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Call_me_Kanno
11-23-2004, 07:14 PM
I seen alot of skins for the WWI Albatross plane at IL2skins.com and was curious if there is a WWI addon to FB in the works. I'm kinda out of the info circle on some of these things.

Kanno

WTE_Galway
11-23-2004, 07:34 PM
i was involved in the WWI project for a while in its early stages

the basic story

Oleg agreed to consider doing the flight models for the WWI planes if he was sent enough 3rd party WWI warbirds to warrant doing an addon, basically if he only got one or 2 planes it was not going to be worth the hastle

last I heard the project was struggling due to lack of modellers (part of the problem is the high cost of the software needed to model planes suitable for IL2 its not freeware)

short answer .. if enough people build planes it will happen, but at present that is looking very unlikely

Call_me_Kanno
11-24-2004, 04:33 PM
Thank you sir for your reply. I had heard of some plans for the WWI addon but had not heard anymore for awhile but seeing those Albatross skins made me wonder if it had indeed been developed and was about to be released. Hope it does succeed some day in being produced.

S! Kanno

sopwithkennel
11-24-2004, 05:49 PM
This would be the perfect game engine for WWI. Such a shame that we may never really see a good WWI flight sim. With BoB coming it would be great to be bombing London with Gothas.

Stiglr
11-24-2004, 05:52 PM
WWI? I'm already bored.

Flimsy kites with peashooters for weapons, lawnmower engines, and none of them can climb to save their lives.

*Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwn*

knightflyte
11-25-2004, 01:18 AM
For shirts and giggles try out Wings of War.

THEN go to the modders forum to upgrade the flight models.


http://www.polovski.com/


It's not perfect... BUT.. it IS FUN! And, for $20.00 US it's a decent diversion.

(With PF installed I've not played in a while...but there is online dogfights and an amusing campaign. And it really looks beautiful)

woofiedog
11-25-2004, 04:44 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifknightflyte... Does the WoW have a Full Mission Builder?
It sounds like a OK game.
I'm interested in the Zepplins I saw in one the screen shots.

Aaron_GT
11-25-2004, 05:34 AM
" (part of the problem is the high cost of the software needed to model planes suitable for IL2 its not freeware)"

Is there any software to convert models from free tools (e.g. The Blender) to something suitable for the projects?

TacticalYak3
11-25-2004, 06:09 AM
Early war would be a great deal of fun and a lot of challenge, perhaps even more so than WW2 (remember how hard it is to take down a fellow bi-plane in this game?). I think there are a lot of folks who would enjoy such a theatre.

WTE_Galway
11-25-2004, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
WWI? I'm already bored.

Flimsy kites with peashooters for weapons, lawnmower engines, and none of them can climb to save their lives.

*Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwn* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the interesiting thing is a lot of Il2 users seem to try and fly a WWI style turn and burn dogfight in late WWII birds

LStarosta
11-25-2004, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
WWI? I'm already bored.

Flimsy kites with peashooters for weapons, lawnmower engines, and none of them can climb to save their lives.

*Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwn* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure you'd be beaten to a bloody pulp had you said that into a WWI pilot's face back in the day. I'd laugh as his pals took turns turning your face into cherry pie, as I am sure they would take very kindly to you condescending their contributions to not only the war, but the future of air combat in general. Maybe you'll go further to say that the thousands of airmen that perished were just a silly waste... After all, they only flew... *gasp*... kites?

Unless you absolutely enjoy trolling, and you get enormous erections from seeing people's reactions to your prepubescent remarks, you should learn to keep your trap shut a little more often.

Stiglr
11-25-2004, 06:56 PM
Nevertheless, I stand by my comments.

WWI is like watching grass grow. Boring in the extreme.

x6BL_Brando
11-25-2004, 07:18 PM
So don't fly it Stig, if it ever comes along....easy, ain't it? There would be a lot of interested players taking up the challenge of those early planes with their rotary engines, open -gunsight "pea-shooters, etc. etc. Speed is relative - so who's gonna notice the lack of power compared to a WW2 plane. Go yawn somewhere else.

BlitzPig_DDT
11-25-2004, 07:35 PM
Gotta wonder why someone would read, much less post, in a thread that they care nothing about. Bizzarre.

