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Outcast44
07-01-2006, 03:27 AM
While reading in the forum I couldn't help notice all the talks about comparing Assassin's Creed with Prince of Persia games. So I 'll set a question: in an open battle between Altair and the Prince who would win and how?

Lhorkan
07-01-2006, 07:13 AM
Alta├┬»r. While the prince runs up, he already got a bolt through his chest. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

OH_DragonBoy
07-01-2006, 07:35 AM
The Prince - simply because he can take more than one hit with a sword and not die.

However, if they both existed by the same rules, then Altair would easily kill him. Altair may not as many fingers as the Prince, but he's clearly smarter than him.

I'd describe a fight scene but...I really cannot be bothered. *goes to play Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines*

young-assassin
07-01-2006, 07:47 AM
i think altair would win but it would be a close fight with them both been made by the same ppl but i also http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

TheEvilEye1919
07-01-2006, 09:55 AM
actually, in a straight out fight, the prince would win.
the prince is trained for combat, hence in the pop games he would fight even when vastly outnumbered.
the altair is trained for mainly stealth and assassination, hence in the trailers he attacks single targets and moves on, retreating when significantly outnumbered.

just thought id point that out.

young-assassin
07-01-2006, 12:13 PM
yes but altair could sneak up and stab him in the back

Dudelike
07-01-2006, 12:22 PM
By the same rules
Prince would win.
Dirty fighting 'n' finding eachother first
alta├┬»r would have him in 30 second's.

TheEvilEye1919
07-01-2006, 03:02 PM
you might want to read the original question:


Originally posted by Outcast44:
While reading in the forum I couldn't help notice all the talks about comparing Assassin's Creed with Prince of Persia games. So I 'll set a question: in an open battle between Altair and the Prince who would win and how?

in an open battle you cant "sneak up and stab him in the back", and there would be no "fightin 'n' finding" >> the question was suggesting a straight forward battle to the death sorta thing.

young-assassin
07-01-2006, 03:49 PM
well in that case altair would still win in my mind

POPersiaT2T
07-01-2006, 04:23 PM
prince would win
he can use the power of sands........

young-assassin
07-01-2006, 05:10 PM
not if it was based in reality

yavanna_1986
07-02-2006, 12:04 AM
The Prince. Both of them use stealth ( the Prince in The Two Thrones ), but Altair wins in this sector. But in a one on one fight it's a different story. The Prince is a very good fighter. Remember Warrior Within?
Come on... he won against so many enemies... you think that a simple human can kill him? No way! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

princeofyo
07-03-2006, 02:25 PM
I would need to see a few videos of Altair fighting to really decide but I think the Prince would win, since he has beated Griffins, Giants,hundreds of sand monsters, Women in thongs, and of course an old man with a staff.

But if we place the Prince in a city, and he and Altair would have to find an kill each other, Altair would most likely win.

crazyrabbit2006
07-03-2006, 02:35 PM
Altair is too damn cool to lose, can the prince rewind time with a dagger in his throat?

TheEvilEye1919
07-03-2006, 04:50 PM
he could rewind time when he was impaled on stuff, go figure.

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-04-2006, 10:54 AM
Prince easly. rewinding time and alot more fighting skills, Altiar is based on stealth and the Prince is based on stealth and close combat, the prince can also use his surroundings well (run up walls, dive off things and ect). lets see Altiar try 12 step wall run with a dive ending up with a sword in his enemys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

mrsmooth_840
07-05-2006, 04:39 AM
in reality, altair would win without a doubt. as you say, yes he is trained in stealth mainly, but if you see some of the screen shots, altair is taking on about four of five crusaders at one. besides that, assassins were experts in armed combat, they were masters of the sword and they know were to strike there enemies. he is also very athletic, he could easily dodge the prince's moves and block them.

bobbje
07-05-2006, 05:21 AM
hhmm maybe is the altair the prince of persia...
but just in new clothes and in a new game... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
or maybe not.

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-05-2006, 09:09 AM
um..................no. Altair is NOT the Prince of Persia, but anyway...

Prince of Persia i think is still more skillfull in battles and and combat, he has pritty much faced every problem some way or another and over come them, come on...he changed his fate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But i suppose its oppinion who's your fav charicter, mine is oviosly the Prince so i'm supporting the Prince, Altiar still rules but he's no match for the Prince

crazyrabbit2006
07-05-2006, 09:15 AM
If they teamed up, that would be awesome. Altair handled the sneaking and prince could rewind time if he died.

Illuminate1992
07-05-2006, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by bobbje:
hhmm maybe is the altair the prince of persia...
but just in new clothes and in a new game... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
or maybe not.
OH GOD DID HE JUST SAY THAT
Welcome to the forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Prince would win,
Altair could shoot a bow through the Princes chest, sneak up on him, stab him, and do all of the things you can think of, I just have one thing to say.
If the Prince can survive a 50ft drop, onto spikes, after being attacked by several enemies and killing them and STILL be able to use the dagger of time, then he will kick a$$!

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-05-2006, 04:37 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Exactly my point, no matter how many times,ways and methods of killing the prince he will just rewind time, and you can't really take that power off him...because its his main weapon, to take that off the prince would be to take the switch blade off Altair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

insane_dude
07-05-2006, 05:02 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Even though Altair is way cooler then the prince the prince would kill Altair with out even trying.

a-secret-threat
07-05-2006, 06:39 PM
i think this is sortta a bad and hard question 2 ask cuz i dont care if prince can rewind time or anything.. i would want 2 c in an open match say in the middle of no where, no walls, nothing 2 pick up, just dirt under their feet. all they have is their weapons (blades, swords, knifes, things like that) no powers or anything else.. basically a duel, who would win..


in my opinion it would be altair, 4 that fact that he is swift

Sandwarrior1990
07-06-2006, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by mrsmooth_840:
in reality, altair would win without a doubt. as you say, yes he is trained in stealth mainly, but if you see some of the screen shots, altair is taking on about four of five crusaders at one. besides that, assassins were experts in armed combat, they were masters of the sword and they know were to strike there enemies. he is also very athletic, he could easily dodge the prince's moves and block them.
Prince of Persia took way more than four or five enemies at a time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
He defeates lots of strong enemies, so I think he would easily beat Altair.

Prince of Persia, is almost an assassin anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
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Originally posted by a-secret-threat:
in my opinion it would be altair, 4 that fact that he is swift
The Prince of Persia is pretty damm swift too.
And if the prince has his main weapon (dagger of time) he'd have to have his time powers too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

People! Not forgetting that PoP has the Dark Prince too, good old daggertail, although he wouldn't last long with that constantly decreasing life of his and no sands on hand http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

TheEvilEye1919
07-06-2006, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by a-secret-threat:
in my opinion it would be altair, 4 that fact that he is swift

prince is very swift and agile. running up walls, leaping over chasms, swinging on beams and flinging yourslef through the air, doing backflips.

couldnt do that if you were slow.

anyway, if it was a straight duel in an open space, 1 weapon each, not including the dagger, as you cant really combine a magic/fictional power with a real life fighter, not a fair fight, then i think it would probably be the prince who would win. its not that the altair wouldnt give a challange or anything, but the prince is a warrior, hes trained to swiftly dispatch multiple enemies. neither person would be slow in comparison to the other, and they would both be able to block each others attacks, but being an endurance fighter, the prince, if not able to quickly subdue the altair, would be able to tire him until he could no longer resist.

DarkCrawler90
07-06-2006, 09:23 AM
From what we know of Altair, isn't he quite inexperienced at the start of the game? Since we don't know other versions of Altair (I believe so) I think that we use that version? Well, this could be compared as a fight between hawk and owl. Hawk is Prince and Owl is Altair. In daylight (open space), hawk would own an owl ten times out of ten. It's faster, stronger and more accustomated in straight fight where both opponents can see eachother. But in dark (surprise fight) owl would defeat hawk with ease. It can see in dark. A hawk does not hear an owl when it comes to it. And when it realizes that it is under attack, it's too late. So, if this was a stealth fight, Altair would defeat Prince in my opinion. But since this is a straight fight, Prince, who is more experienced, faster, stronger and better fighter in straight fighting, will defeat Altair.

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-06-2006, 11:03 AM
yeah Dark Crawler has a point here.

Altair is (most likly) to be better than the Prince here when it comes to "Assassaning", we saw the Prince becoming an Assassin in PoP:T2T, but he's not a fully an assassin like Altiar is, but it shows the Prince has some assassin techniques up his sleeve so this means he could learn from this and counter Altiars moves.

But again the Prince is (most likly) to be stronger and has (like i have said 3 times) more fighting experence, he has taken on beasts stronger than him and out numbered by them too and still whooped a$$ and changed fate just in time for tea...

If they fight with nothing around them, just floor and nothingness, nothing to use as an advantage or to climb, the battle would be borring O_o....and i still think the prince would win. But like Sandwarrior said which prince? the Dark Prince would be meaner and stop at nothing to kill Altiar, but would also die at no sands of time being presant. X_X

Maybe Ubi could decide for us, like at the end of PoP:T2T we had the out takes, maybe in Assassins Creed we could have a funny 10 min video of Prince Vs Altair, just a comical one for laughs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

yes Ubi that was a big hint >_> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sandwarrior1990
07-06-2006, 01:30 PM
Except that Altair is human and he can't see in the dark http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

ScOrPiO_Bs
07-07-2006, 02:13 AM
I think that the Prince will win because he is faster and he has more deadly weapons than a little blade coming out of your arm.And also the prince can manipulate time-this would be a big advantage

Lhorkan
07-07-2006, 07:26 AM
You forget Alta├┬»r's sword and throwing daggers.

Robbinho1992
07-07-2006, 09:34 AM
Prince wouldnt kill Altair because hes nice and would only kill altair if he got in his way or killed someone close to him.

Altair on the other hand, Is a killer and still gives respect when there dead.

I conclude Al;tair would win http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

insane_dude
07-07-2006, 11:54 AM
It's hard to say the prince has time control making it seem that he would win but if Altair killed him enogh the prince would run out of sand and could be killed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sandwarrior1990
07-07-2006, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Lhorkan:
You forget Alta├┬»r's sword and throwing daggers.
Prince of Persia can throw weapons too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

OH_DragonBoy
07-07-2006, 12:30 PM
If all they have is one weapon, I suppose that Altair would eventually win. I mean, the Prince would kill him a bunch of times, but whenever Altair would be to die, his future self would just have to hit the reset button. 3, 2, 1, a-and he's back in the room!

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-07-2006, 01:24 PM
Ok...did i miss somthing? Future self of Altair...please explain >_>

mrsmooth_840
07-07-2006, 01:36 PM
do you remember we were talking about genetic memory? that altair(or his present day blood relivtive)was hooked up to some sort of computer, training program, that sort of thing?

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-07-2006, 01:45 PM
lol...i dont remember that at all. oh well

This can't really be what Assassins Creed is about? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif i'm sticking with that Altiar is an Assassin, just a normal assassin

Sandwarrior1990
07-07-2006, 01:48 PM
If Altair can reset himself then the PoP is allowed to use Sand Powers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Dont se how that helps if he can respawn or whatever though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

silentassasin05
07-07-2006, 02:00 PM
Altair. he focuses on counters so if the Prince would strike him, Altair would block and counter with his wrist-blade. Simple.

Sandwarrior1990
07-07-2006, 02:11 PM
The prince is an expert inblocking and all that jazz too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

People who played the original PoP games will definately know this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

silentassasin05
07-07-2006, 02:34 PM
Blocking yes <STRIKE>infinate blocks</STRIKE> , countering no. Prince has only 2 counter moves, while Altair, by the looks of it, will have many.

