole area of simulation, quite reasonably IMO, on the basis that nobody wants to randomly die through no fault of their own due to bad maintenance, or bad construction, or sabotage etc...

So if you take the view that the I-250's engine would have worked if built according to the drawings and correctly maintained, then it's quite reasonable and consistent not to model failures brought about by those factors.

OTOH, one might point out that it's somewhat unfair to afflict some aircraft and engines with handling issues whilst neglecting the issues of others (the P-47's CEM leaves a lot to be desired - as does most CEM in general, the P-38's "compressibility" behaviour is extremely unrealistic etc.). Then again, it's a game.

Haigotron
10-29-2007, 04:17 PM
Viper2005_ you have 3 hands!! :O gasp!

waffen-79
10-29-2007, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
But what is really needed is French bias. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">They really had best planes</span>, be sure.

I am laugh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

han freak solo
10-29-2007, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
The Russian Bias in this game makes me nauseous. I miss this guy.... where he hides these days? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LStar was great entertainment. He got the Uber ban a while back. I have my suspicions he snuck in a few days ago as Captain Iceman and promptly got banned again.

flyingloon
10-30-2007, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
The Russian Bias in this game makes me nauseous. I miss this guy.... where he hides these days? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LStar was great entertainment. He got the Uber ban a while back. I have my suspicions he snuck in a few days ago as Captain Iceman and promptly got banned again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
gah, no fair, he's teh funnay

DKoor
10-31-2007, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
The Russian Bias in this game makes me nauseous. I miss this guy.... where he hides these days? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LStar was great entertainment. He got the Uber ban a while back. I have my suspicions he snuck in a few days ago as Captain Iceman and promptly got banned again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>LoL if he's the Cpt.Iceman, he went on hack-paranoia spree...... I tracked that thread for a while.......

In any case too bad he's not around.

Of course only if he changes that avatar of his.

Whirlin_merlin
10-31-2007, 01:17 PM
OK maye I'm being thick here but 'unreliable' and 'likly to blow up if you throttle too quick arn't the same thing'.
Is it possible to model reliable vs unreliable in this game?
Wouldn't that need a random failures feature type thingy, can IL2 do that?
If IL2 can't will SOW be able too 'cos it would be a nice touch.

Viper2005_
10-31-2007, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Haigotron:
Viper2005_ you have 3 hands!! :O gasp!

Merely sleight of hand, I assure you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Uther
10-31-2007, 01:34 PM
Personally I would love it if Oleg factored in some form of unreliability in the planes in SoW.If a plane was an unreliable death trap IRL,thats how it should be in game.

Daiichidoku
10-31-2007, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
If a plane did not exist IRL,thats how it should be in game.

fixed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


( +1 for the rest thohttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

han freak solo
10-31-2007, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Personally I would love it if Oleg factored in some form of unreliability in the planes in SoW.If a plane was an unreliable death trap IRL,thats how it should be in game.

That would suck in a combat sim, I think. I don't want to be toolin' along for 30 minutes and have an engine failure put me behind enemy lines ending my offline career before I reach a combat area. What a letdown. I could do that in an old car.

If I'm gonna go down behind enemy lines in a combat sim, it had better be due to someone shooting me out of the sky and sending me to a fiery grave.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Now if I was flying a non-combat sim like MFS, mechanical breakdowns would break the monotony, that's for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

JG52Uther
10-31-2007, 05:01 PM
Well of course you should have an option to turn it off if you wanted to http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

alert_1
11-01-2007, 03:34 AM
Dont forget that Russian RD10/20 - captured BMW003/JUMO004 were very reliable becacuse tovarisch Stalin ordered so...