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BJR1988
09-14-2006, 01:34 PM
I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.

Esel1964
09-14-2006, 06:55 PM
You're about to become acquainted with the terms "uber" and "porked". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Welcome to the community,and have fun!

Lucius_Esox
09-14-2006, 07:02 PM
I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.

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-HH-Quazi
09-14-2006, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.

Welcome to the community m8. But you are fixing to open up an old stinky can of worms I believe. I hope not. Let's discuss this like mature adults m8s. HEHE

Targ
09-14-2006, 07:54 PM
It's the man not the machine.
Welcome to the zoo.

Xiolablu3
09-14-2006, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.

You flew them back then?

Cool, give us some insight as to what is wrong with them pls.

BuzzU
09-14-2006, 07:58 PM
The uber is porked!

I'm just saying.

Akronnick
09-14-2006, 08:34 PM
WOW, that has to be a record, Ameri-whining on his very first post.

American planes are harder to fly well, so new pilots tend to loose out to Pilots who know how to others who know what they're doing.

What I'm going to say next is going to make people mad, but it needs to be said.

This sim has been out for about five years. It is not perfect, but it is better than anything that has come before or since. When someone posts this:

I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.

as their very first post, on the very first day that they are registered, it is hard to take that person seriously. The component that is not performing to expected specifications isn't the engine ot the airframe, it resides between the Joystick and the Seat.

You can't expect to be taken seriously if you haven't been flying long enough to figure out how to operate the gear on the F4F.

major_setback
09-14-2006, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
The uber is porked!

I'm just saying.

Wrong way around. The pork is uber:

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quasimodo_3
09-14-2006, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.
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US stayed away from cannon armament for most of WWII, so you don't get the immediate sense of gratification of blowing stuff up IMHO. A disabled axis plane is pretty much out of the fight in RL, and the 50's did their part.
In game, it seems like it's always a battle to the death and B&Z'ers usually wind up fighting
to a more manueverable Axis plane's strengths.

If the US had a bigger role in interception than it did in escort maybe it would have meant putting heavier armament into the airframe or a lighter airframe that could stay with those nimble German and Japanese planes. The Germans were trying to put four engined bombers out of commission, and the European Allies likewise so they had the firepower to end it quick. The Pacific theater wasn't all that porked...look at the Corsair. Can't kill it too easily and it's got 20mm cannon in '45.

Bearcat99
09-14-2006, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.

If you just got the sim... and please dont take it personally... you are not yet qualified to make an accurate judgement. Fly it for a few months.. yes I said months.... fiddle with CEM... pick a plane and learn it. You may still find that some planes may not be what it seems they should.. but I gaurantee you that you will find all of them better than you think they are now. If yo are referring to the guns.. then just practice... they arent as bad as they seem either... although it is debateable whether or not they could be better. I have set 109s on fire with a well placxed 2 second burst from a P-51D... and even a B once or twice.

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 07:26 AM
Not qualified???????? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

OK,
Here is what I see is wrong with these statements. First off it is a game and nobody is qualified. All I will say about that.

Before I get started, It is a nice sim but here it goes;

What I see wrong with the flight characteristics and not only US but now also some of the German planes to.(FW-190 for example)

1. No speed retension. Sorry, but aircraft do not losse their speed as fast as they do during a controlled turn in the sim.

2. Forward pitch is way to high.

3. Center of gravity seems to pivot around the center of the plane no matter what fuel load you have

4. Planes react to fast to stick movement. Yes I have meesed with the input controls.

5. Centering the ball as it put is not as hard to do as in this sim. Could be controller issue and to sensitive.

6. Love the cannons, 50 seem to do some good shreading, (Actually this is a good point)

7. Hellcat speed way to low, P51 speed and exceleration way to low, Corsair climb rate way to low. P47 dog slow to climb

In summeration, the planes that did the some of the most damage during the war, P51, FW-190, p-47, Corsair, Hellcat do not get to use the advantage that they had. Speed and surprise. The famouse hey, here I am, your gone and I am out of here cannot happen. If I am zooming in from 10K down to 6K to make a attack, I will be gone before anyone notices. However, planes like the spit, zero, LA, Yak, BF-109 will still catch me as I am going away. Not likely. So not only the US planes suffer but most of the heavier ones do. Not quite right. However, the US planes minus the wildcat, P40, are of this standard of wieght. So, yes the US planes are substandard compared to the rest.

Oh yeah, I forgot, I am not qualified to make these assumptions.

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 07:31 AM
You can't expect to be taken seriously if you haven't been flying long enough to figure out how to operate the gear on the F4F.

Oh you mean lower and rise them manualy. Mayby I am making assumptions http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:

If you just got the sim... and please dont take it personally... you are not yet qualified to make an accurate judgement. Fly it for a few months.. yes I said months.... fiddle with CEM... pick a plane and learn it. You may still find that some planes may not be what it seems they should.. but I gaurantee you that you will find all of them better than you think they are now. If yo are referring to the guns.. then just practice... they arent as bad as they seem either... although it is debateable whether or not they could be better. I have set 109s on fire with a well placxed 2 second burst from a P-51D... and even a B once or twice.

It does not take a few months to realize that something is wrong. I made my post above of what find wrong.