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-07-2006, 02:45 PM
Maybe Altiar has more blocks and what not, but Prince (which i can put 100% of my faith in) has way way way more attack moves, like in PoP 2, i'm sure there are still moves and attacks that i havnt tryed yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif along with combos.

Altair runs up and BOOM prince does a sweet little combo that ends up with Altairs own sword in his back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

a-secret-threat
07-07-2006, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by TheEvilEye1919:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by a-secret-threat:
in my opinion it would be altair, 4 that fact that he is swift

prince is very swift and agile. running up walls, leaping over chasms, swinging on beams and flinging yourslef through the air, doing backflips.

couldnt do that if you were slow.QUOTE]

well i didnt no this cuz i have never played and of the pop games... but i think altair sounds cooler than prince so that is who i would want 2 win

TheEvilEye1919
07-08-2006, 03:09 PM
the idea is not to say one will win because you think he is "cooler" >< the idea is to decide which one would win because of their skills.

and to make another point, the princes has the ability to disarm people and use their own weapons agaisnst them. whats the altair going to do when the prince steals his sword and has 2?

FableB
07-08-2006, 04:19 PM
And who said its gonna be that easy for the prince to steal altair sword? Altair is no stupid sandmonster u know...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-09-2006, 06:57 AM
Prince is smart and recourcefull not to mention strong, he will, one way or another steel his own weapon and trust it violently into the back of Altair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, if not that...he will finish him another way

Sandwarrior1990
07-09-2006, 10:21 AM
lol, did you mean "steal his own weapon" there? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

The way Altair fights sounds a lot like the blade-dancer enemies from Prince of Persia: Warrior Within to me

Just thought I'd mention that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

assassinsten
07-09-2006, 12:44 PM
you know what, im gonna make a 3d animation of this fight uehm... no wals just sand under there feet right or could i place some walls in it and are powers allowed and is it day or night please gimme more info

assassinsten
07-09-2006, 12:47 PM
ow and could i putt some sand monsters and gaurds to the fight to make it more interesting?

zgubilici
07-09-2006, 03:37 PM
Assassinsten, please use the edit button instead of double posting http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/545/foreditacwrittenarrow6hf.jpg

Thanks.

FableB
07-09-2006, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
Prince is smart and recourcefull not to mention strong, he will, one way or another steel his own weapon and trust it violently into the back of Altair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, if not that...he will finish him another way

You cant just stick a highly trained assassin from behind....its not that simple....plus Altair IS an assassin himself...he knows everything about sneaking from behind...dont u think he would already be aware of that?...

Sandwarrior1990
07-09-2006, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by FableB:
You cant just stick a highly trained assassin from behind....its not that simple....plus Altair IS an assassin himself...he knows everything about sneaking from behind...dont u think he would already be aware of that?...
Yeah, but we're talkin as if the Prince and Altair are in a deathmatch one-on-one.
As if you stuck them in an arena and see who came out alive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FableB
07-10-2006, 07:03 AM
i know that why the prince cant sneak from behind....although i think altair will win because he seems more dedicated to skills...

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-10-2006, 08:01 AM
The Prince of Persia, on T2T can sneak up on enemys from behind to do the dagger attacks, and we actualy hav'nt seen Altiar sneek up on somone yet, i think he's more of a run-through-a-crowd-and-stab-somone-in-the-face attacker...anyway, still if he did this to the prince, i'm positive Prince would counter it, or dodge it.

But we are talking a deadly one-on-one death match here, requiring skill, tactics, strength and speed...and i'm certain the prince has these covered and ready to kill http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Sandwarrior1990
07-10-2006, 08:01 AM
I think using your skills to change the timeline is a sign of dedication and determination, <STRIKE>not to mention damn selfish of him</STRIKE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<sub>The instant kill thingy from PoP, in one part of the gardens in WW you can do something similar</sub>

persia-88
07-11-2006, 06:12 AM
right now i dont think this discaussin is a good idea just wait till the game comes out then battel it out. personaly when you look at both of then in a hood they both look the same go ahead look the popww prince and altair

Erik_Andrew
07-11-2006, 08:40 AM
Well, one thing is that the Prince don't have the sands of time anymore. They're long gone. And I doubt that Altair even cares if the Prince has killed hundreds of enemies. Plus the enemies he killed were not super-assassins like Altair, but weak-minded, stupid, yet very determined minions and soldiers. But he's damned good at what he does, and I don't think Altair would kill him easily, though I do think he has a very good chance. Same has the Prince though, but in a different way.

By the way, Altair isn't just trained in stealth, he has spent nearly all of his life on the art of killing. He's trained to kill, by the most notorious guild of assassins in history. He doesn't just run up to the Prince and gets wacked over the head.

So, I think none of them would win easily. They're very similar in many ways. It's an even battle.

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-11-2006, 12:03 PM
umm i wouldnt call the Dahaka, Brute, Griffin, Stone Guardian, Klompa, the Twins and the Empress of Time weak minded and stuped.

lets see Altiar kill those Enemys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Erik_Andrew
07-11-2006, 01:29 PM
lets see Altiar kill those Enemys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Everyone you mentioned there are bosses, I'm talking about the hundreds of other enemies he was fighting.

And I think Altair could've handled those bosses pretty much as easily as the Prince. They have many of the same abilities. Plus, Altair could just kill many of those with his little crossbow. The big ones he could just climb up on, so he could set his blade into their neck. The Empress and the Twins will be like any other target for him. While the Dahaka could be impossible for him to win against.

But you can't set Altair up against the bosses from Prince of Persia. First of all, they're not in the same game. Second of all, the Prince was made to kill those bosses, if he was set into Altair's world and adjusted to it he have just as much problem killing them as Altair. Third of all, we're talking about the Prince and Altair here, not what they have to face in their own stories and games.

So, still Altair don't friggin' care if the Prince can kill those guys. It doesn't give the Prince any better fighting techniques to fight Altair with if he has fought giants. It doesn't matter. Altair will still just kill the guy if he wants. Cause that's what he's dedicated his life to.

Sandwarrior1990
07-11-2006, 01:41 PM
Actually, Altair couldn't have killed any of them cause they're all sand creatures and you need one the time controling item thingy-ma-bobbers (Staff of time, Dagger of time and the Amulet of time). Which, if I'm mistaken, Altair does not posess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And a tiny little switch-blade wouldn't kill a brute http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

also the prince has a lot of stealth (take 'The Two Thrones' for example) so he'd do a pretty good job as an assassin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Erik_Andrew
07-11-2006, 01:48 PM
That is still out of the question though.

Plus, I think Altair could easily 'out-stealth' the Prince.

But the question here is about an open battle like others here have said a thousand times now. I'm not saying that the Prince would lose against him, I just think that it's very difficult to say who'll win.

Sandwarrior1990
07-11-2006, 01:52 PM
Okie dokie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In a stealth match, Altair would obviously win.

In a open battle death match, Prince of Persia would win.

^My opinions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-11-2006, 01:54 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Exactly right there Sandwarrior, and one big thing we are forgetting here..Altair has never even dreamed of the horror the prince has fought. Altair might be an expert awsome assassin at killing HUMANS, but not beasts like sand monsters and brutes. so how would Altiar kill the Dahaka then? climb up his leg and stab him with his switch blade in the eye? i dont think so. Dahaka would erase him from time before Altair can say "i have a stain on my white cloak" I dont think a crossbow is going to take a griffin down do you?

Altair wouldnt stay alive long enough to realise what he is up against with the prince, Altair is outnumbered in skills, weapons and attack moves, the only thing Altair would be better than the prince at, is running away when he realises what he is up against!

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Erik_Andrew
07-11-2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Sandwarrior1990:
Okie dokie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In a stealth match, Altair would obviously win.

In a open battle death match, Prince of Persia would win.

^My opinions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes, I actually agree on that. I guess we've come to a solution then...

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-11-2006, 02:10 PM
At the start of this topic it was stated that it was Prince Vs Altiar, it said nothing about in a stealth match, so does this mean that the prince would win?

And yes i also agree on SandWarriors comments

FableB
07-11-2006, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Exactly right there Sandwarrior, and one big thing we are forgetting here..Altair has never even dreamed of the horror the prince has fought. Altair might be an expert awsome assassin at killing HUMANS, but not beasts like sand monsters and brutes. so how would Altiar kill the Dahaka then? climb up his leg and stab him with his switch blade in the eye? i dont think so. Dahaka would erase him from time before Altair can say "i have a stain on my white cloak" I dont think a crossbow is going to take a griffin down do you?

Altair wouldnt stay alive long enough to realise what he is up against with the prince, Altair is outnumbered in skills, weapons and attack moves, the only thing Altair would be better than the prince at, is running away when he realises what he is up against!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Hey wait a min....you forgot that the Dahaka cannot be harmed with any sword but the water sword...now you are not expecting atlair to kill the dahaka with his switch blade now are you? give him the water sword and see what he can do....
And about altair being outnumbered with skills...you cannot judge because we have seen little about altair till now....
about altair being outnumbered with weapons....we are talking about a sword vs. a sword...not an AK47 vs. kitchen knife....


I still don't think its a good idea to put altair against the prince in a fight because i think everyone is dedicated to something the other isnt dedicated to...its really difficult to judge without playing the game....or atleast watching enough trailers.....

likeitsme
07-12-2006, 01:34 AM
Oh lemme think...

Altair comes out of NOWHERE and jumps on the Prince to stab his neck fatally injuring him and destroying his last bit of life.

The Prince rewinds time, and freezes Altair in the air.

He then proceeds to unsheath his sword, and the rest is history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Erik_Andrew
07-12-2006, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by likeitsme:
Oh lemme think...

Altair comes out of NOWHERE and jumps on the Prince to stab his neck fatally injuring him and destroying his last bit of life.

The Prince rewinds time, and freezes Altair in the air.

He then proceeds to unsheath his sword, and the rest is history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Have you completed T2T? Well, if you have I don't think you've been paying attention cause the Sands of Time are gone, the Empress took the Sands and the Dagger from the Prince. Which then means, he CAN'T control time.

Plus, we still can't compare Altair with the Prince when they're not even of the same world. Altair is from the real world, the Prince is in a parallel world that is similar to the real world but still not the same world. And what they have fought earlier is still out of the question. We'll at least have to wait 'til we get to see Altair's real skills.

Sandwarrior1990
07-12-2006, 06:25 AM
Prince IS in the real world, just pretending that an old myth or whatever of the Sands of Time actually came true.

And.. I don't t hink Altair is in the real world http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Erik_Andrew
07-12-2006, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Sandwarrior1990:
Prince IS in the real world, just pretending that an old myth or whatever of the Sands of Time actually came true.

And.. I don't t hink Altair is in the real world http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Have you seen any sand monsters lately around where you live? Hmm... I sure haven't. And what I mean with real world is that it is actually this world, it's the same history as the history of our world. But it isn't, there were never an evil vizier who took control of the whole Indian army. But, yes, Persia does exist in our world, but not the one you see there with a Prince that could control time. It's a friggin' game, it's fiction.

Assassin's Creed is also fiction, but not in the same way. According to Jade Raymond at the E3 all the targets you'll kill in-game did actually exist, and were actually killed by the Assassins. So, it's a bit more realistic compared to the history of our world.

There is a slight difference. And about the open battle thingie: it's a matter of oppinions, no one's right about who's going to win.

Sandwarrior1990
07-12-2006, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Erik_Andrew:
Have you seen any sand monsters lately around where you live? Hmm... I sure haven't. And what I mean with real world is that it is actually this world, it's the same history as the history of our world. But it isn't, there were never an evil vizier who took control of the whole Indian army. But, yes, Persia does exist in our world, but not the one you see there with a Prince that could control time. It's a friggin' game, it's fiction.

