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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:18 PM
Enemy at the gates is a great movie about stalingrad
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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:18 PM
Enemy at the gates is a great movie about stalingrad
lou69


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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:25 PM
No pun intended, but Enemy at the Gates blows.

If you want to see a good Stalingrad movie watch the one bearing the same name, by Joseph Vilsmaier.

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:39 PM
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no this version is better 1956--the newer Stalingrad is based on this movie

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:39 PM
Lou69 wrote:
- Enemy at the gates is a great movie about stalingrad
- lou69

No, it's not. You may think it a great movie, but it is not a great movie about Stalingrad. The German movie "Stalingrad" is okay. There is yet to be a great movie about Stalingrad.


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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:41 PM
The movie blows. The chick had a cute tush, though.

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08-22-2003, 11:43 PM
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08-22-2003, 11:46 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:47 PM
Hey Lou. i liked the movie. i didnt think it was that bad. have any of you guys seen the Band of Brothers series? i just got the whole set fer my b-day a couple months ago. its one of my favorite war "movies" of all time.

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:54 PM
I thought of "Enemy At The Gates" as the eastern front version of "Pearl Harbour", a typical Hollywood representation of a black&white scheme war movie.
Best movie i´ve seen so far on the topic was "Stalingrad".
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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:59 PM
Yeah, Enemy at the gates sucks!! Cheesy Hollywood dialogue, a very linear plot, etc.etc.

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eskimo-FHmod
08-23-2003, 12:02 AM
i would have to agree. enemy at the gates is hollywood entertainment though it is a european big budget production if i am not mistaken. it does little to acctually capture the suffering of the common soldier on both sides. while the german movie stalingrad is not really a master piece either it certainly strikes a more compassionate chord in me. it is a very good anti-war movie.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 12:04 AM
Well...looks like im the only one who likes enemy at the gates /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 12:19 AM
Enemy at the gates wasn't made in Hollywood, it was european (i think it was under french direction). And by the way the movie Stalingrad isn't that great either... Documentaries are better.

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 12:29 AM
im with Boos, i really liked Enemy at the Gates. It was a great movie, i don't think they meant it to be a documentary.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 01:25 AM
Only major flaw in the movie that almost completely ruined EATG for me, is SOO Hollywood even if its European in that every single kill was a head shot, even on shots no sharpshooter would ever consider taking. Comeon the midjump leap headshot.... right.

Anyone with any knowledge of sharpshooting people aka sniping knows you go for center mass.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 01:34 AM
ENEMY had alot of neat scenes, focusing on the snipers. But they totally botched the story from the book, including the romance. So that by itself makes ENEMY movie sukc.

No...the two snipers never met. The Russian sniper dude shot the German sniper ace when the German made the mistake of flashing *his* gun scope against the sun from under cover (this basic idea was used in the movie but Hollywood had the Russian dude flash against the sun and live.)

In real life the chick (the TV babe) got both legs blown off and she and the sniper dude (the TV Hero) got married after the WAR. She was as hot a sniper as the dude, having killed several hundred German sargeants and officers before Stalingrad. She could be a real btch too, hating some Noob sniper babe and calling her a "cow" for making too much noise in the rubble--I think that was the mission when she caught a mortar or something I dunno. If I recall, in a small night raid she sneaked up and kicked a young red hair pimpled face German dude in the balls and then strangled him when he politely bent over for her.

Forget the movie, read the book.

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 02:59 AM
I liked Enemy at the Gates. As far as I'm concerned, the whole beginning scene leading up to the Volga crossing, the handing out of rifles, and the first combat was masterful filmmaking which truly caught the terror and hopelessness those young men must have felt. It went downhill from there but still had an interesting subplot about publicity and progaganda. And Bob Hoskins made a really cute Khruschev. It doesn't matter to me if any of the sniper story was true or not. And, finally, what is it about "Hollywood" that brings out all the we-are-so-sophisticated crowd? For Chrissake, we are all are spending our time infront of a little screen PLAYING A STUPID COMPUTER GAME and Enemy at the Gates was made by a FRENCHMAN!

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 03:09 AM
Yeah the ENEMY subplots about the propaganda was sweet and as well done as they did in Babylon~5 by JMS, who you can tell is an obvious fan of Orwell just by watching his show. There was an article about Yak~1 ace Lilya Latvka that hinted the Soviets used her physical beauty as propaganda. Of course, we would do the same. Who wouldn't? This is the era of...Hollywood. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 07:46 AM
the book stalingrad by antony beevor wood rock as a movie ,what a story to be told of the six army,there are no good films as yet ,.i have seen both these films ,they are sad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 08:14 AM
Don't like the movie...

Band of Brothers on the other hand is a great movie!

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 07:11 PM
SPOILER: Beware, comments below discuss Ending of movie "Enemy at the Gates"..Do not read if you intend to see the movie and you don't want to know the ending.


LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- ENEMY had alot of neat scenes, focusing on the
- snipers. But they totally botched the story from the
- book, including the romance. ...

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- In real life the chick (the TV babe) got both legs
- blown off and she and the sniper dude (the TV Hero)
- got married after the WAR. ...
- Forget the movie, read the book.
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I believe you are Incorrect.

The woman was wounded/hospitalized. The Sniper/lover never saw her after she was carried away from the Battlefield/Stalingrad; never even went to the hospital, etc..MAYBE he thought she had been killed. Anyway, she never saw the Sniper/lover again until some years after the war, when he had already married someone else. I don't believe she ever got married, and died many decades later as a lonely old woman. [In the movie, of course, the sniper Finds her in the hospital and the implication is made that they went on to live happily ever after.]


As for reading the book:

"Enemy at the Gates" is a terrrific detailed Non-fiction history of the entire Battle of Stalingrad...perhaps the very best one. It makes a Very Few passing references to the sniper duel and the male and female snipers...maybe two pages out of a thousand pages in the book.

'War of the Rats" is the Novel, telling a fictionalized version of the snipers, Based Upon the Slim historical facts.

The Movie, "Enemy at the Gates" is Actually a Movie-script version of "War of the Rats", NOT "Enemy at the Gates"... Leave it to the movie Industry to unnecessarily change/twist things around...




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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 08:03 PM
the book enemy at the gates is way better than the movie,
which isn t bad for "hollywood"(i know it was made by a frenchmen),in the book the whole "love story takes 3 pages".
the other movie was made as a 50 years memorial (by germans) of stalingrad,is a whole lot better.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 08:07 PM
i liked the part on enemy at the gates when that russian guy farts on the candle lol

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 08:08 PM
cuski wrote:
- No pun intended, but Enemy at the Gates blows.
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- If you want to see a good Stalingrad movie watch the
- one bearing the same name, by Joseph Vilsmaier.

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It'll be the fifth time I watch it. Can't wait.

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 08:21 PM
Thanks OberstWiley its been awhile since I read it. But I swear the sniper lovers got married after the WAR. But then I may be suffering from...

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XyZspineZyX
08-23-2003, 10:24 PM
"No...the two snipers never met. The Russian sniper dude shot the German sniper ace when the German made the mistake of flashing *his* gun scope against the sun from under cover (this basic idea was used in the movie but Hollywood had the Russian dude flash against the sun and live.)"


I have almost fininshed reading the book: ENEMY AT THE GATES by william craig, and i think you are wrong with that, at least the book says that the russian sniper and another guy sat behind a wall or something and then raised a helmet over the wall or what it was, and then the german sniper instantly put a bullet in that helmet. Sensing victory the german sniper ace raised his head was about to go and get the helmet (i think hemlets was some kind of kill marks)
and then the russian sniper shot him DEAD.

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:47 AM
I wached a show on the history channel and there is evidence to prove that the sniper duel never took place. The most damming evidence being there is no german records of a german sniper by that name that served in the german army.

More then likely it was tale of soviet proproganda, and it's only that. They have a pretty bad habbit when it comes to that makeing proproganda during WW2.

This is what I believe.

Regardless though this is an average flick that pits the bad guys against the good guys and over exagerates reality and the personalites involved.

It's trash except for a some cool sceans.


Stalingrad is by far a better war movie on this topic. I like war movies that make you feel for the suffering of both sides. Anti-war movies are far better then ones like this where it's "ahhh another one, what does that make? 74?".

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:48 AM
"Anyone with any knowledge of sharpshooting people aka sniping knows you go for center mass"

Yes and that's why snipers are trained to shoot the apricot. Hitting and destroying this point at the back of the human head with a single bullet causes the person to instantly and completely collapse without reflex.

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:51 AM
Both 'Enemy at the Gates' and 'Stalingrad' are absolute tripe. Don't bother with either. A half decent film on the subject hasn't been made yet. Stick to the books.

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:52 AM
Enemy at the Gates would have been a good movie if it weren't for the really bad romance story. Even then, it would have been kinda bland. The best part, really, is the beginning with the Stukas (which by the way were excellently modeled/animated) and the infantry battle. Some people think it was a copy of the beginning of Saving Private Ryan, but I don't think so.

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 12:58 AM
i was a sniper in the U.S. ARMY center mass was the safe shot.... head shot was when closer then i wanted to be

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 01:02 AM
but in the movie they are in a city in which all their targets are engaged at close range.

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XyZspineZyX
08-24-2003, 01:03 AM
tenmmike wrote:
- i was a sniper in the U.S. ARMY center mass was the
- safe shot.... head shot was when closer then i
- wanted to be
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Oh crap! I've just disagreed with you in another thread. I promise to be good from now on!

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