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vocatx
03-06-2006, 04:25 PM
I haven't been around all that long, and with all the talk of the new add-ons and BoB coming in the not too distant future, I had a question. At what point relative to the release of Forgotten Battles did support for the original Il-2 Sturmovick cease?

I think knowing this might help silence some of the nay-sayers when it comes to both the future of FB/PF, and the coming of BoB. No hidden motives here, just a search for the history of our favorite sims.

Taylortony
03-06-2006, 04:32 PM
It ceased upon it's release, the reason being that Forgotten Battles was going to be a bought add on along the lines of a patch, but the thing grew so big with the amount of new items, maps etc they altered it and made it a standalone. A lot was because they filled 2 cd's with it and they still had more, but Originally we were looking forward to it much like AEP when that was released, Forgotten Battles was going to be an add on in the same ilk as AEP............ It just out grew that Idea.

F6_Ace
03-06-2006, 04:33 PM
support in terms of patches?

as above.

stopped with immediate effect.

BlitzPig_DDT
03-06-2006, 04:34 PM
Huh?

IL2 ended when FB shipped. All patches (support) from that point on were for FB, until the Aces Expansion Pack shipped. And then all patches were for FB+AEP - until FB shipped, and from that point on all patches were for PF standalone and PF merged (with FB+AEP).

What does that have to do with "nay-sayers"?

EDIT - 2 people beat me to the punch while I was typing. lol

Taylortony
03-06-2006, 04:46 PM
I think what you will find he is trying to get at is when BOB comes out will PF cease to be suppported with new patches, as they are a small team and to continue to hand out goodies for a older product would not be viable.......

Although the FB series was built on the same Engine as IL2 therefore it was a natural progression upwards, (to put it into English history..... The King is dead, Long live the King) I suppose purchased add ons could still follow, as BOB is a new game and as such a different product all together, but again small development team etc etc.... why support an old product where you could be making more money and sales on supporting your new BOB Baby etc etc etc

fordfan25
03-06-2006, 04:59 PM
yea im betting when BoB is out thay are going to drop FB. and thats the way it should be. FB has had a good run but its time for something new that will HOPEFULLY correct the shortcomeings of FB. and it would make more sense for them to put mony and manpower into the new game....even if thats not what happend with PF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

BaldieJr
03-06-2006, 05:27 PM
bob will be out xmas 2007.

EmbarkChief
03-06-2006, 05:34 PM
2 weeks be sure.

vocatx
03-06-2006, 05:35 PM
You guys answered the question perfectly. The "naysayers" I was referring to were the ones who regularly announce that "FB/PF is done. There will be no new content." I think the new maps in development, new aircraft we should be getting, and the three paid add-ons show us that support for what we have is secure until the "next generation" arrives.

Thanks for the answers! The sky isn't falling after all!

Treetop64
03-06-2006, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
bob will be out xmas 2007.

Just a bit optimistic, are we? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

TX-Zen
03-06-2006, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by vocatx:
You guys answered the question perfectly. The "naysayers" I was referring to were the ones who regularly announce that "FB/PF is done. There will be no new content." I think the new maps in development, new aircraft we should be getting, and the three paid add-ons show us that support for what we have is secure until the "next generation" arrives.

Thanks for the answers! The sky isn't falling after all!

I think most of the old timers really don't want new aircraft and maps etc, we want the current ones to be fixed.

Hopefully BoB will be the major step forward people are wishing for, but I'm skeptical.

T_O_A_D
03-06-2006, 09:12 PM
I'm still optimistic about BoB, but who ever wants to leave a good woman. Expecialy one that has treated us aswell as this IL2 sweatheart has. I expect she will breathe for many a year to come. This engine has so much to offer now, that we don't utilize. Our machines will only get bigger and stronger, and this game will become easier to manage. Someday possibly we will be able to run it, as we want to today.

Targ
03-06-2006, 10:17 PM
What Toad said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The IL2 series has a lot of life left in it.

wayno7777
03-06-2006, 10:34 PM
Hear, hear!.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

F19_Olli72
03-07-2006, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
I don't know that we can support two sims simultaniosly after the release of BoB. BoB is a new level of details and quality.... So we prefer to continue with new one and increase the features and amount there, but not in our old sim.
Also as a sample just look how long time take the implementation of user made things....

We try to form some team that could do somethings with the Il-2 series and engine...
Say there is a team now that plan to make new sim.... probably compatible with the Il-2 but with other era of the planes... Another team also plan to make the sim which wil cover also other era...
And third team would make the maps... by agreement with us - these maps should not be the same as we are doing for the next our own series.

So probably the life if this Il-2 series will be at least two years more. Of course we will help these teams in some questions.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/8371080943/p/4

LEBillfish
03-07-2006, 07:52 AM
JUst a guess but IMLTHO I'd bet just like IL2, FB/AEP/PF support will end with BoB's release......and rightfully so. Now that doesn't mean it won't still be fun to play, or that 75% of the goodies and surprises you never found could not still be but think about it....How many of you go back and devote a lot of time flying IL2 instead of this, or RB3d?...You don't, you may give it a tumble for a couple hours, often coming back here and chuckling about how much better this really is yet that's it.

just my 2 cents worth.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-07-2006, 07:59 AM
Support from the developer will be sparse at best once BoB ships. Those are the hard, cold facts. On the other hand, community and public support for this series will likely last considerably longer. This series is far more extensive than the original IL2 was and will likely be more playable than BoB for most people who may need to make some extensive upgrades for BoB.

I mirror the sentiments of some of the previous posters and wholeheartedly agree...this series, while getting long-in-the-tooth is still healthy and has substantial life left in it. At least on my machine....be sure.


TB

Bearcat99
03-07-2006, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by TX-Zen:
I think most of the old timers really don't want new aircraft and maps etc, we want the current ones to be fixed.
Hopefully BoB will be the major step forward people are wishing for, but I'm skeptical.

I with ya Zen..... After the 4.03/4.04 Mustangs... among others...... and I am a fanman....
(Who you callin fanboy... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Warts and all FB is still the best thing out there so.... here we sit.. on the tarmac....

TX-Zen
03-07-2006, 08:50 AM
lol,

I'd never call you a fanboi, but I was poking at you in this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9111058914/p/1

Airmail109
03-07-2006, 09:48 AM
Il2 doesnt have a lot of life left, its deader than a dodo....get over it, we shudve packed in the whining with Aces and moved straight onto a new engine aka BOB, instead of faffing around with PF and endless patches.

TacticalYak3
03-07-2006, 10:09 AM
I think it is a good question for everyone, be they "old timers" or folks new to the IL-2 series. How long the existing IL-2 community lasts depends on several unknowns.

Firstly, how good will BOB really be, not only with regards to FM, DM, environment and a host of other aspects, but given its small planeset/theatre (though exciting!) will it be able to keep the community captivated until future add-ons are released. Or will people drift back and forth. Heck, will some folks not even be able to make the transition to BOB due to hardware limitations (i.e., lack of funds).

Meanwhile there is a lot of talk about future third-party projects and the possibility that more of the IL-2 code will be released to third-party developers.

Will people who enjoy the theatres/planes in this series completely abandon all this for a much smaller "world"? Has the inclusion of all the Spits and Hurricanes (and Axis planes) somehow hurt/diminished the excitement for a Battle of Britain experience? I personally can see myself enjoying both sims. Time will reveal it all in the end.

Regards,
TS!