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EAGLE_34_WO
03-23-2005, 09:18 PM
I have been flying WC's server quite often lately and have been on TS most of the time. One thing I have learned is DF etiquette. For instance, after a player has a enemy smoking and is on his 6 he should finish the kill unless he asks for help. I have noticed certain(not naming any publicly) squads just swooping in and praying on doomed a/c. I see this as a very unclassy move. Another thing we shouldn't have to worry about is others shooting over our shoulders and most likely hitting us. If your ever behind a freindly attacking an enemy, just lay back and make sure his tail is clr instead of cutting him off and stealing his kill, or worse, potentially killing your TM. I have just seen this happen way too much on WC's server with a few ppl and I'm sure others find it frustrating also. OK, my griping is done lol.

Stiglr
03-23-2005, 09:43 PM
Shoulder shooting is one of the most egregious breaches of etiquette.

"Helping" someone finish a kill, that's a judgement call. If he's a p*ss-poor shot (and I fit that description at times) and the other guy is jinking and rolling, sometimes a guy on the perch has a better line to apply the haymaker. Other times, I'll fly off and leave the guy to finish his Happy Meal.

But there is NEVER any excuse to shoot past a teammate, and make him break off a good position because his "friendly" plane is firing tracer past his cockpit. I've chewed people out for that.

PBNA-Boosher
03-23-2005, 09:56 PM
I hate it when people do that. This is why I love comms. You can identify the friendly, and the friendly will tell you when it is safe for you to open fire over his shoulder, or if he needs it at all. You should fly online and be as polite as a waiter would be in a 5 star restaurant, but with attitude, and still being a fun loving guy. Be ready to serve as many cans of whoop a$$ as possible to your enemies, but always lend a hand to any teammates that need it, and for god's sake, try to find your own bus boy, (I mean wingman.)

LeadSpitter_
03-24-2005, 06:39 AM
kill or be killed, always make sure you finish off the kill not giving someone else a chance to steal it or its yourown fault, shoot everyones parachute especially spit and 190 pilots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif For base straffers they always deserve and get a pk when bailing.

For those you been flying with the last 3 yrs they get the right to live after they bail and usually will do the same for you unless flying a ta152 190 spit or p39

Hristos
03-24-2005, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
kill or be killed, always make sure you finish off the kill not giving someone else a chance to steal it or its yourown fault, shoot everyones parachute especially spit and 190 pilots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif For base straffers they always deserve and get a pk when bailing.

For those you been flying with the last 3 yrs they get the right to live after they bail and usually will do the same for you unless flying a ta152 190 spit or p39 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what a strange person http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

carguy_
03-24-2005, 06:51 AM
There is no etiquette online.No such thing and you better get used to it.People go for kills instead of covering frendlies.

Best way is just stop caring about kills.
I`ve seen many well known aces shooting me through shoulder or downing a heavily damaged airplane.

How often do you see a situation when gaining on a bogie the other guy following him sees you and jumps off to get some altitude to support you?

People lost the thing this game is all about.Way too many kill wh0res in our community.

Maybe because they`re losers in real life?

LW_lcarp
03-24-2005, 07:10 AM
Ive got to say thats is pretty bothersome. Its one of the reasons I use the 109 with a 30mm when not flying the F2a or some other weak gunned plane. Nothing to shoot at if its nothing but debris falling to the ground.

But what even P*I*S*Ses me off more is when mister kill stealer is to worried about your kill and cant even help you take the baddie off your 6 that you picked up just before you got the first guy smoking.

VW-IceFire
03-24-2005, 07:13 AM
Don't shoot over shoulders. Instead look for other bad guys nearby. They will come.

Call for help when you need it. Help others when they need it.

Chat...chat...chat...communication is key.

Jumoschwanz
03-24-2005, 07:13 AM
This is all unfortunately the norm and not the exception for behavior online.