But I will say nice eye candy tho. Plenty of rides to choose from. It really is a nice sim, just rough around the edges from what I posted above.

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:

If you just got the sim... and please dont take it personally... you are not yet qualified to make an accurate judgement. Fly it for a few months.. yes I said months.... fiddle with CEM... pick a plane and learn it. You may still find that some planes may not be what it seems they should.. but I gaurantee you that you will find all of them better than you think they are now. If yo are referring to the guns.. then just practice... they arent as bad as they seem either... although it is debateable whether or not they could be better. I have set 109s on fire with a well placxed 2 second burst from a P-51D... and even a B once or twice.

It does not take a few months to realize that something is wrong. I made my post above of what find wrong.

But I will say nice eye candy tho. Plenty of rides to choose from. It really is a nice sim, just rough around the edges from what I posted above. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pls tell us, which planes have you flown, and what is wrong with them in the game?

rnzoli
09-15-2006, 07:42 AM
I just got this game

of course.
and you just tried and thoroughly tested several different aircraft types.
including non-historic fights again soviet fighters.
of course.

I have a better suggestion. Why don't you just tell us, what is your other callsign on the forums, so that we know your whole agenda right away? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I just got this game

of course.
and you just tried and thoroughly tested several different aircraft types.
including non-historic fights again soviet fighters.
of course.

I have a better suggestion. Why don't you just tell us, what is your other callsign on the forums, so that we know your whole agenda right away? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BrewsterPilot
09-15-2006, 07:47 AM
Raaid's got himself a friend now! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

No, really. Mods check the IP, see if it's someone we know??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Prop_Strike
09-15-2006, 07:57 AM
Are you using rudder pedals?.....centering the ball is very easy if you do....sounds like you may have your controls set a bit sensitive.

BTW...If you zoom down at full speed in an FW190 or a P51, have a shot,and keep going....there is no way Im gonna catch you in a Spit or a Zero.....trust me. If I catch you, you're doing something wrong.

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 07:57 AM
Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here. I got the game from advise from a coworker of mine that said it was realy realistic and he made the suggestion because he knows how much I like to fly. I guess someone cannot ask questions to try and get some light on things. Enjoy your game. I guess I will go back to reality and enjoy the weekend flying without the guns a blazing.

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here. I got the game from advise from a coworker of mine that said it was realy realistic and he made the suggestion because he knows how much I like to fly. I guess someone cannot ask questions to try and get some light on things. Enjoy your game. I guess I will go back to reality and enjoy the weekend flying without the guns a blazing.

Oh contrare, I am sure you will be around here often. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I willask for the 3rd and last time. Which WW2 planes have you flown to comment on how well a FW190 or P47 looses energy?

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BJR1988:
Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here. I got the game from advise from a coworker of mine that said it was realy realistic and he made the suggestion because he knows how much I like to fly. I guess someone cannot ask questions to try and get some light on things. Enjoy your game. I guess I will go back to reality and enjoy the weekend flying without the guns a blazing.

You STILL avoided my question, which planes have you flown? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I have flown (wish I owned) P51, P47, T-28, Cessna Sky Hawk, Corsair, Pipers. Why does it matter. I am not qualified to ask such questions. Like I said, have fun with your game. Sorry to have come here to ask questions.

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BJR1988:
Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here. I got the game from advise from a coworker of mine that said it was realy realistic and he made the suggestion because he knows how much I like to fly. I guess someone cannot ask questions to try and get some light on things. Enjoy your game. I guess I will go back to reality and enjoy the weekend flying without the guns a blazing.

You STILL avoided my question, which planes have you flown? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I have flown (wish I owned) P51, P47, T-28, Cessna Sky Hawk, Corsair, Pipers. Why does it matter. I am not qualified to ask such questions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Cool, I would like to correspond with you about more intricate detail of the flight model, could you PT me and we can swap emails http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry if I was harsh but there are some guys who create aliases and come back with stupid comments of whihc they have no real authority to say, real lowlives actually. WIth many more pretenders than real pilots we have to be sure that its not just some fool. Of course, if you are real, I am sure you will understand this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Your experience with these planes will be invaluable.

stanford-ukded
09-15-2006, 08:09 AM
It is apparant that you have not read many posts here. 99% of posts are people WHINING about something, so to say it's not welcome makes me think you're blind.

Second of all, you have come to these forums with a very high and mighty "i know everything" attitude, when it is possible (although obviously not impossible) you don't. Criticism is not discouraged on these forums in any way, so long as it's constructive. Rather than blandly stating X, Y and Z are wrong, why don't you SUPPORT your arguments with relevant, authoritative sources and try to have a discussion.

Instead you seem to be acting in a very immature manner, and frankly I don't care if you don't come back!

BrewsterPilot
09-15-2006, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
It is apparant that you have not read many posts here. 99% of posts are people WHINING about something, so to say it's not welcome makes me think you're blind.

Second of all, you have come to these forums with a very high and mighty "i know everything" attitude, when it is possible (although obviously not impossible) you don't. Criticism is not discouraged on these forums in any way, so long as it's constructive. Rather than blandly stating X, Y and Z are wrong, why don't you SUPPORT your arguments with relevant, authoritative sources and try to have a discussion.

Instead you seem to be acting in a very immature manner, and frankly I don't care if you don't come back!

Well put. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

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and. . .


