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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:12 PM
Can anyone give me production figures for the Bf 109G and Bf 109K, and tell me when the latter entered service? I doubt the information is available, but ideally I would like to know how many of each were produced each month in the last few months of the war.


Thanks,
Mr N

PS I have no interest in if the Bf 109K had flettner tabs, could spin like a top or flew like a pig on stilts. I'm just after the number manufactured in comparison to the Bf 109G!

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When the (German) rationalisation drive began it was found that the armed forces had greatly inflated the demand for raw materials by exaggerating the quantity needed for each unit of production. The large firms held substantial stocks of scarce materials, particularly aluminium, which had been allocated on the basis of 16,000 lb for each aircraft, regardless of the fact that a fighter consumed only a quarter of this quantity. Aircraft firms had so much ingot aluminium in store that they used it to produce non-essential goods - ladder, greenhouses, even mosquito nets.

Professor R.J. Overy, 'War and Economy in the Third Reich'

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:12 PM
Can anyone give me production figures for the Bf 109G and Bf 109K, and tell me when the latter entered service? I doubt the information is available, but ideally I would like to know how many of each were produced each month in the last few months of the war.


Thanks,
Mr N

PS I have no interest in if the Bf 109K had flettner tabs, could spin like a top or flew like a pig on stilts. I'm just after the number manufactured in comparison to the Bf 109G!

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When the (German) rationalisation drive began it was found that the armed forces had greatly inflated the demand for raw materials by exaggerating the quantity needed for each unit of production. The large firms held substantial stocks of scarce materials, particularly aluminium, which had been allocated on the basis of 16,000 lb for each aircraft, regardless of the fact that a fighter consumed only a quarter of this quantity. Aircraft firms had so much ingot aluminium in store that they used it to produce non-essential goods - ladder, greenhouses, even mosquito nets.

Professor R.J. Overy, 'War and Economy in the Third Reich'

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 05:24 PM
No much but here is what I have....

109 G= over 10 000 produced in 10 variants.

109 K/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif elivery in October 1944. Some 700 K-4 were produced by April 45.

Stef51

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:25 PM
Pretty accurate values for G and K production values are:

G-0 3
G-1 166
G-2 1576
G-3 50
G-4 1302
G-5 475
G-6 ~12000-13000
G-8 906
G-10 ~2600
G-12 ~400
G-14 ~3500-4000
K-4 ~1230 Delivered (~1600 produced)

First K-4's entered service at October '44

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:51 AM
Yep, KH had the apprx. right numbers. K-4 production is a bit messy, like all other 109s in the war. Safe to say, at least 1700 were produced until the end of war, about ~850 of them alrady by dec31 in Regensburg factory.

Plans were for K-4:

2895 by Mtt-Regensburg, until July 1945
2895 K-4/R6 by Erle, betw. Jan-Apr1945. Production indeed started, a number of planes were accepted by LW
2820 by WNF, May45-March46
1000 by KB, March-June1945
2700 K-4/R6 by KB, `till March 1946
Total 10193 `till March 1946 planned.

K-4s first entered service in October 1944, first loss of K-4 happened on 7th October IIRC in a transition unit (dont have source with me). First enemy-related losses however, were in November, so it`s safe to assume K-4s first saw combat in November, units were only refitting/practicing with them in October.

K-4s were used by 24 Jagdgruppes, and Stab of JG 53. In addition, foreign use (of a few Ks) included the Italian 150. Gruppo (3 K-4s recived), and the Hungarian 101st Fighter Regiment (about half a dozen perhaps) in 1945 .

Number of K-4s with first line LW units (in the end of month). There were no K-4 types with LW reserve units in January, so I guess this includes all K-4s, expect that handful with the foreign units.

October : 155
November : 209
December : 196
January 1945 : 314

I have no further details for 1945.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:56 PM
12 000 G6s? Jesus... one of those would cost millions today... Selling 12 000 of them is another issue of course. It's just so strange. It's not like any modern country would, during a war, produce in excess of 12 000 prop fighters. But suppose they would, they could totally flood the enemy airspace... Just need pilots, too. But, hey, 12 000. Even if you had 800 modern jets you couldn't just shoot them all. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:45 PM
http://members.chello.nl/s.ozmen/109%20production.jpg



does this say enough?



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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:49 PM
Lukki wrote:
- 12 000 G6s? Jesus... one of those would cost
- millions today... Selling 12 000 of them is another
- issue of course. It's just so strange. It's not like
- any modern country would, during a war, produce in
- excess of 12 000 prop fighters. But suppose they
- would, they could totally flood the enemy
- airspace... Just need pilots, too. But, hey, 12 000.
- Even if you had 800 modern jets you couldn't just
- shoot them all.

12,000 is a lot...but look at the totals:

WW2 Aircraft Production Numbers

Country 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945

UK 7940 15049 20094 23672 26263 26461 12070
US 2141 6086 19433 47836 85898 96318 46001
USSR 10382 10565 15735 25436 34900 40300 20900
Germany 8295 10826 12401 15409 24807 40593 7540
Japan 4467 4768 5088 8861 16693 28180 8263

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 12:00 AM
How many were 'new' construction? The Germans liked to re-manufacture early models of a/c to later versions and give them new W.Nr.


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