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Pirschjaeger
11-20-2007, 11:12 PM
I've often thought this would be the better way to go since hat switches, if they work, tend to wear-out quickly.

I was wondering if anyone had taken the time to learn to use the mouse with the left hand to look around when flying/fighting.

Fritz

LEXX_Luthor
11-20-2007, 11:20 PM
Mouse view rules! http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Smileys/thumbs.gif

I played with Mouse Sensitivity set rather high...about 4.0, maybe 5.0. I was able to look all over the sky with the most gentle feminumnumnum of wrist movements. I could scan the sky with minimal hand movement. At the same time, I use the hat switch for Zoom control. So I have one hand controlling view direction, and the other thumb controlling Zoom in view. Better than Trekkie IR.

Mouse Sensitivity is somwhere in the game's control menu I think.

However, after play, if I had to go into FMB, the mouse would fly too fast. So I had to change mouse to something like 2.0 for detailed FMB work.

HotelBushranger
11-20-2007, 11:20 PM
Yes in my flying days I used a mouse as my stick (Logitech Attack 3) doesn't have hat switches. It was fairly awkward, as I'd be using the stick with my right hand, and using the keyboard with my left (rudder etc), so to use the mouse with my left hand meant sacrificing significant aspects of my flying.

Pirschjaeger
11-20-2007, 11:25 PM
Hi Lexx,

that sounds like a good set up. How long did it take you to get used to using the mouse for viewing?

HBR,

you used the mouse to fly?!? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I've never heard of that. I'm guessing you had pedals.

Fritz

buzzsaw1939
11-21-2007, 12:23 AM
Pirsch.. I used a roller mouse with my left hand for a while, I thought it was better than the hat switch!

b2spirita
11-21-2007, 01:09 AM
pfffft (with spittle) i use a touchpad, and wery irritating it is too

buzzsaw1939
11-21-2007, 01:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif So was the roller mouse, kept getting dirt in it!

But I still liked it better than the hat switch, I could never get the hang of looking around with my thumb on the stick!

JG53Frankyboy
11-21-2007, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I've often thought this would be the better way to go since hat switches, if they work, tend to wear-out quickly.

I was wondering if anyone had taken the time to learn to use the mouse with the left hand to look around when flying/fighting.

Fritz yep , me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
since the IL2 Beta in 2001.

i have also the 3 zooms on the mousebuttons and the propeller pitch on the mousewheel.

but im still able to use the hatswitch to look around - most important here is the command to center the view to the sight.............

Feathered_IV
11-21-2007, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Mouse view rules! http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/Lexx_Luthor/Smileys/thumbs.gif

I played with Mouse Sensitivity set rather high...about 4.0, maybe 5.0. I was able to look all over the sky with the most gentle feminumnumnum of wrist movements. I could scan the sky with minimal hand movement. At the same time, I use the hat switch for Zoom control. So I have one hand controlling view direction, and the other thumb controlling Zoom in view. Better than Trekkie IR.

Mouse Sensitivity is somwhere in the game's control menu I think.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Get yourself a mouse with the extra programable buttons too. The Logitech MX510 is a great start. It's a kind of poor mans hotas. But It works amazingly well. You have the throtle on the mouse wheel. Depressing the wheel to release bombs the button in front of the wheel you can use for elevator trim down and the one behind for trim up. You'll still have five buttons left for mini-map, open/close canopy and whatever else you can think of. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HotelBushranger
11-21-2007, 02:57 AM
Noo Pirschy, what I meant was that I would switch my left hand from keyboard to mouse to look around, not fly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif And no pedals, who needs those? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
11-21-2007, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
And no pedals, who needs those? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ah, spoken like the proud owner of a twisty stick.

Well, just tried to use the mouse and flew my G2 against 4 P-40 AI. These usually an easy kill but not this time.

I guess it takes some time to get used to.

Fritz

EiZ0N
11-21-2007, 03:37 AM
Come on guys, don't be so right-handed.

Using a mouse with your left hand is easy. No harder than using it with your right, you just need to get used to it.

I'm a lefty, and for the sake of convenience I've always used the mouse in my right hand. Which is quite convenient since I prefer using the stick in my left hand, so it's win win. But I can switch, using stick in right and mouse in left, although I'm then less proficient.

Just takes a little time,and not even that much time. Use windows with your left hand for a couple of days and you'll get used to it.

sakai2005
11-21-2007, 03:43 AM
i startedout using the mouse to look around then i bought track ir.went back to the mouse its much more user friendly and works great after getting used to it.

Feathered_IV
11-21-2007, 04:30 AM
Stick with it. You'll be glad you did.