Assassin's Creed is also fiction, but not in the same way. According to Jade Raymond at the E3 all the targets you'll kill in-game did actually exist, and were actually killed by the Assassins. So, it's a bit more realistic compared to the history of our world.
Okie dokie, but yeah I meant Prince of Persia is kinda set in a real world, but the history (time controling stuff and random islands full of sand creatures) isn't true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

But, did ya hear about the Genetic Memory stuff for Assasin's Creed? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Erik_Andrew
07-12-2006, 09:13 AM
No, actually I haven't... What is it really?

Sandwarrior1990
07-12-2006, 09:22 AM
I'm not that sure but somebody mentioned it a little on this page. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6031043244/p/6) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Onibesh
07-13-2006, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Exactly right there Sandwarrior, and one big thing we are forgetting here..Altair has never even dreamed of the horror the prince has fought. Altair might be an expert awsome assassin at killing HUMANS, but not beasts like sand monsters and brutes. so how would Altiar kill the Dahaka then?

What you are saying is completely irrelevant to the conversation. The thread I'm reading is presenting the arguement of the outcome of a fight between Altair and the Prince. Last time I checked, the Prince isn't a sand monster or a brute, much less the Dahaka. You said yourself Altair is an "expert awesome (that is assuming you meant awesome by 'awsome') assassin at killing HUMANS", and we're talking about the Prince here. Surely an "expert awesome assassin" would be able to take him out, no?

Then, you forget that the switchblade and crossbow are not Altair's only weapons. To quote EGM;

"You play Altair, a silent killer who can scale walls or delicately bounce from beam to beam like an acrobat. He's deadly with a sword and full of tricks, like blending in with a group of monks to hide from the local authorities."

Obviously Altair would have more than a "tiny little switchblade" and a crossbow at his disposal. Also, the arguement that "Prince could just rewind time if he gets in trouble" is wrong. The Prince does not have the Sands of Time any more people, okay?.

Many assumptions are being made in this thread about Altair's abilities, when in fact, at the moment, we probably don't know the half of them. We don't know all of what he has faced in his past, or the extent of what he can do, so this arguement really can not be made until this game is released.

The statement about Prince being in the real world... I'm not even going to go there.

Erik_Andrew
07-13-2006, 04:51 AM
Finally someone who can see here. I thought everyone was blind...

Onibesh FTW!

Sandwarrior1990
07-13-2006, 07:53 AM
Wow, now this thread is too serious :/

and I meant that Persia was a real place, not that the Sands of Time or The Island of Time actually exist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

<sub>teh prince of persai is mor deadlier wit a sword doodz!</sub>

Onibesh
07-13-2006, 08:25 AM
I don't think you quite understand what saying "Prince IS in the real world" implies, because that is what you said. Saying that would mean that Prince of Persia is completely void of any fantasy elements, and obviously, it isn't. All I have to go by is what you said, not what you meant to say.

And if I seem 'serious' it's because fanboys really get on my nerves, and this whole "Prince is frigging Jesus and can destroy anything" thing was getting old.

Sandwarrior1990
07-13-2006, 09:08 AM
What I meant by that is what I just said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Originally posted by: me, damnit >_>
and I meant that Persia was a real place, not that the Sands of Time or The Island of Time actually exist
Now that is what I meant. Whatever you think I was implying. That, (right there^) is what I mean.
And now I told you what I meant to say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the Prince of Persia is one of my favourite videogame characters, so I would back him up quite a bit..
I'm not a fanboy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif not like "omg like the prince totally owns you all everyone else can like go and die! DIE!"
I just like the Prince of Persia.
Just to clear things up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

EDIT: Unless you weren't refering to me when you said 'fanboys' >_>

OH_DragonBoy
07-13-2006, 11:21 AM
The prince is good with a sword, but so is Altair. However, you're forgetting one important factor - the switchblade. It's more than just a mini-sword. In fact, used propperly, a dagger is far deadlier than a sword. Swords are slow, with a lot of recoil. A dagger is swift. All Altair would have to do it catch the Prince's sword arm, and move in for the kill. And he's an assassin, so he could do it so quickly you wouldn't see him move.
The prince is fast, yeah, but you can't go faster than an assassin with a switchblade when you've got a sword - or two.
Besides, as the Prince, how many times did you get hit by enemies? A ton, right? In AC, you can't get hit more than, if not, once. Altair is gonna be better with blocking and stuff, not to mention the fact that his counters are kill moves, not just hit the body spot for MASSIVE DAMAGE!

Onibesh
07-13-2006, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Sandwarrior1990:
What I meant by that is what I just said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by: me, damnit >_>
and I meant that Persia was a real place, not that the Sands of Time or The Island of Time actually exist
Now that is what I meant. Whatever you think I was implying. That, (right there^) is what I mean. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm aware that was what you meant now (but I don't see why you said that if that was what you meant, as it doesn't really matter in this conversation. Yes, Persia is a real place. This has to do with Altair vs. Prince...?), but I don't see what your point is, because you said that AFTER I made my post. Was I supposed to read your mind to tell the difference between what you meant and what you said when I was typing my post? For the record, what you said BEFORE I made my post was;


Originally posted by Sandwarrior1990: Okie dokie, but yeah I meant Prince of Persia is kinda set in a real world, but the history (time controling stuff and random islands full of sand creatures) isn't true

and


Originally posted by Sandwarrior1990:
Prince IS in the real world, just pretending that an old myth or whatever of the Sands of Time actually came true.

THAT is what I was referring to in my post.

Sandwarrior1990
07-13-2006, 11:36 AM
I agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The prince got hit loads in all of his games, and Altair's switchblade would easily beat a sword. But the Prince has the dagger of time (minus the sands).
Although Altair's switchblade skills are way better than the prince's.

@Onibesh: Sorry about that, I'll make it clearer what I mean next time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm just gona leave it there, cause if I try to explain what I meant by that it'll end up in more confusion and arguments :/

Onibesh
07-13-2006, 11:47 AM
No problem. The idea of saying Prince was from the real world was just ludicrous to me, and I was already annoyed by some of the stuff in this thread, so I just mentioned it in my post.

By the way, the person I was mostly referring to with my fanboy comment was Fates.Dark.Hand, not you.

Erik_Andrew
07-13-2006, 11:49 AM
No, the Dagger of Time is gone along with the sands. It happens in the end of T2T.

Onibesh
07-13-2006, 11:55 AM
Oh by the way, thanks Erik, I missed your earlier post. I'm running on zero sleep at the moment http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Sandwarrior1990
07-13-2006, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Erik_Andrew:
No, the Dagger of Time is gone along with the sands. It happens in the end of T2T.
Yeah I know, that's why I said "(minus the sands)" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

@Onibesh: Okie dokie. Hah, yeah that is a ludricous thought http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Onibesh
07-13-2006, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Sandwarrior1990:
Yeah I know, that's why I said "(minus the sands)" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

You said "but the Prince has the dagger of time (minus the sands)."

I'm pretty sure that what he was pointing out was that the Prince no longer has the dagger of time, as it was lost along with the sands.

Sandwarrior1990
07-13-2006, 12:11 PM
Oh yeah... I haven't played the last game in a while http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Then the prince with his father's sword, seing as that's the last sword he gets in the trilogy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Th3C47
07-13-2006, 04:12 PM
The Prince can use any other dagger or even another sword, axe, whatever. So I guess that would counter Altair's switchblade. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OH_DragonBoy
07-13-2006, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Th3C47:
The Prince can use any other dagger or even another sword, axe, whatever. So I guess that would counter Altair's switchblade. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But he still sucks with a dagger! Did you even play the games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Sandwarrior1990
07-14-2006, 01:40 AM
But his father's sword does kick mumbo *** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Gammelprut
07-16-2006, 06:33 PM
Alta├┬»r would win and thats its. is much cooler, much better, and he would win

TheEvilEye1919
07-17-2006, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by pinglauwa:
Alta├┬»r would win and thats its. is much cooler, much better, and he would win

thats got to be the worst arguement for him winning the fight ive heard yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

if you watch the interview trailers for assassins creed they will tell you about how the game works. the object of the game is to scope out the target, take it out, and leg it away.
he is an ASSASSIN, to state the obvious thing people are missing here. The Prince is an extremely skilled WARRIOR. in a 1 on 1 fight, gladiator ring stye (no walls, obstructions, etc) just the altair, the prince and one weapon each, the altair cant win. the way assassins work is to take the target unawares. if they know the assassin is there, the assassin mayaswell get out of there. the prince on the other hand is trained to fight like that.

to clear things up, the prince would not have special powers any more that the altair could. the prince would have a sword, like he had most of the time throughout the whole series of pop games. the altair would hvae the switchblade.

id just like to point out that the switch blade isnt designed to parry sword hits, so after several hits it would either snap, or the mechanism would bend or break, making it useless.

Onibesh
07-17-2006, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by TheEvilEye1919:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pinglauwa:
Alta├┬»r would win and thats its. is much cooler, much better, and he would win

thats got to be the worst arguement for him winning the fight ive heard yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

if you watch the interview trailers for assassins creed they will tell you about how the game works. the object of the game is to scope out the target, take it out, and leg it away.
he is an ASSASSIN, to state the obvious thing people are missing here. The Prince is an extremely skilled WARRIOR. in a 1 on 1 fight, gladiator ring stye (no walls, obstructions, etc) just the altair, the prince and one weapon each, the altair cant win. the way assassins work is to take the target unawares. if they know the assassin is there, the assassin mayaswell get out of there. the prince on the other hand is trained to fight like that.

to clear things up, the prince would not have special powers any more that the altair could. the prince would have a sword, like he had most of the time throughout the whole series of pop games. the altair would hvae the switchblade.

id just like to point out that the switch blade isnt designed to parry sword hits, so after several hits it would either snap, or the mechanism would bend or break, making it useless. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do I need to say it again? Altair has a sword. You fail to realize that Altair is a Hashishin. The word assassin comes from them, and our idea of an assassin today would not neccessarily match how they would work. Hashishin were warriors. Not just people that depended on stealth. In fact, in the game, it has been stated many times that Altair doesn't maneuver by shadow, and Hashishin would actually carry out assassinations in the open very often.

You keep saying Altair is not trained as a warrior, but I'll say it one more time. He's deadly with a sword, and as far as we know, he doesn't need all these fantasy elements to keep him alive.

getblazedordie
07-17-2006, 08:48 PM
I think Altair would win, Prince got the sands of time, but i still think Altair would pull it off. He is an Assassin, he always makes opportunities out of nothing. Altair rocks

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Onibesh
07-18-2006, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by getblazedordie:
Prince got the sands of time,

Actually, he doesn't.

FableB
07-18-2006, 07:12 AM
@TheEvilEye: In the trailer, not the one with monks. The other one. You will see him fighting with a sword. That is one thing. The second thing is. He has a sword...He's not going to fight The Prince with the switch blade ofcourse not...Assassins are usually trained on 1-1 fights before they are trained on sneaking and killing in stealth. You can't become an assassin when you can't use a sword can you? They train you to get out of certain situations where you can no longer run away. And you say that the prince has skills...well...what does Altair has? teddy bears? ofcourse he has skills too.

TheEvilEye1919
07-20-2006, 12:40 PM
i stated he may fight with the switchblade, as people were making stupid comments as to the prince using magic powers and magic daggers etc in a RL style fight. tis why i said they should both use a normal weapon. as most of the trailers, although not all, show him with the switchblade, i stated that weapon, just like i said the prince would use a normal persian sword, mostlikely scimitar

SpyderNynja
07-20-2006, 03:47 PM
i hate vs threads

arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics people. you know the rest.

Onibesh
07-20-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by TheEvilEye1919:
i stated he may fight with the switchblade,

Sorry, but that's not what you said. Saying he would have and may have are two different things.

