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heywooood
06-03-2005, 07:04 PM
http://subart.net/atlanticrendezvous.jpg

Bv138 'Flying Clog' assisted U-Boats in the North Atlantic...

SeperateCheck
06-03-2005, 09:29 PM
oh, that floatplane is so awesome looking!

I'd never seen that aircraft before seeing this picture. Thanx for the picture!

AerialTarget
06-03-2005, 10:11 PM
Freaky! And here I thought that no one could beat our Cat for great weirdness.

Waldo.Pepper
06-03-2005, 10:27 PM
I have hundred of pics of that plane, including some interiors.

A fav of mine.

heywooood
06-03-2005, 11:23 PM
it is a beauty...Waldo - if you can link to some more pics, especially interiors, please do so.

According to the article I saw - in exchange for spotting convoys for the U-boats - the subs would refuel the Clogs wherever conditions allowed.
That is what this illustration depicts.

here (http://subart.net/german.htm) is where I found this picture...there is more.

Waldo.Pepper
06-04-2005, 02:26 AM
I have hundreds of cd's of pictures of various planes.

So that's why it took a while to find them.

I have included a good medley of the images I have. Some highlights include, rato backs, depth charges, anti-magnetic mine rings, and catapult launches.

Given the versatility of this plane can you imagine how much fun it would be to have in the game. Think of the fun of a cat launch in this big bugger.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/bv/uboat.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/bv/tocatapult.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/bv/takeoff5.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/bv/moored.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/bv/FrontTurret.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/bv/Depthcharges.jpg
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TROOPER117
06-04-2005, 03:59 AM
Really interesting stuff! Yeah, would make a fantastic addition to the stable!
I'm assuming from the pictures they were operating in the atlantic?
Anyone know if these things served in other theatres?

Regards....Dave S.

EmKen
06-04-2005, 04:38 AM
Couple of observations -1) I guess they must be diesel engines so that they could refuel from U-boats? 2) Why does the centre engine have 4 blades whilst the outers have 3?
An ugly but nonetheless compelling aircraft!

Martin

Dunkelgrun
06-04-2005, 05:15 AM
Love the pic of three of them on the ship. thanks!

Cheers!

Hurri-Khan
06-04-2005, 06:01 AM
I've always liked those big LW flying boats of ww2, shame that none of them made into the game.. ( hint for BoB!! ) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes, it had same diesel engines that in JU-86.

Some stuff I had in my bookmarks:

http://www.seawings.co.uk/bv138mangal.htm

http://home.swipnet.se/our_stuff/Planes/BV138.htm


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heywooood
06-04-2005, 10:35 AM
nice Waldo, thanks for sharing those!

Bv138 seems to have been an integral component to the German U-Boat effort that is seldom mentioned in general discussions or articles that I have seen. This airplane was unknown to me until quite recently when I undertook a project to model a VIIc boat for a friend...Revell Germany has a 1/72 scale boat that is quite good. Now I will need to put a 'Clog' in the water with it...

Waldo.Pepper
06-04-2005, 10:57 AM
There is easily enough info. If only there were more time.

mortoma
06-04-2005, 12:56 PM
Why does the one type have a big ring around it??
Is this some sort of long distance LF or HF radio antenna?? Anyone dare venture a guess besides me?

DRAGON_2_GO
06-04-2005, 01:06 PM
Great looking pics!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I have hundreds of cd's of pictures of various planes.

So that's why it took a while to find them.




Have you got pictures of the Dornier Do 24 as well? Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase post them as well!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

The Do 24 is such a nice plane but only very few know about it, it's a shame.... Pleeeaaase help ending this by posting some pics!!!!!

major_setback
06-04-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Why does the one type have a big ring around it??
Is this some sort of long distance LF or HF radio antenna?? Anyone dare venture a guess besides me?

To me it looks like on of those electro-magnetic things used for detonating 'proximity mines'; the type of mine set off by the presence of a large metal body (ship). A minesweeper...if you like. But don't ask me, I'm just a fool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

DRAGON_2_GO
06-04-2005, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Why does the one type have a big ring around it??
Is this some sort of long distance LF or HF radio antenna?? Anyone dare venture a guess besides me?

Those rings were for mine sweeping. Flying low the aircraft would pulse out very strong electro-magnetic pulse-waves that exploded allied mines safely from the air. This kind of equickment was attached to quiet many types of planes !!including the JU 52!!!

GerritJ9
06-04-2005, 02:40 PM
We need the Do24K before the BV138- the Dornier was used extensively by the MLD in the Netherlands East Indies and would be a great AI addition to PF. Dornier actually designed the Do24 specifically for the MLD as a replacement for the Wal which was also used by the MLD in the NEI.

GerritJ9
06-04-2005, 02:48 PM
I remember reading about a Murmansk convoy being discovered by a BV138, which started to circle the convoy and no doubt sent signals to HQ describing the composition of the convoy. After the BV had circled around the convoy for some time, one of the escorts sent a message by Aldis lamp to the BV: "For heaven's sake, please circle the other way, you are making us dizzy." The BV promptly complied!

GerritJ9
06-04-2005, 02:54 PM
There are some pics of the Do24 in the Netherlands Air Force museum at: http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/do24/do24.htm

Tooz_69GIAP
06-04-2005, 03:13 PM
very cool looking aircraft. I love seaplanes. Dunno why, but they just do it for me!!! I made loads of models when I was kid of floatplanes.

Sunderland, He-115, Cat, and so on and so forth!!

Tis a pity we only have one flyable arcraft on floats in the game!!

