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F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 05:14 AM
Hey there. You might remember me from this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3171005885) thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


I plan to build me a new rig when SoW or KOTS is released, which will problably be sometime in 2008. Until then I want to crank up the old one as much as possible, with as little dough as possible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I will for now buy the Samsung TFT 22" 226BW monitor (thanx guys, you convinced me). A future investment!

Now to the question.

I run a 3Mhz(OC 3.3), 2 GB RAM, 6600 GT 128 MB (AGP!!!!) rig. It runs Il2 ok.

The older AGP GFX cards are very decent right now, and I can get a LeadTek GeForce 7600GT 256MB AGP for a very nice price.

However, is this upgrade motivated (from AGP 6600 GT 128 MB to AGP 7600 GT 256 MB)? Will I be able for example to run il2 with a higher resolution (I run 1152x864 now) with remained FPS? This is important to know as I am getting a new LCD monitor that runs on 1650x1050.

In essence; Will the change of gfx card make any difference?

mrsiCkstar
09-11-2007, 05:34 AM
I run all my games in 1680 x 1050 with a GeForce 7600GS 2GB DDR memory and an Athlon 3000+ with pretty high settings too... All the games I play, Allied Force, SWAT 4, rfactor, GTR etc run well...

it's PCI Express though... and I bet the GT version has some more juice than the GS.

Pig_Mac
09-11-2007, 05:35 AM
I did the same 'last chance' upgrades as you think of. i got myself a 22" 2ms screen and put away my old 6600gt AGP. I bought a 7600gt AGP 'golden sample' from a friend, and it's a lot of difference. I now run at 1680x1050, with what feels like smoother rates then my old 1280x960 on the 6600gt.
(Still with water=1 since i don't like the look of the others)
I also run 4xaa and 4xaf now.

I just wish i could motivate myself to buy 2 gig ram instead of the 1 I now have.. But I'm doing pretty fine as it is. Since i only play IL2 and falcon 4 RedViper

(I'm also upgrading my computer for when SOW:BoB and Fighter ops comes out)

F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 05:44 AM
@ mrsiCkstar
thanx, running in AGP though

@ Xallo_72
Thanx mate, if I understand you correctly the "upgrade" from 6600 GT to 7600 GT was a good choice? I have no problem flying with the same quality settings as before, the issue I guess is if I can run with the same or better FPS on a higher resolution. I too only play IL2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
PS: The 2 Gb RAM made a nice boost for me on big maps


Anyone else with an input? pros and cons.

Pig_Mac
09-11-2007, 06:58 AM
I fly in 1680x1050 with
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j53/tmp_screens/4x.jpg
on my old 2.8 with just one gig mem.. and I tried The Black Death just now, and got an avg. between 27-30 with those settings.

I wish i tried my old cards FPS before I tossed it into it's bag. But it feels smoother as i said.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-11-2007, 07:00 AM
6600GT up to 7600GT would be a decent boost and with the monitor addition you've discussed should provide a more than adequate performance improvement until your next build.

S!

F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 07:02 AM
Thanx Thunder... I am leaning towards it....

try vertical sync off xallo... if it looks ok you will probably get more fps out of it.

so..anyone else with an input?

according to a sales person I just had phone contact with, said that the difference between the 6600 GT AGP and the 7600 GT AGP is marginal.. hmm this is a difficult decision.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-11-2007, 07:11 AM
Well, it's at least a year newer, has twice the frame buffer and more shaders IIRC.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 07:29 AM
I wish I knew what frame buffer is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

for a novice this is hard. I have tried to find comparisons and opinions online on forums etc about such an upgrade, and they are all different. Some say it's a great upgrade, and others say "not worth it"....

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-11-2007, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
I wish I knew what frame buffer is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

just another name for video card RAM.



Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
for a novice this is hard. I have tried to find comparisons and opinions online on forums etc about such an upgrade, and they are all different. Some say it's a great upgrade, and others say "not worth it"....

Well, if IL2 is pretty much all you do/play and you want to be able to increase the AA, run in perfect, increase resolution or tweak any number of other things to visually improve your primary pc enjoyment conduit, then I'd say it's worth it. The only reason I'd advise against is if the rest of your pc would act as a bottleneck and basically throttle your VC replacement.

I'll look for some specific comparisons on the 6600 and 7600 series.

TB

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-11-2007, 07:40 AM
here's one: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7600_gt_performance/

F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 07:51 AM
Thanx Thunder... They are talking about the PCI version though, not the AGP. Does this have any relevance?