But I'm done here, arguing with fanboys gets you nowhere.

SpyderNynja
07-20-2006, 06:32 PM
exactly

TJ_Scoot2006
07-21-2006, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Fates.Dark.Hand:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Altair wouldnt stay alive long enough to realise what he is up against with the prince, Altair is outnumbered in skills, weapons and attack moves, the only thing Altair would be better than the prince at, is running away when he realises what he is up against!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Yea um Altair has more moves than prince you know it said prince had only 800 while altair had like a whopping 2,000

TJ_Scoot2006
07-21-2006, 03:15 PM
and also they both are a good at the skills they are trained. Altair has Assassination and some up close melee.while prince only has some assassination and good melee. so it seems they both outnumber eachother in different skills. Altair outnumbers Princes skills in assassination while Prince outnumbers Altair in up close melee so it seems just about dead even to me

scorpio_11
07-21-2006, 10:16 PM
Altair ;P


Hi... i'm back!!!!

Oh.... I see theres a lot of new people...


...Hii!ii!

Howler13
07-23-2006, 09:16 AM
Oh, for the love of... not another one of these topics! There we're about 50 "Prince Vs" threads on the PoP forums. Prince vs Kratos, Prince vs Spawn, Prince vs Pikachu.... it got annoying after awhile.

At the very least, it's too early, we don't have any idea what Altair can do! Let's wait til we see some in-game footage before we decide. And just for the record, Kratos would own them both. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
P.S. Please don't hate-mail me

NameWasTaken
07-24-2006, 03:08 AM
Ok, I actually made an account just to remind you all of one thing.Assasins do NOT fight fair. Altair could easily cheat on the prince in combat, play dead(maybe), throw sand in his eyes(if in the circumstances), as the prince, hes a fair warrior even a knight if we take it that way, hes royal.I don't know if any of you remember a scene in Pirates of the Carabbean 1 when Johnny Depp was fighting Orlando Blooom and threw dust in his eyes and he clearly said something like: "Of course I cheated, I'm a pirate!". Plus lets not forget that he could anger the prince wich has quite the temper and who knows what he would do, miss him fall down and Altair could stabb him? And all this is possible in a close combat because even if assasins are stealth speccified, I don't think if taken from surprise they would fail miserably. Surely an ace up their sleave.

Onibesh
07-24-2006, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Howler13:
Oh, for the love of... not another one of these topics! There we're about 50 "Prince Vs" threads on the PoP forums. Prince vs Kratos, Prince vs Spawn, Prince vs Pikachu.... it got annoying after awhile.

At the very least, it's too early, we don't have any idea what Altair can do! Let's wait til we see some in-game footage before we decide. And just for the record, Kratos would own them both. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
P.S. Please don't hate-mail me

Prince vs Kratos? Oh my god... I wish I could have seen that thread. Prince vs Altair is at least a reasonable fight, but Kratos?


.....Prince would get his persian arse smeared in ten different ways in 2 seconds. I'm not that big of a GoW fan, but let's be reasonable here. Kratos is the god of war, I mean, come on.

People can just be ignorant sometimes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

R2PQ
07-25-2006, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by young-assassin:
not if it was based in reality if it was based on realiy i would win b/c they dont even exist

Howler13
07-25-2006, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Onibesh:

Prince vs Kratos? Oh my god... I wish I could have seen that thread. Prince vs Altair is at least a reasonable fight, but Kratos?


.....Prince would get his persian arse smeared in ten different ways in 2 seconds. I'm not that big of a GoW fan, but let's be reasonable here. Kratos is the god of war, I mean, come on.

People can just be ignorant sometimes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You asked for it...

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/861108132/m/60...921033833#2921033833 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/861108132/m/6091012833?r=2921033833#2921033833)

(I chime in on pg 2 and become a very active participant from then on)
It got kind of repetitive, but alot of good points were made. When the smoke settled, there was no clear winner. Which is exactly how this thread will end up. For the next person to make an "Altair vs." thread, make it a poll.

AdumbroDeus
07-25-2006, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Erik_Andrew:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by likeitsme:
Oh lemme think...

Altair comes out of NOWHERE and jumps on the Prince to stab his neck fatally injuring him and destroying his last bit of life.

The Prince rewinds time, and freezes Altair in the air.

He then proceeds to unsheath his sword, and the rest is history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Have you completed T2T? Well, if you have I don't think you've been paying attention cause the Sands of Time are gone, the Empress took the Sands and the Dagger from the Prince. Which then means, he CAN'T control time.

Plus, we still can't compare Altair with the Prince when they're not even of the same world. Altair is from the real world, the Prince is in a parallel world that is similar to the real world but still not the same world. And what they have fought earlier is still out of the question. We'll at least have to wait 'til we get to see Altair's real skills. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Erm, problem, we're talking about game-time here, unless you plan on picking arbitrary periods after the game it's the only fair way to do it. Now, in the vast majority of all games in the series, the prince had the sands. It's not fair to have Altair equipped with all his in-game abilities and then say that the Prince is fighting from after the game.


Originally posted by OH_DragonBoy:
The prince is good with a sword, but so is Altair. However, you're forgetting one important factor - the switchblade. It's more than just a mini-sword. In fact, used propperly, a dagger is far deadlier than a sword. Swords are slow, with a lot of recoil. A dagger is swift. All Altair would have to do it catch the Prince's sword arm, and move in for the kill. And he's an assassin, so he could do it so quickly you wouldn't see him move.
The prince is fast, yeah, but you can't go faster than an assassin with a switchblade when you've got a sword - or two.
Besides, as the Prince, how many times did you get hit by enemies? A ton, right? In AC, you can't get hit more than, if not, once. Altair is gonna be better with blocking and stuff, not to mention the fact that his counters are kill moves, not just hit the body spot for MASSIVE DAMAGE!

Well, it's simply that Altair is more delicate, ergo a lesser margin of error.

On the other hand, a skilled POP player such as myself can get through a game without recieving ANY damage (did this for Two Thrones once, defeating the Ax/Sword combo was annoying as hell with these self-rules in place though). The Prince is quite an effective charecter, if you play him correctly.

Oh, and I think that chopping straight through the head, and cutting the torso ear to ear are mortal, no?

Doesn't the Prince have a Dagger too, you know a weapon that sort of, has time powers as well? He uses that quite well as I remember.


Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Howler13:
Oh, for the love of... not another one of these topics! There we're about 50 "Prince Vs" threads on the PoP forums. Prince vs Kratos, Prince vs Spawn, Prince vs Pikachu.... it got annoying after awhile.

At the very least, it's too early, we don't have any idea what Altair can do! Let's wait til we see some in-game footage before we decide. And just for the record, Kratos would own them both. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
P.S. Please don't hate-mail me

Prince vs Kratos? Oh my god... I wish I could have seen that thread. Prince vs Altair is at least a reasonable fight, but Kratos?


.....Prince would get his persian arse smeared in ten different ways in 2 seconds. I'm not that big of a GoW fan, but let's be reasonable here. Kratos is the god of war, I mean, come on.

People can just be ignorant sometimes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How so, Kratos isn't the God of war in game. He just has the chaos blades, awesome weapons but nothing compared to the dagger of time.

Again, game-time is relevent, not time period after the game (and the mental realm is really an extended cut-scene due to it being unlosable).

Prince V. Dante would be interesting though, Dante is incredibly fast (opening cut-scene, nuff said), but the Prince can rewind time and equal his speed as well as a few other awesome things, but with limited use.

But assuming game-time, stealth or no, the prince is neigh-unbeatable.

ice-icule
07-25-2006, 06:46 PM
i think the prince would easy win, to me he is cooler, he has amazing fighting skills and in pop 3, he also go stealth, prince all the way for me

Onibesh
07-26-2006, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
How so, Kratos isn't the God of war in game. He just has the chaos blades, awesome weapons but nothing compared to the dagger of time.

Actually, you get to play as Kratos while he has the Blades of Athena and you yourself are the one that sits him on the throne of the god of war, so yes, you do play him as the god of war.

And yes, since we are talking about a fight that would happen and it hasn't happened yet, that would mean that we are talking after the games, so game time is very relevant. Prince no longer has the dagger of time.

IoNoobMaster
07-26-2006, 01:37 AM
I's very logical that the prince would win because he is more agile than Altair and If some of you remember the prince could block misile and an other thing, the prince could grab Altair from the back and breake his nec.

Lhorkan
07-26-2006, 03:06 AM
Alta├┬»r is at least just as agile as the Prince.

TheEvilEye1919
07-26-2006, 01:50 PM
both games are made by same people in very similar styles. neither has any sort of advantage. its like saying "which one of these would win. the fast strong swordsman or the fast strong swordsman". its futile.

i have a better one for you !!

who would prevail in a 5 way rumble between:

Altair. (assassins creed.)OR Prince of Persia. (pop games.)
Optimus prime OR Megatron. (Transformers.)
Darth vader. (star wars.)
Shaggi + Scooby doo. (scooby doo.)
Michael Jackson. (crazy pedo singer.)

no THAT would be an amazing battle.

silentassasin05
07-26-2006, 03:18 PM
The Prince is less agile than Altair.

The Prince had a mere 800 animations, Altair has 4000+

AdumbroDeus
07-26-2006, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
How so, Kratos isn't the God of war in game. He just has the chaos blades, awesome weapons but nothing compared to the dagger of time.

Actually, you get to play as Kratos while he has the Blades of Athena and you yourself are the one that sits him on the throne of the god of war, so yes, you do play him as the god of war.

And yes, since we are talking about a fight that would happen and it hasn't happened yet, that would mean that we are talking after the games, so game time is very relevant. Prince no longer has the dagger of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You get to sit him on the throne, that's an unlosable sequence, basically a post-game cutscene, hence, no dice, for the same reason that the prince's mental realm sequence isn't applicable.

And what do you mean by, "it's going to happen"?

Altair lived in the holy land, during the crusades.

The prince lived in Babylon, during the height of the babylonian empire.

Kratos lived in Ancient Greece, presumably before Athenian ascendancy.

Though the Prince and Kratos could possibly be living the same time, it's HIGHLY inlikaly.

Because of such situations, the accepted method of comparison is taking them from game-time, unless specified otherwise (in other words Altair V. The Prince post-Two Thrones). In this case it wasn't specified as a hypothetical prelude of post-lude, therefore it's a Gaiden, it happened during the game. Same with Altair (unless you wanna play "fair", since he's after the Prince's time, we'll take him in the past, before he had Assassin training, split the difference, ya-know?).

Have we got the whole nonesense about using periods before and after the game out of our systems now? Good.


Originally posted by silentassasin05:
The Prince is less agile than Altair.

The Prince had a mere 800 animations, Altair has 4000+ Hmmmm? Game specs don't apply, just before the game designers had better tools for making Altair doesn't mean the charecter is less powerful.

That said, in agility, I'd say we can safely say Altair has the advantage, but not in Stamina.

Onibesh
07-26-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
How so, Kratos isn't the God of war in game. He just has the chaos blades, awesome weapons but nothing compared to the dagger of time.

Actually, you get to play as Kratos while he has the Blades of Athena and you yourself are the one that sits him on the throne of the god of war, so yes, you do play him as the god of war.

And yes, since we are talking about a fight that would happen and it hasn't happened yet, that would mean that we are talking after the games, so game time is very relevant. Prince no longer has the dagger of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You get to sit him on the throne, that's an unlosable sequence, basically a post-game cutscene, hence, no dice, for the same reason that the prince's mental realm sequence isn't applicable.

And what do you mean by, "it's going to happen"?

Altair lived in the holy land, during the crusades.

The prince lived in Babylon, during the height of the babylonian empire.

