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Wartactics
09-26-2010, 09:10 AM
What do you guys think is the single best unit in the game and why?

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here, just want peoples opinions.

I'd say upgraded infantry for most factions is the best unit. They are cheap and when positions well can take out columns of tanks and hold choke points without fear.

Warforger
09-26-2010, 09:29 AM
Any Artillery gun which can sit in your base while destroying the enemies.

feelthenrj
09-26-2010, 09:41 AM
The French prototype tank with anti-air guns on it!

Ghoullio
09-26-2010, 10:20 AM
American Wileys Jeep. Very very fast, can see forever, cheap, and builds super quick.

This game is all about recon.

ChilledLJ
09-26-2010, 10:55 AM
I would have to agree with a RUSEHD video I saw on youtube and say that the US Calliope prototype is the best single unit! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Painthreshold
09-26-2010, 11:33 AM
Lancaster bomber if it gets close enough to your enemies base, or the russian artillery from the protoype bases

Axe99
09-26-2010, 03:52 PM
What Ghoullio said - although the French Prototype Recon and German Puma are also pretty sweet.

entropy68
09-26-2010, 04:22 PM
Katyusha. There's nothing more fun than raining rockets on the enemy.

Joppsta
09-27-2010, 09:15 AM
I would have to agree that the Puma is the best unit but realistically speaking there is no single best unit. I'd say the Shermans are pretty good against a guy with no AT but King Tigers reign supreme over everything with armoured recon as escort.


The Wirbelwind is probably my favourite though, since it's mobile, it's AA and it can pretty much destroy infantry and air units with ease.

GunnersMate07
09-27-2010, 09:51 AM
I would have to agree that the US jeep is the best unit in the game for its cost. Its the fastest ground recon, and cheap enough to spam so you dont have to worry about getting your recon sniped, and can effectively have the map covered.

The other best I would say is Russian heavy infantry. The upgrade is 50, but russian heavy infantry are tied with french foreign legion as the best infantry units in the game (they both do 100 infantry damage as opposed to 80 that all the other upgraded infantry do). The French heavy infantry cost 10 however, whereas the russian's still cost 5 after the upgrade, only take .5 seconds to produce so are very spammable, and the Russian barracks also only costs 10.

vincenty82
09-27-2010, 12:42 PM
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The other best I would say is Russian heavy infantry. The upgrade is 50, but russian heavy infantry are tied with french foreign legion as the best infantry units in the game (they both do 100 infantry damage as opposed to 80 that all the other upgraded infantry do). The French heavy infantry cost 10 however, whereas the russian's still cost 5 after the upgrade, only take .5 seconds to produce so are very spammable, and the Russian barracks also only costs 10.

Absolutly cheap & wonderful unit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If handeled properly can win a match for you really quickly.

Ghoullio
09-27-2010, 01:36 PM
I like how the Russian army has such cheap infantry units. Thats really how they viewed the war too, send hordes of young men to die and when you're out of those ones, send in some more. They literally clogged the German Wermacht with the bodies of their own men.

Joppsta
09-27-2010, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
I like how the Russian army has such cheap infantry units. Thats really how they viewed the war too, send hordes of young men to die and when you're out of those ones, send in some more. They literally clogged the German Wermacht with the bodies of their own men. I think the figure was 8 million men for the russians, i may be quoting smaller numbers than the actual, it may have been 16 million. All i know is, it was a hell of a lot more than the allies/germans

cable_dawg602
09-27-2010, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Joppsta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ghoullio:
I like how the Russian army has such cheap infantry units. Thats really how they viewed the war too, send hordes of young men to die and when you're out of those ones, send in some more. They literally clogged the German Wermacht with the bodies of their own men. I think the figure was 8 million men for the russians, i may be quoting smaller numbers than the actual, it may have been 16 million. All i know is, it was a hell of a lot more than the allies/germans </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like how they are so powerful but isn't this the same Russians who didn't have enough rifles for every soldier? They had a system that every second troop got a rifle while the other carried the ammo. And when the guy with the rifle died the guy with the ammo picked up the rifle? I dunno about strong but they should be more resilient being that there would be more larger groups to kill for that fact. but then again you can already spam them so for the sake of balance I like the way it is. ( i guess this would justify the cost)

Axe99
09-27-2010, 09:29 PM
Hey Cable, the Russian standard infantry were woefully under-equipped (and the Russian standard infantry in RUSE are amongst the weakest in the game), but Russian Guards units were a whole 'nother thing entirely.

Ghoullio
09-27-2010, 09:57 PM
The battle of Stalingrad was like that, as were other urban assaults. I'm sure there were many examples of under equipped troops. When the USSR wanted to, though, they could field some elite units. They had veterans that had been fighting for twenty years before they became involved in WWII. As Germany threw it's elite forces away in the Russian snows, Russia kept the majority of the better troops beyond the range of the enemy. Russia would let entire cities burn before they would let the Germans occupy an urban area. It was basically the same strategy that the Russians used against Napolean a hundred years before.

Ghoullio
09-27-2010, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Joppsta:
]I think the figure was 8 million men for the russians, i may be quoting smaller numbers than the actual, it may have been 16 million. All i know is, it was a hell of a lot more than the allies/germans

The USSR lost a total of 13% of its total population in the war. Considering the size of the country, that's an astounding number of deaths. Of all military casualties suffered in WWII, the USSR accounts for 65% of those. I cannot even comprehend such death on a massive scale.

Joppsta
09-28-2010, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joppsta:
]I think the figure was 8 million men for the russians, i may be quoting smaller numbers than the actual, it may have been 16 million. All i know is, it was a hell of a lot more than the allies/germans

The USSR lost a total of 13% of its total population in the war. Considering the size of the country, that's an astounding number of deaths. Of all military casualties suffered in WWII, the USSR accounts for 65% of those. I cannot even comprehend such death on a massive scale. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I knew it was something ridiculous like that... it sort of shows how communism values life though. Although to be fair on communism... most people that employ it have dictatorships at the top too. Not really going to have a good time with a dictator, democracy or not.. really.

Ghoullio
09-28-2010, 11:38 AM
Sorry to hijack this threat any further.

I don't think that communist or fascist or democratic would have made a difference to Russia. This was in direct defense of Mother Russia, something that struck at the heart of every citizen in the largest populated area of land mass in the world. The hate between the commies and the fascists cannot be undervalued, but Russia was always willing to shed it's blood for its homeland. Also, a large loss of its population came from Uncle Joes decimation of its military and civilian government positions after Lenins death. Stalin was a freakin mad man and in all seriousness, puts him high in the running for the 20th Century's most murderous leaders. What Hitler was able to to often by accident and delusion, Stalin was able to do with a special vigor and dedicated professionalism.

Axe99
09-28-2010, 03:33 PM
Aye - but don't forget the poor 'ole Chinese - in terms of Civilian losses in the Second World War, the USSR lost around 7.7 million civilians, behind China's estimated 20 million (and not too far ahead of Poland, with 6 million). That said, the USSR had an estimated 13.6 million killed/missing from their armed forces, far and above anyone else (next highest was Germany, with 3.5 million, then Japan with 2.6 million, then China with 1.5 million).

The scale of those losses is pretty hard to comprehend, and tragic beyond words.

vincenty82
09-29-2010, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
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and not too far ahead of Poland, with 6 million
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The scale of those losses is pretty hard to comprehend, and tragic beyond words.

Big chunk of it was civilian and jewish.
Concentration camps.
During Warsaw uprising Germans were protecting their tanks and troops with living shields. Polish women and children were put in front of moving colums to prevent ambushes.
In the mean time USSR was w8ing for over 40 days near Warsaw. They were supose to help the uprising but instead Stalin let polish and Germans fight each other alone. Unocupied city is easier to take.

Axe99
09-29-2010, 03:30 PM
Aye, those were civilian loss numbers - but that only makes it more tragic from my angle. At least soldiers have half a chance to fight back - civvies killed in war are pretty powerless.

Deton_van_Zan
10-04-2010, 04:08 AM
best units in game marines lol . if they were in germany. The war would have ended faster lol

InfiniteStates
10-04-2010, 04:44 AM
LOL the war would have been shorter if any nations troops had been in Germany. It was, after all, what everyone was trying to achieve and the Germans were trying to prevent (while grabbing more land)...

Ghoullio
10-04-2010, 07:24 PM
Gen. George S Patton wanted to rally the remaining Nazis and march onward to Moscow to deal with the Commies. How much better off would the 21st century have been had we dealt with the Soviets at an earlier date?

I'm also changing my favorite unit in the game. Currently, it is the US M19 AA mobile gun. That thing is furious combined with armor and infantry in a city...

Axe99
10-04-2010, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Gen. George S Patton wanted to rally the remaining Nazis and march onward to Moscow to deal with the Commies. How much better off would the 21st century have been had we dealt with the Soviets at an earlier date?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif All Patton would have done would be to turn an anti-Soviet crusade into a fight against the Russian people, and would have result in millions more dead than perished in the cold war. Not to mention the fact that public opinion in the US was pretty war-weary by 1945 already, the Government was struggling to raise funds to support the war effort, and the other allied nations were pretty keen to wrap things up as well.

As for how 'bad' the Soviets made the 21st century, they're hardly the only nation to have done things in their national interest that have caused harm to thousands if not millions of others. The US and UK are hardly blame-free in this area as well. I'm not suggesting this would be the case at all, but someone using your train of thought from the Soviet side would be able to make an equally compelling case that the second half of the century would have been better off if the Soviets didn't stop at the Elbe.

Totally agree that the M-19 is a beast - not quite as strong as the Whirbelwind or Skink, but the cheapest of the three, from a much cheaper base, and with enough armour not to be shredded by arty - the US are currently my fave faction largely on the strength of the M-19.

Brenbed
10-07-2010, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joppsta:
]I think the figure was 8 million men for the russians, i may be quoting smaller numbers than the actual, it may have been 16 million. All i know is, it was a hell of a lot more than the allies/germans

The USSR lost a total of 13% of its total population in the war. Considering the size of the country, that's an astounding number of deaths. Of all military casualties suffered in WWII, the USSR accounts for 65% of those. I cannot even comprehend such death on a massive scale. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Russia has always been crappy and sloppy when it come to war. Their answer to everything is bigger tanks, bigger guns and bigger everything...they have always had some great weapons but have always lacked the brains to use them. Sure they have always had a large military force and lots of man power but they have nothing more..lol..

Afghan war = 10,000 deaths (even though some figures estimate 20,000)

Chechnya = 20,000 (some say more) between two wars since 1994

If you think about the Russian population vs the U.S. population and the number of deaths in Iraq vs Chechnya...The number of military death is 5 times more in Chechnya per year than Iraq....

Those numbers alone boggle my mind sometimes...WWII is one thing, but to have that many deaths in this Modern age really shows how crappy Russia is when it comes to war...and the funny thing is...they are usually the country that is quickest to wage war..lol...

Deton_van_Zan
10-09-2010, 10:20 PM
unlike us, well USA , we got the golden hour, we will spend millions to get a GI on a helo and risk more lives in a middle of a hot zone . and extract him then bring him to a M.A.S.H and if they dont got it there is on his way to germany or back to the states . its really how much can u spend on your wounded. and as you can see russia dont care. so it all comes down to which goverment really listen speak and do for the people. dont forget USSR fell in 1989 . so i say in the next 50 or so on years. russia will start actin like america. treating like how we do it american blood is worth more then anyone else. LOL its sad but i rather be in a nation that will send 9 navy seal to get me outta a war zone. big example, movies like tears of the sun . so in america as a soldier you are worth more dead then alive .

airborneguy
10-10-2010, 01:48 AM
Long Toms baby, post that on total f****** awesomeness.com/we rule, lol

Dez1990
10-10-2010, 01:51 AM
I like using the french FCM's i like the fact its a super tank and it has a anti air gun as well. And when there in numbers they dominate the game. There lacks are speed though.

MendedFlesh
10-10-2010, 06:35 PM
The Tiger 2 or the Maus I like the best

Warforger
10-10-2010, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Brenbed:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ghoullio:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joppsta:
]I think the figure was 8 million men for the russians, i may be quoting smaller numbers than the actual, it may have been 16 million. All i know is, it was a hell of a lot more than the allies/germans

The USSR lost a total of 13% of its total population in the war. Considering the size of the country, that's an astounding number of deaths. Of all military casualties suffered in WWII, the USSR accounts for 65% of those. I cannot even comprehend such death on a massive scale. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Russia has always been crappy and sloppy when it come to war. Their answer to everything is bigger tanks, bigger guns and bigger everything...they have always had some great weapons but have always lacked the brains to use them. Sure they have always had a large military force and lots of man power but they have nothing more..lol..

Afghan war = 10,000 deaths (even though some figures estimate 20,000)

Chechnya = 20,000 (some say more) between two wars since 1994

If you think about the Russian population vs the U.S. population and the number of deaths in Iraq vs Chechnya...The number of military death is 5 times more in Chechnya per year than Iraq....

Those numbers alone boggle my mind sometimes...WWII is one thing, but to have that many deaths in this Modern age really shows how crappy Russia is when it comes to war...and the funny thing is...they are usually the country that is quickest to wage war..lol... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhhh did you see the army strength? The Soviet Union's military was more the 3x the strength of the current US one, this is mostly because most of the army is Afghanni or other nationality. In Iraq same thing, the US isn't even the majority force, its the native Iraqqi government fighting.

Deton_van_Zan
10-15-2010, 08:52 PM
yo we got 12 aircraft carriers . 10 are nuclear " refuels every 20 years. otherwise every 3 months cause of food.. no nation has that kinda power to talk $hit with. i mean we can have a battle group in your shores in 24-48 hrs lol ... and each battle group got 80+ jets with bombs that make nations glass. so understand we dont need to use that much man power. 10 years later and yet no draft. we got the best everything in war in this country. lol GG no RE THE WORLD.

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 06:57 AM
I have to agree with Denton. When push comes to shove and the dogs of war are let slip, we will reduce any country in the world to a pile of rubble no taller than three feet. In a battle for survival, we will not ge defeated.

InfiniteStates
10-16-2010, 10:38 AM
Like you're doing in your current areas of operation?
You got to love the American ego...

Joppsta
10-16-2010, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
Like you're doing in your current areas of operation?
You got to love the American ego... Exactly.

Besides, if they dropped nukes everywhere they'd **** their own country too, that's the sad part Americans seem to forget... do you guys know nothing about how a nuke and it's radioactive dust spreads? What the dust does?

Way to start an ice age and kill yourselves, fools.

The only people that would survive are the most important people, only a few hundred or perhaps a couple thousand. Pretty much 99% of the global population would be killed due to your ego trip dreaming.

And are you forgetting other countries have nukes too? xD

Painthreshold
10-16-2010, 11:38 AM
Or the fact that the USA think their so awesome and powerful, they kill British civilians during rescue missions.......

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 12:34 PM
Lol. Your Anti-Americanism only serves to prove our awesomeness.

As I stated, in a WAR FOR SURVIVAL, all gloves are off, Geneva Conventions are null and void, in a direct war for pure survival, USA will win every time.

I made no mention of our current debacle, I merely state that in an all out balls to the wall battle for survival, the unbridled power of the American citizen soldier will defeat their enemy every single time.

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Painthreshold:
Or the fact that the USA think their so awesome and powerful, they kill British civilians during rescue missions.......

On purpose or for sport or is it accidental? I must have missed that article on www.dailynutjob.com (http://www.dailynutjob.com)

Painthreshold
10-16-2010, 01:01 PM
I thought everyone read thedailynutjob.com, it is the same website where the American government go their intelligence of WMD's on

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 01:43 PM
The elitist and out of touch American Govt has a distinct lack of anything even remotely resembling intelligence...

We would have overwhelmingly supported an invasion of Iraq without the dubious WMD charge.

InfiniteStates
10-16-2010, 03:13 PM
Let's not turn this thread into a patriotic rampage - everyone believes in their armed forces, especially as we are fed this propaganda our whole lives. I'm sure all of us in the UK believe the SAS is the best. And I have it on pretty good authority that the Canadian armed forces are amongst the best in the world.

But the point is, Americans patriotism toward their armed forces is equivalent to Deton's attitude towards ranked 2v2 in RUSE. You guys are a young country... Other countries have been fighting wars for a lot more time. It's not all about technology, and as history has shown you, it's not about overwhelming numbers either.

And in the kind of war proposed earlier - there would be no winners. Once nukes come out it's game over for everybody.

fattoler
10-16-2010, 05:31 PM
He's right chaps, let's get back to the matter at hand. My favourite unit in R.U.S.E would have to be the Calliope, just combine with M19s and a Jackson and you will bombard any enemy encampment back to the stone age.

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 06:14 PM
Actually, on topic, Canadian troops are some of the best in the world. Their special forces have no equal, in my opinion. I know their unit variety would have been redundant, but it would have been nice to see some Canadian forces represented in RUSE. Canada controlled two entire sectors on D-Day which, if I recall correctly, is more than the UK or any other ally.

And my favorite unit right now is still the US M-19 AA/Artillery vehicle. I gave been trying to counter enemy air units with air only, but it is next to impossible. These little bastards pack quite a punch and while they cost the same as a fighter, they can still eliminate enemy air units without having to return to base for refueling.

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 06:16 PM
It's not all about technology, and as history has shown you, it's not about overwhelming numbers either.



Not to troll, but I cant recall any conflict involving the US in which we had superior numbers...

And in a nuclear engagement, the winner is the one with the defensive missle shield http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fattoler
10-16-2010, 06:35 PM
Here's something for you Ghoullio. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSkKtQYafE)

InfiniteStates
10-16-2010, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
I gave been trying to counter enemy air units with air only, but it is next to impossible.
Yes, I just found this out the hard way. Fighters alone do not cut it. Which means Germany needs a prototype base which sucks.


Originally posted by Ghoullio:
And in a nuclear engagement, the winner is the one with the defensive missle shield http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Assuming they are delivered by missile... You have big borders that are hard to protect.

Joppsta
10-16-2010, 07:36 PM
I hate arguing with Americans over military crap because they seem to think a big budget and poorer training compared with other country's training programs.

For example, the Royal Marines have the longest training for infantrymen in the world.

And in my opinion, the SAS are the best.

At the end of the day, we're all armchair generals here. Some of us may have had hands on experience (i haven't) but all these men and women that risk their lives for their countries in wars spun by politics... they really should be doing something different. There should be no need for war in the modern age of human society.


But the SAS are still the best...

Sorry, had to.


Also, everyone should know by now that if you argue with an American 90% of them probably think that they invented everything. It's pretty sad how good the quality of your education system is.

I think you should just look at that and think to yourself a bit more about how powerful a country you are, since knowledge essentially is power in this day and age.


You can't be ******ed and have the responsibility of a big red button.

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 07:44 PM
Assuming they are delivered by missile... You have big borders that are hard to protect.

We also have a large population of rednecks with shotguns and assault rifles just itching to let loose and help with border security...As I said, when it comes to a battle for survival, we will be unrivaled.

Ghoullio
10-16-2010, 07:48 PM
There should be no need for war in the modern age of human society.


Really? Someone once said that only the dead have seen an end to war.

Someone also said that if you want peace, prepare for war. But they were probably an American so obviously too a warmongering Republican...

fattoler
10-17-2010, 02:16 AM
Please can we return to the topic?

InfiniteStates
10-17-2010, 02:55 AM
Isn't it obvious - the best unit in the game is hands down the nuclear long tom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SolarianWolf
10-17-2010, 05:16 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Actually, on topic, Canadian troops are some of the best in the world. Their special forces have no equal, in my opinion. I know their unit variety would have been redundant, but it would have been nice to see some Canadian forces represented in RUSE. Canada controlled two entire sectors on D-Day which, if I recall correctly, is more than the UK or any other ally.
QUOTE]

Finally someone said it. I was actually a little frustrated when I first realized that Canada was not included in this game. Yes the units may of been redundant, but Canada was involved in the war long before the U.S and having a couple surviving family members who served with our Armed Forces during that time kind of annoyed me.

Can't blame me for wanting to rock out the good ol maple leaf of doom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That said...Favorite unit would have to be the greyhound...quick armed recon can be a resource nightmare when used correctly

Painthreshold
10-17-2010, 08:00 AM
The Canadians fought on Juno Beach i believe...

But on topic Nuclear long tom definitely as long as you can protect it

fattoler
10-17-2010, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by SolarianWolf:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Actually, on topic, Canadian troops are some of the best in the world. Their special forces have no equal, in my opinion. I know their unit variety would have been redundant, but it would have been nice to see some Canadian forces represented in RUSE. Canada controlled two entire sectors on D-Day which, if I recall correctly, is more than the UK or any other ally.
QUOTE]

Finally someone said it. I was actually a little frustrated when I first realized that Canada was not included in this game. Yes the units may of been redundant, but Canada was involved in the war long before the U.S and having a couple surviving family members who served with our Armed Forces during that time kind of annoyed me.

Can't blame me for wanting to rock out the good ol maple leaf of doom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That said...Favorite unit would have to be the greyhound...quick armed recon can be a resource nightmare when used correctly

Sorry to burst your bubble but this was Canada's wartime flag.

http://www.tundria.com/Flags/can-old.gif

notice how the maple leaves are squeezed into the lower section of the Royal Crest. I think for the future we should just refer to the UK faction as "The Commonwealth".

EWReconcile
10-17-2010, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by fattoler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SolarianWolf:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Actually, on topic, Canadian troops are some of the best in the world. Their special forces have no equal, in my opinion. I know their unit variety would have been redundant, but it would have been nice to see some Canadian forces represented in RUSE. Canada controlled two entire sectors on D-Day which, if I recall correctly, is more than the UK or any other ally.
QUOTE]

Finally someone said it. I was actually a little frustrated when I first realized that Canada was not included in this game. Yes the units may of been redundant, but Canada was involved in the war long before the U.S and having a couple surviving family members who served with our Armed Forces during that time kind of annoyed me.

Can't blame me for wanting to rock out the good ol maple leaf of doom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That said...Favorite unit would have to be the greyhound...quick armed recon can be a resource nightmare when used correctly

Sorry to burst your bubble but this was Canada's wartime flag.

http://www.tundria.com/Flags/can-old.gif

notice how the maple leaves are squeezed into the lower section of the Royal Crest. I think for the future we should just refer to the UK faction as "The Commonwealth". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea seriously it should just be the commonwealth as its basicly all that area fighting under the flag of Britten. I was also mad that Canada wasnt in this one as i would love to rep the leaf haha. (Even if it was tiny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

fattoler
10-17-2010, 04:10 PM
I can only imagine how horrifying it must be for Canadians to live under the iron jackboot of the British Empire.

Axe99
10-17-2010, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by fattoler:
I can only imagine how horrifying it must be for Canadians to live under the iron jackboot of the British Empire.

Canada was a Dominion by the time of WW2 (well before, in fact), so they didn't have to fight - they opted in, like Australia and NZ. India, on the other hand, had its mind made up for it - 2.4 million Indians served with for the Commonwealth in WW2.

Canada could deffo support its own faction though - the Canadians made a huge contribution to the war effort, and even had some of their own kit (although they used a lot of British or British-designed kit as well). The peak size of the Canadian military in WW2 was 780,000, which is relatively small compared with the factions in RUSE (the lowest of the six RUSE factions is the UK, at 4.7 million), but they had units in all the areas that RUSE uses (ie, armour, recon, infantry, fighters, bombers, fighter-bombers, arty).

And Joppsta - you're right, the SAS are the best in the world. The Australian SAS, that is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. (JJ of course - being parochial here - I suspect most modern special forces units are pretty damn good).

fattoler
10-17-2010, 06:00 PM
Yeah, but THREE English speaking factions, two of which are nearly the same in organisation and equipment? Your better off playing good old Hearts of Iron. I don't hate Canada but when you consider ITALY made into this game Canada would have pushed it a little, besides, they probably would have sucked as hard as the UK faction so to be honest while it would be nice to have everybody who fought in WWII here, it's not really practical. I mean hey, the British Indian Army should be here too, they fought in Italy and North Africa. At least the Game mentions the regiments names in the campaigns (when you zoom out and see your allies units that is).

Ghoullio
10-17-2010, 06:56 PM
Hearts of Iron was a fantastic game. I would still play it actually if I knew where my disc was. Someone should update that game and fix all the bugs it had. I have never seen a better RTS than HoI.

fattoler
10-17-2010, 07:20 PM
You can buy HOI II & III for peanuts these days. As for the bugs, well when you consider how HUGE those games are that's not at all surprising. Also the mods are excellent. Hell the game even has an editor so that you can *ahem* 'amend' a few mistakes of history, like creating the Draka nation in Africa ready for the Eurasian War or making Ireland a part of the UK http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

weedbazooka
10-18-2010, 06:35 AM
@ everyone. how can the canadians have the best anything when they dont fight????? canadians are half french, nuff said. reality speaking, the u.s. has the greatest army ever. we go into battles with stupid rules of engagement and still kick ***. we have dumb politicians trying to criminalize soldiers for defending themselves. the way the u.s. fights wars is dumb but yet we still prevail. its like fighting mike tyson with both hands tied behind your back and still winning. vietnam, stupid rules of engagement. iraq, stupid rules of engagement. afghanistan, stupid rules of engagement. the u.s. has technology that the british has been trying to steal for over 25 years and cant even come close to duplicating it. the chinese and russian tried to steal the raptor/jsf35 and built crap planes that cant even survive test flights. we dont need to nuke a country to bomb it into oblivion. we have jdams that fit ordinance that was used in vietnam. we have predator drones that will spot u and blow u out the water. we have the largest army on earth. 350 million people live in the u.s., 500 millions guns in the u.s. oh by the way, google TAW 50 and learn something about what the u.s. has in store.....lol yall third world countries are funny. one more thing, if it was for the u.s., they would be speaking german in the u.k. and japanese everywhere else...lmao

weedbazooka
10-18-2010, 06:37 AM
best weapon on the game may be the italian artillery, its got a lot a range early in the game.

VR-Homicide2010
10-18-2010, 08:54 AM
they stole the most technology from other countries scientist but nowadays they rule the world(for only 60 years now). the empire of the USA is just started, it will fall like every empire but i dont think in our lifetime. sure they have superb technology but China is coming for them. Maybe not in war but on the economic situation China is taking over. USA starts war for economical reasons only to keep the empire alive. And USA didn't win against vietnam, they lose horrible. Afghanistan was 2 easy, an army with old weapons plus they trained the afghan army and Bin Laden. I must say im impressed with the Israeli Army. They kick ***!

feelthenrj
10-18-2010, 09:11 AM
What's up with the americans telling everyone that they're superior??

DW_Khan
10-18-2010, 09:20 AM
LOL

In debates I always trust the guy who calls himself Weedbazooka or smokedmyselfsilly. LMFAO

I'm sorry, but your name completely negated whatever argument you were trying to make. I won't even bother pointing out all the ridiculous, half truths you are spewing.

I don't have any problem with weed or people who smoke it. But, calling yourself weedbazooka and expecting to be taken seriously is not going to happen.

Italian artillery is up there with the best, I agree with that. They provide a big advantage early on. Building one heavy and shelling buildings and supply depots is a great way to get an opponent to waste their R.U.S.E. cards early and keep them from sneaking up on you.

warshark4355
10-18-2010, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Lol. Your Anti-Americanism only serves to prove our awesomeness.

As I stated, in a WAR FOR SURVIVAL, all gloves are off, Geneva Conventions are null and void, in a direct war for pure survival, USA will win every time.

I made no mention of our current debacle, I merely state that in an all out balls to the wall battle for survival, the unbridled power of the American citizen soldier will defeat their enemy every single time.

no one will win cuz we all be nuked

fattoler
10-18-2010, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
@ everyone. how can the canadians have the best anything when they dont fight????? canadians are half french, nuff said. reality speaking, the u.s. has the greatest army ever. we go into battles with stupid rules of engagement and still kick ***. we have dumb politicians trying to criminalize soldiers for defending themselves. the way the u.s. fights wars is dumb but yet we still prevail. its like fighting mike tyson with both hands tied behind your back and still winning. vietnam, stupid rules of engagement. iraq, stupid rules of engagement. afghanistan, stupid rules of engagement. the u.s. has technology that the british has been trying to steal for over 25 years and cant even come close to duplicating it. the chinese and russian tried to steal the raptor/jsf35 and built crap planes that cant even survive test flights. we dont need to nuke a country to bomb it into oblivion. we have jdams that fit ordinance that was used in vietnam. we have predator drones that will spot u and blow u out the water. we have the largest army on earth. 350 million people live in the u.s., 500 millions guns in the u.s. oh by the way, google TAW 50 and learn something about what the u.s. has in store.....lol yall third world countries are funny. one more thing, if it was for the u.s., they would be speaking german in the u.k. and japanese everywhere else...lmao

http://www.thatanimeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1216113556576.jpg

If it wasn't for the French you'd be singing God Save the Queen.

Stevolutionary
10-18-2010, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
@ everyone. how can the canadians have the best anything when they dont fight????? canadians are half french, nuff said. reality speaking, the u.s. has the greatest army ever. we go into battles with stupid rules of engagement and still kick ***. we have dumb politicians trying to criminalize soldiers for defending themselves. the way the u.s. fights wars is dumb but yet we still prevail. its like fighting mike tyson with both hands tied behind your back and still winning. vietnam, stupid rules of engagement. iraq, stupid rules of engagement. afghanistan, stupid rules of engagement. the u.s. has technology that the british has been trying to steal for over 25 years and cant even come close to duplicating it. the chinese and russian tried to steal the raptor/jsf35 and built crap planes that cant even survive test flights. we dont need to nuke a country to bomb it into oblivion. we have jdams that fit ordinance that was used in vietnam. we have predator drones that will spot u and blow u out the water. we have the largest army on earth. 350 million people live in the u.s., 500 millions guns in the u.s. oh by the way, google TAW 50 and learn something about what the u.s. has in store.....lol yall third world countries are funny. one more thing, if it was for the u.s., they would be speaking german in the u.k. and japanese everywhere else...lmao

Where to start...

First of all, Britain fought for 3 years alone, and defeated Germany in the skies and in Africa and Japan in Burma and Singapore, and Russia won the war in the East - all without US military assistance - just financial aid. The war would still have been won without you, just it would have taken longer.

Secondly, you attack the French, yet don't realise you only won your precious sideshow independence war (we were busy fighting a real war with Napoleon) due to FRENCH help. You were screwed otherwise. Regarding language, you don't speak American son, you speak ENGLISH. lmao to that if you use that as a measure of influence.

As for Britain stealing your technology, we have the best tank in the world, the Challenger. We haven't lost a single one to enemy fire EVER, and you actually licence the Chobham armour technology from us for your tanks. And we invented the tank too. And the computer you're writing this on. And the language you're writing in.

Lastly, in military terms, your soldiers are renowned for being the most undisciplined idiots going, You actually lost 55% of your deaths to FRIENDLY FIRE in Iraq. That's amazingly stupid. And you had no 'rules of engagement' in Vietnam - you were busy machine gunning women and napalming children and still lost.

Also, 350 million live in the US, but 1 Billion live in China, and another Billion in India, and both have nukes. I know who my money would be on.

tl;dr version - you're an idiot and everything you think you know is wrong and laughable.

InfiniteStates
10-18-2010, 12:12 PM
I don't really want to condone this whole debate, but do have to lol hard in agreement with the above post.

Axe99
10-18-2010, 03:52 PM
Aye, I'm with States on this one - Steve, you're a brave man getting into a debate that started with a post like Weedbazooka's. When their grasp of history is that flimsy, you've got a lot of work to do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

However, and in a brave (and slightly mad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) attempt to get the topic back on topic, I'm going to suggest that the best unit in the game is the Puma - discuss http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

InfiniteStates
10-18-2010, 04:20 PM
No, the best unit in the game is the unit of XP I get for a win http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(...or a loss)

weedbazooka
10-18-2010, 04:44 PM
the name comes from endwar. my degree in economics comes from virginia tech. the nuke debate is dumb because we have technology to shoot down missiles. china and india have 2 billion between them but they are all not armed like in the u.s. honestly, the last major war the british fought was in the islands off of south america in the 80's.(unless u wanna count northern ireland....lol) china wont be anything in the future because in about 4 years, they wont be able to feed their people. america provides their food, they provide our toys and walmart furniture. the british winning ww2 without financial aide or the u.s. military power is a joke. the island would have been a ball of fire. the technology gap between nations is so vast its pointless arguing about it. too many pacifists in europe scared to get their hands dirty. wouldnt be surprised if the half of europe becomes an islamic state within the next few years.
socialism breeds mediocracy.. capitialism breeds
power.

p.s. vietnam was lost to politics, not military force.....oh and by the way, the u.s. has its on zipcode in france, normandy i believe...lol

Ghoullio
10-18-2010, 06:06 PM
the u.s. has its on zipcode in france, normandy i believe...lol

That's the best thing I've read in weeks!

Nixon bombed the Vietnamese to the negotiation table, but was rebuked by the American Left. His carpet bombing of the Hi Chi Minh trail put a protracted guerilla war largely in our favor. In short, we lost that war because we had no heart in actually winning. We had no reason to be there, you can thank that Mick Bastard Kennedy for that one.

If we want China to go down, all we have to do is export Liberalism. China is able to do what it's doing because it can relocate several hundred thousand people to build a damn and doesn't give a rats *** for environmentalism.

Eventually it will latch on as their standard of living increases and its people become rich and find themselves with an abundance of down time.

If you can't appreciate the efforts of men like my grandfathers who gave their blood, sweat, and tears for strips of land we will never use, then you have your head firmly implanted where the sun will never reach it. Likewise, we appreciate the efforts of the French Resistance and those who refused to cater to the Nazis. Every nation in the world deserves blame for not acting sooner and credit for putting it's future generations on the chopping block when the tanks started rolling. It was a horrible, needless war and every nation on this planet deserve kudos for their bravery and their sacrifice. The English, the Americans, the French, and yes, even the Germans.

If you had a relative who fought inWWII, then you have my sincere thanks and admiration, this ****ing contest about who was better in war 65 years ago is friggen ******ed. The simple truth is that there are very few men alive today who had the stones found in your average draftee in 1936.

fattoler
10-18-2010, 06:19 PM
Good. Now to the Puma, a nice little veichle, but I prefer the Greyhound, simply because when you want a tank, use a tank, the Puma like the French FCM F1 tries to do too much and as a result the costs run up.

Ghoullio
10-18-2010, 07:39 PM
I like the Greyhound. It's handy at keeping unexpected infantry at bay until your offensive units can get a hold of them. I've been building more Greyhounds than Jeeps lately and it's paid off. However, there were some Jeeps that had anti-tank weapons on them or .50 cal machine guns. Not that they need it in this game, but I'm just sayin...

Deton_van_Zan
10-19-2010, 02:22 AM
LOL wow euro always forget that without USA, they be speakin german. another reason why germany instead of dropping paratroopers down during the fight in the channel. they drop bombs cause hilter wanted england to join sides. he didnt want to kill them cause in ww1 england wanted peace after. and the french wanted to make germany suffer. so 20 years later germany stacks france first LOL." i love my FREEDOM FRIES " lol. and in vietnam... once a war is wage and if its happenin in your land. the war is lost. cause in vietnam its like afghanistan, where we cant go to pakistan. we couldnt go to lao and all the countrys next to vietnam..we lost 55,000 GI , asia lost 4 million. and agent orange everywhere. that now the states department wants to give money to vietnam, cause generations later their babys are all f$%k up. hands down like kennedy said. " WHERE ARE THE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS " and last, if iran made a nuke. believe me the first "boots on the ground" will be americans.

Deton_van_Zan
10-19-2010, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
Like you're doing in your current areas of operation?
You got to love the American ego...

lol in iraq?? or afghanistan ?? or the 38 parrlel " if no one knows that. its the north and south koreas border. THE MOST FORTIFIED BORDER IN THE WORLD. so what you mean? last i heard in iraq all combat troops are out. after the surge. 9 years later, we wage war in afghanistan 1 month after 9-11. from 01-08 troop level was always 26,000 boots on the ground. finally where the global war on terror started " dont forget march 3 lad's in london". we finally got 90,000 BOOTS ON THE GROUND. and we going to end something what the taliban cant finish. where is euro in all of this. there are more contractor then allies .. WTF HAPPEN TO NATO. since ww2 u guys still hadnt done much. TO UNITE THE WORLD. lol in the 38th we got 20,000+ there ready to defend another nation in nato. just like after all the times you guys keep talkin $hit, no matter what, when it comes to it. we still got your back. ever nations 911 is america.

InfiniteStates
10-19-2010, 04:29 AM
And what, exactly, have you achieved in Iraq? Besides a lot of friendly fire incidents and accusations of rape of local women.

Putting "boots on the ground" is a question of logistics, money and having nothing better to do, which most nations can achieve if need be. Maybe if you spent more time looking after your economy instead, the markets would be in a better state.

Deton_van_Zan
10-19-2010, 05:11 AM
hopefully make them like another japan. countrys benefit when you side with usa, south korea another one and the list dont stop

DW_Khan
10-19-2010, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Deton_van_Zan:
... lol in the 38th we got 20,000+ there ready to defend another nation in nato...

Do you even know what NATO is?!
Korea is certainly NOT part of the NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization.

Ghoullio
10-19-2010, 08:43 AM
NATO and The Republic of Korea have been cooperating since 2005, that I know of. NATO has also been playing a large role in Afghanistan, which is also most definitely not a part of Europe.

DW_Khan
10-19-2010, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
NATO and The Republic of Korea have been cooperating since 2005, that I know of. NATO has also been playing a large role in Afghanistan, which is also most definitely not a part of Europe.

...and?
nothing you are saying contradicts what I stated originally...
Korea is not a member nation of NATO, which was my disagreement. ("defend another nation in nato"-Zan)
nor did I imply that NATO could not operate outside of Europe?
all member nations of NATO are on continents that border the North Atlantic ocean.

Painthreshold
10-19-2010, 10:40 AM
There is some real republican propaganda ******s on here, isn't there. Its as if no one actually knows what their talking about before they contribute to a discussion.

Everyone needed each other in WW2 as it was in WW1, if anyone won the war it was the Russians. Hitler pulled back troops from both the Italian front and France to support his troops fighting what he saw as the "TRUE ENEMY".

If it was not for the Russians, Hitler's and the Germans army moral would not have been so badly damaged, if it was not for the Russian advance we would not have progressed through Italy as relatively fast as we did, nor we would so easily been able to secure a foothold in central Europe.

However i am a proud Englishmen and i do defend the fact we didn't need the Americans to fight the war but we needed the USA to win the war. Hitler would never be able to secure a foothold in Britain after the Battle for Britain as Air superiority was imperative in Hitler's and his generals strategy to win.

We all played our part to stop one another from dying more heavily than we did, this is why there are organisations such as NATO and the UN trying to secure more peaceful methods of achieving peace. This is what the League of Nations failed to do after the first world war as the imperialistic dreams of the countries involved were still strong.

However i do dispute America's traditional view that 5 men with pitch forks were able to defeat the whole British Army in America, not only did the French cut off supplies and reinforcements but the troops in America were little more than a policing and defence force.

In all honesty the American colonies were a drain on Britain's economy such was the reason to raise taxes which led to the conflict, after the war we traded with the new "FREE" American people and in fact accumulated more wealth in doing this.

People need to remember that the British had the largest empire the world had ever seen...... And no other country has the will and determination in the common setting to do the same or even better Britain's imperialism.

fattoler
10-19-2010, 12:51 PM
I feel that it would be wise for the moderator to lock this thread. As for the ORIGINAL topic the best usits we came up with are:

The Pershing (duh)
The Puma
The FMC
The M19
The GMC
and of course the NUCLEAR LONG TOM!

Axe99
10-19-2010, 03:10 PM
I'll throw the EBR in there as well Fattoler - it's cheaper than the Coventry, and if the frogs are building a prototype base anyways, it's got a better gun and same armour as the SAU-40 - in fact, it is in effect an advanced medium tank for $25 a pop with the speed of recon, that can hide in forests. Not too shabby!

I second the locking of this thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I don't think the conversations on broader politics or who won WW2 or various wars is likely to end well.

fattoler
10-19-2010, 05:12 PM
Ah yes the EBR, a pretty damn good weapon, if you can build up a small force and use radio silence carefully you can pretty much ambush their base (depending on the map).

lostnite66
10-19-2010, 09:37 PM
I think the Italian advance heavy tank, the Carro P26, is downright nasty to go against when a huge group is rolling into your base. It's a very well rounded tank. I had what I thought was a formidable group of Panther tanks, and I couldn't believe of quicky the Carro P26s wiped them out. Part of that was economics; The Panther is 35$, and the P26 is 25$. So there were considerably more P26s going against my Panthers. I don't know of a better tank for the money.

Brenbed
10-19-2010, 09:56 PM
The Breda 90/53 from Italy's prototype base is a monster. It is a mobile version of the Flak 88 and AA 90.

It can smash tanks and knock aircraft out of the air because it is a Dual purpose gun...And unlike the Flak 88 and AA 90 it doesn't come wit a 40 dollar price tag.

It is some serious firepower for a cheap price...just be ready to pay 120 dollars for a prototype base.

lostnite66
10-19-2010, 10:06 PM
The armored mobile AA M15 Contraereo is also awesome for escorting a tank rush of Carro P26s to defend against dive bombers, as I painfully found out. They only have 15mm armor, but attacking they have an AA rating of 5, to go along with 4 inf, 4 buildings, and 1 armored vehicle. 25$ seems like a reasonable price.

InfiniteStates
10-20-2010, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Brenbed:
The Breda 90/53 from Italy's prototype base is a monster. It is a mobile version of the Flak 88 and AA 90.

It can smash tanks and knock aircraft out of the air because it is a Dual purpose gun...And unlike the Flak 88 and AA 90 it doesn't come wit a 40 dollar price tag.

It is some serious firepower for a cheap price...just be ready to pay 120 dollars for a prototype base.
Yep - I played a guy yesterday several times that played as Italy (an liked to turtle lol), but he spammed these... They're nasty little spikes to put round the map. They will smash armoured recon in one hit and force air recon to retreat in one hit. Coupled with the fact that their range is just short of the visual range of recon units you have to approach with caution.

They're tough too. It takes 4 German prototype artillery a surprising amount of time to destroy even one. They don't fair too well against a couple of upgraded assault guns though.

If you play Italy, check these bad boys out...they're very effective for the money.

Deton_van_Zan
10-20-2010, 02:20 AM
In addition to its formal partnerships1, NATO cooperates with a range of countries that are not part of these structures. Often referred to as “other partners across the globe” or “Contact Countries”, they typically share similar strategic concerns and key Alliance values. Australia, Japan, the Republic of Korea and New Zealand are all examples in case. so cause they not NATO, BUT in the UN, its really the same $hit. bottom line we risk american blood and money to save people that dont show love to us after what we do for them.. thats my beef with america, we should stop savin the world and let the world kill each other and then we take over the world after. lol

InfiniteStates
10-20-2010, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by Deton_van_Zan:
bottom line we risk american blood and money to save people that dont show love to us after what we do for them..
You're not the only country doing that, and it's not for love that it's done. It's to protect interests (oil, in the case of the Middle East). I don't see many countries rushing to help Africa, so they just get on killing each other because they have nothing we want.

Painthreshold
10-20-2010, 07:14 AM
Deton we have finished that discussion so it would good if you couldn't get people back on it.

I really like the Italian mobile AA/AT gun too. The Italians can really fudge up your plans with these bad boys.

Against Britain i have found recently the Italians are an amazing faction

ChilledLJ
10-20-2010, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Painthreshold:
Deton we have finished that discussion so it would good if you couldn't get people back on it.

I really like the Italian mobile AA/AT gun too. The Italians can really fudge up your plans with these bad boys.

Against Britain i have found recently the Italians are an amazing faction I think everyone is an amazing faction against Britain http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Stevolutionary
10-20-2010, 11:01 AM
Not to reignite the nationalism argument, but I have tot ake issue with the 'technology gap' argument.

The US is in no way a world leader in technology. What the US does is, as the world's biggest economy, provide the market, funding and commercialisation opportunities for scientists from other countries. They invent - you profit off it.

Look at the modern world - Britain invented the TV (John Logie Baird), Computers (Charles Babbage/Alan Turing), Telephones (Alexander Graham Bell), Railways (George Stephenson), Light Bulb (Humphry Davy), DNA (Watson and Crick), Electric Generator (Michael Faraday), World Wide Web (Tim Berners-Lee)... I could go on, not to mention the greatest scientist in history, Isaac Newton, who discovered not only the theory of gravity, but most of modern physics, and arguably the greatest living scientist, Stephen Hawking.

America reached the moon first, sure, but who was responsible? Wehner Von Braun, a German. You detonated the first nuke, sure, but who was responsible? A team of Europeans escaping the war - Fermi, Szilard, Bohr, etc. Einstein was also German.

But when your schools are seriously debating teaching creationism in science class, you can kind of see why.

BTW, i'm not an American hater or anything, just an idiot hater. There's plenty to atatck Britain for - technology is not one of them.

Stevolutionary
10-20-2010, 11:05 AM
Back to the best unit, although i've never used it, my 2v2 partner makes great use of the Puma, and i've seen them take medium tanks out while in cover with ease.

Makes me fear what the EBR could do in the right hands...

fattoler
10-20-2010, 11:09 AM
The T-34 is a pretty damn nifty unit, it's cheap and powerful and just like in real life you can spam it early on in the game.

weedbazooka
10-20-2010, 01:24 PM
the british probably invented toothpaste too, but like so many of the inventions u mentioned, they dont put it to good use. but i guess in a country that strives for and accepts mediocracy as a way of life, thats what u can expect. try starting your own business in the uk, see how far u get lol. i luv fish and chips. i love grey goose vodka(france). but i love my own personal wealth and freedom that america provides me, the opportunity that most of the e.u. countries fail at or have no clue on how that feels. thats why there is so much hate towards the u.s. we love haters!!! the world doesnt turn to the british for much today besides for lame flopping in soccer and simon cowell programming to entertain us.

weedbazooka
10-20-2010, 01:31 PM
not the world leader in technology??? what are you smoking? not weed more like crack. look at the tech stocks. the volume the u.s. has compared to the world is crazy. look at the technology our hospitals have compared to the british. nobody is flying to london for surgery...lol you dont even have a space station....lmao... ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif im done...lmmfao!!!!!

weedbazooka
10-20-2010, 01:35 PM
hold up....lol one more. how many people in the world drive with the steering wheel on the right?......lmao!(uk, south africa, nigeria, india, and australia) forgive me if i left a third world country out...lol

DW_Khan
10-20-2010, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Stevolutionary:
Not to reignite the nationalism argument, but I have tot ake issue with the 'technology gap' argument.
Forget about 'technology gaps', lets talk about gaps in the teeth of british people. haha sorry bad stereotype joke, i couldn't help myself. EDIT: dammit, someone beat me to a teeth joke while I was ranting the rest.


Originally posted by Stevolutionary:
The US is in no way a world leader in technology. What the US does is, as the world's biggest economy, provide the market, funding and commercialisation opportunities for scientists from other countries. They invent - you profit off it.
You're making it seem like providing markets and financial incentive for scientists is not important? Financial incentive (greed) provides much of the impetus for all modern innovation.
I personally don't think it matters where anyone was born, it's where they achieved their success. Not many people remember Christopher Columbus was Genoese or treat that fact as important for anything other than background. They remember him sailing under the Spanish flag.

Watson and Crick are both American, BTW.

America claiming technological superiority based off non-americans-inventions is NO different than England one hundred years ago or any hegemony in the history of mankind. A good number of the British industrial innovations that the English were so proud of in Victorian times were Scottish.

Scots say Alexander Graham Bell is Scottish. English say he is British, Canadians say he is Canadian, and Americans claims his invention as American. hahaha

It is completely pointless to even debate things like this anymore. Innovation and scientific advancement are not endemic to any single nation in our ever interconnecting globalized world. Any real, true progress that takes place nowadays is cooperative between many nations and many people.
*sorry for the bold, but i wanted that paragraph to be the focal point.

Painthreshold
10-20-2010, 03:55 PM
Yes because someone with the name Weedbazooka has a valid opinion on technology :/ specially when he says were on crack and "laughs his *** off"

fattoler
10-20-2010, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
hold up....lol one more. how many people in the world drive with the steering wheel on the right?......lmao!(uk, south africa, nigeria, india, and australia) forgive me if i left a third world country out...lol

Well ACTUALLY everyone used to drive on the left hand side of the road. It dates back to medieval times where the convention was to ride your horse or cart on the left so that you could greet and shake hands with passing travellers and quickly draw your sword against brigands (lefties just had to lump it). Nobody knows why they drive on the Right in the Americas, although various reasons have been suggested, however in Europe the majority of countries drove on the left and even old French cars were build with right hand steering wheels. (such as this 1911 Zebre)

http://www.brusselspictures.com/wp-content/photos/Autoworld-French-cars4/Le-Zebre-1911.JPG

weedbazooka
10-20-2010, 06:30 PM
even the french realized that driving on the wrong side is ******ed. thanx for making my point with that beautiful illustration of glorious french history....lol like i said b4, the best 2 units are probably the italian prototype arty and the french protoype tank. just need to burn up a few blitz ruses to get them anywhere. armed recon is overrated i think except when attacking with a 20+ or more unit stack. fake assaults ruins your radio silence when they go through if arty is hitting it which i found out the hard way. the italian prototype tanks are cheap and produce fast but seem weaker than a king tiger?

s-a-l-t-y
10-20-2010, 06:52 PM
weedbazooka,

You said Capitalism breeds power? LMAO..really? Capitalism bred you the current economic state of your country. Have at it.

If you actually understood a thing of two you'd know the following is true. A SMART country understands that the competition grown through capitalism is only protected in the long run by a strong socialist backbone to survive the hard times (because hard times do come to everyone), something which your countrymen have systematically rejected. Big surprise that you're all in the ****ter now. Have fun as our canadian banks keep buying-out more of your over-extended lenders.

Hell someday soon it'll be apropos for me to say "I actually own your ***". :P

buh-bye pompous weedchild.......oh and that weed you're smoking......came from BC! You know where that is right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

EDIT:
As to the most over-rated (best) unit in the game? Anything from the US faction.....they are the noob-faction afterall......kind of like in REAL LIFE! :P

fattoler
10-20-2010, 06:54 PM
?_?

Really?...

Your now arguing over the side of the road people drive on?

http://www.profilebrand.com/funny-pictures/category/celebrity/639_tommy-lee-jones-serious.gif

Deton_van_Zan
10-21-2010, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
[ I don't see many countries rushing to help Africa, so they just get on killing each other because they have nothing we want.

lol africa got the most resource in the world. just to damn hard to get it out.. lol and we did try to help. horns of africa, they though that free food means they can make $$ off it. and in euro everyone gets a piece of the pie. unlike us americans we want our own pie lol

InfiniteStates
10-21-2010, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Deton_van_Zan:
...us americans we want our own pie lol
Some Americans sure do like pies.

Deton_van_Zan
10-21-2010, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deton_van_Zan:
...us americans we want our own pie lol
Some Americans sure do like pies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That all you got?? cheap throwbacks??? LOL ok so "at least we got our own pie" we got enough left over pie to feed 3rd worlds lol u guy dont even got enough for yourself. let alone talk about american pie LOL

InfiniteStates
10-21-2010, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by Deton_van_Zan:
That all you got?? cheap throwbacks??? LOL ok so "at least we got our own pie" we got enough left over pie to feed 3rd worlds lol u guy dont even got enough for yourself. let alone talk about american pie LOL
I guess I'm still recovering from the hurtful teeth jokes earlier. It's not all I have by a long shot, but it's become clear there is little point replying with anything other than shallow quips. Any more time spent on it, is good time wasted.

You may have enough pies to feed the third world, but you don't. That's not the American dream, to ease other's suffering through charity, is it?

weedbazooka
10-21-2010, 06:07 AM
omg a canadian is now in the fight...lol thats a first! canadians couldnt bust a grape in a fruit fight lets all be honest. our economic state is better than yours even though we lost 17 trillion. we lost more than canadians will ever make. socialism is failing everywhere and your glorifying it?.....lmao u big dummy. look at france, the uk, greece, spain....etc. your an idiot. half of the e.u. countries are going to lose their moody's credit rating if they dont dramatically cut spending like they are about to do in the uk. watch out for the protests!!!!!
p.s. i have 2 houses, my own business, a college degree, 25% of my portfolio is in gold that i have in my possession( i bought it when it was $875 an ounce http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) . u wish ur country provided u the opportunity that america does for me. thats the point. in canada, u have to wait to get a check up or to have surgery from a crappy hospital. u have no choices in life besides a logger or working for the govt. be lucky the canadians dont fight in wars(they only contribute a little to coalitions) because when injured soldiers come back, they would suffer from crappy healthcare!
p.s.s. my point about the wrong side of the road is that it is ******ed. thats all. so ******ed that the germans, french, italians...etc all figured how backwards the brits are at times.

weedbazooka
10-21-2010, 06:12 AM
if any plays against takumuchi, watch out! this guy is a beast with airplanes. thats all he uses with the german faction. not enough aa guns in the world to stop his onslaught!

InfiniteStates
10-21-2010, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
p.s.s. my point about the wrong side of the road is that it is ******ed. thats all. so ******ed that the germans, french, italians...etc all figured how backwards the brits are at times.
Which side of the road you drive on is a completely arbitrary decision that makes no difference whatsoever. The only thing that is ******ed is your bigotry towards people that are different to you.

I wonder if there's anything in the fact that the common theme amongst the protagonists on this forum are that they like to brag..? I bet they have small hands lol

Painthreshold
10-21-2010, 10:19 AM
It appears that all the Americans in this discussion are using insults to put forward their political and nationalistic views....

While everyone else uses facts and figures to express theirs.

I wonder who actually would accept insults and bigotry as an acceptable argument???

fattoler
10-21-2010, 10:38 AM
Excuse me but how is driving on the left '******ed' I once again return to my reasons why people drive on the left which were perhaps overshadowed by the large image of the car:

It dates back to medieval times where the convention was to ride your horse or cart on the left so that you could greet and shake hands with passing travellers and quickly draw your sword against brigands (lefties just had to lump it).

Now please tell me the logical and practical reasons for driving on the right then we'll talk turkey.

DW_Khan
10-21-2010, 01:02 PM
STOP FEEDING TROLLS!!!

The more you feed a troll, the more it comes back to eat.

Please stop trying to debate Weedbazooka. He's clearly a ***tard, get over it and ignore him. I am very disappointed in The-Monk for bringing Canada into this. Just leave it alone.

Canada is not in a great position either anyways, Ontario is close to being bankrupt like California (because our premier spends like a drunk sailor). Quebec and the Maritimes (not Newfoundland) would be bankrupt without transfer money. Our banks do kickazz though.

I take exception to the "Socialist backbone' assertion you make as well. Keynesian backbone I would agree, but socialist is a bit much. Socialist backbone makes me think about Venezuela and Chavez' spine.

After that digression and since this thread won't be locked as was earlier requested, STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS.

weedbazooka
10-21-2010, 01:06 PM
because the u.s. invented the car silly. model t fords were the most producted car early on.... thats a fact along with everything i stated. look up the definition of bigotry before u start hurling accusations. calling brits ******ed isnt bigotry. its an opinion. calling u a gay, catholic priest molesting little boyz worshipping, mongol is bigotry.

weedbazooka
10-21-2010, 01:07 PM
khan your mother is 2 fathers.

s-a-l-t-y
10-21-2010, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
omg a canadian is now in the fight...lol thats a first! canadians couldnt bust a grape in a fruit fight lets all be honest.


Here's the cake weedboy! I took the following quote from your own US ARMY OFFICIAL WEBSITE:
"JUNO BEACH was the landing area for 3rd Canadian Division. The Canadians were very concerned about their role in the invasion (as were most of the planning staff) as the memory of 2nd Canadian Division's destruction at Dieppe was still fresh. But many lessons had been learned, and the 3rd Canadian Division, in spite of heavy opposition at Courselles-sur-Mer, broke through and advanced nearly to their objective, the airfield at Carpiquet, west of Caen. The Canadians made the deepest penetration of any land forces on June 6th, again with moderate casualties."

http://www.army.mil/d-day/beaches.html

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Originally posted by weedbazooka:
our economic state is better than yours even though we lost 17 trillion. we lost more than canadians will ever make. socialism is failing everywhere and your glorifying it?.....lmao u big dummy. look at france, the uk, greece, spain....etc. your an idiot. half of the e.u. countries are going to lose their moody's credit rating if they dont dramatically cut spending like they are about to do in the uk. watch out for the protests!!!!!


Where your countrymen are still losing their jobs and shirts, our country created jobs this last year and continues to do so. Mostly because our lending institutions weren't giving ******* loans to people who had no business having loans in the first place. Facts my dear boy......FACTS!


Originally posted by weedbazooka:
p.s. i have 2 houses, my own business, a college degree, 25% of my portfolio is in gold that i have in my possession( i bought it when it was $875 an ounce http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) . u wish ur country provided u the opportunity that america does for me. thats the point.


Easy to have 2 houses when they only cost $10 dollars each! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif A few of my family members now own a few US houses......which they now RENT back to your unfortunate countrymen...



Originally posted by weedbazooka:
in canada, u have to wait to get a check up or to have surgery from a crappy hospital. u have no choices in life besides a logger or working for the govt. be lucky the canadians dont fight in wars(they only contribute a little to coalitions) because when injured soldiers come back, they would suffer from crappy healthcare!

I have had excellent healthcare here. I was involved in a very serious MVA (a drunk committing suicide drove on the wrong side and hit our vehicle head-on) and the doctors at the Health Sciences Hospital in London ONT. (one of North Americas TEACHING hospitals btw...) patched me up quite nicely. Sure, we don't enjoy the very best of healthcare and the wait-times for service can be atrocious at times, but that's the price you pay (collectively as a nation) to enable the bulk of your populace to be healthy and strong. I would rather not get the very bleeding edge of scientific care if it means that the bulk of our nation's workforce is strong and healthy. Guess you're too important to yourself to realise that if you let everyone "beneath" you get sick and die......you become the new bottom. If you're listening to ANY of the comdey (NEWS) you people have in the US it's no wonder you don't have the facts straight! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Also I do well with my own businesses so no....no need to be a logger or work for the government.

Have a very nice day! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the Monk

EDIT:
oh..and weedboy......you're wrong....again! The US didn't invent the car. Karl Benz (a german) did. But here's another website for you for some additional FACTUAL reading. Courtesy of the Library of Congress http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/auto.html

InfiniteStates
10-21-2010, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
...look up the definition of bigotry before u start hurling accusations.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

big-ot-ry
[big-uh-tree]–noun, plural -ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

bigot (plural bigots)

1. one who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
2. one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
I can't be bothered to go on, suffice to say, it is exactly the word I meant.

If my stats were available they would probably say my best unit is the German advanced tank destroyer. The armour on that thing makes it own. Hard.

DW_Khan
10-21-2010, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
...when injured soldiers come back, they would suffer from crappy healthcare...
I must respond to this. Yes, hypocrisy is the greatest luxury.

They might come back and suffer crappy health care in Canada, but at least they would be supported by their government and citizens. How many American vets came home after Vietnam and ended up homeless & jobless. Some statistics assert that "Homeless Vietnam Veterans Outnumber Vietnam Deaths" (Source) (http://oldtimer.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/homeless-vietnam-veterans-outnumber-vietnam-deaths/) How pathetic is that?

How many vets from Iraq and Afghanistan returned home to America and committed suicide?
"... Army said its suicide rate in 2006 rose to 17.3 per 100,000 troops, the highest level in 26 years of record keeping."(Source (http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-02-13/news/17142332_1_iraq-and-afghanistan-veterans-veterans-affairs-suicide))

America does provide some great opportunities, but at costs. Soldiers fight for your economic freedoms, return home and are ****ed on. Americans refuse to pay a bit of extra taxes that could help veterans actually adjust back to society and deal with mental stress. Canada and every other 1st world country in the world pays for things like this with our taxes while America talks about finacial freedom.

DW_Khan
10-21-2010, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by the_Monk-:
Easy to have 2 houses when they only cost $10 dollars each! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BWAHAHAHAHA
That was great.
Most Canadians could sell their houses and buy 12 in the US.

DW_Khan
10-21-2010, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
khan your mother is 2 fathers.

If my mother is 2 fathers does that mean I have 3 fathers? Does this mean I am the result, not only of a homosexual union, but a homosexual threesome? Does that make it extra sinful to those educated in Blacksburg, like yourself? Weedbazooka, were your at Vtech when the shooting massacre occurred? I am starting to think you might have been the cause and main target of the shooter.

Hopefully that was offensive enough to get this thread locked and over with.

s-a-l-t-y
10-21-2010, 01:50 PM
Khan,

Why would you want the thread to be locked? Sure it's gone off-topic, but wouldn't you like to see weedboy TRY to respond to both the US ARMY and Library of Congress websites proving him wrong?

Come on weedboy.....the bottom of PAGE 6 awaits your response.

Priceless.....for everything else there is Mastercard! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Axe99
10-21-2010, 03:34 PM
Ye gads, this thread has gone terribly off topic. Some observations:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Very, very few posters here seem to have any understanding of what capitalism, market economics, Keynesian economics, socialism and the like mean. Stop debating them, you're only embarrassing yourselves.
<LI> The 'pro' US posters seem a little strange, as they're posting as if they have 'small country' syndrome, when the US is still the largest and most powerful country on the planet. This does not mean it's the best at everything and always has been, of course, but given where you're at, you'd think you'd be in a position emotionally to not be so angsty about what other folk think. Just chill, and maybe roll with the topic of the thread?
<LI> I've clearly flipped - I've been trying to ignore one of the worst debates I've seen on the internet in a while (and that's saying something), and for reasons beyond my ken, I've gone and thrown my 2 cents in. Am off to shoot myself now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif.
[/list]

Seriously, though - there's no way this debate is going anywhere, given the people involved - I highly, highly, highly recommend dropping it, and ignoring whatever follow-up posts come until they stop coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Now how about that EBR, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Brenbed
10-21-2010, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
Ye gads, this thread has gone terribly off topic. Some observations:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Very, very few posters here seem to have any understanding of what capitalism, market economics, Keynesian economics, socialism and the like mean. Stop debating them, you're only embarrassing yourselves.
<LI> The 'pro' US posters seem a little strange, as they're posting as if they have 'small country' syndrome, when the US is still the largest and most powerful country on the planet. This does not mean it's the best at everything and always has been, of course, but given where you're at, you'd think you'd be in a position emotionally to not be so angsty about what other folk think. Just chill, and maybe roll with the topic of the thread?
<LI> I've clearly flipped - I've been trying to ignore one of the worst debates I've seen on the internet in a while (and that's saying something), and for reasons beyond my ken, I've gone and thrown my 2 cents in. Am off to shoot myself now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif.
[/list]

Seriously, though - there's no way this debate is going anywhere, given the people involved - I highly, highly, highly recommend dropping it, and ignoring whatever follow-up posts come until they stop coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Now how about that EBR, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LMAO...I agree

What is an EBR??

Brenbed
10-21-2010, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by DW_Khan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by weedbazooka:
khan your mother is 2 fathers.

If my mother is 2 fathers does that mean I have 3 fathers? Does this mean I am the result, not only of a homosexual union, but a homosexual threesome? Does that make it extra sinful to those educated in Blacksburg, like yourself? Weedbazooka, were your at Vtech when the shooting massacre occurred? I am starting to think you might have been the cause and main target of the shooter.

Hopefully that was offensive enough to get this thread locked and over with. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


HAHAHAHA...WAYYY off topic...Y'all talkin about 3somes and everything...lmao...y'all have have forgotten that this is a video game forum..lol...Some of these members are children...so remember that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

This thread has got me laughing over here...You guys are great entertainment...it almost looks like this is turning into Facebook...hahahaha

DW_Khan
10-21-2010, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
Ye gads, this thread has gone terribly off topic. Some observations:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Very, very few posters here seem to have any understanding of what capitalism, market economics, Keynesian economics, socialism and the like mean. Stop debating them, you're only embarrassing yourselves.
By rule each and every person who reads this truly believes they are one of the "very very few posters". If you are talking about me specifically, put your dukes up... over the internet. heh (joke obviously)


Originally posted by Axe_99au:
<LI> I've clearly flipped - I've been trying to ignore one of the worst debates I've seen on the internet in a while (and that's saying something), and for reasons beyond my ken, I've gone and thrown my 2 cents in. Am off to shoot myself now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif.
[/list]
I try to hold myself back. I try to encourage the cessation of the debate. 2 minutes later I get sucked back in. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif It's horrible.... but entertaining.


Originally posted by Axe_99au:
Seriously, though - there's no way this debate is going anywhere, given the people involved - I highly, highly, highly recommend dropping it, and ignoring whatever follow-up posts come until they stop coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Now how about that EBR, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
How could anyone ignore such an historic tread. Future historians will trace the origins of WW3 to the R.U.S.E. General Discussion Forum [Console] Best UNIT in the game thread. Also a world record: Page 6 of this thread has the largest picture ever posted on an internet forum or message board. That pic is huuuuge!


Originally posted by Brenbed:
HAHAHAHA...WAYYY off topic...Y'all talkin about 3somes and everything...lmao...y'all have have forgotten that this is a video game forum..lol...Some of these members are children...so remember that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Do you mean children literally, or figuratively? haha
I had assumed RUSE was an adult game, but I guess there could be kids from other ubi games floating around. I'll keep that in mind from now on.


Originally posted by Brenbed:
This thread has got me laughing over here...You guys are great entertainment...it almost looks like this is turning into Facebook...hahahaha
It is pretty entertaining stuff!!
We just need Switzerland to moderate our war. Axe is trying, but he is Australian, so it doesn't work. His allegiance is with the commonwealth whether he admits it or not :P

DW_Khan
10-21-2010, 05:39 PM
I do regret mentioning the vtech massacre. That was unnecessary. Not my finest moment, I don't know why I thought that would be funny. Too much South Park I guess. I am sorry, weedman, I regret bringing up the worst day in your alma maters history.

Bruce Smith is the best pass rusher in football history. Hopefully that scores me 2 points for the 12000002 that I lost by mentioning the massacre.

fattoler
10-21-2010, 05:52 PM
In a 1939 game the Matilda is surprisingly effective.

s-a-l-t-y
10-21-2010, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
Ye gads, this thread has gone terribly off topic. Some observations:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Very, very few posters here seem to have any understanding of what capitalism, market economics, Keynesian economics, socialism and the like mean. Stop debating them, you're only embarrassing yourselves.
[/list]

Seriously, though - there's no way this debate is going anywhere, given the people involved - I highly, highly, highly recommend dropping it, and ignoring whatever follow-up posts come until they stop coming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.



Why armchair quarterback then? Who is embarassing themselves? Those with no facts to back their points of view up? Seems like an epidemic not only in this thread but everywhere these days. Nothing new to see here from that perspective... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I for one enjoy destroying opposing point-of-view especially when it can be done using sources the opponent won't want to dispute. You have some deeper knowledge of how capitalism works or doesn't work in North America then speak your mind? But posting that so many of us don't know, whilst implying you of course do smacks of nothing more than armchair quarterbacking.

I'm still waiting for weedbazooka's response to my post at the bottom of page 6. Of course, since there isn't anything in my post someone like weedboy could actually refute I think I might be waiting a long long time....... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the Monk

EDIT:
Oh and my new vote for "best unit in the game".....the yank recon. I mean who can beat a five-dollar auto-retreating recon? hehe

Axe99
10-22-2010, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by the_Monk-:
Why armchair quarterback then? Who is embarassing themselves? Those with no facts to back their points of view up?

Oh, I've got facts, I'm a practising economist with a double-major in political science, I just don't want to bore you all to tears http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. And you're one of the few that has an idea what they're talking about Monk http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

For one example though, it was quite entertaining for someone to suggest that the UK's current debt problems are related to socialism. The reason the UK had to borrow so much to prop up its financial system was because it had some of the most laissez-faire (that's free market capitalist http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) financial arrangements in the world. Indeed, the financial 'centre of gravity' had been slowly shifting from New York to London because of the way the UK was managing its financial services regulation.

In another post, someone suggested China won't be anything in four years because they'll be a net importer of food (it wasn't quite worded that clearly, but I'm guessing that's what they were getting at). Because no nation that's been a net importer of food has ever been a great power (that's sarcasm - the UK's a good example here).

There was also a suggestion that Britain doesn't respect personal freedoms as much as the US. Which is more than a little ironic, given the debate going on regarding the law to regulate certain videogames in California at the moment. While the US makes a big deal of 'freedom', it's far from the most free Society in the world.

As for financial incentives and markets (mentioned in a few posts), the US has no advantage over most of the 'Western' world, and particularly over the 'Anglo-saxon' countries. Any differences in the ease of raising capital, either through private means or stock market offerings, are pretty cosmetic at best, and have been for some time.

At one stage, someone hammered Canada as not travelling as well as the US economically in the latest crisis. However, Canada's unemployment rate peaked around a percentage point and a half lower than the US, is currently 1.6 percentage points below the US, Canada's economy didn't contract as far, and the World Bank has Canada's economy project to grow faster than the US over the next couple of years. This person also said they had an economics degree, although I'm a little skeptical of that. They also seemed to think that the US is special in that you can buy gold there - which is a little strange, as you can buy and own gold in pretty much any advanced Western economy (on the by, I'd recommend against holding that large a proportion of your portfolio in Gold now that we're coming out of the crisis, unless you're expecting another).

Then there was the suggestion that Canada was socialist - technically, Canada is a Social Democracy. Socialism advocates state control of the means of production, which Canada most definitely does not. Social Democracy, on the other hand, generally maintains free-market capitalism (although generally hangs onto a few 'key' economic activities) but also works towards social justice. Because 'Socialism' and 'Social Democracy' sound similar, it has lead to many people in the US believing that Europe is Socialist http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. Particularly ironic given that the US also has a number of social democratic goals, although it'd never word it like this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

On the by DW, I think Venezuela is a mixed economy, with some firms run by the State and some by private organisations or individuals, so it's not a pure Socialist country. Even Cuba is liberalising, and China has been liberalising for some time.

On the by Weedbazooka, the French invented the first car - Ford's big innovation was mass production.

And weedbazooka, someone from the US criticising Healthcare almost anywhere else in the advanced economy world is just asking for trouble. The US healthcare 'system' costs almost twice as much as similar systems in other countries, and delivers worse results. If you need facts on this let me know and I'll bore you all some more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

On the by, what I've posted isn't the be-all and end-all, and there's plenty more to all of these subjects than I know, but a few people (weedbazooka, you're easily the standout) really don't have any idea what they're talking about. Best to do a little research first, or you'll just end up embarrassing yourself.

fattoler
10-22-2010, 06:41 PM
My dad always said giving money to the labour party was like giving a barrel of beer to a drunk, you didn't know which wall he'd **** it all up on. But even he believes in the NHS and all the other basic welfare stuff.

weedbazooka
10-23-2010, 07:30 AM
first of all, the first automobile if u wanna be technical was a steam power vehicle invented by nicholas-joseph cugnot(french). the first gas powered was that german dude. model t's were the most mass produced easily back then. secondly, never once did i hurl personal insults on this forum until u thin skinned pussi's caught feelings over me talking about your country. thats the difference in this debate. third of all, im glad to hear u recovered from a major accident, but u are fortunate. we already have a cure for aids(see magic johnson), and in the next 5 years because of stem cell research, we will be able to cure some forms of major diseases. third of all, i dont know where they bought houses at but i doubt it was in a major city. for instance in washington dc, the average median home price is $720,000. in kansas its $59,000. vancouver, which has the highest median in canada, is $681,000 and the lowest is fredericton, nb. so your point is null and void on that one. vt massacre "joke" makes u the scum of this forum. never once in my posts did i mention tragedy's or take direct shots at anyone besides the country that u are "reppin." i guess u got some 911 jokes huh. try having a discussion limiting insults to countries instead of personal attacks. it makes it seem like u pee sitting down. as far as income, the richest person in canada, number 20 on forbes list. there are seven americans before him. the us is the new bottom? what a joke. a natural disaster happens,(haiti, southern asia)the us puts up while the world looks and arm chair quarterbacks. haiti was a french colony and the french were no were to be found to this day! but then again, i guess they cant afford to. where is canada to? oh they must be filming another episode of mantracker or something...lol idiot

weedbazooka
10-23-2010, 07:37 AM
btw, my economic degree is exactly why 25% of my portfolio is in gold. do some research and look at historical trends smarty pants!!!!!

fattoler
10-23-2010, 09:33 AM
Learn to use paragraphs.

InfiniteStates
10-23-2010, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
first of all...
secondly...
third of all, im glad to hear...
third of all, i dont know
...lol idiot
LOL at least he can count beyond 3. I struggle to believe anyone with your grammar skills has a degree of any worth.

Great post, Axe.

s-a-l-t-y
10-23-2010, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
first of all, the first automobile if u wanna be technical was a steam power vehicle invented by nicholas-joseph cugnot(french). the first gas powered was that german dude. model t's were the most mass produced easily back then. secondly, never once did i hurl personal insults on this forum until u thin skinned pussi's caught feelings over me talking about your country. thats the difference in this debate. third of all, im glad to hear u recovered from a major accident, but u are fortunate. we already have a cure for aids(see magic johnson), and in the next 5 years because of stem cell research, we will be able to cure some forms of major diseases. third of all, i dont know where they bought houses at but i doubt it was in a major city. for instance in washington dc, the average median home price is $720,000. in kansas its $59,000. vancouver, which has the highest median in canada, is $681,000 and the lowest is fredericton, nb. so your point is null and void on that one. vt massacre "joke" makes u the scum of this forum. never once in my posts did i mention tragedy's or take direct shots at anyone besides the country that u are "reppin." i guess u got some 911 jokes huh. try having a discussion limiting insults to countries instead of personal attacks. it makes it seem like u pee sitting down. as far as income, the richest person in canada, number 20 on forbes list. there are seven americans before him. the us is the new bottom? what a joke. a natural disaster happens,(haiti, southern asia)the us puts up while the world looks and arm chair quarterbacks. haiti was a french colony and the french were no were to be found to this day! but then again, i guess they cant afford to. where is canada to? oh they must be filming another episode of mantracker or something...lol idiot



@ weedbazoooka,

Ok, let me try this one more time.......sigh...

First, I will only respond to the things in your paragraph which you and I were discussing and not the things in your diatribe which were obviously aimed at other posters.


Originally posted by weedbazooka:
first of all, the first automobile if u wanna be technical was a steam power vehicle invented by nicholas-joseph cugnot(french). the first gas powered was that german dude. model t's were the most mass produced easily back then.

Yes. That however is not what you said earlier. On page 6 you stated "because the u.s. invented the car silly." That was the statement I and others took issue with. It is only now AFTER I pointed you to your own Library of Congress website that you've revised your tune, a website which states "If we had to give credit to one inventor, it would probably be Karl Benz from Germany."

It would be nice hear retractions from those who make false statements (of course that is not the american-way is it? hehe).

What about this erroneous statement which you again made on page 6 "omg a canadian is now in the fight...lol thats a first! canadians couldnt bust a grape in a fruit fight lets all be honest." I proved you wrong with data from your very own OFFICIAL US ARMY WEBSITE, the least you could do is apologise.



Originally posted by weedbazooka:
third of all, im glad to hear u recovered from a major accident, but u are fortunate. we already have a cure for aids(see magic johnson),

As Axe has put it, no sane american would ever get into a healthcare debate with ANYONE from the rest of the developed world because you will lose everytime. You have the worst healthcare system of the developed world. I wasn't talking about scientific R&D. Those are two very different (although sometimes seemingly intertwined) things. Choose one or the other to debate and I'll be happy to entertain you further.



Originally posted by weedbazooka:
third of all, i dont know where they bought houses at but i doubt it was in a major city. for instance in washington dc, the average median home price is $720,000. in kansas its $59,000. vancouver, which has the highest median in canada, is $681,000 and the lowest is fredericton, nb. so your point is null and void on that one.

Only if you completely ignore several key points of economics not the least of which would be cost-of-living. Where did you say you got your "economics-degree" from again?!? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



Originally posted by weedbazooka:
as far as income, the richest person in canada, number 20 on forbes list. there are seven americans before him. the us is the new bottom?
Right, do you have any idea the kind of taxes we pay up here? Seems like you don't. The tax-structure up here (although not perfect....who's is?) strives (at least more so than in some countries) to bring about a form of equality within the nation. This helps to fund our many social programs (which do of course get abused) but I'd rather not have the lack of said programs like in your country for instance. Feel free to add more of your countrymen to that all-knowing forbes list of yours. It will only increase income-disparity in the US and therefore hasten your nation's decline as a whole. Again I have to ask.....where did you receive your degree and for what exactly? I might demand a refund if I were you! hehe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


By the way, I'm not an economist.......I work in IT, well and I'm a canadian......so I guess I had the benefit of a better educational system overall. Maybe that can explain at least some of the intellect-disparity in this thread. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Have a wonderful day!

the Monk

weedbazooka
10-23-2010, 02:25 PM
sounds like all the foreigners are sucking each other off and piggy backing. @ monk the canadians never EVER took the lead in a major war. i also stated that they contributed to war. u stated originally about your kin buying homes in the u.s. i pointed out the home prices to make a point. dragging other economic factors like cost of living is irrelavent. of the top 1000 hospitals in the world the us has the first 16, including the best hospital in the world johns hopkins. idiot, healthcare debate over. anybody illegal or not can walk into an er and get treated for whatever. fraud makes our healthcare system bad not the medicine. you all cant be this stupid! this is not an english test so sorry if i dont indent or capitalize at the beginning of sentences. it is not that serious clowns. there is only one chief in this world right now and the rest are indians. until that changes i will enjoy my luxuries and trips to vegas. the funny thing is i can comment about your countries because i have been there...lol can u?
london- great fish and chips, underground clubs, weather and women are horrible.
toronto canada- the caribana is great. beautiful women. clubs close too early! 3am....lol city is smaller than i thought.
paris- everything is overrated, especially the food and women
milan- gay men capital of the world....etc
one more thing, u made another point for me when u said the tax structure of canada is set up to make everyone equal. u will never have the opportunity to be the best. your country as a whole strives for mediocracy and your proud of it!....lmao thats why countries that adopt that kind of structure are weak and fail. they need a host to support them like a parasite! look around at the e.u. nobody is in a hurry to move the canada or england. your governments suck all your money for failing social programs...lol i rather keep my money and provide for my family. progressives fail everywhere, but your hut, soup and a sandwich keeps u a happy little peasant.

weedbazooka
10-23-2010, 02:35 PM
one more thing monk, failing public school system. u fail to realize we have some of the best schools in the whole world. we can choose what schools we can attend. so if a school is bad, we can choose another one. sure poor people dont have a choice but im not poor. but the thing is, in america u dont have to go to school to be successful. u need ideas and drive. some of the richest americans only have a highschool education. some dont even have that! experience and opportunity counts more than anything.

DW_Khan
10-23-2010, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
vt massacre "joke" makes u the scum of this forum. never once in my posts did i mention tragedy's or take direct shots at anyone besides the country that u are "reppin." i guess u got some 911 jokes huh. try having a discussion limiting insults to countries instead of personal attacks.
True, it was a scummy thing to bring up. I already admitted my regret and apologized because I felt dirty. You by no means have to accept that apology and you can think of me what you will.

But, don't act completely innocent. It's not like you were on the high road. I was responding directly to a brief post where you said nothing other than "khan, your mother is 2 fathers." That seems like a personal "direct shot". It was not limiting the insults to countries as you suggested we all should be doing. Though, what you said by no means justifies my insensitive response. I merely wanted to point out the hypocrisy.


Originally posted by weedbazooka:
we already have a cure for aids(see magic johnson)
If this is a reference to the Magic Johnson South Park episode, that is hilarious. If you truly believe aids is cured then you need to find some better sources for medical information.

I'd rather the discourse between us be over now. I wish I had never gotten involved. I imagine you would be a perfectly pleasant individual in a different setting, or had the discussion stuck to the prescribed topic. I know I would have remained pleasant. The awful visual images of my conception involving 3 fathers was too much and had me seeing red.

s-a-l-t-y
10-23-2010, 03:13 PM
@ weedboy,

You have now officially made a total and complete fool of yourself. One day, when you grow up (the rest of us can HOPE) you will realise that.

There is nothing contained within your latest responses that even resembles truth/fact and is therefore non-debatable. If you wish (as Axe pointed out) to educate yourself, research the FACTS presented by myself and others and then retract your unintelligent drivel maybe we could continue.

Until then, I look forward to being your landlord! hehe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the Monk

Axe99
10-23-2010, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
one more thing monk, failing public school system. u fail to realize we have some of the best schools in the whole world. we can choose what schools we can attend. so if a school is bad, we can choose another one. sure poor people dont have a choice but im not poor. but the thing is, in america u dont have to go to school to be successful. u need ideas and drive. some of the richest americans only have a highschool education. some dont even have that! experience and opportunity counts more than anything.

This goes for pretty much anywhere though Weed, they have private schools in most places now y'know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Same goes for hospitals/universities/you-name it. In fact, India now has an industry largely built on US 'medical tourists' coming over to get medical treatment done in its hospitals. Although no sane Indian would say that more broadly the Indian medical system is the best in the world.

As for gold, wealth management is all about return on capital. You should find that while long-term gold has appreciated a lot, it's rate of appreciation now won't be as high as other assets, so by having such a large proportion of your wealth in gold, you won't be maximising your potential rate of return for the level of assets you have. It's also risky, as the price of gold (much like US house prices before the recent crash) isn't built on real economic value, but the fact that everyone keeps buying it, and while it'll never be valueless it could lose a lot of value very quickly at some point in the future.

I noticed you completely ignored the bulk of my post on the underlying issues with your comments about socialism and the like. Didn't want to go there?

And as for the US healthcare system, where do we start. Do we start with the irony that health insurance is largely linked to employment (with employers providing the health insurance, with no choice by the employees of who they get it from), when in most other advanced countries the service is purchased by individuals irrespective of whether they are employed or not, in a freer market (yup, that's right - health insurance in the US is far less free market than most other advanced economies - one of the big problems with it) and not linked to employment. The link between health insurance with employment also creates inflexibilities in the US labour market which just don't exist elsewhere. It's most definitely _not_ a model based on free market capitalism.

By forcing US businesses to cover health insurance, it also makes them less competitive globally.

And then there's its cost effectivness. Give this (US) article a read:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/in...c09/chart_08-18.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/health/healthreform/july-dec09/chart_08-18.html)

The US spends amongst the largest proportion of its GDP on health care, and isn't even amongst the 30 most 'healthy' countries in the world. And this is largely because the US healthcare system is not built on free market principles. Monk will be pleased to see that Canada both spends substantially less on health care, and gets better results.

DW_Khan
10-23-2010, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
On the by DW, I think Venezuela is a mixed economy, with some firms run by the State and some by private organisations or individuals, so it's not a pure Socialist country. Even Cuba is liberalising, and China has been liberalising for some time.
I agree wholeheartedly. I merely meant to imply that Venezuela is closer to that side of the spectrum than Europe/Canada. There is no such thing as a pure socialist country in our world. I know that it's much more complicated than that.

This was the original quote that inspired what I said,
" A SMART country understands that the competition grown through capitalism is only protected in the long run by a strong socialist backbone to survive the hard times "-the monk

I simply believe that 'socialist' should be replaced with 'Keynesian'. A strong country in the long run does not need state owned and operated industries, as 'socialism' implies. It does, however need a responsible government who overspend when they need to. If you disagree, I would love to debate. Theoretic Economics is a fascinating subject, until the equations and graphs come in. I thoroughly enjoyed the entirety of your post...errr dissertation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XxXN3MES1SXxX
10-23-2010, 03:28 PM
Im 16, from the uk and currently studying Government and politics at A-level! And this is some funny ****! Keep going guy's, its entertainment for me and im learning some new things!

Painthreshold
10-23-2010, 04:51 PM
Ahaa Nemesis im taking Government and Politics at A level aswell, im also taking economics and what ive learnt already, WEEDBAZOOKA is full of ****!!!

Axe99
10-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by DW_Khan:
A strong country in the long run does not need state owned and operated industries, as 'socialism' implies. It does, however need a responsible government who overspend when they need to. If you disagree, I would love to debate. Theoretic Economics is a fascinating subject, until the equations and graphs come in. I thoroughly enjoyed the entirety of your post...errr dissertation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Totally agree (as did both the Republican and Democrat parties in the US, as it turns out, not to mention pretty much every other Government in the world worthy of the name). The trick is making sure that the spending remains counter-cyclical, and is spent on appropriate interventions, but I might stop rambling on here - I think I've bored enough people already http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

fattoler
10-24-2010, 02:56 AM
I've DONE Government and Politics A level and now I'm working at Fortums and Maisons!

DW_Khan
10-24-2010, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
...The trick is making sure that the spending remains counter-cyclical, and is spent on appropriate interventions...
Precisely. Using the American example, the Clinton Administration appropriately tightened their belt during their time in office. The Democrats were running surplus budgets in the economic prosperity of the 90s. Then the Bush administration started spending like crazy on two wars. They started running massive deficits while the rest of the world was flourishing.
That unnecessary debt put the Obama administration in an impossible position. How could they spend more than the Republicans already had without bringing on the ire of the public? The more Keynesian measures introduced, the louder the Tea Party Movement grows.
Many Americans clamor for smaller government in an economic period where larger government is important. Simply because the Republican Party played big government when the needn't have.

Although, it could be convincingly argued that the Bush administration forsaw a coming downturn and overspent with the idea to delay the downward portion of the cycle. A cyclical downturn was inevitable, even one as drastic as occurred was predictable given the credit and mortgage situation through the 2000s in the USA. What political party presides over a period of economic turmoil is very important to the future all parties. If the economy is still bad around election time, the Democrats won't have a chance. Even though the downturn was no fault of their own. Conspiracy theory, maybe, but I do believe their is some truth in there.

Do not feel obliged to respond to all that, but I do want you to answer one question if you wouldn't mind.

Do you think the military industrial complex is a disguised Keynesian economic engine meant to deceive a more conservative voting base into larger government spending? I have debated with numerous right-of-center-Americans over this. I believe any kind of inflated government spending whether it is on defense or social programs are both Keynesian.

Corporal_Bruno
10-24-2010, 07:01 AM
After 8 Pages of reading this completely off topic garbage in order to see what people's favorite units were, I have to say...

OBICE Artillery. Expensive yes, but ridiculous.

Anyways, probably not the best unit, just my favorite!

fattoler
10-24-2010, 09:38 AM
Piffle, EBR or the Italian Prototype Breda cannon are the best, who could say no to a mobile AA and AT gun for $25?

Axe99
10-24-2010, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by DW_Khan:
Do you think the military industrial complex is a disguised Keynesian economic engine meant to deceive a more conservative voting base into larger government spending? I have debated with numerous right-of-center-Americans over this. I believe any kind of inflated government spending whether it is on defense or social programs are both Keynesian.

I'd be surprised, as it'd be a tricky thing to pull off, and defense spending tends to be cyclical (not always, of course, but often - for example, the recent UK armed forces review), so wouldn't give the Keynesian counter-cyclical kick that was needed but rather just be a big and relatively stable state industry (which is, in effect, what it is).

Defense spending also tends to have less flow-through to other areas of the economy, so would be a pretty inefficient way to give a counter-cyclical boost anyhow. If you wanted to follow it up though, chase down the US GDP figures (they should be publicly available) and check out whether defense spending in republican administrations is cyclical or counter-cyclical (as easy as charting movements in GDP next to movements in defense spending over time) - that'd give you somewhere to start from. As is the case with pretty much anything, the answers are generally in the detail.

weedbazooka
10-25-2010, 06:22 AM
if your government takes half or more of your income, that makes u an endentured servant. what makes the us remarkably different than the other countries is the opportunity to make tax free money as well. what u all fail to realize is that most americans, even the poor, make quite of bit of tax free money. whether it is gambling, drug sales, selling t shirts on the side, bartering personal items....etc. the tax free income is never reported in the statistics, and almost every american makes it. so if i make 100k a year, after taxes i bring home 65k. u bring home 45k or less. but i also generate about another 20-30k in tax free money. in canada, that would probably equate to a salary of 75k. as long as u dont go overboard with the amount of tax free money u obtain, u can reap the benefits. so while our tax structure allows me to keep more of my hard earned money, i also have the benefit of tax free sources of income with very little risk of prosecution.
@the "economist"..lol what economic factors are you currently looking at? there is a currency war going on at the moment with several countries manipulating their currencies to artificial levels. news flash; the value of currency is based off of gold like it has been for hundreds and thousands of years. gold is the most precious resource in the world and it is also a limited resource. gold mines are evaporating and soon gold mines will be depleted. after that the prices of gold is going to shoot through the roof. why do u think all these "cash for gold" companies are popular? gold is at a shortage! so u can invest in munis and t-bonds in your country and pray they dont default. or u can invest in the stock market and pray there isnt a double dip recession(which there is going to be, watch oil prices!) stop reading books and gathering useless information given by so called experts. sometimes reality is a clear indicator more than opinions. so forecast oil jumping to about $200 a barrel in the next 2 years because of the middle east issues and oil wells drying up(reality). forecast panick about so called events in 2012. forecast natural disasters and more terrorists attacks aiming at the finances of your countries(including mine). look around u then study a little bit of history around the great depression for trends. the euro may not survive the next few years because of failing socialism in europe. then what? back to the franc, pound, and rubel(russia got europes oil)....lol. wake up and be careful about giving financial advice while living in your mothers basement and googling your talking points!

weedbazooka
10-25-2010, 06:33 AM
back to the topic at hand.......one puma defeated 2 of my russian armed recon whiched sucked bad! but aerial recon and a fighter bomber counters the puma really well. only when it is in a stack with the armoured aa guns and king tiger tanks is it really a problem. really hard to counter. french protoype base is probably the best base but EVERYTHING is slow coming out. plus french aa is horrible. i think it is between the italian arty and the russian infantry. best infantry in the game and can take out any stack with as few as 5 in a city as long as they dont have recon in the stack.

InfiniteStates
10-25-2010, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
...what makes the us remarkably different than the other countries is the opportunity to make tax free money as well. what u all fail to realize is that most americans, even the poor, make quite of bit of tax free money. whether it is gambling, drug sales, selling t shirts on the side, bartering personal items....etc.
LOL so America is the only country in the world that has drug dealing and other black markets is it? And nearly every American is involved in these underground tax free endeavours are they?

...OK. Now I really believe you.

DW_Khan
10-25-2010, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
I'd be surprised, as it'd be a tricky thing to pull off, and defense spending tends to be cyclical (not always, of course, but often - for example, the recent UK armed forces review), so wouldn't give the Keynesian counter-cyclical kick that was needed but rather just be a big and relatively stable state industry (which is, in effect, what it is).

Defense spending also tends to have less flow-through to other areas of the economy, so would be a pretty inefficient way to give a counter-cyclical boost anyhow. If you wanted to follow it up though, chase down the US GDP figures (they should be publicly available) and check out whether defense spending in republican administrations is cyclical or counter-cyclical (as easy as charting movements in GDP next to movements in defense spending over time) - that'd give you somewhere to start from. As is the case with pretty much anything, the answers are generally in the detail.

Now that I re-read what I have written, it is not what I meant to write. I didn't mean to say that republican politicians have intentionally used defense spending as a subversive keynesian measure. That is a bit too conspiracy theory for me to actually believe. I meant more that conservative politicians are tricking themselves by not admitting that massive defense spending is still a form of keynesian economics. You are totally right about military spending having less trickle-down effect. Except maybe in R&D. For example the already mentioned JSF F-35 program had significant economic spinoffs around the world.

DW_Khan
10-25-2010, 01:31 PM
Weedbazooks is making some perfectly reasonable arguments about gold. If he believes there is going to be a double dip recession, panic surrounding 2012 and that the world will continue to deteriorate, then holding onto gold is the smart move. (as well as stocking food and getting weapons training)
Even if everything is peachy in 2 years, gold will not have gone down in value (significantly), so holding onto it can't hurt. Investing is about risk versus reward and there is practically no risk involved with holding gold. Also, the reward could potentially be tremendous if the future turns out as bleak as weedbazooka envisions it. I would never encourage anyone to buy gold right now. But on the other hand, I would not advise anyone to sell gold unless they need the liquidity.

I disagree with other stuff in there but I'm trying to focus on the positive. hah

Cinnamaldehyde
10-25-2010, 06:31 PM
Where's all the love for Norway and Germany? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
On topic: I love the Tiger but only if my partner isn't a complete idiot.

fattoler
10-25-2010, 06:38 PM
The problem with love for Germany is that it often leads to unfortunate implications...

Cinnamaldehyde
10-25-2010, 06:43 PM
There's a difference between Fanatasicism/Hardcore Nationalism and Patriotism but some people *Cough* Hitler *Cough* had trouble seeing the difference between the two... If that's what you're implying

Axe99
10-25-2010, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
wake up and be careful about giving financial advice while living in your mothers basement and googling your talking points!

For a start, I specifically stated that it wasn't financial advice. I also didn't descend to misplaced personal insults.

Then your statement that all currency is based on gold?! The vast majority of currencies are based on a floating exchange rate, based on supply and demand for that currency, based on a range of factors such as demand for investment in a nation and their goods, combined with how much demand there is within the nation in question for foreign goods and services. The US and most major economies that were still maintaining direct convertibility to gold, left the gold standard in the 1970s.

As DW says, there is still value in holding gold - it's a great hedge against a lot of things. However, my comments were made directly in relation to accumulating wealth (the context at the time), and right now gold isn't the best place to accumulate wealth (although it's not the worst either). NOTE THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE, JUST A COMMENT IN A THREAD ON THE INTERNET.

On the by, am surprised you don't have more money in oil though, given your predictions for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Anyways, this is my last post on this topic - given you don't know high school economics, and seem to have a very limited capacity to take in new information (the latter may be related to the former, although I don't know you well enough to say), there's not much point discussing it with you. I wish you all the best in your future endeavours and investments, and encourage you to keep an open mind, and keep on learning.

On topic, deffo support armoured recon as a powerful unit - the Puma and EBR go alright http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

fattoler
10-26-2010, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by Cinnamaldehyde:
There's a difference between Fanatasicism/Hardcore Nationalism and Patriotism but some people *Cough* Hitler *Cough* had trouble seeing the difference between the two... If that's what you're implying

I think its terrible people in Germany can't have a love for the homeland without being branded as a Nazi.

InfiniteStates
10-26-2010, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
...Anyways, this is my last post on this topic - given you don't know high school economics, and seem to have a very limited capacity to take in new information (the latter may be related to the former, although I don't know you well enough to say), there's not much point discussing it with you.
LOL when the eternal patience of Axe has worn out, you know that horse is well and truly dead and there is no sense flogging it anymore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DW_Khan
10-26-2010, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
NOTE THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE, JUST A COMMENT IN A THREAD ON THE INTERNET. Imagine how funny it would be if someone read a video game message board and took financial advice written by ruse players. hahaha
If anyone were to extrapolate financial counsel out of random internet strangers then they should not be investing in more than food, shelter and an education.

weedbazooka
10-26-2010, 06:30 AM
you know whats funny, i think im having a discussion with brits that have no real world experience dealing with money. upon graduating from vt with my degree, i was a financial advisor for amex. i have my series 7, 66, and 63 licenses. for those that dont know, it gives me the ability to buy, sell, and trade stocks. i made a lot of money there but financial advising is basically sales. so i decided to to start my own business and work for myself. i said a quarter of my portfolio is in gold. u need to have stability in your portfolio especially dealing with stocks. the rest of my portfolio is in defense contractors, natural gas, and biotech. people that had the bulk of their money in stocks are now broke and lost their retirement. im glad your reading books and learning some things about money but being a bookworm doesnt make u successful. accomplishing some goals and providing a better life for your family does. get a job, some life experience, make some real money believing in your principles, then post your opinion. if you have all that then good for you and move to the netherlands before more of your money is taxed away. the brits are about to have a world of a time dramatically slashing spending and trying to grow their economy at the same time...lol yeah right! while with the help of germany, trying to save the rest of the europe from being a debt driven third world continent. overt progressive liberalism is a disease(see california) that has stricken the world. save the trees, save the whales, nobody is allowed to have more than the next man, islam is a religion of peace, and all that other far left crap is a cancer to the world. now iran is enriching uranium, and it is up to the us/israelis to put out that fire before ww3 starts(or it may start ww3). then we can play r.u.s.e. II and you can complain about how your countries weapons suck compared to the persians and chinese...lol
p.s. never started personal attacks until u tried to belittle my post name. its just a post name nothing more.
@bp charlie, takes axes ballz out your mouth and stand on your own. most of your posts have been co-signing and its gotta be bad for your knees! btw do u even have a job? unless the ruse forum is paying for written ********!

DW_Khan
10-26-2010, 08:00 AM
The Financier versus the Economist.
When the financier speaks about economics, the economist wins. When the financier sticks to discussing finance they are perfectly rational.

In general, it is reasonable to question an economists real world experience with money. They do not necessarily apply their knowledge and predictions. If economists are so good with money and prognostication, why aren't more economists living large like investment bankers? None of this is directed at you Axe, but 1/2 the economists in the world are working as professors or lecturers and don't necessarily live in the real world.

I have a question for Weed if he chooses to answer.


the brits are about to have a world of a time dramatically slashing spending and trying to grow their economy at the same time -weedbazooka

I agree, but I also foresee the same issues in America. The deficits you guys have been running are INSANE. They were irresponsible before Obama, so he can't get all the blame. Sometime soon, America will either increase income taxes rates to Canadian/European levels, or else severely slash spending which will discourage growth, bring on more unemployment and all the social issues associated with that. I am very curious what you think the solution is to this? Do you believe America is immune to the same logic you apply to Britain? I am not trying to argue, I am curious.

PS. I can't wait to kick some Persian azz in RUSE 2...... SPARTA

InfiniteStates
10-26-2010, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
@bp charlie, takes axes ballz out your mouth and stand on your own. most of your posts have been co-signing and its gotta be bad for your knees! btw do u even have a job? unless the ruse forum is paying for written ********!
Something just doesn't add up with you weedbazooka. I highly suspect that you are a child living in your parent's basement, passing daddy's achievements off as your own. Not that I'll ever know, or indeed, really care.

Maybe if weed hadn't rotten your memory to that of a fish you would see how ridiculous your unprovoked personal attack was.

weedbazooka
10-26-2010, 01:11 PM
@ khan. it is true that america is suffering about 13trillion in debt. but unlike britain, our budget forecasts does not call for a drastic cut like they are implementing in the uk. if obama has his way, there will be another stimulus..lol bush tax cuts are going to expire at the end of the year. that will be a cut in debt. defense spending will be cut as well.(iraq) i think we just found about a trillion dollars in a resource in afghanistan(material that makes computer chips). im sure we are going to harvest a little bit of that. we are still getting free oil from iraq to build up our reserves in case of a persian war. we are the biggest supplier of natural gas as well. so all that cuts about 2 trillion in our debt. the other 11 trillion i have no idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif . but one thing i know is that u cannot cut spending so dramatically to stop your economy from growing in a recession. it has to be gradual. economist are running the white house instead of business people which is contributing to our blundering of the economy. they have no experience creating jobs or managing a corporation which kinda makes my point!
(e.g.) you can read the ruse manual and know it front to back. you can read strategy guides from everywhere and become a ruse expert. but when u finally play a game against someone with experience, game over in 5 minutes. your left thinking, "i know everything about this game from written material, how did i lose?" no experience playing the game!
p.s. an easy healthcare solution; tear up the obamacare bill. open up government clinics all over the country to help people with no insurance get treated. that way hospitals wont get crowded, resident doctors can get plenty of experience, and we save a lot more money so insurances wont jack up our rates! no insurance, go to the clinic. got insurance, go to your doctor. but government rationing healthcare is crazy!
btw... we get most of our weed from mexico and cali. one more week it is going to be legal in cali! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

weedbazooka
10-26-2010, 01:35 PM
@british petroleum charlie...already used that joke. very lame!

fattoler
10-26-2010, 04:57 PM
http://cyberfaust.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/graham_chapman_colonel.jpg

Alright that's enough, stop that. This thread is silly. It started off as a nice little thread about R.U.S.E units but now it's just got silly, , and very badly written too.

InfiniteStates
10-26-2010, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
@british petroleum charlie...already used that joke. very lame!
Link or lies.

P.S A) There was no joke and B) British Petroleum wasn't funny the first time I heard it, 8 years ago.


Originally posted by weedbazooka:
...i think we just found about a trillion dollars in a resource in afghanistan(material that makes computer chips). im sure we are going to harvest a little bit of that. we are still getting free oil from iraq to build up our reserves in case of a persian war.
Good to see your invasions had the best interests of the indigenous people at heart.

weedbazooka
10-28-2010, 05:24 AM
so i hear that the brits are now cutting military spending so much that their armed forces are reduced to the size of denmarks? do they realize that white anglo-saxon men are at war with islamic terrorists? i bet someone is sitting their cave right now licking their chops! i guess now the strongest military base in europe is in germany again. just like in ww2.(ramstein afb...lol) the irony is hilarious!!!

InfiniteStates
10-28-2010, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
so i hear that the brits are now cutting military spending so much that their armed forces are reduced to the size of denmarks? do they realize that white anglo-saxon men are at war with islamic terrorists?
Good. No doubt if it comes to a pitched battle where numbers matter we can call on America to help us several years later again.

Ghoullio
10-28-2010, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:

Good. No doubt if it comes to a pitched battle where numbers matter we can call on America to help us several years later again.

Dude, come on. That's crap! Our country used to have a mindset that the world should fix its own problems, we never wanted to get tangled in other people's affairs. Now everyone complains that America sticks its nose in everybody's business.

We may have come late, but that generation gave their lives for people they would never know. This constant anti-American sentiment has merit when it comes to current events, we deserve criticism for our recent actions. But it is an entirely different topic when it comes to what men like my grandfathers were willing to do when the time came. You cannot doubt or dismiss the heroism and bravery of the common soldier in the face of the horrors of WWII. EACH country contributed, sacrificed the bravest of the people, and suffered the consequences of war.

Bash who ever you want and grind that axe as hard as you can, but you cannot tarnish the reputation of the men and women who volunteered or were drafted in an overseas conflict that we had no hand in creating.

Ghoullio
10-28-2010, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
so i hear that the brits are now cutting military spending so much that their armed forces are reduced to the size of denmarks? do they realize that white anglo-saxon men are at war with islamic terrorists? i bet someone is sitting their cave right now licking their chops! i guess now the strongest military base in europe is in germany again. just like in ww2.(ramstein afb...lol) the irony is hilarious!!!

Dude, you are a tool of the highest magnitude. This advancement of radical Islam is a serious threat, but it is far from the menace it is being shown as by our government. It has created a fictitious boogey man in order to advance its geopolitical agenda.

InfiniteStates
10-28-2010, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Bash who ever you want and grind that axe as hard as you can, but you cannot tarnish the reputation of the men and women who volunteered or were drafted in an overseas conflict that we had no hand in creating.
Dude, I would no way belittle the contribution of any country in the war. Although for the record, I very much doubt that anyone actually fights in wars that had a hand in creating them since kings stopped riding into battle with their knights.

But had you got involved sooner, so many European lives may not have been lost. And don't get me started on nuking Japan when it was already on it's knees... But the same can be said for most countries: I'm sure we could have jumped to Poland's defence and maybe nipped it in the bud.

But I don't hate America or Americans. I hate arrogance. And due to the statistical balance of internet users, that tends to come mostly from America.

Ghoullio
10-28-2010, 07:12 PM
My friend, Japan was hardly on its knees. Had we invaded, every single man Oman and child in japan would have died for their stupid religion. Or we could have walled them off like we did with Korea. That worked out well, huh? But no. We chose to end the war swiftly which worked out pretty good for the third largest economy in the world and stopped the Russians from gobbling up even more territory.

We didn't need to net the war earlier, the europeans should not have exacted such brutal revenge from WWI on the Germans. It wasn't our job to clip the leaders in Europe, that's the Europeans jobs. Had we invaded or something in 1936, we would have lacked any real reason and would have likely mired ourselves in a continental war across Europe, turning us into the bad guys. We did not enforce the infractions of Germany and the Treaty of Versailles because we did not agree with them. You guys put your boot on the neck of Germany, so you should deal with the consequences.