IBTL (woo-hoo, finally first)

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 08:22 AM
I have Pted BJR, I am sure if he is real, he will respond and understand why people have to be sceptical around here.


I would love to meet someone who has owned all those planes. WOuld be a great insight into them.

I dont hold out much hope, after all the idiots in here, but perhaps there is a 1% chance he is real.

Heres hoping! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(I am a bit worried baout the name tho - BJR = Baldie Junior? and 1988 (birthdate?)

rnzoli
09-15-2006, 08:24 AM
Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here.

this game is at the end of its life, commenting on its numerous shortcomings is not going to change anything, and questioning the reasons will lead you nowhere (as opposed to questioning the possibilities to make the best of them)

maybe you have too much RL experience compared to a game, which engine was designed years ago, ready to retire now

if this is the case, make sure you will be one of the first persons to pick up a brand new copy of SoW:BoB, with a completely re-designed flight modeling engine, and post your comments about it

the situation will be totally different, as the developer can and should correct problems in the new FM (if they remain)

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 08:30 AM
I would love to meet someone who has owned all those planes. WOuld be a great insight into them.



Sorry, said I wished I owned, just had a chance to fly them.

Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
Second of all, you have come to these forums with a very high and mighty "i know everything" attitude, when it is possible (although obviously not impossible) you don't. Criticism is not discouraged on these forums in any way, so long as it's constructive. Rather than blandly stating X, Y and Z are wrong, why don't you SUPPORT your arguments with relevant, authoritative sources and try to have a discussion.

Hmmm. I don't remember saying I know everything.
I came and asked a question, alot said I was not qualified to ask, so I wrote some stuff that I thought was wrong to try and get some insight and got attacked. I am not going any farther with this. It is a game and I am not going to spend time on a internet forum getting bashed for asking questions about something. I will just enjoy it for what it is.

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here.

this game is at the end of its life, commenting on its numerous shortcomings is not going to change anything, and questioning the reasons will lead you nowhere (as opposed to questioning the possibilities to make the best of them)

maybe you have too much RL experience compared to a game, which engine was designed years ago, ready to retire now

if this is the case, make sure you will be one of the first persons to pick up a brand new copy of SoW:BoB, with a completely re-designed flight modeling engine, and post your comments about it

the situation will be totally different, as the developer can and should correct problems in the new FM (if they remain) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you talking about Battle of Britain 2 Wings of I think Victory. I tried that one also. Saw it on the shelve at Best Buy. Unfortunately, I do not think I should comment on that one.

BrewsterPilot
09-15-2006, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here.

this game is at the end of its life, commenting on its numerous shortcomings is not going to change anything, and questioning the reasons will lead you nowhere (as opposed to questioning the possibilities to make the best of them)

maybe you have too much RL experience compared to a game, which engine was designed years ago, ready to retire now

if this is the case, make sure you will be one of the first persons to pick up a brand new copy of SoW:BoB, with a completely re-designed flight modeling engine, and post your comments about it

the situation will be totally different, as the developer can and should correct problems in the new FM (if they remain) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you talking about Battle of Britain 2 Wings of I think Victory. I tried that one also. Saw it on the shelve at Best Buy. Unfortunately, I do not think I should comment on that one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Absolutely not! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

We are talking about Storm of War:Battle of Britain, the next generation simulation from Oleg Maddox, the creator of IL2. Battle of Britain is the first in the series of Storm of War, which will go through almost all the theaters, just like IL2.

Now I even more think you are someone from these forums. Baldie perhaps?

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 09:21 AM
He's a fraud guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
He's a fraud guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

"Posted by PM from Xiolablu3
"What do you think I can do with your name? I gave you mine?

We know Oleg Maddox's name, I know all my koche online friends names.

Sorry but you would understand if you really had flown P47s. What with all the 'pretenders' about'

Its only your friggen name for gods sake. The guy at your licence office could be a serial murderer, does that stop you replcacing your Driving licence?

Geez, I guess oyu are a fraud."

Thats right, I am a fraud. Enjoy your game

-HH-Quazi
09-15-2006, 09:33 AM
As much as you think you know what you are talking about, the fact of the matter is that this "game" as you call it was qualified by over 40 real life pilots that flew these aircraft at some point in time in their lives. Each ac is modeled to it's own unique characteristics called its' FM or flight model. This is not an arcade game. This is as close to a simulation that you will ever find on a PC. I have personally met and spoken with two pilots that flew these ac in WWII, one was a Hellcat\Corsair\SBD pilot, the other flew P-47's & P-40's. Both said that these ac fly as close to the real thing than any other flight simulation on the market. If it is a "game" you want, then go pick up any other flight sim you can find and have fun in your arcade. If you are interested in learning to fly a particular ac to learn its' strengths and weaknesses. If you want to face the same issues pilots faced when engaging another ac in real life. If you are interested in a real close as you can get to the real thing simulation, then take the time as we all have and learn to fly. And when I say time? This isn't plug-n-play. It takes time. And until you do, you are not qualified to judge any aspect of this sim. Now, that is not saying you can't have an opinion.

Maybe I should have just said this in my post instead of the above: "If you are looking for an arcade game, you need to look further for we consider this a simulation."