Anyway, I can just see this bunch with WWI planes. The crying over how good the Fokker DVII is would be deafening. lol! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

repoman11
11-25-2004, 07:37 PM
I'm sure I'd like it. As it is, I'd fly exclusively on early war servers if they were popular enough. But the preference seems to be for late model.

WTE_Galway
11-25-2004, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by repoman11:
I'm sure I'd like it. As it is, I'd fly exclusively on early war servers if they were popular enough. But the preference seems to be for late model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

as the online thing is a bit of an ego trip the concern is mainly with kills and winning and hence the tendency will always be towards what has the biggest advantage in a fight

you might be surprised how popular early war is offline .. in fact there have been a lot of specifically early war offline campaigns around .. the interest was enough for ubi to consider a dedicated BoB game which is very early war

knightflyte
11-25-2004, 09:47 PM
woofiedog,

The folks over on the WOW http://www.polovski.com
forum are working on a mission builder. It is only a matter of time before they get it done.

I love IL2.... it's my sim of choice... but in WOW there is no popup whatsoever when you approach a city. The buildings and bridges scale appropriately. In IL2 the cities pop up and change model complexity as you get nearer.

Like I said earlier it's a diversion and shouldn't be compared to a REAL SIM....but it is fun.


regards,
Robert

Aaron_GT
11-26-2004, 09:25 AM
I've played on the WW1 Targetware servers, and Dawn of Aces, back in the day, and WW1 SDOE, and the WW1 planes are certainly not for everyone. They take an age to climb. But flying them can also be a total blast at times. The lack of energy conservation (can't dive fast, can't zoom climb) makes things quite a challenge! Shooting up those observation balloons in quite a hoot, though.

Aaron_GT
11-26-2004, 09:29 AM
knightflyte:
I am a bit confused by that site. Are the screenshots for Red Baron 3D or WoW? The pages say RB 3D, the names of the images suggest WoW. The screenshots look nice, although PC Pilot suggested the WoW FMs and the rocket loadouts and power ups were a little suspect! If WoW looks as good as the screenies suggest and it is possible to play it in a realistic mode (maybe with aftermarket mods) I'd be tempted.

woofiedog
11-26-2004, 11:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifThank's for the info knightflyte. I'll have to pick up WoW and give it a try.
Again Thank's

Cess_Wizard
11-26-2004, 12:38 PM
Sadly the WW1 project for IL2 has died from apathy

woofiedog
11-26-2004, 01:34 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif That is a Sad endding!
An Oleg WW1 Add-on or On it's Own would be Very Exciting. The Bi-Planes or one of my favorites for On-line play.
Oh Well... maybe there is still hope someone will step up.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-26-2004, 01:43 PM
Well that is a bit on the sad side but I am optomistic for the future as Oleg has proved you just never know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Lets see what happens once BoB is out of the way.

Daiichidoku
11-26-2004, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
WWI? I'm already bored.

Flimsy kites with peashooters for weapons, lawnmower engines, and none of them can climb to save their lives.

*Yaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwn* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stiglr, I usually have to agreee with many of your comments, but you're way off here...

WWI plane were FAR from "flimsy kites"...all too often they are referred to in the general public as "crates" and the like....nothing could be further from the truth...with proper rigging in place, WWI birds were INCREDIBLY tough and sturdy...in fact, a large part of the reluctance to many nations air forces to transition to monoplanes was the very real fact that monplanes at first simply did not have the level of airframe strength of biplanes....pilot protection was another issue, of course, but do NOT call the airframes "flimsy kites"..."you is wrong" in this regards...

Twin Spandaus are NOT peashooters, when you're using them on planes with nothing but fabric between bullet and pilot...in fact, even a single vickers K is a monster compared to what the early recce pilots used...sidearms and even trailing "skyhooks" to damage wings..