Kratos lived in Ancient Greece, presumably before Athenian ascendancy.

Though the Prince and Kratos could possibly be living the same time, it's HIGHLY inlikaly.

Because of such situations, the accepted method of comparison is taking them from game-time, unless specified otherwise (in other words Altair V. The Prince post-Two Thrones). In this case it wasn't specified as a hypothetical prelude of post-lude, therefore it's a Gaiden, it happened during the game. Same with Altair (unless you wanna play "fair", since he's after the Prince's time, we'll take him in the past, before he had Assassin training, split the difference, ya-know?).

Have we got the whole nonesense about using periods before and after the game out of our systems now? Good.


Originally posted by silentassasin05:
The Prince is less agile than Altair.

The Prince had a mere 800 animations, Altair has 4000+ Hmmmm? Game specs don't apply, just before the game designers had better tools for making Altair doesn't mean the charecter is less powerful.

That said, in agility, I'd say we can safely say Altair has the advantage, but not in Stamina. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The highly unlikely becomes much more reasonable when we are talking about a video game with two entirely fictional characters. Why is it that you think cut-scenes do not apply to the timeline? By "going to happen" I meant that, since we are talking about a hypothetical battle between two -- again -- fictional characters, the battle would be (hypothetically) "going to happen". You would assume that they would do this in their latest known state, unless you wanted them to rewind time back to their prime just for the fight... but then, you were mentioning something about picking arbitrary periods of time, right?

AdumbroDeus
07-26-2006, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
How so, Kratos isn't the God of war in game. He just has the chaos blades, awesome weapons but nothing compared to the dagger of time.

Actually, you get to play as Kratos while he has the Blades of Athena and you yourself are the one that sits him on the throne of the god of war, so yes, you do play him as the god of war.

And yes, since we are talking about a fight that would happen and it hasn't happened yet, that would mean that we are talking after the games, so game time is very relevant. Prince no longer has the dagger of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You get to sit him on the throne, that's an unlosable sequence, basically a post-game cutscene, hence, no dice, for the same reason that the prince's mental realm sequence isn't applicable.

And what do you mean by, "it's going to happen"?

Altair lived in the holy land, during the crusades.

The prince lived in Babylon, during the height of the babylonian empire.

Kratos lived in Ancient Greece, presumably before Athenian ascendancy.

Though the Prince and Kratos could possibly be living the same time, it's HIGHLY inlikaly.

Because of such situations, the accepted method of comparison is taking them from game-time, unless specified otherwise (in other words Altair V. The Prince post-Two Thrones). In this case it wasn't specified as a hypothetical prelude of post-lude, therefore it's a Gaiden, it happened during the game. Same with Altair (unless you wanna play "fair", since he's after the Prince's time, we'll take him in the past, before he had Assassin training, split the difference, ya-know?).

Have we got the whole nonesense about using periods before and after the game out of our systems now? Good.


Originally posted by silentassasin05:
The Prince is less agile than Altair.

The Prince had a mere 800 animations, Altair has 4000+ Hmmmm? Game specs don't apply, just before the game designers had better tools for making Altair doesn't mean the charecter is less powerful.

That said, in agility, I'd say we can safely say Altair has the advantage, but not in Stamina. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The highly unlikely becomes much more reasonable when we are talking about a video game with two entirely fictional characters. Why is it that you think cut-scenes do not apply to the timeline? By "going to happen" I meant that, since we are talking about a hypothetical battle between two -- again -- fictional characters, the battle would be (hypothetically) "going to happen". You would assume that they would do this in their latest known state, unless you wanted them to rewind time back to their prime just for the fight... but then, you were mentioning something about picking arbitrary periods of time, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't quite understand.

Last konwn state? We get a short sequence where he sits on the throne, and THAT'S IT. What does that tell us about what he can do, what does that tell us about his powers? Does he have any additional abilities period, or was his ability to beat the current God of War all that was required?

The point is this, we've got NOTHING, nadda, zippo. That's why such end-scenes don't count.

I didn't say cut-scenes don't count, but ending sequences rarely (if ever) reveal abilities of any sort. Also they are set up in terms of historical signifigance more often then not, additionally complicating the question of what exactly the powers/abilities of the charecter are.

That's why the convention is in-game. Of course, there's always the fact that there are these endless debates about when to take the charecter from.

Cut-scenes are usually more reilable actually, with the noted exception of endscenes (for the stated reason) and opening scenes (similar reasons).

Game mechanics are simplified versions of abilities to make them usable in the game effectively.

So, you misunderstood completely.

ps2wife
07-27-2006, 08:05 PM
Do any of you have a wife, what about a girlfriend? Have you seen the light of day lately. Here is a hint, TURN OFF THE SYSTEM!!!!

Howler13
07-27-2006, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by ps2wife:
Do any of you have a wife, what about a girlfriend? Have you seen the light of day lately. Here is a hint, TURN OFF THE SYSTEM!!!!

Come now, that was harsh. First off, I'm sure there are plenty of girls on this forum. Second, being a gamer doesn't mean you have no life. I know many gamers that are happily married with kids. At least until World of Warcrack came out, but thats another story. But alas, this will probably never be read by ps2wife. Registered today, 1 post... yeah.

Anyway, I repeat, this topic is a little pre-emptive, sicne we can only speculate Altair's abilities, with no gameplay footage availible. We have no idea how good of an actual fighter he is.

Onibesh
07-28-2006, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
How so, Kratos isn't the God of war in game. He just has the chaos blades, awesome weapons but nothing compared to the dagger of time.

Actually, you get to play as Kratos while he has the Blades of Athena and you yourself are the one that sits him on the throne of the god of war, so yes, you do play him as the god of war.

And yes, since we are talking about a fight that would happen and it hasn't happened yet, that would mean that we are talking after the games, so game time is very relevant. Prince no longer has the dagger of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You get to sit him on the throne, that's an unlosable sequence, basically a post-game cutscene, hence, no dice, for the same reason that the prince's mental realm sequence isn't applicable.

And what do you mean by, "it's going to happen"?

Altair lived in the holy land, during the crusades.

The prince lived in Babylon, during the height of the babylonian empire.

Kratos lived in Ancient Greece, presumably before Athenian ascendancy.

Though the Prince and Kratos could possibly be living the same time, it's HIGHLY inlikaly.

Because of such situations, the accepted method of comparison is taking them from game-time, unless specified otherwise (in other words Altair V. The Prince post-Two Thrones). In this case it wasn't specified as a hypothetical prelude of post-lude, therefore it's a Gaiden, it happened during the game. Same with Altair (unless you wanna play "fair", since he's after the Prince's time, we'll take him in the past, before he had Assassin training, split the difference, ya-know?).

Have we got the whole nonesense about using periods before and after the game out of our systems now? Good.


Originally posted by silentassasin05:
The Prince is less agile than Altair.

The Prince had a mere 800 animations, Altair has 4000+ Hmmmm? Game specs don't apply, just before the game designers had better tools for making Altair doesn't mean the charecter is less powerful.

That said, in agility, I'd say we can safely say Altair has the advantage, but not in Stamina. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The highly unlikely becomes much more reasonable when we are talking about a video game with two entirely fictional characters. Why is it that you think cut-scenes do not apply to the timeline? By "going to happen" I meant that, since we are talking about a hypothetical battle between two -- again -- fictional characters, the battle would be (hypothetically) "going to happen". You would assume that they would do this in their latest known state, unless you wanted them to rewind time back to their prime just for the fight... but then, you were mentioning something about picking arbitrary periods of time, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't quite understand.

Last konwn state? We get a short sequence where he sits on the throne, and THAT'S IT. What does that tell us about what he can do, what does that tell us about his powers? Does he have any additional abilities period, or was his ability to beat the current God of War all that was required?

The point is this, we've got NOTHING, nadda, zippo. That's why such end-scenes don't count.

I didn't say cut-scenes don't count, but ending sequences rarely (if ever) reveal abilities of any sort. Also they are set up in terms of historical signifigance more often then not, additionally complicating the question of what exactly the powers/abilities of the charecter are.

That's why the convention is in-game. Of course, there's always the fact that there are these endless debates about when to take the charecter from.

Cut-scenes are usually more reilable actually, with the noted exception of endscenes (for the stated reason) and opening scenes (similar reasons).

Game mechanics are simplified versions of abilities to make them usable in the game effectively.

So, you misunderstood completely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Misunderstanding a rediculous arguement is not too far from comprehension.

Kratos inherits the Blades of Athena, which in Kratos' hands alone are enough to tear Prince a new one. It's also known that in God of War two Kratos can dislodge the eye of a cyclops and tear down giant stone pillars with his bare hands. No new abilities? Nice try. And this is a result of the ending of the first God of War, so don't even try to say that it isn't relevant.

And, even if he didn't inherit new abilities (which he did), it wouldn't matter. He was able to take down the God of War even as his old self, making him superior with or without the throne, and had powers inherited from the gods. In my first post I didn't even say anything about "new abilities", I just said he was the God of War and that he would be able to smear Prince, which is obvious. I don't even know why you brought it up.

Zenthie
07-28-2006, 03:31 AM
Altair would win. People saying ''Prince is more agile etc'' haven't readed about the game very much.. I mean, This game is from the guys who made PoP, they have said that Altair will be MORE agile than prince.
Prince is a warrior and Altair is a assassin, well true, BUT, assassins get a better melee combat training than warriors get, In my opinion.

+ Assassin's creed isn't even out yet, so you don't know the combat moves, but they WILL be better than princes, to remind ytou again, this is a game from guys who did PoP.
And you can't say ''Prince killed guys in PoP trilogy.. HUNDREDS11!1!'.
HE didn't kill anyone like Altair.

So, guys are saying ''Prince would disarm altair!''
Well, Altair would use his switchblade, dodge the hit prince makes, steps left, then hits prince to his back. With the blade.
And this move is actually in the game, even Alta├┬*r unarmed can do this move and take the weapon of the opponent.

That's All I can think now, but Altair would definately win, without the sand powers.
He has better training, he is faster, he is more agile, he has best counter attack in teh univers3, etc..

And as said before, the Hasashin ( also known as that ) were warriors. Altair is up for public executions, not executions from shadow.

( Even nowdays, ''assassins'' get a HIGH melee training, in martial arts, boxing, knife fights.. )

Howler13
07-29-2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Onibesh:
I just said he was the God of War and that he would be able to smear Prince, which is obvious. I don't even know why you brought it up.

Sorry. That would be my fault. Also, please cease the obsessant chain quoting, delete the quotes in between.

Fates.Dark.Hand
07-29-2006, 12:12 PM
Is it me being paranoid, or has this got out of hand? They are game charicters, sheesh...no need for blood to be spilt. calm down We're all at the forums for a good time, and to learn new things. not to create World War 3.

lets just all agree to dissagree? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

etothevizzle
07-29-2006, 05:46 PM
altair

AdumbroDeus
07-29-2006, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
How so, Kratos isn't the God of war in game. He just has the chaos blades, awesome weapons but nothing compared to the dagger of time.

Actually, you get to play as Kratos while he has the Blades of Athena and you yourself are the one that sits him on the throne of the god of war, so yes, you do play him as the god of war.

And yes, since we are talking about a fight that would happen and it hasn't happened yet, that would mean that we are talking after the games, so game time is very relevant. Prince no longer has the dagger of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You get to sit him on the throne, that's an unlosable sequence, basically a post-game cutscene, hence, no dice, for the same reason that the prince's mental realm sequence isn't applicable.

And what do you mean by, "it's going to happen"?

Altair lived in the holy land, during the crusades.

The prince lived in Babylon, during the height of the babylonian empire.

Kratos lived in Ancient Greece, presumably before Athenian ascendancy.

