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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 02:42 PM
I like to involve in a face-to-face dogfight with a 109-K4 against a Yak-3 or La-7, all aces, built with QMB.

When I have the advantage I use to destroy the enemy, but I have not been able to win if I loose the advantage during flight.

Allways destroyed if the enemy gets my tail.

How can I change the disadvantage situation?

How can you take off an ace Yak-3 or La-7 that is following you?

Some tracks would be very apreciated.

Thanks in advance.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 02:42 PM
I like to involve in a face-to-face dogfight with a 109-K4 against a Yak-3 or La-7, all aces, built with QMB.

When I have the advantage I use to destroy the enemy, but I have not been able to win if I loose the advantage during flight.

Allways destroyed if the enemy gets my tail.

How can I change the disadvantage situation?

How can you take off an ace Yak-3 or La-7 that is following you?

Some tracks would be very apreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Zayets
09-16-2003, 02:47 PM
Dive!Dive!Dive!

AI can't be fooled like human players online. they will follow you till they'll wate the ammo and only then they will dissengage. if you are low they kinda loose a bit this appetite for destruction although they will still following you. Quite funny bearing in mind that the K4 was an altitude fighter.Well , they are AI , nothing more to say. Avoid their fire and pay back when they are outta ammo.La7 and Yak3 they don't have such a big amount of fire.

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:12 PM
Could you, please, post some track?

Thanks.

Zayets
09-16-2003, 03:19 PM
i would like to post a track but ;
1. I'm still at work (soon to leave home)
2. I don't have a host where to put it up /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
3. I have to avoid my wife sneaking in the attic where the computer is and substract myself from my duties of husband and father in the middle of the week. Maybe tonight.
4. There are many fighter pilots way better than I am. I am a proud vulcher and mudmover in my jug/il2 and in the future IAR 81C

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:27 PM
Zayets wrote:

- 3. I have to avoid my wife sneaking in the
- attic where the computer is and substract myself
- from my duties of husband and father in the
- middle of the week. Maybe tonight.


I feel ya brother! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif





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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:44 PM
depends what you are fighting, most i try and just dive and kinda outrun, then climb up when i have the proper distance and do a rope a dope...

Where u climb up, the instinct of the pursure is to follow.... Ai are dumb, they always follow up to a certain speed then try leveling out and slowly climbing which makes them targets... Problem is make sure you have the energy and distance to no get shot to bits.

But if you are fighting an La7 or something faster than you, the only thing I can think of is to dive really fast, the La7 breaks at 650 - 700 ish, so if you go 800 then it shouldn't be able to follow, come back later to fight but... Like I said this is theoritical. Still figuring something out in this situation.

Tracks, well i just got to work, I am sure someone doesn't browse these forums while they are at work to show you.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:53 PM
TIBUSH, you can tak a look on an old thread titled "Can anyone beat an AI ACE La-7 w/ K4 in QMB post 1.1b at same alt and advantage....!!!" (dating 08/23/03).
There, a certain gutted_666 claimed to have a tactic to beat a La7 ace being on a K-4. He provided some videos:

3 different 1v1's in this one
http://home.sw.rr.com/gutted/gutted_la7ace_k4.zip

While it's an effective (but boring) tactic, it is not realistic at all in a 1 vs 1 combat.
Moreover, I have tried to do the same as gutted_666 did, but it worked only once over at least 10 times. However, when I set La-7's AI to Average (instead of Ace), it worked almost everytime.
The reason may be:

1 - I am a bad (or "average") pilot... quite true, indeed! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
2 - He cheated claiming the La7 was Ace, when it was just average.
3 - He is an excellent pilot, and in this case I'll put off my hat to him and excuse for my disbelief.

Look at the videos: in all of them, he climbs (MW50 on, radiator closed and manual pitch) like a missile. The La-7 tries to follow, but since it comes from K-4's 12, it must do a 180? turn while following up the K-4, thus losing A LOT of E.
That's what Average AI does.
Ace AI can catch you, and anyway it doesn't let you shot it like a dead duck (as you see on these movies).
Bye

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 04:42 PM
Cippacometa wrote:
- TIBUSH, you can tak a look on an old thread titled
- "Can anyone beat an AI ACE La-7 w/ K4 in QMB post
- 1.1b at same alt and advantage....!!!" (dating
- 08/23/03).
- There, a certain gutted_666 claimed to have a tactic
- to beat a La7 ace being on a K-4. He provided some
- videos:
-
- 3 different 1v1's in this one
- <a
- href="http://home.sw.rr.com/gutted/gutted_la7ace_k
- 4.zip"
- target=_blank>http://home.sw.rr.com/gutted/gutted_
- la7ace_k4.zip</a>



Thanks, but...I have these tracks, and the K-4 is allways in advantage in them.

I mean, any tracks of a player changing the situation from disadvantage to advantage against an ace Yak-3, La-7 or K-4?

Would be interesting to study the maneuvres and tactics.