Things that pi$$ me off:

1. The a$$holes that joing a realistic settings server where attacking enemy airbases is not banned like on the kiddie servers, then when they get shot on the ground go on a tirade about "vulching" and what cowards the atacker is. In real life, as in online servers, attacking an enemy airbase is one of the toughest missions to pull off without getting your a$$ taken out. Try it sometime. And while you are at it call Chuck Yeager up and tell him what a pu$$y he is for attacking the german airbases he did in WWII ok Maddog and Pipper?

2. Yes, moving in on someone's kill, shooting past them at their target. Some A$$ named "Redlan" did this to me the other day on Greatergreen, he was in the same squad as Maddog, a$$holes of a feather flock together.

3. A$$holes making comments after you shoot them down, like "nice collision", a ******* named PF coastie had this to say after I shot him down in his bomber close to the ground yesterday, when actually it was his bombs going off that took me out shortly thereafter. If you don't know the facts or have a track, keep your Fu789ing mouth shut ok Cu80nt?

IN fact don't use the fz890cking chat bar at all unless you need to communicate some mission information to a wingy or pay someone a genuine compliment.

I understand how many of the virtual pilots in this sim are probably kids in their teens and twenties and have a long way to go as far as growing up is concerned.

The next time some a$$ muscles in on one of my kills I am shooting him down, I don't give a fz*&(ck if I get banned from the server, and also every fu%$ing mission I fly now is going to be ground attack on enemy airbases. So get out your crying towels you f%^ing a$$wipe c*&nts, becuase I don't give a f%ck what it does to my stats, I am going to make a dent in yours so you have something to cry about.

Jumoschwanz

ImpStarDuece
03-24-2005, 07:26 AM
Things that <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">also</span> annoy Jumoschwanz;

1) That profanity is atuomatically cut out of the board
2) People who steal his Rittalin
3) Child proof caps
4) The English language
5) Kittens
6) Grammar
7) Anger management counselors
8) People who make posts like this
9) Bellybutton lint
10) His membership on these forums

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Iron_Hand1
03-24-2005, 08:03 AM
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Nottingham-FB
03-24-2005, 08:24 AM
I understand vulching IS allowed at greatergreen and the only way to properly exploit it is to fly in a group, at tree-top level and come in from the rear of the base with any Mk108 armed Axis bird (Normans make good steel btw) or an equally bestowed Allied ride such as the oft-neglected P-38 with 10 rockets.

The first aggressor starts his attack and the others stay out until he starts his climb away from the funeral pyres that used to be warbirds. Then, the next attacker starts his run makes a pass and climbs out as well. This process is repeated until almost all ordnance is expended then...together...the attacking force proceeds off the map and vectors for home all the while screaming for escorts to meet them.

If you're going to do it, do it right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nottingham

geetarman
03-24-2005, 09:28 AM
The goal is to shoot down the enemy. I follow one or two main rules. Don't shoot over someone's shoulder and attempt to help your teammates if feasible. Everything else is wide open.

Many of the honchos on WC preach one thing about this "etiquette" and practice something different. Sometimes, I'd rather they get off their podium and just fly to win. The lectures are getting old.

Stiglr
03-24-2005, 10:05 AM
About vulching...

While I'm one of the first to say that the vulchee is just as responsible as the vulcher...

It doesn't help if your DF server designer is so stupid and lazy as to set up his server with only two fields, separated by less than 10km, and NO ACK at either field.

Smart flying or not, if attackers have no deterrent against strafing and parking above an airfield, planes below simply cannot get off the ground.

So, if you don't have an option to sortie from a rearward field, or don't even have one sentry with a rifle to protect you on takeoff, then there's no way to stop vulchers, and no way to fly smart and avoid them.