Those "lawnmower" engines were of low power, but **** dependable for the most part...and who cares abotu power anyhow?...its power-to-weight that really matters, YOU should know better

Climb?....its all relative...if everything else climbs at 200ft/min, then 400ft/min is spectacular...besides, you would be pleasantly surprised at the climb if you werre to jump into a Fokker or Sopwith triplane

Boring? PFFT!...perhaps even more of a challenge and fun wether TNB with Camels, or even BNZ (and YES, they would use BNZ tactics then) in a SE 5a's or SPAD XIIIV's

WWI can ONLY be fun with NO silly "uber" type that you inevitably get in ANY WWII flight sim...excepting, maybe, the Fokker D.VII http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ouston
11-26-2004, 04:51 PM
I would agree with Daiichidoku (hope I spelt it right and also hope I am not insulting you by suggesting a slightly more easy moniker)

I started flight sims with Flying Corps Gold which is a classic and does not seem to have been bettered. Combat Aces was a CFS2 add-on which promised to be good but seemed to have the old sniper gunners problem. You had the Hun on toast and his gunner would shot you through the head. It does have Zepps although they are tricky to shoot down. Red Baron was pretty good although fought in a totally non-Western Front environment with loads of mountains. Also seemed to involve a rather unconvincing rate of structural failure, even with planes not known for that sort of thing.

Ok - these are low powered aircraft with inadequate armament by WWII terms but recall that WWII RAF pilots were keen to learn from the veterans and tried to get hold of copies of Yeats' "Winged Victory". Flight sims cannot give you the crushing cold at 20,000 feet without oxygen, the awful sight of your friend going down in flames. Read Yeats. Boring - I don't think so.

Pip pip

Ouston

knightflyte
11-26-2004, 05:50 PM
Hi Aaron,

The site is divided into 2 parts.
Red Baron pages
and
Wings of War pages.


On this site there are mods that disable the cartoonish rockets for the AI. There are also flight mods.


Sim HQ forums has a catagory dedicated to WOW.
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=116

Snoop_Baron
11-26-2004, 07:00 PM
I would simply love a WWI sim of IL2 quality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

s!

x6BL_Brando
11-27-2004, 03:02 AM
Flimsy? I don't think so.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/Camel_4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/Albatros_1.jpg

Daiichidoku
12-03-2004, 01:43 AM
Nice pics

But funny you should say "Flimsy", then include a pic of an Albatross, a type well-known for shedding wings,....even though a rare occurence for most other types in WWI...they really were tough...wonder how on earth the misconception of flimsy kites, etc even came about in the first place?

Designs like the Alba's and SPADs look very advanced for thier day, and seem to come from the future, as the p38 did in 1939, the delta darts in the 50s or the F22 today

The Vickers Vimy crossed the Atlantic less than a year after the Great War ended..not bad for a flimsy kite

Fokker D.VIIs continued in front-line service in many countries well into the '20s

AFAIK, Junkers has also indroduced the first all metal type during WWI...but Im not sure about this

Brandenberg floatplane fighters were coveted by many....good performance, and could handle stronger seas remarkably well

x6BL_Brando
12-03-2004, 06:48 AM
You're spot on with regard to the Albatros' nasty wing-shedding habit Dai ..... I can only say that it slipped my mind in a "senior moment" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif In fact both of the aircraft shown had quite lethal habits with regard to their pilots. Many pilots were lost on take-off in the Sopwith Camel due to the torque effect of its rotary engine, as I'm sure you know! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My point was to show graphically that these birds had substance and power and many characteristics that would surely come over well if put together by Oleg & his crew. I can easily imagine how good it could be! Very different from a WW2 scenario of course, and relatively "slower" - but I think that dogfights would in fact be more intense due to the smaller area of sky flown in...

I guess I really wanted to rebuff the idea that simulated '14-18 air warfare would necessarily be slow and boring just because it comes from an earlier era of aviation.

Brotrob
12-03-2004, 09:21 AM
Ahhh, WWI..

That would be cool, so sad all Projects on this forgotten Battle died (KoE, WwW) and RB 3D is quite a bit old no, although it has some nice free add-ons.

But if we are realistic, there will never be a WWI SIM, at least not including the End of 1918. Even in the unbelievably good and legendary RB 3D they admitted, that it was necesary to tone down or not include the Fokker DVII F ( the one with BMW IIIa ), couse it was so uber these days.
So after noticing the "balancing" of planes happening in FB now, I'm quite happy we dont have a WWI sim from 1C. I can already hear the folks complaining about Camels slower and SE5's not being able to climb with the DVII F.
So better this legendary plane stays untouched by marketing-ruled Programmers.

So build those crates, instead of flying them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/brotrob/100_0265.jpg