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WTE_Ibis
12-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Logitech?? Force??? 3D Pro


http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/E...2221,CONTENTID=10714 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2221,CONTENTID=10714)

Is it worth buying or like the rest of their sticks

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VMF-214_HaVoK
12-09-2006, 09:48 PM
I can only yell you this.

I have never owned the stick you mention but did own 3 other Logitech sticks. All of them broke inside of 6 months.

Currently I run a year old X-52 and it performs superbly. Before that I owned an Sidewinder Precision 2. It was a great stick for many years.

I suspect you are looking for a stick in the 40 dollar range. If so you could most likely find a SP2 on ebay.

I have heard many good things about the Saitek EVO which seems to be the standard replacement for the MSP2 since has been discontinued.

In my personal opinion Logitech does not make a very good flight stick. But it does make extremely good mice, ie MX510 that I own.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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3.JG51_BigBear
12-10-2006, 01:56 AM
Gotta agree, never had any luck with Logitech sticks. I don't know why they are so prone to failure and how they stay in business given their overall crapiness.

For similar money you could get the Saitek Evo ForceFeedback. I own the standard evo, the X-52 and now the AV8R and I like them all. The Saitek sticks also seem to last forever.

Pig_Mac
12-10-2006, 02:13 AM
Add me to the 'agree that logitech sticks are ****' list. I've had 2, one forcefeedback, one normal. both went down in no time.

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HotelBushranger
12-10-2006, 02:23 AM
I've only ever had a Logitech, so I don't really know what to compare my experiences with http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I've had to Logitech Attack 3 for a few years now, for $35 AUD it's a pretty good stick, value for money. I've had pretty consistent minorish/border major problems with it but I manage to still coaxe a good time out of it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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rnzoli
12-10-2006, 02:42 AM
recently looked at it as well in a shop, but I saw an "X-ray" picture on the side of the box, showing the same crappy mechanics inside, which become loose and inaccurate in a matter of months

so I would be quite surprised, if it was better than their former FFB stick, the Wingman 3D FFB<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Yskonyn23
12-10-2006, 03:45 AM
Well to put in some confusion for the OP http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I have owned 2 Logitech Wingman Extreme sticks, the initial one and the 3D version and I was very pleased with both of them, however the 3D version had twisting stick for rudder, but this was completely useless. The sensors were far too itchy to be of any use, but the rest of the stick was ok, especially for its price.

The initial Wingman Extreme was the best, though. You could abuse this stick like there was no tomorrow, but mine still works.

I do agree though that they tend to loose their precision after a year or so of intensive use, but then again its not really fair to compare a stick like this with a 150+ dollar combo like the Saitek X52.

I always found Logitech to offer great sticks for low prices, but I am talking about years back, maybe that has changed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Friendly_flyer
12-10-2006, 04:14 AM
My experience is the same as Yskonyns. I have a Logitec Wingman Extreme that has seen continuous abuse since my X-wing days. Half a year ago or so a small plastic strut engaging the springs that keep the stick centred broke off. It was relatively easy taking the stick apart and fix the strut in place with glue, and reinforcing it with a piece of wire.

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hanspahlen
12-10-2006, 05:03 AM
I would avoid that stick.
I have tried it on 2 of my own computers, and IL2 is almost unflyable. Something is wrong with inputs from the stick, they are far too strong. Nothing you can do about it either, adjusting curves will not help.
I also have a friend who has esactly the same problem, he tried 2 samples (as I did).

Then we switched to Saitek sticks, no problems at all and flying was a lot easier. Saitek sticks are great for Il2, all the way from cheaper types up to X-45 and X-52 that I am currently using.

oFZo
12-10-2006, 07:14 AM
My force 3D has lasted three years so far and is still OK! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Elite]cobrae
12-10-2006, 07:49 AM
I have to agree to an extent ... I got a Logitech Extreme digital 3d 5 years ago I think ... and It still would work if I hadent torn it apart to make a gated shifter for racing games lol .... I bought my refurbished X45 4-5 years ago and still use it but its not too healthy anymore lol I love my X45 and would rccomend saitek to anyone<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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voyager_663rd
12-10-2006, 08:36 AM
12 logitech extreme 3d's in 4 1/2 years.