-HH-Quazi
09-15-2006, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
He's a fraud guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

No m8. He is legit.

bienenbaer
09-15-2006, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
Not qualified???????? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

OK,
Here is what I see is wrong with these statements. First off it is a game and nobody is qualified. All I will say about that.

Before I get started, It is a nice sim but here it goes;

What I see wrong with the flight characteristics and not only US but now also some of the German planes to.(FW-190 for example)

1. No speed retension. Sorry, but aircraft do not losse their speed as fast as they do during a controlled turn in the sim.

2. Forward pitch is way to high.

3. Center of gravity seems to pivot around the center of the plane no matter what fuel load you have

4. Planes react to fast to stick movement. Yes I have meesed with the input controls.

5. Centering the ball as it put is not as hard to do as in this sim. Could be controller issue and to sensitive.

6. Love the cannons, 50 seem to do some good shreading, (Actually this is a good point)

7. Hellcat speed way to low, P51 speed and exceleration way to low, Corsair climb rate way to low. P47 dog slow to climb

In summeration, the planes that did the some of the most damage during the war, P51, FW-190, p-47, Corsair, Hellcat do not get to use the advantage that they had. Speed and surprise. The famouse hey, here I am, your gone and I am out of here cannot happen. If I am zooming in from 10K down to 6K to make a attack, I will be gone before anyone notices. However, planes like the spit, zero, LA, Yak, BF-109 will still catch me as I am going away. Not likely. So not only the US planes suffer but most of the heavier ones do. Not quite right. However, the US planes minus the wildcat, P40, are of this standard of wieght. So, yes the US planes are substandard compared to the rest.

Oh yeah, I forgot, I am not qualified to make these assumptions.

Actually you point out some issues that have controversially discussed before. Some people bet their honour on their opinion, which is whay they are not open to discussion.

Some other issue concerning the flight model have been discussed before as well and those I find much more relevant to judge on a flight sim:

- ground behaviour; especially diffculty to take off;
- torques effects; are their physics and amount right?
- How is landing compared to the real thing, e.g. ground effects?
- stall and spin - close to real?

Would be nice to still hear from you.

F6_Ace
09-15-2006, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
As much as you think you know what you are talking about, the fact of the matter is that this "game" as you call it was qualified by over 40 real life pilots that flew these aircraft at some point in time in their lives.

Can you just clarify something here. Didn't those 40 pilots qualify the original Il-2 as opposed to what we've had since the FM change? I'm not stirring, I just can't remember what their 'validation' applied to.

BJR1988
09-15-2006, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
As much as you think you know what you are talking about, the fact of the matter is that this "game" as you call it was qualified by over 40 real life pilots that flew these aircraft at some point in time in their lives. Each ac is modeled to it's own unique characteristics called its' FM or flight model. This is not an arcade game. This is as close to a simulation that you will ever find on a PC. I have personally met and spoken with two pilots that flew these ac in WWII, one was a Hellcat\Corsair\SBD pilot, the other flew P-47's & P-40's. Both said that these ac fly as close to the real thing than any other flight simulation on the market. If it is a "game" you want, then go pick up any other flight sim you can find and have fun in your arcade. If you are interested in learning to fly a particular ac to learn its' strengths and weaknesses. If you want to face the same issues pilots faced when engaging another ac in real life. If you are interested in a real close as you can get to the real thing simulation, then take the time as we all have and learn to fly. And when I say time? This isn't plug-n-play. It takes time. And until you do, you are not qualified to judge any aspect of this sim. Now, that is not saying you can't have an opinion.

Maybe I should have just said this in my post instead of the above: "If you are looking for an arcade game, you need to look further for we consider this a simulation."

HH-Quazi,
Let me first off say I am sorry to call it a game. I do respect the quality of the sim and have stated it before. You are right, when you say take the time to learn to fly in this sim. I was just hoping to shed some light and was hoping someone could tell the best setup for this sim. The settings my coworker told me to use do not help the issues that I found with it and was wondering if there are other settings out there to help solve what I have found. Once again, I am sorry if I affended anyone but my people skills are not the best (Ask my wife) so I will leave and take it for what it is and enjoy the fact that it is quite the sim my coworker said it was.

WOLFMondo
09-15-2006, 10:03 AM
Sounds like your controller setup is half the issue here. I'm convinced half the whines on this forum are due to controller setup.

Trouble is BJR1988, if you come here and say somethings not right, you need to prove it. No one listens to anyone when it comes to accurate flight models without providing data to back themselves up. Not pilot annecdotes, but actual test data.

Its the nature of these forums, don't take it to heart.

carguy_
09-15-2006, 10:07 AM
I can`t help the feeling that he is just an alter nick troll.

WOLFMondo
09-15-2006, 10:15 AM
Its Kurfurst! I know it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

faustnik
09-15-2006, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
In summeration, the planes that did the some of the most damage during the war, P51, FW-190, p-47, Corsair, Hellcat do not get to use the advantage that they had.


PF physics favor the lighter fighters. As only an armchair pilot, I'm not qualified to judge the accuracy of the model. Being constant readers of technical and anecdotal accounts of WW2 aircraft and combat, however, many of the posters here question the advantages of the T&B fighters in the sim.