RogueRunner
06-04-2005, 03:37 PM
was always wondering. What is the idea for the spiral design on the spinners? Seen it on boeings too!

LeadSpitter_
06-04-2005, 05:02 PM
very cool bv, dornier made some excellent large float planes as well.

Its really ridiculous they add all the code in for water landings and floats but only have the zeke-N.

Makes no sense to me why they denie the pby kingfisher H8k russian and german arado float planes and many other float planes.

just like, 100mix and 120 rich mixture, manual supercharger 1 2 i or auto and mirrors on ac that used them in combat.

Wings_of_Fire
06-04-2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Tis a pity we only have one flyable arcraft on floats in the game!!
And which flyable sea plane would that be? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

heywooood
06-04-2005, 11:24 PM
In Pac Fighters you can fly the Rufe..floatplane version of the Zero...

Freycinet
06-05-2005, 04:29 AM
thx a lot Waldo for posting those pics, they're great!

WOLFMondo
06-05-2005, 08:42 AM
Thats a cool plane, the Germans made such cool looking float planes.

Q: Did the front turret retract at all? Got to be a right pain for the pilot to see out the front with that in the way all the time if not.

BanaBob
06-05-2005, 09:52 AM
Like to see someone do this bird for FS2004! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

heywooood
06-05-2005, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by RogueRunner:
was always wondering. What is the idea for the spiral design on the spinners? Seen it on boeings too!

on jet engines, the spiral on the spinner hub of the turbine fan is to ward off birds - it was discovered that this somehow reduced the number of bird strikes and ingestions of birds into the engines.

Not sure if the Luftwaffe design had the same intention or if it was to alert ground crew to the spinning prop...German planes as a rule did not have painted propeller tips at all...but most had either a spiral hub or a two-tone paint job...

ploughman
06-05-2005, 04:01 PM
I was looking for a Sunderland with a 'magnetic' hoop as that was the only other place I'd ever seen on on an a/c (or was it a Wellington?) when I came upon this...


Mk1 of No. 210 Sqdn.with side blister gun positions prior to the introduction of the dorsal turret. This model was fitted with Pegasus engines and was massively underpowered. I well remember an old sergeant who I knew very well, telling me, how on the retreat towards India, from the Japanese, they experienced 3 engine failures and each time they had to touch down to tie the props, as they didn't fully feather. They eventually got off on one engine after about 10 miles, with all surplus crew running too and fro to break the suction. Happy days or not?"

Massively underpowered? It may've taken ten miles of ocean but the thing finally took off on ONE engine!

major_setback
06-06-2005, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
I was looking for a Sunderland with a 'magnetic' hoop as that was the only other place I'd ever seen on on an a/c ...



Here's a pic of a Ju52 with a hoop! I'm sure that there are others too.

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/Ju52-3m-10s.jpg

Faustus_VIII
06-06-2005, 12:27 PM
thats a nice aircraft always had a soft spot for flying boats of all stripes.

Out of intrest anyone ever found any pics of the costal command mosquito varient, the one with the 6lbr (57mm) cannon in the nose, I just rechecked the book I foun it in and its FB Mk XVIII.

DRAGON_2_GO
06-06-2005, 01:35 PM
WOw, great pics! Thanks for the link!! The Do 24 is such a beautiful bird....
I want in in PF!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Yog_Shoggoth
06-06-2005, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by GerritJ9:
I remember reading about a Murmansk convoy being discovered by a BV138, which started to circle the convoy and no doubt sent signals to HQ describing the composition of the convoy. After the BV had circled around the convoy for some time, one of the escorts sent a message by Aldis lamp to the BV: "For heaven's sake, please circle the other way, you are making us dizzy." The BV promptly complied!
See, now that's sevice.

Waldo.Pepper
06-07-2005, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by EmKen:
Couple of observations -1) I guess they must be diesel engines so that they could refuel from U-boats? 2) Why does the centre engine have 4 blades whilst the outers have 3?
An ugly but nonetheless compelling aircraft!

Martin

The Centre engine was typically (when done by the book) used for taxiing/repositioning (obviously when waterborne). As such it needed a bit more snort. The prototype Bv 138 had a three blade propeller on the centre (number two) engine and was found to be insufficient.

Waldo.Pepper
06-07-2005, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by GerritJ9:
We need the Do24K before the BV138- the Dornier was used extensively by the MLD in the Netherlands East Indies and would be a great AI addition to PF. Dornier actually designed the Do24 specifically for the MLD as a replacement for the Wal which was also used by the MLD in the NEI.

GerritJ9

PM me if you wish and we shall make some kind of arrangements to get some Do-24 stuff into your hands.

My photobucket is bandwidth exceeded till the end of the month.

Here is part of what they e mailed me:

Your photobucket account WaldoPepper has exceeded 1000 Megabytes of bandwidth
this month. In order to keep free accounts available and highly reliable, we
cannot offer unlimited bandwidth on free accounts...If your account exceeds 1500 Megabyes of bandwidth, direct linking will be disabled for the remainder of the month.

It did ... they did. So there!

1500 MEG! The file size I uploaded is only about 5 meg! Guess you all really liked the pics eh?

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I agree that the Do-24 would make more sense to have in any game. But I like the Bv 138 more. Always have since I was a kid and saw a model of one in a magazine. They captured intact ones in Norway at the end of the war too! To bad they didn't keep them.

Qbeesh800
06-07-2005, 02:56 PM
If you like that, you will love this one

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Qbeesh800
06-07-2005, 03:01 PM
Sorry something went wrong.
Anyway look for FW Triebflugel.

Yog_Shoggoth
06-07-2005, 09:15 PM
These would look great in SHIII