Messaschnitzel
03-24-2005, 12:42 PM
The reason I don't play online games are because of the above mentioned examples. I used to play Battlezone online and one of the tactics used by one "clan" would be to politely invite an unsuspecting newcomer into a game and then proceed to ******** the player with 5-6 opponents. It happened to me...once. Later, When in the game lobby I would see the chat going on and see someone taking the bait I would jump into the game to try to even out the odds. I finally quit playing online after a year of playing because the immature players greatly outnumbered the mature ones. I realize that this is a completely different game, but I suspect that some of the Battlezone players are alive and well and are now playing IL2 online from what I read here on the forum! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Stiglr
03-24-2005, 05:23 PM
If you let childish antics like that stop you from playing online, you're just 'letting the idiots win'.

Not all DFs are like that. Some are, sure, but that's fine: let them stay on their little easy mode, wonderwoman, no physics servers with unlimited ammo, pWn1ng other skill-less players.

If you look around, you can find a goodly number of well set up, intelligent servers where you can have a good time.

Get your butt online and see what you're made of.

GUARD4000
03-24-2005, 05:36 PM
Messaschnitzel,try Warclouds and get on the TS of Warclouds.It may not be perfect,but is far better than those things u mentioned.

Messaschnitzel
03-25-2005, 10:39 AM
Thanks for the encouragement, guys! Hey, I looked for a directory for server sites here and did not find it. What I would be looking for would be something along the lines of: CEM enabled, no exterior views with cockpit always enabled, and icons enabled. (I have a lot of trouble telling the difference between red and blue jerseys. The last thing I want to hear is "Hey, quit shooting at me, ya bonehead!.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ) In other words, except for the icons, the settings would be "full real". And last but not least, something early war, say up to 1942? I confess that I like the rubber band powered Fiat G-50. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stiglr
03-25-2005, 10:43 AM
I don't know that a directory of any kind exists anywhere....

but the better DFs on HyperLobby will probably be your huckleberry.

Try Warclouds, Greater Green, WingWalkers just for starters. Not sure where they all are on the icon issue, but they're all at least "realistic" servers.

Messaschnitzel
03-25-2005, 03:41 PM
Hey stiglr, thanks for the info!

p1ngu666
03-25-2005, 04:40 PM
greatergreen sounds like what u are after, and coops

imo vulching is abit harsh on warclouds, cos of deathkick, otherwise its not too bad.

oh and its pretty bad when u see squad players repeatidly kill steal http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Ratsack
03-26-2005, 07:12 AM
Vulching is fine, in my opinion (which ain't necessarily humble). In my view, it's a legit attack, and people who do it are just kills I haven't racked up yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif There's only so much ammunition, after all... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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Ratsack

Hydra444
03-26-2005, 07:46 AM
Truth be told,this game is almost completely made up of sore losers.That wasn't meant as a slam to anyone,just an observation.People take this dang game WAY too seriously.I tend to stray away from the full blown real servers because people never give respect to one another.I have been told so many times that my Hurri 2c is a newb plane I've stopped counting.LMAO!People around this place seem to think that because they fly this plane or that,that it will turn them into "UBER ACE OF THE SKIES!".Thats anything but the truth.As I tend to gravitate more towards the "obsolete" planes I know that it always comes down to who knows his plane better.I hate it when people can't understand that they got beat by a better man in a "lesser" a/c.Thats what peeves me about this game.No respect.How about instead of whining about what your plane can do,hop in the air and show people.Let your guns do the talking,they're more likely to help you get a kill than whining http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Monson74
03-27-2005, 04:41 AM
I'm just tired of people calling everyone idiots all the time - it's just a game so come on & relax - have fun with it. Aren't we supposed to enjoy ourselfes?

diomedes33
03-27-2005, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Shoulder shooting is one of the most egregious breaches of etiquette.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with this statment in general but ...

I remember a time I was flying a P-39 against a FW-190. We had a long drawn out fight. Neither one of us could get the edge, even though I was on his tail for most of the fight. We were locked in a series of yo-yos for about 5 minutes. I knew we were alone for most of the fight. We finally got to the point where we were lost enough energy that we were unable to maneuver. I was able to pull the nose inline with a shot.

