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Orfson
01-25-2005, 02:14 AM
Hi everyone.
I read a lot about trimming - and I use trimming since CFS1.
Ok, now I discover (IL2+patches) that the 109 can't trim the rudder (neither ailerons) while in flight. Someone told me that's realistic, Ok.
When I fly at full throttle I see the ball drifting on thr right, and to correct that i must give rudder correction. Is that an effect of the propeller torque? I think so, because while I slow down the throttle I see the ball come back in neutral position.
So, 109-ers, what do you do to make your plane fly straight? Constant rudder correcttion? It seems very difficult to do whith the stick's twist, and also with rudder pedals it's difficult... After I while - expescially when a dogfight begins - I stop watching the ball and let the little bastard go as he whish (...well, not exacltly).
Thanx.

mynameisroland
01-25-2005, 03:48 AM
You cant trim the rudder because the 109 did not have a trimmable rudder until the K4 - im not even sure if this had it. So theres realism for you.

Orfson
01-25-2005, 05:26 AM
Ok, I understand that. What I'd like to know is how people fly tis plane. Whether you corret - i.e. try t keep the ball centered - or you let the lane drift a bit to the right (right?).

ColoradoBBQ
01-25-2005, 06:34 AM
Its best to center the ball to obtain the maximum velocity.

mynameisroland
01-25-2005, 06:51 AM
i fly with a slight twist of rudder to correct it but it does affect my gunnery and flight path regardles. Ideally you would always apply rudder but i have a cyborg stick with the twist action rudder and i find it to difficult to correct all of the time. So i get used to shooting taking in to acc the yaw of the plane. In high speed dashes i make sure i hold her steady but in a turn / climb fight i just concentrate on elevator and aerilons

Orfson
01-25-2005, 06:55 AM
That's what I do. I also jerk around with the rudder, trying to put my nose onto enemy planes. Someone says doing so will also confuse the enemy pursuing you (?).

LEXX_Luthor
01-25-2005, 07:43 AM
roland try to get racing pedals--save money by going with no force feedback wheel. The 40$ wheel/pedals work Awsum, plug into phone jack in wheel which plugs into usb port, and come with no software to hassle with. Truly plug~n~play. Never could hit targets until I got my working class racing pedals. Only problem is my pedals took over the joystick settings and moved my stick settings to another setting group in "conf" file. Easy fix.

flyingscampi
01-25-2005, 07:55 AM
"How many time have I told you - never fly straight and level for more than 30 seconds in a combat area!"

Had to be said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Orfson
01-25-2005, 07:59 AM
The point is that I can't - I really CAN'T! - fly straight! Even during takeoff or landing, whether enemies nearby or not! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

mynameisroland
01-25-2005, 08:14 AM
Thanks Luther ill look in to it ; )

At the moment I ive around 5.5 - 6 % accuracy online , but then i also sometimes go He111's and Bf 110's whenever the Fw190 isnt available and fire off all my gunners rounds to scare away pursuers which does little to enhance my accuracy. On some Fw sorties ill get 10 - 11% and down 4 or 5 planes. Im sure that with rudder in put my rounds will land more on target and aid deflection shooting.

JG53Frankyboy
01-25-2005, 08:18 AM
while marching i keep power between 70-80% so the 109 fly roughly straight.
in combat, im firing only at very close range, so i dodnt care http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
01-25-2005, 08:47 AM
my major gripe with the 109 is lack of rudder/aliron trim

i wanna trim plane to fly roughly where im going, then i can read book/magazine on way to taget, or enjoy inflight snack, goto the loo etc

in short, trim is ur friend

also in fb, rudder trim is abit pointless, cos they have torque roll the plane, rather than yaw (asin real life), so to fly straightish u need rediculous rudder, so u crab along http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

yesterday while flying with the 99th, trimmed out, took pee stop, returned, flew onwards to target and together we destroyed the target airfield http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MOH_SKID.
01-25-2005, 03:09 PM
Orfson,

I have CH Pro Pedals and I just rest the ball of my foot on the "heel rest" of the right rudder pedal enough to "centre the ball". It has become second nature. Of course, I do it out of habit even when I'm *not* in a 109. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

S~
Skid

hobnail
01-25-2005, 05:36 PM
Adolf Galland remarked that you could tell 109 drivers as one leg was always bigger than the other.

The plane will trim up at optimum cruise (~90% throttle) it will still swing when above or below that regime.

3.JG51_BigBear
01-25-2005, 06:53 PM
I'm not sure of the other models because I haven't seen any documentation, but the G-6 and later should zero themselves out at around 400kpm. Other than that you shouldn't need to much rudder to keep in check. In real life the 109 had a ridiculously light rudder and the yaw of the aircraft could be corrected fairly easily.

FatBoyHK
01-26-2005, 01:50 AM
If you can get away with the realism and the money issue, buy a set of Thrustmaster Cougar, it support programmable trimming.... that is, trimming done on the Hotas, not in the game.... therefore, you can trim a 109 even the game doesn't permit you to do so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Orfson
01-26-2005, 02:03 AM
Thanks for the infos.
I'm using an old TM Elite rudder, with a quite strong spring, and keeping the beloved little bastard ball centered isn't that easy... I'll develop my right leg muscles! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
But if that was the way the 109 behaved, it's ok for me. I like Il2 because of this "small" details, so no way adding "virtual trimming" to the 109 - but I have to admit I was thinking about tweaking the Elite's pot to add this sort of "cheat trimmer" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks again. I like this community.