BUT, it isn't going to change, so, take it or leave it. Try to develop specific tactics to negate the exaggerated advantages of the Spitfire/109 type fighters. Use horizontal instead of vertical extensions and always maintain the highest possible speeds. You know you will bleed tremendous amounts of energy in turns, so, avoid turning more than 30 degrees.

Feathered_IV
09-15-2006, 10:18 AM
BJR = BaldieJR?

He was on thin ice here with BC yesterday....

Brain32
09-15-2006, 10:41 AM
This is pretty funny, first of all I don't know and don't care if guy is "legit" or "fraud".
The funny thing is people "attacked" a guy that simply noticed one thing we all here discussed on numerous occasions. We have a 22 pages long thread under name "What's wrong with E-retention?" and this guy actually commented the very same thing. Heavy fighters in il2 have all disadvantages of heavy weight but either don't have or don't have enough of positive points of heavy weight, this is a common fact here so I really don't understand such response. Is it because he said "all USA feels strange"? Well newsflash USA fighters are all heavy category so it's no wonder he said that IMO.
OK P51 speed and acceleration is strange, maybe the guy though it's a higher boost level P51, well it isn't, it's a plain P51 running at 100octane fuel pushing 67". Regarding P47 I never saw it being mentioned as a good climber and I consider it one of the best planes in the game(one of my favourites http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) I will not comment the Hellcat as Pacific things are not in my closer interest and I know next to nothing about those planes, all I know that Corsair in the game goes left and right like mad - is it correct I have no clue...
All in all, to topic starter, you are correct some things are not excatly like they suppose to be but remember that this is a upgraded 5 year old engine, that you are running it on home computer, not specialized military simulator, and that as such inspite of all it's flaws it's still as good as it can get - (Stigler disclaimer: IMO and yes I tried TW).

Bearcat99
09-15-2006, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
Oh well, I guess I can see that if someone makes a comment about the game that might say something is not right is not welcome here. I got the game from advise from a coworker of mine that said it was realy realistic and he made the suggestion because he knows how much I like to fly. I guess someone cannot ask questions to try and get some light on things. Enjoy your game. I guess I will go back to reality and enjoy the weekend flying without the guns a blazing.

Dont take it that way.. I told you not to take it personally.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

No offense meant at all.... but this sim is kind of layered. I have been flying in here since IL2 and I have noticed that it just takes a lot of time and fiddling... with every patch, things that I and others may have thought were bugs or not right... actually turned out to be more control issues. Thats all I meant. It does take time. There are issues with the sim for sure... but they arent show stoppers and I have found that with practice there are far fewer issues than initially percieved.



Originally posted by BJR1988:
Not qualified???????? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
OK,
Here is what I see is wrong with these statements. First off it is a game and nobody is qualified. All I will say about that.
Before I get started, It is a nice sim but here it goes;

What I see wrong with the flight characteristics and not only US but now also some of the German planes to.(FW-190 for example)

1. No speed retension. Sorry, but aircraft do not losse their speed as fast as they do during a controlled turn in the sim.

E retention... and I am assuming that that is what you are referring to.. is a known issue in the sim on all the planes, however with practice you can learn to get more out of the plane through proper use of trim and pitch.. prop pitch that is.


2. Forward pitch is way to high.

That is a matter of opinion... I recommend that you make sure your plane is properly trimmed.... pitch as far as attitude of the aircraft is something that you the pilot have control over by using elevator trim.


3. Center of gravity seems to pivot around the center of the plane no matter what fuel load you have

Thats is correct... fuel consumption COG is not modelled in the sim AFAIK. The plane will be lighter overall as the fuel level decreases... but it wont effect the COG. This is one of those issues I was referring to.. especially with Mustang lovers like myself.


4. Planes react to fast to stick movement. Yes I have meesed with the input controls.

Meese with them some more..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif There is a great utility called IL2 Joy Control (http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=1021) which will let you adjust your stick settings. It is more versatile than the ingame settings.


5. Centering the ball as it put is not as hard to do as in this sim. Could be controller issue and to sensitive.

Do you have rudder trim set? Keep in mind that in most planes the trim will change as your throttle changes... due to tourque.


6. Love the cannons, 50 seem to do some good shreading, (Actually this is a good point)

Yes they are good..... the 50s got a bum rap in the beginning....


7. Hellcat speed way to low, P51 speed and exceleration way to low, Corsair climb rate way to low. P47 dog slow to climb

I have found that with many of those planes you have to use a combination of throttle and pitch to get the most out of them. In the Cats you also have a manual supercharger. They could accelerate a tad faster IMO.. either that or it is another manifestation of the old E retention issue.... but they all are faster than most of us thought. You should have seen this place a few months ago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


In summeration, the planes that did the some of the most damage during the war, P51, FW-190, p-47, Corsair, Hellcat do not get to use the advantage that they had. Speed and surprise. The famouse hey, here I am, your gone and I am out of here cannot happen. If I am zooming in from 10K down to 6K to make a attack, I will be gone before anyone notices. However, planes like the spit, zero, LA, Yak, BF-109 will still catch me as I am going away. Not likely. So not only the US planes suffer but most of the heavier ones do. Not quite right. However, the US planes minus the wildcat, P40, are of this standard of wieght. So, yes the US planes are substandard compared to the rest.

In winteration http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif let me say... that even though some of your points are valid... many of them can be addressed with patience and asking the right questions.


Oh yeah, I forgot, I am not qualified to make these assumptions.

My statement on your qualifications had nothing to do with your simming experience... or you knowledge of aircraft.. which I have no way of knowing and couldnt judge... but your experience with this sim. That was because you said.... "I just got this game and ....." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif


The sim has issues no doubt.... but it takes time to get the real picture of just what you are working with. I lkke many others here had to find that out the hard way.

Hit the Essentials link in my sig and bookmark it. There are lots of good links in there. Lastly.... Airwarfare.com Essential Files (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/IL2/il2_essential_files.htm) This site is the most extensive flight sim site I know of. If you arent familiar with it.. there are others in the Essentials thread along with this one.. but AW.C is THE FLIGHT SIM site.

Welcome aboard.

Bearcat99
09-15-2006, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
BJR = BaldieJR?

He was on thin ice here with BC yesterday....

Wadn't me...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

slipBall
09-15-2006, 11:09 AM
This is the school of hard knocks....learn the aircraft, fly with a full knowledge of pro's and cons of each.....remember the words of Dirty Harry "a man needs to know his aircraft limitations" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by BJR1988:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
He's a fraud guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

"Posted by PM from Xiolablu3
"What do you think I can do with your name? I gave you mine?

We know Oleg Maddox's name, I know all my koche online friends names.

Sorry but you would understand if you really had flown P47s. What with all the 'pretenders' about'

Its only your friggen name for gods sake. The guy at your licence office could be a serial murderer, does that stop you replcacing your Driving licence?

Geez, I guess oyu are a fraud."

Thats right, I am a fraud. Enjoy your game </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was not it all :-

It started noicely, but as he got more cagey I lost patience.

He will not tell me ANYTHING about himself. Even after I told him my name and where I am from.

'I have flown P47's'

'Really? Thats interesting, whats your name?'

'Err I dont want to say'

'OK I will tell you mine and where I am from to show some trust'

'Nope'

'OK how about we swap emails'

'Nope'



He is a fraud.

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 11:21 AM
Private Topic :-


Hey there mate,

Sorry if we were harsh on the board, but there are so many pretenders around here. I am sure you undestand.

My name is XXXXX and I am from the XXXXX.

I and many others are very interested in your flights in the warbirds in particular.

You say you owned these planes? Wow. Could you just tell me your nmame so that I can verify that you are not a pretender? (I think you understand)

Could we also swap emails please so that we can correspond some more? And I can send you some stuff which I would like veryfied (regarding the P47)?

Yours Sincerely

XXXXX


-------------------------


David,
Sorry but I never give out personnal information on a internet board (Well not anymore since I got nabbed once and bad things happened. Hackers if you know what I mean) I do not own or have owned any of the warbirds. Just had a chance and enough money to fly them. I actully have less than 10 hours in each aircraft in the air except the t-28 which I have a little more. Go ahead and PM me on your questions conserning the 47 an I will see if I can answer them for you or I will contact the guy who owns the one I flew.

---------------------

Hi mate,

Surely you can give your name, its not going to be any use to me without address, phone number etc, but I can check out if you are real or not (you will understand this is important)

Whos P47 did you fly pls?


------------------

Check out if I real or not. I am not giving you my personnal information so you can check out if I am real or not. Thats just crazy.

------------------

What do you think I can do with your name? I gave you mine?

We know Oleg Maddox's name, I know all my koche online friends names.

Sorry but you would understand if you really had flown P47s. What with all the 'pretenders' about'

Its only your friggen name for gods sake. The guy at your licence office could be a serial murderer, does that stop you replcacing your Driving licence?

Geez, I guess oyu are a fraud.


----

Maybe I will 'hack him' with his name...So we have 'some guy' who says he has flown these planes, with no name, no details, no name of whose planes he flew, nothing.. Who says he 'just' got the game, yet he has tested all these planes and knows things about WW2 fighting which only a veteran learns here after months of flying...


Make your own minds up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Feathered_IV
09-15-2006, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
BJR = BaldieJR?

He was on thin ice here with BC yesterday....

Wadn't me...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah whoops! It was Ivan sorry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

RAF74_Raptor
09-15-2006, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BJR1988:
I just got this game and was wondering why the US planes seem to suffer so much compared to the others. They were not this bad back then.

If you just got the sim... and please dont take it personally... you are not yet qualified to make an accurate judgement. Fly it for a few months.. yes I said months.... fiddle with CEM... pick a plane and learn it. You may still find that some planes may not be what it seems they should.. but I gaurantee you that you will find all of them better than you think they are now. If yo are referring to the guns.. then just practice... they arent as bad as they seem either... although it is debateable whether or not they could be better. I have set 109s on fire with a well placxed 2 second burst from a P-51D... and even a B once or twice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Yes My friend I am sure it was just once but I doubt twice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

BrewsterPilot
09-15-2006, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
He's a fraud guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

And a very obnoxious(spelling? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) one too!

F6_Ace
09-15-2006, 02:14 PM
Burn the unbeliever at the stake!

joeap
09-15-2006, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
As much as you think you know what you are talking about, the fact of the matter is that this "game" as you call it was qualified by over 40 real life pilots that flew these aircraft at some point in time in their lives.