Though the Prince and Kratos could possibly be living the same time, it's HIGHLY inlikaly.

Because of such situations, the accepted method of comparison is taking them from game-time, unless specified otherwise (in other words Altair V. The Prince post-Two Thrones). In this case it wasn't specified as a hypothetical prelude of post-lude, therefore it's a Gaiden, it happened during the game. Same with Altair (unless you wanna play "fair", since he's after the Prince's time, we'll take him in the past, before he had Assassin training, split the difference, ya-know?).

Have we got the whole nonesense about using periods before and after the game out of our systems now? Good.


Originally posted by silentassasin05:
The Prince is less agile than Altair.

The Prince had a mere 800 animations, Altair has 4000+ Hmmmm? Game specs don't apply, just before the game designers had better tools for making Altair doesn't mean the charecter is less powerful.

That said, in agility, I'd say we can safely say Altair has the advantage, but not in Stamina. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The highly unlikely becomes much more reasonable when we are talking about a video game with two entirely fictional characters. Why is it that you think cut-scenes do not apply to the timeline? By "going to happen" I meant that, since we are talking about a hypothetical battle between two -- again -- fictional characters, the battle would be (hypothetically) "going to happen". You would assume that they would do this in their latest known state, unless you wanted them to rewind time back to their prime just for the fight... but then, you were mentioning something about picking arbitrary periods of time, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't quite understand.

Last konwn state? We get a short sequence where he sits on the throne, and THAT'S IT. What does that tell us about what he can do, what does that tell us about his powers? Does he have any additional abilities period, or was his ability to beat the current God of War all that was required?

The point is this, we've got NOTHING, nadda, zippo. That's why such end-scenes don't count.

I didn't say cut-scenes don't count, but ending sequences rarely (if ever) reveal abilities of any sort. Also they are set up in terms of historical signifigance more often then not, additionally complicating the question of what exactly the powers/abilities of the charecter are.

That's why the convention is in-game. Of course, there's always the fact that there are these endless debates about when to take the charecter from.

Cut-scenes are usually more reilable actually, with the noted exception of endscenes (for the stated reason) and opening scenes (similar reasons).

Game mechanics are simplified versions of abilities to make them usable in the game effectively.

So, you misunderstood completely. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Misunderstanding a rediculous arguement is not too far from comprehension.

Kratos inherits the Blades of Athena, which in Kratos' hands alone are enough to tear Prince a new one. It's also known that in God of War two Kratos can dislodge the eye of a cyclops and tear down giant stone pillars with his bare hands. No new abilities? Nice try. And this is a result of the ending of the first God of War, so don't even try to say that it isn't relevant.

And, even if he didn't inherit new abilities (which he did), it wouldn't matter. He was able to take down the God of War even as his old self, making him superior with or without the throne, and had powers inherited from the gods. In my first post I didn't even say anything about "new abilities", I just said he was the God of War and that he would be able to smear Prince, which is obvious. I don't even know why you brought it up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Suffice it to say, in any sort of logical debate, ANY arguement is creditable unless discounted by reason and/or facts. Now then, to discount yours....

Yes, I am aware that Kratos is darn powerful, he can dislodge stone pillers with his bare hands, ect. He also defeated the old God of War, proof of his powers.

However in the case of defeating the god of war, it really doesn't carry much credibility. The reason is that he is (or was to be more precise) a polytheistic diety. Polytheistic dieties vary in their degree of power, depending on the individual mythology as well as the story told. They are far from all-powerful, so really, since we can't estimate how powerful Ares actually was, his defeat doesn't tell us much about how powerful Kratos really is, therefore it is irrelevent.

The previously stated physical feats are not however. Unfortunatly, this is where the problem lies, he has to actually connect with his foe for his powers to be useful.

So, the problem is, you fail to appreciate the true strategic power of time manipulation. The speed, the ability to eliminate mistakes and/or see where your foe is striking the moment he has commited himself to the strike, the implications of that, speaking as a trained martial artist myself, are absolutely staggering, yes staggering.

With such abilities it would be easy to manuevuer onself into a position where one could deliver a fatal strike to the foe, places like the neck, the chest, ect.

So in essence, Kratos is left with no way to actually strike the prince, nor prevent him from launching a fatal strike. It would be foolish to go into a battle against such odds.

Onibesh
07-29-2006, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
Suffice it to say, in any sort of logical debate, ANY arguement is creditable unless discounted by reason and/or facts. Now then, to discount yours....

Yes, I am aware that Kratos is darn powerful, he can dislodge stone pillers with his bare hands, ect. He also defeated the old God of War, proof of his powers.

However in the case of defeating the god of war, it really doesn't carry much credibility. The reason is that he is (or was to be more precise) a polytheistic diety. Polytheistic dieties vary in their degree of power, depending on the individual mythology as well as the story told. They are far from all-powerful, so really, since we can't estimate how powerful Ares actually was, his defeat doesn't tell us much about how powerful Kratos really is, therefore it is irrelevent.

The previously stated physical feats are not however. Unfortunatly, this is where the problem lies, he has to actually connect with his foe for his powers to be useful.

So, the problem is, you fail to appreciate the true strategic power of time manipulation. The speed, the ability to eliminate mistakes and/or see where your foe is striking the moment he has commited himself to the strike, the implications of that, speaking as a trained martial artist myself, are absolutely staggering, yes staggering.

With such abilities it would be easy to manuevuer onself into a position where one could deliver a fatal strike to the foe, places like the neck, the chest, ect.

So in essence, Kratos is left with no way to actually strike the prince, nor prevent him from launching a fatal strike. It would be foolish to go into a battle against such odds.

I don't think you quite understand what the word god means. Let me say it again. GOD. He is not a demi-god, he was a GOD. You understand the magnitude of that word? Good.

Even in mythology, their power was -- to take a word from your book -- staggering. Very few, if not any mortals could have any hope of even touching them, no matter the version of the myth you're looking at.

But let's look at the version of the myth that the game used. See, that's the problem with you, you're overlooking things that are right in front of you. Ares was all-powerful in GoW 1, and since we are talking about GoW 1... hmmm.. wouldn't that be the version of the myth that we would use? Yes? I knew you could do it!

And, if you think that strength was the only thing that Kratos inherited from the gods, then honestly, I was completely mistaken in assuming that I was arguing with someone of intelligence. The multiple grammatical mistakes in your posts should have tipped me off a while back.

And trained martial artist? I really don't care if you're Bruce frigging Lee. We are talking about the god of war. You can spin kick him in the nuts all you want, he will still own you.


Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
So in essence, Kratos is left with no way to actually strike the prince, nor prevent him from launching a fatal strike. It would be foolish to go into a battle against such odds.

...Where did you get that from? Did you suddenly come to the conclusion that Prince is Jesus?

AdumbroDeus
08-01-2006, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Onibesh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
Suffice it to say, in any sort of logical debate, ANY arguement is creditable unless discounted by reason and/or facts. Now then, to discount yours....

Yes, I am aware that Kratos is darn powerful, he can dislodge stone pillers with his bare hands, ect. He also defeated the old God of War, proof of his powers.

However in the case of defeating the god of war, it really doesn't carry much credibility. The reason is that he is (or was to be more precise) a polytheistic diety. Polytheistic dieties vary in their degree of power, depending on the individual mythology as well as the story told. They are far from all-powerful, so really, since we can't estimate how powerful Ares actually was, his defeat doesn't tell us much about how powerful Kratos really is, therefore it is irrelevent.

The previously stated physical feats are not however. Unfortunatly, this is where the problem lies, he has to actually connect with his foe for his powers to be useful.

So, the problem is, you fail to appreciate the true strategic power of time manipulation. The speed, the ability to eliminate mistakes and/or see where your foe is striking the moment he has commited himself to the strike, the implications of that, speaking as a trained martial artist myself, are absolutely staggering, yes staggering.

With such abilities it would be easy to manuevuer onself into a position where one could deliver a fatal strike to the foe, places like the neck, the chest, ect.

So in essence, Kratos is left with no way to actually strike the prince, nor prevent him from launching a fatal strike. It would be foolish to go into a battle against such odds.

I don't think you quite understand what the word god means. Let me say it again. GOD. He is not a demi-god, he was a GOD. You understand the magnitude of that word? Good.

Even in mythology, their power was -- to take a word from your book -- staggering. Very few, if not any mortals could have any hope of even touching them, no matter the version of the myth you're looking at.

But let's look at the version of the myth that the game used. See, that's the problem with you, you're overlooking things that are right in front of you. Ares was all-powerful in GoW 1, and since we are talking about GoW 1... hmmm.. wouldn't that be the version of the myth that we would use? Yes? I knew you could do it!



</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please refrain from flaming, it's a good example of the Ad Hominem logical fallacy and only serves to discredit your arguement further. In addition, refrain from using grammar to try to discredit the arguement, that is yet another example of an Ad Hominem, whatever my personal atributes are, be they lack of grammorical skill (which I freely admit) or any other defect which you decide to bring up, it proves nothing about whether or not you are correct on the issue at hand. Now, kindly stick to the points.

Now then, so Ares was a god (little "g" remember, capital "g" refers to a monotheistic god, small "g" referes to a polytheistic god), that meant he was powerful, but it doesn't establish HOW powerful. What about the Vizer, who himself became a god, the god of time, as he put it. Did that make him invincable, no. The accolade "god" guarentees little.

Now you are claiming Ares was all-powerful in the game, right? So how did Kratos defeat him? If Ares was in fact all-powerful, he would not have been confined to the timeline and made Kratos disapear before he was old enough to even think about challenging anyone with a single thought. He could've just popped him out of existance at any point, being fully aware of what Kratos would desire later.

Moreso, he would not have been killable by any means whatsoever. That is what being all-powerful is, and it goes hand in hand with being all-knowing. If that were the case he would've been undeatable, period.

In addition, it wouldn't pan out, there are other Gods in the mythos, you simply cannot have an all-powerful god in a politheistic religion, it defies the definition. You could POSSIBLY claim that Zeus is a monotheistic god and the other gods aren't really gods, but that's absolutely butchering Greek mythology. Ares, no.



And, if you think that Strength was the only thing that Kratos inherited from the gods, then honestly, I was completely mistaken in assuming that I was arguing with someone of intelligence. The multiple grammatical mistakes in your posts should have tipped me off a while back. Heh? What on earth are you talking about, I'm refering to new abilities gained when he replaced Ares, which we cannot assume either way because none were shown, therefore Kratos, post-Ares battle is inadmissable.


And trained martial artist? I really don't care if you're Bruce frigging Lee. We are talking about the god of War. You can spin kick him in the nuts all you want, he will still own you. If you actually read my post you would understand what my point was, it wasn't to say that I could own Ares (well, in the real world, since he is a figment of our collective imaginations, then I could, and have, by refusing to believe in him, but not in Kratos's world), my point was to establish that I am trained as a fighter and therefore, know the factors in a fight, and am therefore, better equipped to judge who the victor would be. I do not claim to be a grandmaster, merely someone who knows the mechanics of fighting.

Now let me explain something, in general, brute strength is rarely the deciding factor in a fight. Speed and technique are what carry the day, though speed is the only one which can destroy a foe exclusively. Techniques can be dodged, a fast enough person cannot be blocked or hit. Speed kills, it kills those who don't have it.

In cases where you are dealing with normal human opponents, only the most intensly trained can gain a level of speed that can completely decimate a foe, irreguardless of their skills in anything other then speed. Usually technique carries the day, but when you hit the supernatural, you get extremes. Kratos is extremely strong, and were he to actually connect with the prince, he would probably kill the Prince. Because of his time manipulation however, the Prince has the speed to prevent this, as well as the speed to guarentee a fatal strike, and well Kratos's attacks would amount to massive overkill against the Prince, it doesn't take much to pierce a lung, or cut a vital artery, or the like provided one has the time to do so, and that would be what the time manipulation would allow. Therefore it is the deciding factor.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
So in essence, Kratos is left with no way to actually strike the prince, nor prevent him from launching a fatal strike. It would be foolish to go into a battle against such odds.

...Where did you get that from? Did you suddenly come to the conclusion that Prince is Jesus? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I got it from a magical dagger which the Prince uses which allows him to manipulate time, or did you not read that far?

Howler13
08-01-2006, 11:17 PM
I'm suprised a mod hasn't said anything yet, so I will: You guys are hijacking the topic. This is supposed to be "Altiar vs Prince," not "Prince vs. Kratos." I apologize for bringing it up in the first place, open a new thread if you want to continue this.

TJ_Scoot2006
08-02-2006, 02:38 AM
how did this topic go to Prince vs kratos from prince vs Altair

kew414
08-02-2006, 04:31 AM
Altiar will win duh, he has a crossbow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Unless the prince has his fathers sword http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

knife_X
08-02-2006, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by kew414:
Altiar will win duh, he has a crossbow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Unless the prince has his fathers sword http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

oh yeah lol the hes father sword is a one hit kill all the time lol makes speed kill obselite!

AdumbroDeus
08-02-2006, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Howler13:
I'm suprised a mod hasn't said anything yet, so I will: You guys are hijacking the topic. This is supposed to be "Altiar vs Prince," not "Prince vs. Kratos." I apologize for bringing it up in the first place, open a new thread if you want to continue this.

Not really, because it's relevent, my assertion is that if the Prince can be Kratos then the same can be said of Altair. Most of the arguements made are relevent against either.

It's actually just a tangent.

Onibesh
08-02-2006, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by AdumbroDeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Howler13:
I'm suprised a mod hasn't said anything yet, so I will: You guys are hijacking the topic. This is supposed to be "Altiar vs Prince," not "Prince vs. Kratos." I apologize for bringing it up in the first place, open a new thread if you want to continue this.

Not really, because it's relevent, my assertion is that if the Prince can be Kratos then the same can be said of Altair. Most of the arguements made are relevent against either.

It's actually just a tangent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Prince can be Kratos? What? Maybe you mean beat?

And Howler is right, talking about Prince vs. Kratos in a Prince vs. Altair thread is spam in forum rules, and I apologize for contributing to it. If you want to make another Prince vs. Kratos thread in the PoP forums I would be happy to continue, but it would probably get closed considering what happened to the last one. (and, making another one would be kind of stupid, but whatever you want to do)

And about the flaming thing; when you insulted my intelligence by telling me that I don't understand you, when I perfectly do, (some of your arguement was just you feeling the need to tell everyone how awesome you think you are, e.g. "speaking as a trained martial artist myself", "a skilled POP player such as myself" who cares, dude?) I responded by insulting yours. Forgive me for being frank and not hiding behind suggestion like yourself.

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-03-2006, 05:03 AM
Nice to see we are one big happy family here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

FableB
08-03-2006, 10:21 AM
Make it "One big <STRIKE>happy</STRIKE> family" and i will agree...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Sandwarrior1990
08-03-2006, 10:50 AM
Getting out of hand you smelly barrels of fish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Wana talk about PoP vs Kratos? Visit the PoP forum. I think there's a thread there about it, all you have to do is search a little.

and the prince can deflect arrows in the T2T game, so his crossbow would be kinda useless unless it was seriously close range http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-03-2006, 12:57 PM
Thank god has'nt become a debate on CNN...i hope i hav'nt spoke to soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

(P.S wellcome back James http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Howler13
08-03-2006, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Sandwarrior1990:
Wana talk about PoP vs Kratos? Visit the PoP forum. I think there's a thread there about it, all you have to do is search a little.

The topic was officially colsed, and that would be necro-posting anyway, which is discouraged. If you really want to continue it, start a new one here with "Off-Topic" in the title. The mods probably won't care.
I know I'm not really contributing to the debate, because I'm unbiased at the moment. You all are making pretty good arguments (from what I've bothered to read). WE NEED IN-GAME FOOTAGE!!!!

zgubilici
08-03-2006, 08:05 PM
Yes, that topic was officialy closed in the POP forums because there was an overabundance of "Prince vs...." threads. These kind of threads are not encouraged in any forum, because they tend to "multiply".
Let's keep the "....vs....." things in this thread for now, no new thread is needed, thanks.

OH_DragonBoy
08-04-2006, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by zgubilici:
Yes, that topic was officialy closed in the POP forums because there was an overabundance of "Prince vs...." threads. These kind of threads are not encouraged in any forum, because they tend to "multiply".
Let's keep the "....vs....." things in this thread for now, no new thread is needed, thanks. I actually made a fight thread where people could vs. anyone they liked. But it got closed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

FableB
08-04-2006, 07:14 AM
Your threads always have short lives http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Sandwarrior1990
08-04-2006, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Howler13:
The topic was officially colsed, and that would be necro-posting anyway, which is discouraged. If you really want to continue it, start a new one here with "Off-Topic" in the title. The mods probably won't care.
I know I'm not really contributing to the debate, because I'm unbiased at the moment. You all are making pretty good arguments (from what I've bothered to read). WE NEED IN-GAME FOOTAGE!!!!
Lets get a video of the princes speed kills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif *goes to find IGN video*

EDIT: Just saw Alex's post so.. my post is edited

thijscell
08-06-2006, 06:41 AM
eeeh altair would win without a brake of sweat
because the prince is stupid and doesent think clear before doing somthing and altair is trained for more than 1 enemey so thats a bonus cause he wont need to focus on more than 1 so he'l be focust on just the prince and btw if the price would rewind time he would get the same **** as before and he would die again and again :P haha the prinse woulnd stant a chance

Sandwarrior1990
08-06-2006, 07:07 AM
The Prince is trained for more fighting more than one person at a time too o_O

Ushiputu
08-06-2006, 10:00 AM
You cant really compare considering that assasins creed hasnt come out yet. What if when you get into it altair can fight multi person. Although no matter prince of persia RULES!!!!!

Oh by the way if db's english is rubbish then i must be talking japanese.

Knuckles36
08-06-2006, 10:49 PM
funny how i never thought of comparing this game to Prince of persia.

etothevizzle
08-07-2006, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Knuckles36:
funny how i never thought of comparing this game to Prince of persia.

same here...taking away the facts that they are both "traceurs" and the team behind the sands of time is developing this game...no similarities

Aliloly
08-07-2006, 11:22 AM
hey look guys this is a very easy question to answer if it`s a real fight altair would win but if it is in a game surley prince will bec. he can slow altair down and make the cyclone of fate wich will get altair down and he would kill him easily and if altair hit him he would easily rewind time and if u remember how he killed the unstoppable beast the Dahaka he wouldn`t kill such a man with no powers but in areal fight surley altair will win bec. he is trained to kill people and that`s his job he can wall run and slide the blade down from is hand and stab is in Kakalukia (the prince) it would be simple

Sandwarrior1990
08-07-2006, 12:00 PM
Good points, but the prince isn't called Kakalukia http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

FableB
08-07-2006, 04:00 PM
I do think that this should be a man to man fight...A circle...Two men...Two swords...no magic.......

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Maybe, BUT Prince and Altair are both game charicters. you could have many many many MANY different battles like "Dante Vs Altiar Vs Prince Vs Kratos Vs Mr Blobby in a tripple cage, flying dagger bouncy castle match" and this will always come up "Dante would shoot them with his guns" "well Kratos is strong enough to deflect bullets with his skin" "and prince would rewind time" "and Mr blobby would eat them" and whatever, if the game charicters were meant to fight and battle to the death, the would be put in the same game, and would be given equal opourtunities, powers, weapons, skills and all that shizz.

Their abilities are created to suit the Gameplay they are put in, a better argument would be "would the Prince of Persia win in Altairs inviroment?" and "would Mr Blobby win in Dantes inviroment" those would be better questions, not just arguing if Prince is alowed to use his sand powers, in my eyes he should be alowed...he was not given them for nothing, but then again he was not given them to kill Altair with.

FableB
08-09-2006, 05:15 AM
Ofcourse you can't put Dante and the Prince in a fight because Dante will just shoot the Prince...But here we are talking about Altair and the Prince using swords only and i think they both know how to use it perfectly....you cant let the prince rewind time...otherwise he will win the fight...we are talking about a HUMAN fight....body vs body....FLESH! SWORD!.....

DarkCrawler90
08-17-2006, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Zenthie:
Altair would win. People saying ''Prince is more agile etc'' haven't readed about the game very much.. I mean, This game is from the guys who made PoP, they have said that Altair will be MORE agile than prince.
Prince is a warrior and Altair is a assassin, well true, BUT, assassins get a better melee combat training than warriors get, In my opinion.

+ Assassin's creed isn't even out yet, so you don't know the combat moves, but they WILL be better than princes, to remind ytou again, this is a game from guys who did PoP.
And you can't say ''Prince killed guys in PoP trilogy.. HUNDREDS11!1!'.
HE didn't kill anyone like Altair.

So, guys are saying ''Prince would disarm altair!''
Well, Altair would use his switchblade, dodge the hit prince makes, steps left, then hits prince to his back. With the blade.
And this move is actually in the game, even Alta├┬*r unarmed can do this move and take the weapon of the opponent.

That's All I can think now, but Altair would definately win, without the sand powers.
He has better training, he is faster, he is more agile, he has best counter attack in teh univers3, etc..

And as said before, the Hasashin ( also known as that ) were warriors. Altair is up for public executions, not executions from shadow.

( Even nowdays, ''assassins'' get a HIGH melee training, in martial arts, boxing, knife fights.. )

Not to sound smug, but did you read my post...?

Prince has pretty much every possible advantage, besides agility.

the_gr8_i_am
08-23-2006, 02:23 AM
well what about the prince in the sands of time he could control time i mean he could slow down timwe altiar and if the prince got stab he could just go back and he would know what was about to happen but even that all fantasy put aside the prince would still win hes a better fighter because assassins are not as altiar is depicted so yeah prince all the way but what i have seen the win would go to the one the makes the first mstake

anselm98
07-14-2007, 10:46 AM
seeing as everybody is complaining that they would battle in reality, with equal rules and i suppose no magic or anything, altair would win. altair is made to fight realistically. the prince is awesome in his games...where you can take a million blows to the head, and where you can slow down time. try beating any of the pop games without using your time powers. try restarting when you get hit once. it doesnt work does it?

if they were fighting with the rules from their individual games, the prince would massacre altair..

Massy_R
07-14-2007, 11:46 AM
the altair guy have a big white eye-covering hood on his head while he fight, the other one (the prince) could break dance behind him without getting seen...in REALITY , yes, the assassin would be assassinated

come on, "I" could kill him...punk altair stop wearing hoods

but he's , yes, "cooler" then the prince

ScytheOfGrim
07-14-2007, 11:52 AM
this thread is so old that i dunno why you revived it...

altair would own the prince cuz he can counter any stupid swing the prince throws at him!!

he's also got an autoblock feature that the prince doesnt have!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

OhItsArcheys
07-14-2007, 11:52 AM
how can you people even judge the game isnt out yet maybe and even if i would say assassin didnt you see the videos with those fights? Altair has countering moves and stuff while prince would charge him he would counter it well anyway sorry if it isnt allowed posting here anymore i just didnt get it !

SCARFACE_47
07-14-2007, 11:53 AM
fresh prince would easily win even without the sands of time
don┬┤t you know the videos in warrior within, where he is in that battle and kills about 30 people
you can compare altair with batman (really), coz he has simply no powers and has to work with gadets and his mind, and the prince is more like well yeah spider-man, he is way more flexible and able to perform awesome moves
or you just say it that way
while prince and altair fight, you see a balded dude with 2 motherf**king BIG swords rushing to them beating the sh*t outta them
and his name will be kratos....

ScytheOfGrim
07-14-2007, 11:58 AM
and in come sephiroth, with a katana the size of...you don't want me to finish that sentence...

the prince will be owned cuz he tries to show off by doing his handstand/spin/flippy-thingie and then cracks his ankle. then altair leaps onto him with his switchblade.

or altair could just throw one of his daggers at him...altair dont play fair http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

chikkenstorm
07-14-2007, 12:02 PM
@Scythe: The Prince would just simply trow one his secondary weapon (axe, hammer) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

But while the Prince is more athletic, Altair can do counter-combos, and I've never seen the Prince do that. So the Prince rushes in with all his tricks and Altair would just block it and counter him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Altair 1 - Prince 0

anselm98
07-14-2007, 12:36 PM
we need a poll thingy...

SCARFACE_47
07-14-2007, 01:00 PM
of course prince does counters!!!
just block, wait for the attack and then press attack or secondary attack to counterattack

ThePheonix1030
07-14-2007, 01:07 PM
How come my Snake vs. Altair (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/2501091665) thread didn't get as much posts as this one and mine is older? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Anyways...Altair would slice the prince's neck with his switchblade http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

OhItsArcheys
07-14-2007, 01:07 PM
yesh but they are not as good as altairs!

chikkenstorm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol have you seen any gameplay movies ? altair is definetly more athletic than prince! prince is atlethic but altair is better

ill prove it , altair runs , jumps , grabs some 4 cm sh** , sticking out of a wall! prince tryes to catch him , jumps , oops he cant hold that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mowens1984
07-14-2007, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
prince would win
he can use the power of sands........

Haha, that's what I was thinking. The Prince would just slow down time or if he got killed, rewind and kill Altair as he was trotting off victoriously.

My vote is on the Prince. Though they are fairly equal in weaponry. Both use swords and throw objects. Altair throws knives while the Prince threw daggers/axes/maces.

SCARFACE_47
07-14-2007, 01:59 PM
please make it a pool

SpyderNynja
07-14-2007, 02:22 PM
well, they can both do parkour...

they are both skilled swordsmen (the prince is acrobatic as hell and can block almost any attack, but so can Altair and Altair's attacks are pretty counter based)

But the Prince is basically unstoppable because of the sands.

Had it been a one on one fight with no sands or element of surprise stealth, it would be an epic draw. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

the_assassin_07
07-14-2007, 02:23 PM
Altair would win with one hand behind his back. The prince doesn't use his brain he just simply keeps swinging his sword. And cmon this is ALTAIR we r tlkin about, he is the master of killing!(and jumping,balancing,climbing up walls, weapons expert..... i cud go on all day like this) and the prince wud just faint by lookin at the scarieness of Altair.
Altair: You wi....
Prince: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gifI want my mummyyyyyyyyy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif
GO ALTAIR! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



-You can't escape the Assassin-

SCARFACE_47
07-14-2007, 02:43 PM
ok i think we will never ever come to a conclussion
but how about this
since there will be no ending when altair and prince fight, let┬┤s take 2 fanboys and let them fight
altairfanboy: "my char. is way better than yours silly"
princefanboy: "go f**k yourself fool"
CATFIIIIIIIGHT
or my second opinion is let them do what i do, when i have do decid something
LET TEKKEN DECIDE
the one of them (altair or prince, not the fanboys) who is better in tekken wins
or my personal favorite.....MODEL CONTEEEEEEEST (screams like mortal kombaaaaat)
aand since the prince looks way more sexy he wins FIN

ilnadmy
07-14-2007, 03:00 PM
Well the Prince is a lot more agile than Altair; Altair can't run across walls, jump off, glide down a banner, jump backwards onto a pole, flip around it for a bit, stop on top, jump up onto another ledge, then climb up. In that sense in an open battle I would say it would be damn hard for Altair to catch the Prince.

I still think Altair is cooler though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SCARFACE_47
07-14-2007, 03:06 PM
yeah right, prince boned the empress of time for christ sake
let altair top that xD

OhItsArcheys
07-14-2007, 03:32 PM
Altair assassinated Jesus http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol jk

but ilnadmy are you out of your mind ? dont you know altairs free-runing will be more fluid , like prince runs jumps and stuff but he makes little stops betwen those things , Altair on the other hand does it quick and fluid so he would easly catch up to prince and assassinate him

SCARFACE_47
07-15-2007, 02:48 AM
that┬┤s only coz of the different at the 2 consoles, ps2 and ps3 but look at the videos in warrior within with the fighting scenes where prince jumps ON a sword and flips and stuff
.
.
.
I GOT IT
they just would never fight each other because this would be like a fight between the klitschko brothers
they simply do NOT fight

http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

ScytheOfGrim
07-15-2007, 03:55 AM
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

and while prince is hugging, he gets a switchblade through his head. yes, head.

SCARFACE_47
07-15-2007, 04:24 AM
why did i only use that smiley....

ilnadmy
07-15-2007, 09:36 AM
The Prince is surprisingly fluid in his movements, he doesn't need to pause more than Altair, plus he has a much wider moveset than Altair does. I still stand by my statement that the Prince would kick Altair's ***. I mean the guy kills a vizier hopped up on magical sands, what more could you ask for? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

chikkenstorm
07-15-2007, 09:43 AM
If Prince gets sand, Altair gets monks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And a huge tower to climb http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ScytheOfGrim
07-15-2007, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by ilnadmy:
The Prince is surprisingly fluid in his movements, he doesn't need to pause more than Altair, plus he has a much wider moveset than Altair does. I still stand by my statement that the Prince would kick Altair's ***. I mean the guy kills a vizier hopped up on magical sands, what more could you ask for? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

altair would own hiim the second he pauses to access his oversized move pool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

ownage on the options screen!!! OH YEAH!!!

Sashc777
07-15-2007, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Outcast44:
While reading in the forum I couldn't help notice all the talks about comparing Assassin's Creed with Prince of Persia games. So I 'll set a question: in an open battle between Altair and the Prince who would win and how?
well i think the prince would win because of the amount of hits he can take but if they where the same health then i think that altier would win all he has to do is throw a dagger into his heart..but he can block it,well i dont know but it would be a good fight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

sireatsalot91
07-15-2007, 06:12 PM
It depends if the Prince could use the Sands of Time. Even if the SoT were used Altair would win. Altair would use blend and turn into a sand zombie or monster or something because Prince would assume that Altair was as imobile and slow as the others, when he is actually as/more nimble than the Prince. When the Prince goes for a wall run and then drops with the sword hoping to slice through Altair, Altair would then counter him, grab the Dagger of Time so the Prince could not save himself again, and finish him off. Afterwards, Altair would switch his hidden blade w/ the DoT so he coul hurt himself time after time, lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Skn99
07-15-2007, 08:32 PM
altair because he has a hood ^^(yeah i love hoods ^^)
just kidding, i belive the prince would most likely win even dough i'm a fan of altair if you whatch how they both figth.

CrypticTruth
07-15-2007, 10:50 PM
Okay in an Open battle and no magic(Sands of Times)

They Both stare at each other looking to who would make the first move, Since the prince is more ruthless and Altair is more cautious and waits for his time, the prince charges with his sword guarding his upper body. Altair stares and watches the prince charge. The prince ducks and slashes at Altair's feet. Altair jumps back and shoots out his sword aiming for the Princes Head. The Prince blocks his attack and jumps back to defeat the range of his sword. Altair Charges and jumps in the air, he throws his sword at the Prince. The Prince blocks his sword but his guard is now down and Altair takes out his hidden dagger and stabs the Prince on the neck. The Prince dies and Altair walks away like nothing happened. I don't know I just kinda made Altair win cause i like him better. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif sorry to anyone who disapproves.

Karl_93
07-16-2007, 06:25 AM
Open battle with magic- Prince>Altair because Prince can use the sands of time

Open battle without magic- Altair>Prince because he's got more skill (personal opinion)

"Dirty" battle in city with magic- Altair>Prince because Altair can social stealth up to Prince and kill him before Prince uses the sands

"Dirty" battle in city without magic- Altair>Prince with stealth.

ScytheOfGrim
07-16-2007, 06:50 AM
open battle with gameshark altair>total pwnge of prince

open battle with action replay...same story...

super-gigantic-ginormous-ultra-supped-up-omega-altair-beta...prince doesnt stand a frikin chance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Truthfuleagle
07-16-2007, 11:12 AM
I think altiar would win(in a battle without the use of any sands of time magic) cause he's more atletic then the prince. Altiar is more patient as well so he could wait 4 the prince 2 make a move and easily counter it, ending the match as soon as it started...nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

tschlosser
07-16-2007, 11:15 AM
Sorry to say, but the Prince would kick Altairs ***! aight, they're in the city, Altair is usin social stealth, the Prince stops time, and looks through the crowd, then he see's altair, then times go again, altairs goes to shoot a bolt, Prince blocks it, altair is confused, runs after him, and then the prince runs up a wall and cuts off his head, lol, pretty much, that would happen!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SCARFACE_47
07-16-2007, 11:46 AM
there woulb be bets going around and when altair and prince see that they are equal, they decide not to fight and shao tsung says friendship! friendship!? again??
but since so many people now want their money back one of them hires agent 47 to shoot both in the arena but suddenly kratos jumps in catching the bullets and says that we all should live in peace by killing shao tsung
that way altair, agent 47, the prince, kratos AND the klitschko brothers killed shao tsung
FIN

ScytheOfGrim
07-16-2007, 11:48 AM
and then Mc.Fluffenstein hops in and gives every one an easter egg!!! and they all lived happily ever after...

something is seriously flawed with that plot... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

SCARFACE_47
07-16-2007, 12:38 PM
yeah mc fluffenstein isn┬┤t that kind of a leader that gives you eggs....he is more like dr cox
btw i think it┬┤s not mc fluffenstein but MC fluffenstein (master of ceremony xD)

bobbysingh99
07-16-2007, 04:11 PM
wait, do peaple actually think that altair is anywhere near as nimble as the prince really?

if the prince was the main character in assassins creed, he wouldnt climb up walls, he would run up them!

the whole point of Altair is a more humanlike person, hes meant to be realistic and as such it would be an impossible task for him to come close to killing the prince who has so many abilitys because of the fantasy of the prince of persia games

if however the prince was a target, and had no clue altair was coming for him, i dont think the prince would stand a chance, but lets be honest who would, youde be stabbed before you relise that you regognise that face in the crowd!

so yeah 1 on 1 fight altair would be pwned, but if its a assasination mission he would kill prince - a lot like what i reckon perhaps a few of the actual assinations in assassins creed will be like - if you mess up the stealth youll end up getting your *** kicked

phoenix-force411
10-04-2011, 01:56 AM
The Prince cheats death too much! Altair would win! He's trained in the art of stealth and open conflict! I stood up against more than 20 men and still won! Prince needs magical stuff to be awesome, Altair himself is awesome!

persiateddy95
10-04-2011, 02:27 AM
Why would you revive a thread so old when Scythe used to be just one more random member and fail grammar?

LightRey
10-04-2011, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
Why would you revive a thread so old when Scythe used to be just one more random member and fail grammar?
"used to be"? Does that mean he left?

persiateddy95
10-04-2011, 02:37 AM
No, he's still here. But just look at his recent posts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LightRey
10-04-2011, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
No, he's still here. But just look at his recent posts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Ah, yes. I see what you mean. Funny how random members can eventually become sort of the "seniors" of a forum with over 8000 posts.

persiateddy95
10-04-2011, 03:15 AM
Like me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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