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WTE_Ibis
12-10-2006, 05:02 PM
Thanks to all those that answered my question.
I had heard of problems with Logitech but I had a Wingman interceptor and it was a great stick especially smooth through the centering where my
CH stick is clunky in that regard.
It also lasted four or five years untill I hamfistedly broke the rudder lever which was uniquely placed just below the trigger and activated with your "bird" finger, it worked extremely well. Now of course we have moved on to USB.
I thought I would try force feedback when this stick was offered new and at the right price.
I had an X45 and absolutely hated that stick (the centering spring)but love the throttle which I still use with the CH stick.
Thanks again for your responses.
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leitmotiv
12-10-2006, 07:16 PM
The Pro delivers such a small dollop of force-feedback you may as well use one of the non-FF sticks. The Logitech Wingman 3D does deliver FF and is a very good stick. I retired mine after a year of splendid service when I switched to the king of flight simulator sticks, the Microsoft SideWinder 2 FF. Note: most Logitech stick problems are the result of not using the Logitech Clear Calibration Utility when the stick starts to misbehave.

AKA_TAGERT
12-10-2006, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Logitech?? Force??? 3D Pro


http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/E...2221,CONTENTID=10714 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2221,CONTENTID=10714)

Is it worth buying or like the rest of their sticks

Thanks.

. Had one.. junk! Better to go onto ebay and buy a MSFF2! You can find used one and ones that are still in the box! All for around a hung.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TSmoke
12-10-2006, 09:25 PM
Well I have used Logitech 3d pro..and their forcefeedback sticks..they all fell apart in less than six months.

However the Logitech Wingman Interceptor is a really nice feeling stick and seems to be off a much higher quality in manufacture. The usb adaptor and a quick download fix for XP it works just fine.

Best deal was, bought it off of ebay for a buck. Best stick I have used for quite sometime. Makes the MSFFB2 look like the hunk o junk that it is.

Flying_Aussie
12-10-2006, 09:38 PM
don't waste your money. i brought one recently and it was a waste of money ($99 Aus brand new). i'm now looking to upgrade to a x52

Bearcat99
12-10-2006, 09:48 PM
y experience with Logitech has not been good. They make nice speakers.... keyboards & mice..... but thier joysticks from my experience are not as good as they could be. If I were you I would go with Saitek or bite the bullet and go CH. IMO Cougars may be good... but no joystick is worth the hundreds of dollars you will spend for ther stick and the right mods to make it decent, especially not when there are less expensive and more reliable alternatives. Saitek is by far best bang for buck. When I used to work PT in Best Buy's PCHO deptartment (PC Home Office) I actually set up a PC with that very joystick and FB 3.0... that was how I was able to sell so many of them. I just had the track running looped and it was a hoot to see people walking by stop and go..."OOooOoOooo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif". I sold a lot of RAM, video cards and joysticks too..... LOL. I really recomend that you get a X-45 or an X-52... or a CH setup. CH is more money but I have yet to hear any serious complaints about the sticks.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-11-2006, 04:06 AM
Same here. Two Logitech sticks. First no FFB, second, yes.

Both affected by Parkinson and lousy twist control in a few months. A nightmare.

Now I have a Saitek EVO Cyborg, and well, while not perfect, at least it is solid and does not tremble like jelly.

Zoom2136
12-11-2006, 09:39 AM
One word CCRRAAPP...

If you want one PM me... got a brand new one in the box got used maybe.... 4-5 hours tops...

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Chuck_Older
12-11-2006, 10:11 AM
When I did more race car simming, I had a logictech wheel (or three). I loved how it felt, it seemed sturdy and it was comfortable; didn't seem cheap.

They were all junk. I'm not hard on these things, and they all broke. As I was re-wiring in microswitches on a 3 month old wheel, I made a mental note to think twice about buying Logitech. maybe they are better now<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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