(Sorry for my english)

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 05:00 PM
I usually do a Split-S (half barrel roll onto your back and pulling back on the stick)

The nice thing about this is, if your aircraft is excellent at diving then you have an even better chance of throwing your enemy off. It's not very predictable, but beware, they might still be able to follow you.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 05:01 PM
When i get trapped by superior pilots/AI there are several things i do: I either become offensive or defensive in aircraft attitude, namely do i fly to position myself for a kill or do i fly to escape an attacker?

Trying to place myself in a position to counter-attack, requires that i push my plane to the limit - i most often fly the Me-109, so i'll use it as an example.

Offensive High Altitude:

Up at altitude the simple matter is to dive, push forward on the stick and gain vital speed and distance that'll allow you to re-position yourself into your favoured attack position. Ample altitude is the easiest way to rid yourself of an enemy, particularly if the enemy has a carburettor based plane ie Hurricane or I16; they cannot push forard on the stick as gravity will deny effective fuel delivery through the carbs - meaning loss of power hence speed a fuel injected plane ie Me-109 will make a swift getaway.

Offensive Medium Altitude:

Again you can elect to simply dive and gain speed but be wary that by the time you gain sufficient speed you'll be at low altitude severely restricting your vertical plane movement. Another option is to start learning how to effect stalls in your plane and how to recover them. The Me-109 has leading edge slats making serious stalls fairly difficult to perform, but not impossible, it also has a fairly high stall speed. If you learn the stall characterisitics of your aircraft then you'll want to learn how to start one and how to get out of it, once you can do this you have an effective means of escape and manuveur. Of course stall turning puts you at risk if you're not prepared to follow through, but often enough with enough altitude you'll be able to instigate a high-speed stall and get your guns onto the enemy craft or at the very least force them to stall or wildly maneuveur to get back on your six. Usualli at high speed i'll side slip the aircraft then hit the rudder harder and feel the plane sharply drop and enter a stall giving me a 90 degree turn in a very short distance and in a position to dive regain lost speed and to then climb and attack. A low speed stall can flip your plane if you make violent maneveurs ie quick aerilon roll which is great for confusing the enemy but can be difficult to recover from.

Offensive low altitude.

Really you worst nightmare is this type of combat, you'll lose the vertical 109 capabilities and enter a turn fight which is quite difficult to win in the 109, but still quite possible. You'll need luck and a bit of daring to win though, and often you'll need to move mud with the craft to gain dips of speed and altitude. Wild, yet controlled maneveurs will win the day, and you'll need to learn how to ride on the edge of and how to force small stalls that'll drop your airspeed but not too much altitude. Well practiced maneveurs such as a high G yo-yo may become necessary to help in repositioning. Entering a scissors fight with a low slow aircraft will get you killed, so improvise and throw your crate around the sky. Often in the 109 i'll keep a tight turn fight going then at full power quickly dive what little altitude i have, full flaps and haul back on the stick and get some major altitude (well more than my attacker), stall turn at the top of the climb and enter into a more favourable position for myself.

Defensive high altitude.

Speed, speed and speed will be your method of escape pure and simple, dive and use any cloud cove you find.

Defensive Medium altitude.

Stall turns again are a great method of escape and of course the old reliable dive is essential as well.

Defensive low altitude.

Out fly the enemy make him crash is actually something i really enjoy, sure you don't get a "kill" claim for it, but it sure gets them off of your tail and that's the goal. It's very basic ride the edge of a stall and then keep it up for as long as possible, rudder adjustments are necessary to keep you jinkig about enough that the attacker has to slow down enough and sink to get a decent shot - this means they are nearing stall speeds as well. Often they'll reach that limit and then stall and crash at low altitude, of course you run this exact same risk so know your stall parameters. Sideslips, dives, jinks and scissoring will get your opponent in a poor position wven though they are at attack! Remember that the rudder and flaps may assist you greatly in such combat. I find that force feedback joysticks have improved my stall flying immensely in FB.

Of course these are just what i do, and may be of no use to you or anyone else, but i find them effective i clearin gmy tail of both single and multiple attackers. It's really a matter of knowing your aircraft's limitations not the enemys ability./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 05:27 PM
Very interesting.

Can you post some tracks?

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 05:33 PM
Try to outclimb the enemy using a spiral climb. Altitude is you best friend in a 109. Diving should be your absolute last resort.


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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 07:44 PM
- I like to involve in a face-to-face dogfight

That's your problem right there. Entering a fight with even odds gets you killed about half the time. Try a face-to-tail surprise attack: your face, his tail.

- I have not been able to win if I loose
- the advantage during flight.

Lose advantage, lose the fight.

- Allways destroyed if the enemy gets my tail.

That's usually what happens, so stop letting them do that! :P

- How can I change the disadvantage situation?

Accept disadvantage situations as a bad thing. Avoid bad situations. Do not merge unless you have superior energy and surprise.

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- How can you take off an ace Yak-3 or La-7 that is
- following you?

here are some ideas,
1. Extend and climb above 6000m.
2. Lose them in a cloud
3. Drag n bag with a wingman

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