Can you just clarify something here. Didn't those 40 pilots qualify the original Il-2 as opposed to what we've had since the FM change? I'm not stirring, I just can't remember what their 'validation' applied to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am pretty sure this info came out in regards to the 4.0x series of FM partly testing the BoB FM. No longer stickied will have to find it.

F6_Ace
09-15-2006, 02:32 PM
I couldn't find it, either, but thanks for looking.

I thought I'd refered to it in a review (http://www.battle-fields.com/joomla/content/view/43/4/) of Pacific Fighters that I'd written yonks ago but was mistaken.

VF-51-Dart
09-15-2006, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Private Topic :-


Hey there mate,

Sorry if we were harsh on the board, but there are so many pretenders around here. I am sure you undestand.

My name is XXXXX and I am from the XXXXX.

I and many others are very interested in your flights in the warbirds in particular.

You say you owned these planes? Wow. Could you just tell me your nmame so that I can verify that you are not a pretender? (I think you understand)

Could we also swap emails please so that we can correspond some more? And I can send you some stuff which I would like veryfied (regarding the P47)?

Yours Sincerely

XXXXX


-------------------------


David,
Sorry but I never give out personnal information on a internet board (Well not anymore since I got nabbed once and bad things happened. Hackers if you know what I mean) I do not own or have owned any of the warbirds. Just had a chance and enough money to fly them. I actully have less than 10 hours in each aircraft in the air except the t-28 which I have a little more. Go ahead and PM me on your questions conserning the 47 an I will see if I can answer them for you or I will contact the guy who owns the one I flew.

---------------------

Hi mate,

Surely you can give your name, its not going to be any use to me without address, phone number etc, but I can check out if you are real or not (you will understand this is important)

Whos P47 did you fly pls?


------------------

Check out if I real or not. I am not giving you my personnal information so you can check out if I am real or not. Thats just crazy.

------------------

What do you think I can do with your name? I gave you mine?

We know Oleg Maddox's name, I know all my koche online friends names.

Sorry but you would understand if you really had flown P47s. What with all the 'pretenders' about'

Its only your friggen name for gods sake. The guy at your licence office could be a serial murderer, does that stop you replcacing your Driving licence?

Geez, I guess oyu are a fraud.


----

Maybe I will 'hack him' with his name...So we have 'some guy' who says he has flown these planes, with no name, no details, no name of whose planes he flew, nothing.. Who says he 'just' got the game, yet he has tested all these planes and knows things about WW2 fighting which only a veteran learns here after months of flying...


Make your own minds up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Geez, sounds like a witch hunt to me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I honestly don't understand why some people on these forums feel that they have the right to demand peoples' personal info so that they can verify credentials of someone. Who died and made you the Credential Police in charge of protecting us all from frauds?

I understand that there have been plenty of pretenders in the past, but generally speaking, you can usually tell if they're full of BS after the first few posts about their "experience". To demand that they give you (whom they don't know from Jack Sh1t) they're personal info is ludicrous at best, not to mention conceited on your part.

Again, take what these guys say with a grain of salt and see what info/experience they give here in public and make your judgments from that.

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 02:57 PM
Introducing yourself with your name, is not 'Personal information', like phone number, address etc.

Its common courtesy.

Even people who write the most mundane 'blog' sites, give their name at the top. What could possibly happen? Is some serial killer going to get the info from the 'blog' and go round and kill them?

Does the writer of a book hide his name from the public in case someone doesnt agree with him and may want to cause him harm? Thats just ridiculous.

Not willing to give ANY info on all these claims he has made speaks volumes.

Maybe he could tell us which P47 he has flown, what was its number, owners name etc? WHere he flew it and so on?

VF-51-Dart
09-15-2006, 03:03 PM
If in face to face meeting for the first time yes, but we're not, and the Internet is notorious for Identity Theft and you're not asking him for his name for introduction purposes. By your own admission you want to have his name so you can "verify credentials" which is entirely different from the common introduction of two people meeting face to face, and further, is none of your business.

Take a look around this forum and tell me how many use their real names vs. those that do. That should be clue #1 to people that it's not common place to give that info out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

slipBall
09-15-2006, 03:06 PM
He just got the game, and had a question. I think we need to welcome and help out the new comer's if we want to grow

F6_Ace
09-15-2006, 03:09 PM
Nonsense!


Burn the unbeliever at the stake!

I say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BrewsterPilot
09-15-2006, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by VF-51-Dart:
If in face to face meeting for the first time yes, but we're not, and the Internet is notorious for Identity Theft and you're not asking him for his name for introduction purposes. By your own admission you want to have his name so you can "verify credentials" which is entirely different from the common introduction of two people meeting face to face, and further, is none of your business.

Take a look around this forum and tell me how many use their real names vs. those that do. That should be clue #1 to people that it's not common place to give that info out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I feel no fear giving out my real name-

rasmus kuhlefelt

slipBall
09-15-2006, 03:13 PM
Luke will like the idea

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 03:14 PM
OK maybe I am cynical, but I dont believe a word he says.

In my opinon he is an alias of an old timer on the board.

I will try and stay out of this from now on, if he turns out to be koche, then I will apologise whole heartedly.

