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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 03:13 PM
I'm having trouble picturing how the interface will work for the Zwilling when it comes out in January merely because of its unorthodox design. Could somebody please enlighten me? Thanks!

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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 03:13 PM
I'm having trouble picturing how the interface will work for the Zwilling when it comes out in January merely because of its unorthodox design. Could somebody please enlighten me? Thanks!

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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 03:37 PM
MackZ wrote:
- I'm having trouble picturing how the interface will
- work for the Zwilling when it comes out in January
- merely because of its unorthodox design. Could
- somebody please enlighten me? Thanks!

Who's modeling that then? Why would there be a problem with interface. It's just a twin engined fighter.

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 10:29 PM
They are free to do what they want since it was only a projected fighter...

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XyZspineZyX
10-16-2003, 10:57 PM
I would guess it will be faster than its single engine
bro, maybe klimb and dive faster to,the turn circle
would probably be the same, but it will not roll as good,
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Message Edited on 10/16/0309:57PM by fjuff79

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 01:43 AM
I mean the two different pilots in the two different sections of the plane.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 01:49 AM
I believe the Me-109Z only had a single pilot.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 05:47 AM
MackZ, the 109Z was designed with only one pilot. The right hand cockpit was faired over, and a fuel tank was put in that space, IIRC.

The P-82 Twin Mustang, on the other hand, did have two pilots. The controls were interconnected, just as with any other two seat fighter (moving one stick moved the control surfaces, and the stick in the other cockpit.)

The only weird thing I can think of about the 109Z's handling (other than engine out procedures depending on which way each engine turns) would be that the pilot sits to one side of the roll axis. Doing an aileron roll level with the horizon will look kind of strange from the cockpit, as the pilot's view will go above and below the horizon as he rolls.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:11 AM
where the hell do they find performance tests charts and combat footage, seeing how horably wrong they have been with the p40s n jugs rollrate elevator effectiveness's and .50s il2fb the 109z will probally outperform the p38 in all categories which it shouldnt, i cant believe they add the 109z in and not the f82 twin mustang. I rather see more cockpits for the ais then these hardly ever seen service bs planes.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:25 AM
Bitter are we,LS?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:38 AM
you know what im saying necro how are they going to have even a semi realistic fm and dm

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Message Edited on 10/17/0305:38AM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:47 AM
just like the rest: jump in, hit 'I' and then careen off down runway. Easy!

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 06:52 AM
Blottogg::
-- Doing an aileron roll level with the horizon will look
-- kind of strange from the cockpit, as the pilot's view
-- will go above and below the horizon as he rolls.

No, the horizon is too far away to see the difference in altitude represented by the distance from cockpit to roll axis (say 2 meters). It will not look different unless the thing (things? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif ) wobbles off axis in roll. It may feel different though, rolling off axis would make the pilot feel pressed out the side away from the centre, but I doubt we will get that modelled in a home PC, even by BoB2005.



leadsplitter::
-- where the hell do they find performance tests charts and combat footage,...

Actually, this is an interesting idea, and it clears away the "reasons" about "data" for lack of certain planes used alot in Eastern Front like the rising FB sun clears the FB mist at the FB dawn. Same with Go229 and, dare I say it, the flyable Pe~2?

No flight data. No cockpit data. Any difference in hysterical "realism?" Anybody?



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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 07:06 AM
For Pe-2 there is plenty of data, I have complete flight test report here. We could have a nice comparison if it ecer came flyable. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 07:37 AM
-- For Pe-2 there is plenty of data, I have complete flight
-- test report here. We could have a nice comparison if it
-- ever came flyable.
-- -jippo_88
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Yes, Oleg is holding back on us.

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XyZspineZyX
10-17-2003, 08:59 AM
Hi Leadspitter,

Did you read JTD's .50 cal convergence test thread at http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yxhdh ?

Did you read Ravens's P-40 test thread at http://oldsite.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=003845 ?

Did you read Cube's flight performance test data at http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=004181 ?

I read a post of yours over in the ORR forum some time ago where we had the following exchange:


LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- you should see the damage people who fly the 190 and
- 109 consistantly cause flying the la7s yak9t laggs
- mig shvak yak3, its so easy its not fun
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- getting 7 190 kills with the yak9t 190s explode into
- a million pieces from on tail hit

Not content with being almost entirely invulnerable to .30 cal fire, FW-190 pilots now humbly request that Oleg make their ride of choice able to withstand MULTIPLE THIRTY SEVEN MILLIMETRE ANTI TANK ROUNDS. Indeed, your requested whine is already part of the game, dear Leadspitter. I've seen FW-190s absorb up to 4 hits from the NS-37. That's more than I've been able to pump into an IL-2 before it goes down.

Now, who said whining never accomplished anything..


Then, I read the following from you in the GD forum:

16-20 times 190a9 destroyed all 3 jugs / [jug kills] jug #1 pk, jug #2 tore off wing, jug #1 tore off wing, jug #3 cable snap

third

18-20 times 190a9 destroyed all 3 jugs / [jug kills] jug #2 tore off a wing of the 190/ jug #2 ripped off 190s tail with side gastank hit

fourth

17-20 times 190a9 destroyed all 3jugs / [jug kills] jug #3 tore wing off kill, jug #1 snapped alieron controlls and exploded 190 into a million pieces, jug #1 pk on 190

The jug can stay on the 6 of a 190 for only second. However if you get a belly gastank hit you can rip off the tail with a fireball but its almost impossible to get that shot.


Apparently the FW-190 can now cause massive damage to the toughest aircraft flying in FB? Impressive stuff. 54 to 60+ kills on 3 of the toughest aircraft in FB, with only the hideously undermodelled LW guns? Wow!

To say nothing of the "Green lasers" Shkas comment after JTD showed that it has far higher dispersion than any other small MG in FB.

I don't know what you expect Oleg to do with the game to get it working to your satisfaction, exactly, but I'd be delighted to hear it.

Of course, there's a group of people Oleg referred to at the recent flightsim show, who make multiple seemingly contradictory demands of him, with no supporting evidence of any kind for any of their assertions .. those seem to have been the people that have convinced him that the community appreciates nothing that he does for them, and that they'll now have to pay up if they want new content. Do you know anyone who sounds a little bit like the people Oleg was reffering to?

I'm saddened to read that FB was obviously such a terrible purchase for you and a complete waste of your money and time, and that the developer doesn't seem to be able to get anything right in your opinion.

Still. I guess that means we'll be seeing a lot less of you here once the pay addon ships? Silver linings, everywhere.



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