LEBillfish
11-21-2007, 04:52 AM
I've always used a mouse since my hand is too small to reach the hat. In fact, the way I rest the heel of my hand for stability means I can't even reach the triggers......As to twisty sticks that's all I've ever used as I can't use pedals with the chair I use (laying forward at about a 45 degree angle, shins and knees on side supports as I straddle a narrow leather rail that terminates about mid chest).

Worse still, unable to use my stick hand to push buttons forces me to use the keyboard for EVERYTHING except aileron/elevator/rudder and looking about.....Add to that I just can't get my left hand out of keyboard mode to look around (too uncoordinated)...A trackball mouse for my left I never could get used to....SooOooOoooo....

When I want to look around I switch my left hand to the stick and use my right....Then switch back real fast to use guns, throttle and so on.....Yep....Monkeys & Footballs....

JG53Frankyboy
11-21-2007, 04:52 AM
i just hope the Maddox team will include automatic leaning to the side when the pilot is looking over his shoulder in thier SoW series - even without using 6DOF of a TiR ..................

so a simple mousemove or the hatswitch would be enough without hitting another button in this situation.

AlGroover
11-21-2007, 04:57 AM
Yes, I use mouse left hand. Only takes a couple of days to learn. Mousewheel is throttle, RMB is wheelbrakes, hatswitch up and down is flaps and left right is rudder trim. Stick throttle is elevator trim. With this set up I hardly ever have to use the keyboard, especially during combat nor do I have to take my hand off the mouse.

Pirschjaeger
11-21-2007, 04:57 AM
I'll definitely give it some time. I've only tried it once so far. I seem to lose part of my situation awareness, especially the attitude of my plane. I know this is simply because I'm not used to it.

However difficult it was, it was also easy to see why you guys like it so much. You can keep the enemy in the center of your screen.

Fritz

JG53Frankyboy
11-21-2007, 05:00 AM
as i mentioned, keep at least one key for centering the gunsight.................... that can help in confusion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
11-21-2007, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
I've always used a mouse since my hand is too small to reach the hat. In fact, the way I rest the heel of my hand for stability means I can't even reach the triggers......As to twisty sticks that's all I've ever used as I can't use pedals with the chair I use (laying forward at about a 45 degree angle, shins and knees on side supports as I straddle a narrow leather rail that terminates about mid chest).

....

I think I need a cold shower. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Actually, i used to always use the Mouse. I`m right handed, but it only took about a week to get used to using the mouse left handed fully.

Best thing for SA next to TIR.

alert_1
11-21-2007, 05:24 AM
Mouse all the way..left hand on the mouse for looking around,buttons for flaps/radiators settings, middle button for centring view / works flawlessly for me for years online

HotelBushranger
11-21-2007, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
And no pedals, who needs those? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ah, spoken like the proud owner of a twisty stick.

Well, just tried to use the mouse and flew my G2 against 4 P-40 AI. These usually an easy kill but not this time.

I guess it takes some time to get used to.

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, don't have a twisty stick either http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
11-21-2007, 08:04 AM
Fritz,

Get one of these -
http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/terr_images.php

and then map the mouse to the RDR Cursor -
http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/images/Terrapin/c6_4.jpg

Will need a set of pedals, but trust me, you won't look back. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

gkll
11-21-2007, 12:10 PM
Get a microsoft intellipoint, load the software and then enable 'accelerated scrolling'. Then set the throttle to the wheel, the accelerated scrolling allows you to go from 0 to 100% throttle with a fast wheel movement, however if you move it slowly you still get increments of 1% or whatever you want.

Not sure any other mouse manufacturer has this scrolling feature, last check was no.

Schwarz.13
11-21-2007, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:I seem to lose part of my situation awareness, especially the attitude of my plane. I know this is simply because I'm not used to it

I've only been playing this sim 'seriously' for about 8 months but i thought i'd try to look with the mouse from the outset as i can't afford TrackIR - i AM used to it now but still find this (losing track of plane attitude/SA) to be a problem for me!

Never thought of mapping anything to the buttons though - I have an MX510 as well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Throttle/PP mapped to mousewheel is a great idea!

I still want to get TrackIR but maybe i should persevere...

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-21-2007, 05:10 PM
I never did get the hang of the orange 'mouse' button on the X-45 throttle - I use it for flaps up & down. Might have to give it another go as a proper 'mouse' again.

badatit
11-21-2007, 08:38 PM
When IL2 came out, I could never get the hat views setup to my liking. I wound up using ONE FINGER MOUSE http://www.amazon.com/ONE-FINGER-MOUSE-PS-2/dp/B000BSLT...d=1195702455&sr=8-1] (http://www.amazon.com/ONE-FINGER-MOUSE-PS-2/dp/B000BSLTII/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1195702455&sr=8-1%5D) Until I eventually bagged a TIR.
I'm left handed, but fly right handed. The finger mouse allowed me to track targets etc, with my left thumb, yet the left hand was still free for throttle adjustments, kb commands etc.