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blackpulpit1970
05-02-2006, 11:46 AM
Hello all, i was wondering how many fly the TA 152 online regularly and what are your thoughts on it and some tips. Need things like rad settings, prop pitch, AOA for climbing etc, etc. Thanks all

Xiolablu3
05-02-2006, 11:59 AM
I have only flown this plane about twice in my whole time I have had the sim, mate.

Therefore I cant offer much info on it, other than it is definitely NOT a low alt TnB plane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

To me it feels a little like the Ki100, it is of course a Hi altitude plane. I know some who love it and swear its an Uber plane, but as I havent flown it in its element, I have yet to see this side of it.

I have just seen it get slaughtered trying to dogfight with Yaks and La7's at low level. NOT what it should be used for of course. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I will read other players/experts posts in this thread with great interest!

S!

carguy_
05-02-2006, 12:08 PM
Only the most basic aspects of high altitude FM modelling are modelled.You will never be able to fly a Ta152 in IL2 like it really flew up high.

Although it is better at DF than all FW190Antons besides the A9 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Brain32
05-02-2006, 12:13 PM
Ta152 is nothing more than a high alt Dora with mk108 in the nose, but then again could you ask for more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Esentially higher you go better she feels it's a great plane, the only thing that can worry you up there is P47. CEM is same as with the Dora, don't forget that MW50 burns out after cca. 26mins above 9000m GM injection kicks in and then you really run like mad(top speed 745km/h). My standard procedure was to climb up to just below contrail level ~6300m and dive on unsuspecting targets using your awsome zoom and climb performance to get out of there. If some good P47 flyers are on the server prepare to climb as much as it takes...
In v402 it was really uber because it was also good at low alts and could tuen farely well(with that kind of wings it better) BUT in v403 things had changed and the Ta152 is performing much worse at low alts(but still quite good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif). Also keep in mind that although it's a FW roll-rate(especially at high speeds) is very dissapointing(I guess it's the wings again).
Since it was cuted out of the WC planeset I haven't flown it...

blackpulpit1970
05-02-2006, 12:29 PM
Hello Brain, what are you flying these days on warclouds with the new planeset?

Xiolablu3
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Ta152 is nothing more than a high alt Dora with mk108 in the nose,

Sounds absolutely fearsome, mate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


I think Hi alt flying is bound to suffer in this sim, purely bacause most play takes place below 6000m, meaning that more care is taken on the modelling at this alt.

Although the Hi alt stuff is reportadly screwed up, (not flown up there enough to know myself). I took a P51D for a spin vs a 190A9 and a 109K4 the other day, and the P51D felt so much better up there.

I swapped to the 109 straight after and it was a nightmare at that alt. You pick up speed so fast that I had to use trim to turn at all,high alt fights seem to happen at much faster speeds and this does no bode well for the 109.

In fact I am going to try the Ta152 at 10,000 now vs some P47's and P51's. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Will report back later.

Vuco1
05-02-2006, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Although the Hi alt stuff is reportadly screwed up.

Yes, that is what most people say here, but nobody gives no explanation for their words.
So please can some one embrace me what is actually wrong whit this sim's FM on high altitudes. Don't get flamey here, I just want to know, that's all.
Sorry for getting away from the subject here but some time ago I had a topic on this subject and in it miraculously everybody agreed that this simulation's FM from 7500 m to 10000 m is just fine and accurate like in RW.

Xiolablu3
05-02-2006, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
don't forget that MW50 burns out after cca.

What is cca pls guys??


I am pretty sure that longer wing equals a worse roll rate, all other factors being equal. Perhaps someone can confirum this? It seems to make sense to me, but I dont know this for certain...

RCAF_Irish_403
05-02-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Vuco1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Although the Hi alt stuff is reportadly screwed up.

Yes, that is what most people say here, but nobody gives no explanation for their words.
So please can some one embrace me what is actually wrong whit this sim's FM on high altitudes. Don't get flamey here, I just want to know, that's all.
Sorry for getting away from the subject here but some time ago I had a topic on this subject and in it miraculously everybody agreed that this simulation's FM from 7500 m to 10000 m is just fine and accurate like in RW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i believe above 10000m is where things get generic and funky....but who the @#$% flies up there anyways http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

VW-IceFire
05-02-2006, 04:19 PM
1) High altitude is not screwed up...that myth is perpetuated by people who don't understand that the speed bar is listed in metric and most WWII sources in the Western world use imperial. We've got plenty of people running around thinkin 3000m is 3000ft which is totally different as 3000m is roughly 10,000 feet and 10,000m is roughly 32,000 feet. Virtually no WWII combat took place at 32,000 feet. The rare high altitude Spitfire vs the rare high altitude Ju-86P is probably the most prolific combat at 10,000m plus. In the sim, air is supposed to be modeled accurately (to what degree I cannot say - just that 10,000 is the specification that Oleg told us about) upto 10,000m. Above 10,000m air is still modeled but not as accurately and decreasing with accuracy.

So remember folks that its total BS when people tell you that high altitude is modeled inaccurately. Its very accurate upto a useable altitude in terms of historical aerial combat. Not one aircraft we have in the sim ever reached its peak performance level above 32,000 feet anyways so its really a pointless exercise.

2) The Ta-152H is a fantastic fighter as its very fast and well armed. The disadvantages of it are that its less capable at lower altitudes. Flying a FW190D-9 is the best bet if your going to stay under 2000m. Above 6000m is where the Ta-152H makes its mark and above 9000m its only matched by the special high altitude Spitfire, the Thunderbolt, and the Mustang. The biggest problem to me with the Ta-152H is the slower roll rate in comparison to a Dora which makes all the difference in low altitude combat with a Focke Wulf. But you can make it work and the slightly more forgiving turn rate can be a huge advantage.