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-11-2007, 08:22 AM
no. There isn't a graphics card out there that was able to saturate the AGP bandwidth and the performance between the AGP and PCIE is negligible.


TB

cmirko
09-11-2007, 08:27 AM
no there isn't any meaningful difference - 7600GT or x1950pro are your options http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

try finding direct comparisons on this link
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx...model2=716&chart=318 (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=722&model2=716&chart=318)

stathem
09-11-2007, 10:12 AM
Timely thread, I've literally just got back from the shop with an XFX 7600GS to replace my ailing Radeon 9600TX.

I'd had the order on since Thursday last to get a Leadtek one; the shop I was dealing with told me today they couldn't get hold of the Leadtek ones. They did seem a better price for a slightly higher spec.

Not getting the screwdrivers out until Thursday though, but I'm not expecting miracles, with only 1G RAM and a P4 2.6Ghz. Just needed it as a repair.

Krt_Bong
09-11-2007, 12:04 PM
A few months ago I got this http://www2.pny.com/7600-GS-512MB-AGP--P1897C14.aspx
I had a Soyo Black Dragon Ultra MoBo and when I installed the card I had all sorts of problems, the card required a power supply so I wound up getting a new one (500watts)and I still had problems, turned out I needed a newer MoBo because the old one couldn't handle the Vid cards' capabilities and the only 32 bit Motherboard available was not as nice as my old one and wasn't as upgradable - Processor size range, amount of Ram etc.. but it was the only one so I got it and my card now works fine but I had to get almost a whole new system. If I had to do it over I would go 64bit, PCIe and not bought the same card probably as PCIe is better than AGP. I would recommend doing some research and checking out Newegg before you by that better AGP card because down the road you may find your rig is still not enough to run the next gen Flight sims and you'll kick yourself (like I'll be doing if I can't run SOW or KOTS) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 12:06 PM
22" bought.... 7600 GT bought...

LOVE the monitor!!

flying on 1680x1050

compared to 6600 I gained 12 fps on this resolution... Black death on excellent average at 45.... instead of 33. maybe 10 FPS ain't much. but it felt a hell of a lot smoother... I think it was good invested money in the end...

thanx all!!

F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 12:27 PM
ps... can't do much more testing this evening though.. when lifting down the old 19" crt that weighs half a ton, I strained my backhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif..idiotic!!!

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-11-2007, 12:52 PM
Well are you as happy as many of us told you, you would be? Like the rest of us you probably never want to play in a non widescreen resolution again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif And sorry to hear about your back, as I been there many times man. Hope your feeling better.

S!

mrsiCkstar
09-11-2007, 12:58 PM
Glad it turned out good for you ...enjoy the widescreen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

foxfire1941
09-11-2007, 01:00 PM
You might want to look into the 7950 GT or GTX it's one of the latest and greatest AGP cards.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...No=3013023&CatId=318 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3013023&CatId=318)

$219 at TigerDirect. or check with Price Watch.

I've heard this is a very good AGP card, maybe one of the last made for the AGP slot design.

There is also the 7800 series available, I have a 7800 GS OC and it runs very well at 1600x1200.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-11-2007, 01:05 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Now, ...get to implementing that advantage in your cr@pplane adventures.


TB

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-11-2007, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by foxfire1941:
You might want to look into the 7950 GT or GTX it's one of the latest and greatest AGP cards.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...No=3013023&CatId=318 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3013023&CatId=318)

$219 at TigerDirect. or check with Price Watch.

I've heard this is a very good AGP card, maybe one of the last made for the AGP slot design.

There is also the 7800 series available, I have a 7800 GS OC and it runs very well at 1600x1200.

I believe he already made his purchase. I own the 7950GT 512 PCIx version and its a great value card. I did notice that the AGP version is a good bit more expensive then mine. I got the impression he did not want to spend too much cash, which is the reason I did not recommend any of the cards above.

S!

F19_Orheim
09-11-2007, 02:37 PM
exactly so Havok...

The monitor was planned, as it was time to move on from my old CRT which was falling apart (it took out revenge when it broke my back hehe), but as I said - I needed a temporary GFX solution (until I build me a new rig) with a card that have a decent FPS with the native resolution of the TFT. The 7600 was a very "economical" temporary solution with just enough boost to handle this


so thanx again... love the crisp picturehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif