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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:29 AM
Anyone got any info on the mistel. I've seen the version IL-2 is working on and i've also seen and Me-162 version in some photos. What in the world is the use for this aircraft?

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:29 AM
Anyone got any info on the mistel. I've seen the version IL-2 is working on and i've also seen and Me-162 version in some photos. What in the world is the use for this aircraft?

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:39 AM
It can come in handy when you are far from home and w/o any cover! It's like an early flying aircraft carrier. With the amazing indestructability of the tb-3 and the wickedness of it's two little friends, it will be an interesting a/c indeed.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:49 AM
StG77_Klauen wrote:
- It can come in handy when you are far from home and
- w/o any cover! It's like an early flying aircraft
- carrier. With the amazing indestructability of the
- tb-3 and the wickedness of it's two little friends,
- it will be an interesting a/c indeed.
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Sorry, but, that isn't the Mistel. The plane you're thinking of is the TB-3 Zveno. The Mistel was one of the many last ditch planes used by the Germans. It was a Ju-88 with no cockpit stuffed with explosives, guided to it's target by a Bf 109 or a FW 190, which released it and allowed it to fly to it's target. I think the fm's completely finished, as well as the Zveno.

Here's a pic of it:http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/4apr/Finished_Mistel_01.jpg



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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:53 AM
Umm...not exactly...The Mistel was (usually) a stripped out,unmanned Ju-88 decked with a warhead and explosives hung from beneath a Bf-109 or a Fw-190. It was used as a huge semi-guided bomb of sorts. The modified Tb-3 simply had two I-16 parasite fighters hung under each wing for defense./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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Message Edited on 07/15/0311:55PM by necrobaron

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:02 AM
Yeah i figured it was converted into some sort of warhead. THats what it looked like inthe pictures i saw

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:15 AM
Yeah, think of them as really low tech bunker busters. I really have no idea what the Germans wanted to use them for, there really were no buildings to speak of in Germany when it was developed.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:20 AM
I think one was successfully used on an italian ship after they surrendered. Could be wrong though.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:41 AM
The Mistel was often used as bridge-busters to attempt to halt both the Russian and American/English advance to and through Germany.

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 07:06 AM
It was used against power plants in Russia as well Dave /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

A good bridge buster too

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 07:13 AM
lbhskier37 wrote:
- I think one was successfully used on an italian ship
- after they surrendered. Could be wrong though.
-

Wrong... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The italian ship, battleship Roma, was sunk by a guided bomb Fritz X (grandma of today Paveway) launched by a Ju 188 on 9th september 1943.

Germans used these bomb also later, in Salerno beachead, wrecking havoc in the allied fleet.

Mistels were used in the attacks on Remagen bridge, but I don't know if they hit... I think not.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 08:14 AM
necrobaron wrote:
- Umm...not exactly...The Mistel was (usually) a
- stripped out,unmanned Ju-88 decked with a warhead
- and explosives hung from beneath a Bf-109 or a
- Fw-190. It was used as a huge semi-guided bomb of
- sorts. The modified Tb-3 simply had two I-16
- parasite fighters hung under each wing for
- defense

Wrong! The two I-16's were modified to be dive bombers and were carried to the target by the TB-3 to extend there range. It was thought their high speed, small size and agility would give them a better chance of survivability against heavily defended targets like bridges. They were also more accurate than medium to heavy bombers.


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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 09:02 AM
I-16 as a dive bomber?! If you say so....I stand corrected.(I think...)

fluke39
07-16-2003, 11:49 AM
Crabhart wrote:

The Mistel was one of
- the many last ditch planes used by the Germans. It
- was a Ju-88 with no cockpit stuffed with explosives,
- guided to it's target by a Bf 109 or a FW 190, which
- released it and allowed it to fly to it's target. I
- think the fm's completely finished, as well as the
- Zveno.

sorry to pick on you individually as a few people said it

but IIRC the word 'mistel' means combination and although the majority were 109 or 190 with ju88 bomb underneath (as in FB) I'm sure some of them were fully functioning Do17 with a plane such as Me328 on top as a parasite fighter (i think it was just experimental however)
therefore some mistel were akin to the TB3 with parasite fighters


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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 02:26 PM
A couple of Mistel links:

http://aerostories.free.fr/appareils/compopara/page15.html


http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/mistral.html

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:17 PM
ITs pretty cool that they were also flown in by 262s and 163s.

XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:21 AM
Heuristic_ALgor wrote:
- It was used against power plants in Russia as well
- Dave /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif
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- A good bridge buster too
-

IIRC they weren't ideally suited to bridge busting as bridges were notoriously difficult to bring down by aerial bombing. They were rather employed as a last resort.

The Mistel project was designed with large shaped-charge warheads designed for penetration/destruction of hardened targets such as fortrifications/warships and large complexes. You can see this with the long fuse probe on the warhead. The warhead was likely to punch a neat hole through the bridge but unlikely to destroy it's structure beyond use IMHO.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:33 AM
in typical german last minute high command changes, several hundred mistals were prepared for a mass attack on Russian power stations but in a panic they were almost all diverted, very ineffectively, to take out bridges in an effort to halt the Russian advance