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VBF-83_Hawk
02-11-2005, 05:26 AM
Any of you guys ever get to this museum? Museum of Aviation and Space, Krakow, Poland

I need many up close pictures of this airplane:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/u/austi262/Web%20Pages/udethawk3.jpg

What I really need is to understand how the fabric attaches to the airframe. It looks as if there is an aluminum piece attached to the airframe then the fabric attaches to the aluminum!!???

Also, the flying wires on the tail. Is this original or temporary? They appear to be cables instead of streamlined wires.

Any help would be greatfull.
Thanks

Oh, my web site is www.curtisshawkp6e.com (http://www.curtisshawkp6e.com)

This is the only close up pic I can find.

VBF-83_Hawk
02-11-2005, 05:26 AM
Any of you guys ever get to this museum? Museum of Aviation and Space, Krakow, Poland

I need many up close pictures of this airplane:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/u/austi262/Web%20Pages/udethawk3.jpg

What I really need is to understand how the fabric attaches to the airframe. It looks as if there is an aluminum piece attached to the airframe then the fabric attaches to the aluminum!!???

Also, the flying wires on the tail. Is this original or temporary? They appear to be cables instead of streamlined wires.

Any help would be greatfull.
Thanks

Oh, my web site is www.curtisshawkp6e.com (http://www.curtisshawkp6e.com)

This is the only close up pic I can find.

VBF-83_Hawk
02-12-2005, 05:37 PM
Anyone?

LStarosta
02-12-2005, 08:45 PM
Been there, visited that. However, I didn't take many pics of that particular bird.

FI_Willie
02-12-2005, 08:55 PM
The fabric is glued to fuselage stringers and rib surfaces of the wings and control surfaces. It is then "sewn" to the ribs. Then the fabric is "doped" to make it shrink tight and get stiff. Butyrate dope was the choice in that era and until recently when "grade A" cotton was replaced by synthetics. Then it is painted to the color of choice. Usaully a silver basecoat,then a color coat. the silver base coat repells a lot of the UV and water that eventually destroys the cotton

Cables rather than streamlined "flying wires" were used in the era that plane was made.

Here is a link to a word doc that hopefully will explain a little of what I've said.
http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/av-info/dst/43-13/Ch_02-04.doc

And another FAA link http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/300/pdf/1j-ch2_1.pdf.

I have seen fabric riveted on occasion but is not a process that is in use much these days.

VBF-83_Hawk
02-13-2005, 01:21 AM
Argh !!! I am not asking my question correctly. I know how to cover the aircraft with fabric, been restoring airplanes for 15 years...that is why I added a link to my web page.

What I need is how the fabric is attached to this particular airplane in a particular location. If you will look below the cockpit along the top longeron...all the way to the tail, you will see that there is an aluminum strip. Attached to the top side of the strip is the turtle deck (headrest). Attached to the bottom side, would be the fabric. Look at my other photo. Note the area marked. It looks as if the fabric is glued and stitched in a "V" pattern then covered with finishing tape. I am unsure and can not find anyone that knows. The Hawk in Poland is uncovered and I had hoped someone could look and see if there were holes in the aluminum piece where it was stiched, or if they could find evidence on how the fabric was attached.


The photo below is of the Hawk in the Museum in Oshkosh, Wis, USA. I am also trying to get someone there to look at that one. There is also one in the airforce museum in Ohio but it is hanging from the ceiling. Cant look at that one.

http://www.geocities.com/avg_83essex/020_18test.jpg

FI_Willie
02-13-2005, 04:43 PM
Baseball stitch? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Dolemite-
02-13-2005, 05:47 PM
Airplanes are sewn together using yarn and scotch tape, I thought everyone knew that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

VBF-83_Hawk
02-13-2005, 09:55 PM
Hey willie,
Cant really tell but thats what I am thinking. Somehow it is glued and stitched to the aluminum instead of glued to the tubing (frame).