I will give my name to anyone in private correspondanse (pm,email, etc), am I worried I will now be 'hacked', 'killed', tortured'? Thats just ridiculous. Identity theft from a name? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Ok I will grab one of the 1000,000,000 or so blog sites on the net and steal their identity. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

In my opinon he is a fraud.

Xiolablu3
09-15-2006, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
He just got the game, and had a question. I think we need to welcome and help out the new comer's if we want to grow

You really believe he just got the game? Read his posts again.

F6_Ace
09-15-2006, 03:17 PM
http://www.silvascreen.co.uk/productimages/WM-001.jpg

VF-51-Dart
09-15-2006, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
OK maybe I am cynical, but I dont believe a word he says.

In my opinon he is an alias of an old timer on the board.

I will try and stay out of this from now on, if he turns out to be koche, then I will apologise whole heartedly.

I will give my name to anyone in private correspondanse (pm,email, etc), am I worried I will now be 'hacked', 'killed', tortured'? Thats just ridiculous. Identity theft from a name? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Ok I will grab one of the 1000,000,000 or so blog sites on the net and steal their identity. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

In my opinon he is a fraud.

Fine, and that is your right to do what you wish with your name. And it's also your right to have an opinion of the guy. I find his claims a bit fishy too, just so you know where I stand. But come on guys, to demand someone's info for credential verifying is taking things too far...and proving that us sim junkies are indeed a bit crazy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Targ
09-15-2006, 07:10 PM
He is not Baldiejr, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
His Ip is spot on with another member who registered in may of 2005 though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

LStarosta
09-15-2006, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Luke will like the idea

I have nothing to hide.

I daresay I am the real McCoy.

VF-51-Dart
09-15-2006, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Targ:
He is not Baldiejr, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
His Ip is spot on with another member who registered in may of 2005 though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Hope your not inferring it's me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Targ
09-15-2006, 08:05 PM
Nope, not you Dart http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VF-51-Dart
09-15-2006, 08:11 PM
Ah, rgr...would it be someone who's name starts with an S and ends with an R? LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LStarosta
09-15-2006, 08:13 PM
Stray Ban Jockeyer, yes.

BrewsterPilot
09-16-2006, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by Targ:
Nope, not you Dart http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Oh c'mon. Tell us! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Xiolablu3
09-16-2006, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Targ:
He is not Baldiejr, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
His Ip is spot on with another member who registered in may of 2005 though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

A good warning for all the 'Alias' makers who think they are anonymous.

Feathered_IV
09-16-2006, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by Targ:
He is not Baldiejr, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
His Ip is spot on with another member who registered in may of 2005 though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Hehe. I'll make a note of that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

slipBall
09-16-2006, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
He just got the game, and had a question. I think we need to welcome and help out the new comer's if we want to grow

You really believe he just got the game? Read his posts again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You are most likely correct, I've been hoodwinked! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif On the other hand, we should just offer advice, so that others don't get turned away

BrewsterPilot
09-16-2006, 01:33 PM
OK I'm a bit frustrated here. It seems to me that three or more people here know who it actually was. Could anyone PT it to me???

Targ???

I'm just soo annoyed right now. WHO??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Targ
09-16-2006, 01:38 PM
I never give info like this away!
He is not the usual suspect though!! I cannot say anymore!!!
Would RBJ had been half as fun if we had outed him?
Yes, yes... many secrets here there are. Such as you brewsterpilot!!!
Who might you truly be or have been in previous lifes!!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

LStarosta
09-16-2006, 01:42 PM
OK guys, let's list all the people who registered in 5-2005 and list them here.

Be specific to include German armed forces draftees in your search.

carguy_
09-16-2006, 02:28 PM
There`s lots of naive ppl here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

LStarosta
09-16-2006, 02:33 PM
No wai!1

BrewsterPilot
09-16-2006, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Targ:
Yes, yes... many secrets here there are. Such as you brewsterpilot!!!
Who might you truly be or have been in previous lifes!!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Can the great lord who was here before Brewster be unbanned. . .? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Like Bremsie. . .? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

BrewsterPilot
09-16-2006, 03:05 PM
If you check my IP, and then look at the account it says "10 day suspension requesting information on defeating software protection."

10 days are a bit long in these forums eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Targ
09-16-2006, 03:53 PM
You have twice as many posts as BrewsterPilot though compared to the other one!
Plus you have to talk to steve_v as it was a perma ban according to the notes he left http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

heywooood
09-17-2006, 09:47 AM
its a regular who's who around here...

BrewsterPilot
09-17-2006, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by heywooood:
its a regular who's who around here...

Check PT please.

MEGILE
09-17-2006, 01:04 PM
In a single word, someone summarize this thread.

slipBall
09-17-2006, 01:08 PM
intrigue

R_Target
09-17-2006, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
In a single word, someone summarize this thread.

Typical.

jasonbirder
09-18-2006, 02:59 AM
Whilst mildly amusing all this intrigue...can someone explain to me why anyone would bother to register another account and pose as A "FIRST TIME POSTER" on these forums?
Oh and what sort of self-deluding numpty would pretend to have flown some fantastic World War 2 warbirds if he hadn't really?
I guess i'll just never understand how some people think...
Surely what he'd got to say would be taken more seriously without all the charades?

wayno7777
09-18-2006, 08:51 PM
I don't know, maybe I missed it? Somethings fishy in here. "BJR" "RBJ"??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif