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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:26 PM
divx
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Movies/Stranger1.avi

this was my first attempt at a fb movie, problems with adobe kept me from adding all the sounds i wanted, and the credits

Credits
il2-Forgotten Battles
recording: Fraps
editing: VirtualDub, adobe
skins: Hammster
Music: Stranger in Moscow - Micheal Jackson
help: SB1-Ripper
host: Oberst Wiley
by: sb4-Davinci

i am still looking for someone else to host it, to minimize the bandwidth hit to the 431 demo squad site.

feel free to offer comments.




Message Edited on 08/21/0303:43PM by Davinci..

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:26 PM
divx
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Movies/Stranger1.avi

this was my first attempt at a fb movie, problems with adobe kept me from adding all the sounds i wanted, and the credits

Credits
il2-Forgotten Battles
recording: Fraps
editing: VirtualDub, adobe
skins: Hammster
Music: Stranger in Moscow - Micheal Jackson
help: SB1-Ripper
host: Oberst Wiley
by: sb4-Davinci

i am still looking for someone else to host it, to minimize the bandwidth hit to the 431 demo squad site.

feel free to offer comments.




Message Edited on 08/21/0303:43PM by Davinci..

michapma
08-13-2003, 04:45 PM
Hi Davinci,

This is at least the third thread you've started on the same movie... makes it hard to keep track.


I am downloading the movie quite quickly, and will make a mirror for it. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

Mike

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

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69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

michapma
08-13-2003, 04:53 PM
!!!!!!!!

Absolutely worth the trouble and effort! Another large film, but such high quality work. Amazing.

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Movies/Stranger1.avi


Will comment more, have to run now.

Cool,
Mike

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

‚ =69.GIAP=Chap‚

69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:36 PM
Salute Davinci

Well Davinci I will give a A plus for all problems, /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif trouble you went thru.....and thanks to some folks that help you finally get a link to the video!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

It was worth the wait!! Thought you did a great job on the clip. Hats off to you. Great job again. Look forward to the next one.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:44 PM
This is definitely one of the Very BEST movies yet created!!! Extremely smooth in panning; great selection of view 'modes', fly-by, externals, etc... Excellent "scenes"...


With all the VERY low altitude action, right down on the deck, it would have been even better with the new FB Patch's dust/dirt being kicked up(That's a Neat new effect in the patch!).

I would like to showcase it on My site. I am sending you a Private Message thru this forum (Upper Right of the forum page if you've not used before) to discuss the details of my hosting. Please visit my site(link in SigBlock Below) and follow the links to the movies already viewable to see how I present them embedded for streaming, and in a consistent size.

Thanks.


Again, Great job on this video..it's a definite potential award winner if there's ever another competition.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:30 PM
Davinci, that is an outstanding film! You have a superb eye for cinematography, and it definitely shows! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Well done! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

But I must know - what did you use to capture the video, and how did you do the editing?

I've made a few movies myself, but don't have a way to get them on the net, but I'm always looking for new ways to do things.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:13 PM
Very nice movie. I enjoyed the slower pace and views that you used in this work. Thank you for making it hi res to so off all of the FB beauty. Look forward to more movies from you. S!

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:45 PM
Downloading the AVI now Davinci, looking forward to watching it.

OberstWiley : I just had a look at your site, I don't know why I hadn't before, great stuff. Very impressive collection you have there. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 11:08 PM
BPond wrote:
- Davinci, that is an outstanding film! You have a
- superb eye for cinematography, and it definitely
- shows!

thank you kindly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


- But I must know - what did you use to capture the
- video, and how did you do the editing?

i used fraps, 1.9d to be exact.
originally, i had problems recording, everything i recorded at 640x480 and 24+fps came out almost double speed and choppy when played back.
found out it was because my 5400rpm hard drive just couldnt write that raw caputre data fast enough.

solution was to record at 15fps(5400 was good enough for 15fps), and run the game at half speed when recording. then play it back at double speed. A wierd side effect to this, was incredibly smooth video http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

all editing was done with VirtualDub. although the "fade" between the first few scenes was done with adobe premiere. Everything else was simple virtual dub work.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 11:52 PM
Wow! That's a pretty ingenious solution, Davinci!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I have a 7200 rpm drive, but still experience some stuttering. I'll definitely try that.

Virtual Dub is a great tool.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:16 AM
The movie doesn't seem to play correctly on my system.

Am I missing some codec, or something? All I get is one scene, with music playing...


Zip

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:19 AM
Harry14843 wrote:
- The movie doesn't seem to play correctly on my
- system.
-
- Am I missing some codec, or something? All I get is
- one scene, with music playing...

uh oh, not again!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

you will need the latest divx codec
http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX505Bundle.exe

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:22 AM
DivX 5.05 is the latest version.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 02:48 AM
Davinci,

Thank you for the help.

The movie plays properly now, and it is very good. I think I'll burn this movie and a couple of others I have onto a CD, and bring them in to work. It will be a good way to show others how good a game IL2:FB is.


Thanks again,

Zip

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:08 AM
Really nice Davinci! Really nice! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:04 AM
With all the hype I'm looking forward to seeing it!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 06:15 AM
Great visuals! Breathtaking shots and use of lighting and space. This video is a a breakthrough.

One thing, I just can't feel the movie with Michael Jackson on it, his song is not bad, it's just that for me it doesn't fit with the action you are showing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif , still a great movie. Contact me if you wish some pointers into soundtracks, I will help you with that.

Continue the superb work!





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michapma
08-14-2003, 09:40 AM
I'd like to offer my impression of the film, beyond just that it's well worth the download. With the intro and its views I got a feeling of the natural peace and beauty of the earth, and started to wonder if the purpose of the film is to show off the FB scenery. So beautifully timed with the introduction of vocals, the scene is rudely interrupted by machines screaming violence low across that landscape. It reminds me a bit of the Star Wars cinematography, which is a compliment. As has been mentioned, the cuts, angles and timing of scenes is so well put together that it is practically a breakthrough; this kind of editing takes imagination. The tragic but exciting scenes that follow flow to tell the story of men killing one another in their machines. The fighting is really well done, and it is seldom that we as pilots can sit back in perspective and take in the visuals of these fights&mdash;usually we are so intent on our task that we see nothing beyond our objective.

I have to say that the scenes and music play very well together. However, I have to agree that that this style of music is after all not very fitting to the scenes. It is almost perfect for the beginning, but it might be better to fade it out and pick up a new musical theme as the fight goes on. I just can't associate the visuals and era with what someone described as "easy listening."

On a technical note, I have played with Fraps before, but on a slower computer and an older version than 1.9. Then I played back at 1/4 speed, but still got stutter despite a 7200rpm drive. I probably was setting the frame capture rate too high. Now I have a faster computer, so I hope if I do my own film effort I'll be able to get it as smooth as you do. Is you machine fast? The smoothness of the playback really was amazing. I will also look into VirtualDub, is it freeware?

Very well done, thanks for sharing your work!

Cheers,
Mike

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

‚ =69.GIAP=Chap‚

69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 10:12 AM
Well....wow, great job. can i make a few suggestions. first of all, let me start by saying, this is the best fb movie i have seen yet. i cant dig on the MJ though. it would be cool if you would sometimes cut in the sound fx here and there. ya know, like bring the sound of cannon fire and engine sound in the more intense parts. maybe splice in some acual radio chatter maybe something with a frantic pilot on the radio as he gets shot down. then fade back out to just music. i think it might add to the sence of an intense dogfight in progress. well anyhow, GREAT job man. i really enjoyed that.

"diplomacy is saying 'good doggie' until you can find a really BIG rock."

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 02:55 PM
have to say that the scenes and music play very
- well together. However, I have to agree that that
- this style of music is after all not very fitting to
- the scenes. It is almost perfect for the beginning,
- but it might be better to fade it out and pick up a
- new musical theme as the fight goes on.

i oringinally planned to use classical pieces, but i just couldnt get one that fit so perfectly with the start of the video. You would probably have to be a jackson fan, but the musics somber tone, kinda felt right(to me) with the foggy/dingy look of the ground battles.
The more i listend to it, the more it seemed to work.
opening lines like "i was wondering in the rain", and "swift and sudden fall from grace" just after the tranquility was shatterd.

- On a technical note, I have played with Fraps
- before, but on a slower computer and an older
- version than 1.9. Then I played back at 1/4 speed,
- but still got stutter despite a 7200rpm drive. I
- probably was setting the frame capture rate too
- high. Now I have a faster computer, so I hope if I
- do my own film effort I'll be able to get it as
- smooth as you do. Is you machine fast? The
- smoothness of the playback really was amazing. I
- will also look into VirtualDub, is it freeware?

this is a funny thing, i had tried to make fb videos before, but i just couldnt get by this "limitiation" of choppy off speed vids.
my comp is a 1.2ghz athlon, with 256mgs ram,radeon 9000, and a 5400rpm 40gig drive. I figured that was the reason i couldnt get nice video out and never would.

fraps website mentioned needing a 7200rpm, hard drive to record at 640x480, but i figured you can get around this by setting the fraps capture rate to 15fps, and running the game at 1/2 speed when you record. Just change the frame rate in virtualdub to 30, and you get incredibly smooth 30fps video at normal speed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif even on a crappy system such as mine.

- will also look into VirtualDub, is it freeware?
yeah totally free, really easy to use. It cant do any fancy things but for simple editing, its perfect.
http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/virtualdub/VirtualDub-1.5.4.zip



Message Edited on 08/14/0302:01PM by Davinci..

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:00 PM
it would be cool if you would
- sometimes cut in the sound fx here and there. ya
- know, like bring the sound of cannon fire and engine
- sound in the more intense parts. maybe splice in
- some acual radio chatter maybe something with a
- frantic pilot on the radio as he gets shot down.
- then fade back out to just music. i think it might
- add to the sence of an intense dogfight in progress.
- well anyhow, GREAT job man. i really enjoyed
- that.

lol funny you should mention that, that is exactly what i wanted to do. i posted on it on simhq, that i was going to use the actual voices from the game all through out the video, but i couldnt get adobe preimere to do it right, it kept canceling out the background sound. or just caused playback errors all together, so i had to cancel all the sound effects.

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 05:35 PM
DavinciYour movie is now showcased on my Site...follow the link in my sigblock below to the Entry page of my Site, then on the Homepage, the Flashing Arrow points to your movie as "New FB Movie(14 August)"

<center>Wiley</center><center><font color="#FF0000";font size="3pt">Click HERE to visit Wiley'sWWIIGunCameraWorld (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Frameset/)</center>
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<center><font size ="2pt">Click Flag-Raising for the Full-Size(4.2Mb) Version</center>

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 06:09 PM
i cant seem to get the streaming version to work.?
donno what is wrong, i can see all your other streamed ones.

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 06:25 PM
Wow!! very nice /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 07:05 PM
I have trouble playing it. The movie (not the music) freezes after exactly 10 seconds. Any solution?. Downloads without any trouble within a few minutes (broadband).

The first 10 seconds looks great - need the rest.

Petter

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 07:16 PM
pettera wrote:
- I have trouble playing it. The movie (not the music)
- freezes after exactly 10 seconds. Any solution?.
- Downloads without any trouble within a few minutes
- (broadband).
-
- The first 10 seconds looks great - need the rest.
-
- Petter
-
-


that sounds like you dont have the latest divx codec.
available here
http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX505Bundle.exe

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 07:34 PM
Needless to say, a fairly fast broadband connection is required for these large files.

The very Large Mb files/movies will sometimes for some people "Hang-up", pause, which I conclude is due to buffering. For embedded movies, I cannot show the controls across the bottom because it messes up the HeightxWidth proportions of the movies...Imagine the scrolling buffer(% completion) across the bottom that you see when you see streaming movies in Windows Media Player.

When a movie on my site does that, hangs up, usually you can just wait about 30 seconds or so, then right click on movie to access controls. You can then select "Play" to resume movie OR for most movies you can hit Stop, then Play, and the movie should start at the beginning and play uninterrupted through completion. Again, this seems to happen almost exclusively with only with the Very large files/movies...or to people with slow internet connection.

Or, of course, you can just use the "Download" option offered on the page. (currently the ZIPped version is not available, but you can Stream or Download the *.AVI file,when you get to it, by left clciking or right clicking, as appropriate.)

Here is a direct Download link, for any who read this thread and want to see the movie:

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Movies/Stranger1.avi

AS you probably know, Left click on the URL link and the your Windows Media Player will open and stream the movie down to view. Right click on the URL, then select "Save Target As..." and you can simply download the AVI file to your harddrive,without opening Media Player, for later viewing.

Hope this helps a little.

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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 08:02 PM
Piece of art. Is there more from where it is coming? Anyway, keep on making those movies.

Petter

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 08:58 PM
thats amazing the music anit the best for the scens but i dont care its a great film were can i find more fb films?

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 09:48 PM
From Wileys Web page:

1st place winner:

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Frameset/../Movies/JG54_705k.wmv

2nd place winner:

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Frameset/../Movies/Smolensk-1941.wmv

3rd place winner (this one is mine):

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/Frameset/../Movies/THX-1138.wmv

These winners were announced by Ubisoft on February 2003, from there many other IL2 movie enthusiasts added to the great collection movies!


Here is a great list put together by HAUPTMAN99 :

http://sunstarentertainment.maddsites.com/il2homepagehauptman99.html

and here you can download a big bunch of them still or even get a CD full of them on it! Get it from this great place "France-Simulations":

http://www.france-simulation.com/vid/index.htm

Let me know if this information helps.


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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 11:42 PM
you film is nice the b/w is a good touch can u give us a track list of the music u got in it

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:29 AM
You can find it at the end of the film, but here you go:

1- "Might of Rome" : Hans Zimmer

2- "Adagio for Strings" : Samuel Barber


Enjoy!




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"You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you"

Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 06:19 AM
Original poster's movie, the camera work was great. However the music made me want to puke. Sorry, but I have about .000001% tolerance for MJ stuff. So I turned the sound off and enjoyed the images. Thank God for that ability /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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michapma
08-20-2003, 09:19 AM
There seems to be a consensus about the Jackson music. I don't hate it at all, even though I find it doesn't fit very well. My biggest problem was after watching the movie several times I found that song stuck in my head for a few days. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-indifferent.gif

Cheers,
Mike

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

‚ =69.GIAP=Chap‚

69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 10:20 AM
Davinci,

Don't listen to the philistines. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I'm no paticular fan of Michael Jackson, but in this case the music fitted the action and the cinematography like a glove!

--
Joques
Ok, so you've got a Yak
That don't impress me much

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 02:03 PM
Davinci:

A old 70's sayin'...."Different strokes for different Folks" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I thought Michael Jackson's song work very well with the video clip. If you listen to the words.....it works. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Questions to Davinci:

I know you use Fraps 1.9D, and Virtual Dub. I saw at the beginning of the clip....Divx can be seen at the bottom right. Did you use Dr. Divx to finalize the video?

Also what mission/Map did you use in the video. Love the mountains and rolling hills in the start of the video. Is it possible to download it.

Keep up the good work....look forward to the next one.

Falcon

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michapma
08-20-2003, 02:55 PM
Hi Falcon,

Although Davinci could tell you where and on what specific map the scenes are from, you defnitely already have all of it, since there is no 3rd party downloadable maps or aircraft for IL-2 or FB.

Cheers,
Mike

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

‚ =69.GIAP=Chap‚

69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 03:02 PM
"- I thought Michael Jackson's song work very well with
- the video clip. If you listen to the words.....it
- works."

thanks that is why i used it, the opening music worked well with the scenic shots, and the somber tone, fit well with the dingy/foggy look

- I know you use Fraps 1.9D, and Virtual Dub. I saw at
- the beginning of the clip....Divx can be seen at the
- bottom right. Did you use Dr. Divx to finalize the
- video?

nope, it was all done in virtualdub, i used adobe to fade between the first scenes, everyting else was done with virtualdub.

- Also what mission/Map did you use in the video. Love
- the mountains and rolling hills in the start of the
- video. Is it possible to download it.

the opening sceneic shots were fillmed in a qmb on chimera from the russian side, at 7am and 8am
all battle scenes
i did 4, p47s vs fwa4s qmb's on smolensk at 8am, and took the best footage from the 4.
then 4, p47 vs bf110s on smolensk at 8:30am, and took the best shots from the 4 tracks.
only built missions were the opening combat scene, i needed to get fws to chase me by a static camera, and the landing scene, where i wanted my p47 to land "over" the camera like you see in space shuttle landings(i stole the idea from NASA) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

all very simple to do, i had actually never used the fmb before. I just planned it well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

it wasnt so much tracks i made into a video, as it was a video i made from tracks, if you get what i mean.

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:03 PM
~S!~ Chap

Although Davinci could tell you where and on what
- specific map the scenes are from, you defnitely
- already have all of it, since there is no 3rd party
- downloadable maps or aircraft for IL-2 or FB.
-
- Cheers,
- Mike

Thanks for the info Mike /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Falcon





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Message Edited on 08/20/0310:03AM by Falcon_777_AVG

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:05 PM
~S!~ Davinci

One other thing....Where do you turn off all the comms stuff that comes on the screen?? I still get the power ratio signature on the bottom right of the screen? Most others I found out how to turn off.


Thanks for all info. Keep up the good work.


Cheers

Falcon

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Message Edited on 08/20/0310:21AM by Falcon_777_AVG

XyZspineZyX
08-20-2003, 04:47 PM
Falcon_777_AVG wrote:
- ~S!~ Davinci
-
- One other thing....Where do you turn off all the
- comms stuff that comes on the screen?? I still get
- the power ratio signature on the bottom right of the
- screen? Most others I found out how to turn off.
-
-
- Thanks for all info. Keep up the good work.


its the forth setting in the track playback options

loop playback
manual time control
manual view control
*inflight messages*, turn this one off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 03:03 PM
Hi Davinci (you must change your name to Master Leonardo)

Great work, i must say that people like you and NTESLA, UCLANUPE, I16Fan and other keep me away of uploading my first movie (someday i'll probably do it), that seem a bit "simple" alongside your masterpieces.

Concerning your music choice, i agree that something more epic "could" have worked better but after all you can't say that the "Lord of the Rings" movies are crap just because some big-small-subtle changes that the director Peter Jackson made to the orignial story.

I think that this community is one of the coolest in the gaming world, but also one of the most perfectionist, i can't believe that after so much time waiting for the patch..there's still people whinning about something !

Ps: I also made my recordings with fraps at 640x480 but never achieved the landscape resolution you're showing...where is the trick Master Leonardo ???

Good flight to you !

http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/albums/userpics/Closehotencounters.jpg


"Oops...Looks that the Heating System and WEP controls are mixed !! ": Last radio message heard from polkovnik Lavotchkin. Any coincidence between this event and recent patches applied by russian mechanics to some planes are merely speculative.

Image hosting courtesy of Piranha Squadron Aviation Image Library. http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/index.php

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:41 PM
- Ps: I also made my recordings with fraps at 640x480
- but never achieved the landscape resolution you're
- showing...where is the trick Master Leonardo ???
-
- Good flight to you !

because you are only running the game in 640x480 for recording purposes, you can ramp up the ansio filtering, to 8x or 16x because your vid card is doing so much less work at 640x480 and has power to spare.

also the encoding, as a matter of fact, the verison of the video you watched is the lesser quality version.
i had originaly encoded with xvid which produces MUCH better background images then regular divx.

the difference between "xvid" and "divx" is like the difference between "8x ansio filtering" and "no ansio filtering". With xvid you get a significan increase in background image quality for a insignificant increase in file size(less then 1% on my 48meg video).

bitrate is important aswell, since i wanted to retain as much quality in my video to show off FB's landscapes, i chose a bitrate of 1200, which gave me the best quality/size ratio for that purpose.

hope that helps.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 05:24 PM
Hi Master Leonardo

You're saying that this was the low resolution version of the movie, so why didn't you share the better one (xvid) ?

I use Fraps for recording short secuences during playback of the track then encode them with virtual Dub and finish the assembly and further editing with music in Adobe Premiere...

How can you encode your movie with Xvid codec (i've downloaded several codec but virtual Dub says that these are not original versions of them so the results may not be as good and my computer will destroy, burning the whole block and i'll have to pay in hell the acts of piracy involved in downloading such codecs... so to avoid those unpleasant messages...where did you get that xvid codec ?).

You also said that you recorded your tracks using half speed, so to make a 5 minutes final movie you must have recorded at least 10 minutes of avi files (not counting the scenes you don't use), how much Hd space did you use to make your movie (i'll bet around 1 Gb...lol), did you assembled the movie on top of the music or did you added the controversial music score after making all the video editing ?

Well if you reached then end of this thread i must thanks you, your work was so inspiring that i've watched it over and over (even this morning while taking my breakfast) and i just kept asking myself...wow how did he made that, wow what a great camera view and wow and wow...

Good flight to you !

http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/albums/userpics/Closehotencounters.jpg


"Oops...Looks that the Heating System and WEP controls are mixed !! ": Last radio message heard from polkovnik Lavotchkin. Any coincidence between this event and recent patches applied by russian mechanics to some planes are merely speculative.

Image hosting courtesy of Piranha Squadron Aviation Image Library. http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/index.php

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 08:12 PM
- You're saying that this was the low resolution
- version of the movie, so why didn't you share the
- better one (xvid) ?

that was my original plan, but when i first posted the vid it was brought to my attention that some people apperently have problems with xvid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif so i re-encoded with divx to save people any trouble.

its the same resolution, just noticably less quality loss in its compressed form.

- I use Fraps for recording short secuences during
- playback of the track then encode them with virtual
- Dub and finish the assembly and further editing with
- music in Adobe Premiere...

i do it all in virtualdub.

How can you encode your movie with Xvid codec (i've
- downloaded several codec but virtual Dub says that
- these are not original versions of them so the
- results may not be as good and my computer will
- destroy, burning the whole block and i'll have to
- pay in hell the acts of piracy involved in
- downloading such codecs...

heh, pay no attention to that, and it has nothing to do with piracy, simply download the codec http://www.filemirrors.com/search.src?file=XviD_Install.exe and install it, then it will apear as one of your video compress options in virtualdub(or adobe).

- You also said that you recorded your tracks using
- half speed, so to make a 5 minutes final movie you
- must have recorded at least 10 minutes of avi files
- (not counting the scenes you don't use), how much Hd
- space did you use to make your movie (i'll bet
- around 1 Gb...lol),

way more then 1 gig http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, i tried to handle the entire video uncompressed, and it flattend my 40gig hard drive! when you save an uncompressed fraps captured video in virtualdub it gets even bigger http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I wanted to keep it uncompressed, and just compress it once when it was finished to keep quality high, but it just isnt feasable. a way around that is to compress them in xvid at the highest possible quality.
in virtual dub or adobe select xvid to compress and go into its controls and set it to "quality" and max it.
this turns a 500meg uncompressed video scene into a 75meg video scene with the same quality(no quality loss in compression).


- did you assembled the movie on
- top of the music or did you added the controversial
- music score after making all the video editing ?

did the video editing first, but with the song in mind(after i decided on it) so it fit with the opening scenic shots.

- i just kept asking
- myself...wow how did he made that, wow what a great
- camera view and wow and wow...

well thank you, and as for camera view, i recorded some scenes upwards of 10 times, from different angles until i got exactly what i wanted(after i watched the track from different views and found what i wanted). If i saw something i liked i wouldnt settle until i got it to look just right. Never said "well that is good enough" if i knew i could get it better.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 08:31 PM
Hi again Master Leonardo

I followed the link you gave me and found a lot of files with the same name (but different size...???) which one must i download ?

BTW thanks for your detailed answer...i thought i was going nuts when i made my first recording ending with 700 Mb of short video secuences...but it puzzles me when i encoded them in DivX AVI the size always whent down at least ten times.

Good flight to you !

http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/albums/userpics/Closehotencounters.jpg


"Oops...Looks that the Heating System and WEP controls are mixed !! ": Last radio message heard from polkovnik Lavotchkin. Any coincidence between this event and recent patches applied by russian mechanics to some planes are merely speculative.

Image hosting courtesy of Piranha Squadron Aviation Image Library. http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/index.php

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 08:38 PM
- I followed the link you gave me and found a lot of
- files with the same name (but different size...???)
- which one must i download ?

the larger one, sorry i didnt realize i didnt link the exact file.

here it is.
http://www.jjabba.com/kiss/XviD_Install.exe

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 09:02 PM
Thanks Master

I'll take a look as soon as i get home (i'm in front of the computer 8 hours a day and when i get home i get another 3 hours with my own monitor...dammed game...i really hate 1C:Maddox Games) hopefully all will end as soon as i get married in February...lol...

Good flight to you !

http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/albums/userpics/Closehotencounters.jpg


"Oops...Looks that the Heating System and WEP controls are mixed !! ": Last radio message heard from polkovnik Lavotchkin. Any coincidence between this event and recent patches applied by russian mechanics to some planes are merely speculative.

Image hosting courtesy of Piranha Squadron Aviation Image Library. http://www.world-data-systems.com/aerofiles/index.php

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 10:10 PM
~S!~ Davinci, or Master Leonardo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm taking lots of notes! Question...are you thinking of a upcoming sequel to Stranger1?

Enjoy

Falcon

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:42 AM
- ~S!~ Davinci, or Master Leonardo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
-
- I'm taking lots of notes! Question...are you
- thinking of a upcoming sequel to Stranger1?

rgr i started work on another, but it isnt a "sequel", its just another little video.

i REALLY want the addon patch to come, once it does i will put together a nice long 10+ min mini-movie. But i need the planes before i really go at it.

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:53 AM
Davinci,

I thought I was the only IL2 movie maker waiting for the add-on. I am also waiting for it to finalize my next movie, we will be seeing alot of them come out soon after the add-on. It would be ideal if we knew what aeroplanes and/or features would be included with this add-on since Oleg mentioned of one being free and the other not.



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"You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you"

Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)

Message Edited on 08/21/0307:55PM by NTESLA

cruelsword
08-22-2003, 01:15 AM
Wow,
thank you, Davinci. Nice one.

Regards
Cruel

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" a soul in tension that's learning to fly
condition grounded but determined to try
can't keep my eyes from the-cirkling-skies
tongue-tied & twisted just an earth-bound misfit, i "

Pink Floyd - Learning to Fly

michapma
08-22-2003, 08:54 AM
Thanks for the detailed compression hints. Might come in handy some day. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><tr valign="middle" bgcolor="#3e463b"><td height="40" colspan="3" align="center">The ongoing IL-2 User's Guide project (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/)</a></td></tr><tr bgcolor="#515e2f"><td width="40%">FB engine management:
Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

‚ =69.GIAP=Chap‚

69.GIAP (http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/giap/)</p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 01:54 AM
Davinci
Thanks for some insight on how you do this. i tried it but i found a problem with the sound [my next movie will have some in-cockpit sounds... i like the effect] when i record at 15fps while playing back at half speed the sound doesn't Doppler [it doesn't lower pitch ala Hollywood slow motion, but when i play back and double the playback speed it does Doppler and doubles it's pitch
So I guess it's back to my original method. I will record it to a digital camcorder and re import it as an avi. I'm going to do one on the German evacuation of Sevastopol in 1944, wish me luck


"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."
-- Robert E. Lee

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2003, 02:32 AM
i like the
- effect] when i record at 15fps while playing back at
- half speed the sound doesn't Doppler [it doesn't
- lower pitch ala Hollywood slow motion, but when i
- play back and double the playback speed it does
- Doppler and doubles it's pitch
- So I guess it's back to my original method. I will
- record it to a digital camcorder and re import it as
- an avi.

i had never tried it with sounds, fraps 2.0 requires xp, im on 98se so i dont get to record sounds to begin with..
only other thing i can think of to get around your problem, would be to record the video first(using half speed trick), then go back and record just the sound(normal speed), and sync them up in your editor. Smooth fps+sound http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
donno if this would be to hard, but it might be an option.