Opened fire, then suddenly this spitfire cuts me off out of nowhere at 10 meters. He catches a couple of 37mm and gets his plane destroyed. The 190 pilot typed, "HAHA" then his wing was shot off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The spitfire pilot started preaching to me how I shouldn't shoulder shoot and its bad form, blah blah blah...

I tried to explain to him the situation, but he had none of it. The 190 pilot even tried to explain to him that he flew into my fire. He then left in a huff, declaring to the world that everyone on this server are a-holes.

I believe that most of the ettiquite fopas are not due to rude people. It seems to me its more an SA thing, especially on closed cockpit servers.

PBNA-Boosher
03-27-2005, 10:26 AM
About Kill stealing:

When ur on TS, it's more like Kill borrowing. Before I shoot at another's target I ask for permission. If they say no, I break off and keep covering their 6. Just yesterday on Warclouds a Spitfire pilot and I (in a P-51) were both on the tail of a Fw-190. He said he'd rather take out his target, so I broke off into a climb to cover his 6. 5 seconds later I noticed a 190 diving on him. I told him that there was a 190 on his six. He quickly dispatched of the 190 he was on and I fired barrier shots across the other 190's nose. He broke off and I successfully maneuvered and used my .50's to cripple and destroy the plane. He crashed.

That's teamwork people, it was done politely and in good mind. Use it. It's a whole lot more fun, and effective.

Capt.LoneRanger
03-27-2005, 12:46 PM
You can identify most team-play-servers by checking if they have TeamSpeak- or Ventrilo-servers or not. I've very rarely seen something else than Airquake in it's worst on most smaller servers or free-aircraft-choice-servers.
There simply is no effective teamplay without voicecoms. It doesn't even matter if you have a microphone, cause it simply helps listening to your comrades.

I made some very good experiences on WarClouds, but GreaterGreen is also renown for that.

But it's not only communications. I think it's peoples attitude. Yes, vulching is war and IMHO it's okay, as long as there are alternative bases to take off from, but it's not really fun. Anybody can kill a sitting duck. IMHO chivalry should be more common and some people should be reminded it's a game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

stubby
03-28-2005, 06:44 AM
pick-up DF servers - no rules except those imposed by the hosts. it's all about point whorin' because that's the way DFs are set up. So, you'll get steal killin', shoulder shootin, etc.. it's the way it is. Just have to expect it and not get shocked when it happens and it will happen, frequently. Just use the DF environment to work on skills, tool around with buds. DF is nothing more than frag-fest. The real beauty of IL2 online is in full-real coops. Not that full-real is the end-all to real simming but full-real is the anti-***** filter. ******, possers and lamers hate those settings and will not participate. In those coops, it's rare I encounter folks that behave the way the masses do in air-quake DF servers. Just a different culture.

Papa_K
03-28-2005, 05:46 PM
The biggest violation of online DF etiquette I've seen is when people shoot, bomb, rocket, or kill, wound or damage in any manner, someone named "Papa_K".

Papa_K

Capt.LoneRanger
03-28-2005, 05:55 PM
Isn't that about everybody, Papa_K http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

just kidding http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BaldieJr
03-28-2005, 06:16 PM
You'd be surprised at how many of these issues don't exist after you hide the chat window from yourself.

Just collect your points and stfu. Don't worry with what others are doing.

triggerhappyfin
03-29-2005, 01:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Shoulder shooting is one of the most egregious breaches of etiquette.

"Helping" someone finish a kill, that's a judgement call. If he's a p*ss-poor shot (and I fit that description at times) and the other guy is jinking and rolling, sometimes a guy on the perch has a better line to apply the haymaker. Other times, <span class="ev_code_RED">I'll fly off and leave the guy to finish his Happy Meal.</span>
But there is NEVER any excuse to shoot past a teammate, and make him break off a good position because his "friendly" plane is firing tracer past his cockpit. I've chewed people out for that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This should be the signal to allow someone to cut in! Not on burning or severily disabled planes tho.