Just saying.

Warforger
10-28-2010, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
My friend, Japan was hardly on its knees. Had we invaded, every single man Oman and child in japan would have died for their stupid religion.

No not really.


Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Or we could have walled them off like we did with Korea. That worked out well, huh?


Korea was lost because of the unexpected attack by China.


Originally posted by Ghoullio:
: But no. We chose to end the war swiftly which worked out pretty good for the third largest economy in the world and stopped the Russians from gobbling up even more territory.


Which war?


Originally posted by Ghoullio:
We didn't need to net the war earlier, the europeans should not have exacted such brutal revenge from WWI on the Germans. It wasn't our job to clip the leaders in Europe, that's the Europeans jobs. Had we invaded or something in 1936, we would have lacked any real reason and would have likely mired ourselves in a continental war across Europe, turning us into the bad guys. We did not enforce the infractions of Germany and the Treaty of Versailles because we did not agree with them. You guys put your boot on the neck of Germany, so you should deal with the consequences.

Just saying.

Germany was responsible for making it a world war in the first place! Austria declared war on Serbia, but Russia didn't like that so it mobilized its forces on its border with Austria as a show of force, Austria then declared war on Russia and Germany through its system of secret treaties then declared war on Russia, France, Belgium and the Netherlands and then Britain declared war on Germany.

Painthreshold
10-28-2010, 10:02 PM
Actually there is good HARD evidence that USA provoked Japan into attacking pearl harbour making them enter the war.

InfiniteStates
10-29-2010, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
My friend, Japan was hardly on its knees.
Uh huh. So how come just three planes were required to deliver the first bomb deep into enemy airspace? Supposedly the only reason they hadn't surrendered was because you wouldn't let them keep their beloved emperor, and you still didn't get the unconditional surrender demanded after the second bomb.

Any RUSE player knows if you control the sky to the point where you can fly uncontested over the enemy base you've as good as won... I'm sure there were more humane ways to subdue Japan than irradiating and/or outright killing 10s of thousands of Japanese. But then it probably wouldn't have had the desired political impact huh? It's still the second biggest crime of WW2 though (in my humble opinion).

Ghoullio
10-29-2010, 01:11 PM
Ugh.

It is simply easier to let you wallow in your ignorance. I'm sorry that your education was that poor and that your inability to understand a perspective other than your own has poisoned your mind.

Have a great day and enjoy your game.

Ghoullio
10-29-2010, 01:16 PM
I would love to see this "good hard" evidence you speak of. I fail to see how losing our a good chunk of our battleships that put us out of operations in the Pacific for 6 months gained us any sort of advantage.

There was overwhelming evidence for us to step foot in WWII that would have negated the need for Pearl Harbor.

It is the same as the idiot 9/11 truther movement. Simple people cannot fathom the simple actions an enemy can take to destabilize eir opponent. If we provoked them, it was through our embargo of oil to their shores as they openly geared up for a global war.

Ghoullio
10-29-2010, 01:27 PM
Oh and I'm curious as to your ranking for atrocities in WWII.

There is no shortage of horrors inflicted upon people in that time. Holocaust must be number one, right? But youd place Hiroshima and Nagasaki over the rape of Nanking? How about the hidden holocaust by the Soviets? Still not as bad as the A bomb? What would you rank the Battle for Britain, which almost caused the extermination of the British people? Not as bad as a nuclear attack?

Rank it however you see fit, you lack any credibility with anyone who has actually studied history. The Japanese people were far from the point of surrender as their beloved emperor had ordered people toretreat to caves to fight the impending American invasion. We would have a lost a million soldiers digging them out which would have resulted in the eradication of the entire Japanese people. Maybe they deserved it for what they did in China, i don't think so but maybe you do, i dunno. You should pause your game and read the biography of Douglas MacArthur and see what we faced even after the japanese surrendered, the struggle for control that existed in the sick and depraved minds of the Japanese government. Turning japan into what it is today is a herculean feat compared to the failure in our part to subdue the Iraqis or the afghan people.

Its history, dude, there is a ton of information out there and you should open your eyes instead of constantly belittling an event you know absolutely nothing about.

Oh, sorry, I forgot two more events that should rank higher than the Atomic attack on japan. There's the carpet bombing of european citizens by the allied forces and theres the almost complete destruction of the European continent. Few places were spared the carnage of WWII, none fared so poorly as the people on the mainland of Europe.

Axe99
10-29-2010, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
Few places were spared the carnage of WWII, none fared so poorly as the people on the mainland of Europe.

History is a complicated mess, that's for sure, and I think the best approach is to agree that all of these horrors are something that we should, collectively as a species, regret and try and avoid in the future.

On the by, China probably lost more civilians in WW2 than all of Europe combined - they often get forgotten about, but China was decimated by their conflict with Japan, which started before WW2 and didn't finish until right at the end.

And while the Blitz was rough, Britain's total civilian losses over the course of the entire war (around 70,000) were less than the loss of life from Hiroshima and comparable to that from Nagasaki.

But arguing over whether one set of brutal civilian deaths is better/worse than another is going to get nowhere. It's all 'orrible, and we should all work towards making sure as little as possible of this ever happens again.

Stevolutionary
10-29-2010, 03:40 PM
I've not read much of the discussion so far regarding the atomic bombing of Japan, but it did serve a purpose.

Firstly, although Japan was no immediate threat at that point to the allies, Russia was poised to invade from the north and annex the country like they did Eastern Europe (and we saw how that turned out)

The allies needed Japan to surrender to them, or they'd have lost the country to Russia, probably comdemning it to the fate North korea suffers today. The only options were a huge and costly land war (in lives and materials) or a submission bombing.

Propoganda was so high pre-invasion that women and children were jumping off cliffs as they genuinely believed that US soldiers would rape and cannibalise them. Without officially mandated surrender from the emporer who was seen as a God incarnate, Japan would have fought until the last man.

Hiroshima and Nagaska aren't seen as war cimes in Japan itself, and they were on the recieveing end. Two were needed too, as (correctly predicted) the military thought the US had only one, so were prepared to fight. Two bombs allowed the bluff that they had many more (they didn't...) which made them give up and gave Russia pause for thought.

InfiniteStates
10-29-2010, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
...(in my humble opinion).
LOL does my opinion really matter that much to the tune of a triple post? So you've read lot's of history? Good for you. It's still all opinions and secondary evidence. Did you speak to the emperor of Japan? Have you been influenced by pro-US teachings? Who knows. What I know is that resorting to personal abuse is not going to win many debating awards.

Oh, and I made no mention of "good hard evidence". In fact, the bit I've quoted pretty much indicates that fact.

Warforger
10-29-2010, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Painthreshold:
Actually there is good HARD evidence that USA provoked Japan into attacking pearl harbour making them enter the war.

The US was worried that it would be attacked and was trying to negotiate with the Japanese on a treaty, the US had put a big part of its Pacific Navy which if bombed would've knocked out the US from the Pacific, and when the US made an embargo as a response to the **** negotiations, the US didn't think an attack was very likely but had heard through intelligence that the Japanese were planning an attack, but the US thought it would've been somewhere else so it moved its navy there, then the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor confused with the absence of ships.

So much for "hard" evidence.

tangoliber
10-29-2010, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Stevolutionary:
Hiroshima and Nagaska aren't seen as war cimes in Japan itself, and they were on the recieveing end.

It is seen as a war crime among most people in Hiroshima...its just that most of them don't hold a grudge. They don't blame America for it, they blame the war itself and the nature of humanity.
I love a few blocks (five minutes walk) from where the bomb hit. The museum is pretty objective in detailing Japan's mistakes, but it also provides a strong argument for the opinion that the war was already over, that Japan had already expressed their willingness of a full surrender through certain channels, and the bomb dropped as a signal to Russia.

Deton_van_Zan
10-30-2010, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by tangoliber:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stevolutionary:
Hiroshima and Nagaska aren't seen as war cimes in Japan itself, and they were on the recieveing end.

It is seen as a war crime among most people in Hiroshima...its just that most of them don't hold a grudge. They don't blame America for it, they blame the war itself and the nature of humanity.
I love a few blocks (five minutes walk) from where the bomb hit. The museum is pretty objective in detailing Japan's mistakes, but it also provides a strong argument for the opinion that the war was already over, that Japan had already expressed their willingness of a full surrender through certain channels, and the bomb dropped as a signal to Russia. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol WHOA thats crazy .. we did it to show russia wassup.. well its better USA to be the world police then THE USSR . i mean when natural disaster occur, around the world, we can be in the country shores in 24 hours, but because politics, it takes time before we arrive, look at the tsunami in south east asian, i forgot the year. but we was making the biggest contribution, navy was at work. from air search and rescue to see a medic. i mean what other nation, you rather see do that or wants to do it. like in haiti, then the trap miners in some south american country. these are mostly current event, not even the last 2 years these event happened.

InfiniteStates
10-30-2010, 04:51 AM
Pffft, Russia can't even deal with it's own emergencies (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/894638.stm).

Ghoullio
10-30-2010, 07:55 AM
The Japanese military had long hijacked the Japanese government, thus neutering the Emperor. As he put out feelers to the Swiss for peace, he also feared assassination and the damage the military could do. IF the civilian elements of Japan could be said to be open to surrender, the military was most definitely NOT in favor of peace of surrender. Additionally, the Allies, not just America, would not recognize a surrender that included leaving the Emperor as the head of the country.

I think almost everyone can agree that democracy has worked out well for Japan.

InfiniteStates
10-30-2010, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Ghoullio:
I think almost everyone can agree that democracy has worked out well for Japan.
Imperial rule seemed to work pretty well for them too. They went toe-to-toe with the US, a much bigger, richer country and forced you to resort to the equivalent of stabbing them in their sleep.

Are you seriously implying they should be thankful that you imposed democracy on them?

Stevolutionary
10-30-2010, 06:39 PM
Charlie, you're normally the voice of reason here, but yes, they should be thankful.

If Russia had invaded, Japan today could be in the situation North Korea is, rather than a similar society to South Korea, that also had US intervention.

There are no easy answers in war, but Japan at the time was society that had effectively gone insane, and the bombs delivered a short, sharp shock that pulled them out of it, rather than the drawn out war of attrition that would have followed otherwise.

And no, Japan didn't go toe to toe with the US. Japan's saner military cheifs privately stated at the time that Pearl Harbour simply bought them time, and military defeat was inevitable. A famous quote from a JP admiral said "We won a great tactical victory at Pearl Harbor and thereby lost the war." Lost the war... On the day it started...

And even if they had done, that is nothing to take pride in. Should Germans feel pride at how quickly Hitler conquered Europe? If it's nationalistic pride, then it's fascistic pride, because their military adventures were the result of Nazi culture, not German culture. If it's racial pride, then i'm sorry, but that's demonstrably false as well as odious.

Japan is far, far, far better off as a nation because of the allied occupation than it would had been if the Soviets had taken over, or the military were allowed to stay in power, and the only thing that ensured that was the nuclear attack.

...and Imperial rule was HORRIBLE for them. Nobody had any personal freedoms or sense of identity - you were all tools of the state living strict, joyless lives. What about the people of China too? Or do you not consider how 'well' imperial rule worked out for them? The millions who were killed by the same imperial system.

As I said before, the bombings are 'relatively' controversy free in Japan itself, and they have a relatively high opinion of America and low opinion of the war years - similar to, although not as pronounced - as to German opinion.

Anyway, this detracts from the moral issue here that as a nation Japan went about the business of systematically murdering millions of people in the Asian nations it conquered. They have zero right to act as victims, especially when still being belligerent at the time. The Allies had every right to use whatever force was required - why even one more Allied troop die to end a barbarous war of agression, simply to spare the feelings of the agressor?

It's akin to a guy shooting up a school then having the audacity to complain that the cops broke his arm while taking him into custody, when they actually could have easily shot him dead, or thrown him to the victim's families.

Japan got off light with being nuked compared to the horror they'd have experienced with a land invasion and subsequent partition into an Allied south and Soviet north, or being left unoccupied by the Allies and being carved up by not just the Soviets, but a vengeful China who would have happily meted out revenge for Japanese atrocities that would have bordered on genocide and cultural extermination.

Joppsta
10-30-2010, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ghoullio:
I think almost everyone can agree that democracy has worked out well for Japan.
Imperial rule seemed to work pretty well for them too. They went toe-to-toe with the US, a much bigger, richer country and forced you to resort to the equivalent of stabbing them in their sleep.

Are you seriously implying they should be thankful that you imposed democracy on them? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The Japanese, as a people, I would say are more free than when they had imperial rule in place... but at the same time I wouldn't say it was all that bad for them before WW2.

s-a-l-t-y
10-30-2010, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Deton_van_Zan:
.. we did it to show russia wassup.. well its better USA to be the world police then THE USSR . i mean when natural disaster occur, around the world, we can be in the country shores in 24 hours, but because politics, it takes time before we arrive, look at the tsunami in south east asian, i forgot the year. but we was making the biggest contribution, navy was at work. from air search and rescue to see a medic. i mean what other nation, you rather see do that or wants to do it. like in haiti, then the trap miners in some south american country. these are mostly current event, not even the last 2 years these event happened.


You must be friends/roomies with weedbazooka I'm guessing..... hehe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously, how about some research with those "facts" of yours. The US doesn't "help" around the world because its people "want" to "help". The US first and foremost (like any nation) serves its own interests. Trying to call it something else (ie. helping for the sake of helping) is just plain wrong. If nothing else, the US administration often feels political pressure to "get involved" around the world. That's what happens when you spend trillions on an arms budget and want to have some other reason than killing people in order to justify that budget. So, what better way to ensure future arms-funding than to USE certain world events as stages in order to show aid.

Besides, there are plenty of examples of countries with much less capacity to help offering up far more (per capita) and faster so don't keep flattering yourself. I could provide concrete examples of same.....but my past experiences with your bunk-buddy bazooka in this thread have proven to me that even when people like you are confronted with the FACTS (hell even from sources within your own borders) you just ignore them and choose another unintelligent point to argue with.....sigh.


the Monk

InfiniteStates
10-31-2010, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Stevolutionary:
If Russia had invaded, Japan today could be in the situation North Korea is, rather than a similar society to South Korea, that also had US intervention.
...
It's akin to a guy shooting up a school then having the audacity to complain that the cops broke his arm while taking him into custody, when they actually could have easily shot him dead, or thrown him to the victim's families.
Great post Stev http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No, I wouldn't wish a North Korea on any other nation. Plus, it made for some cool anime films. I would recommend Grave of the Fireflies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxv9ghINEhs).

Stevolutionary
10-31-2010, 08:23 AM
Yes, i've seen Grave of the Fireflies. Amazing film. One of the best anti-war films you'll ever see.

The whole issue with the nukes is that war isn't cut and dried. Yes, they served no immediate military function, but in strategic terms, the impact was huge.

1) It saved millions of Allied lives (and Japanese lives) from a land invasion, Contrary to some beliefs, an invasion was inevitable. Imagine leaving Hitler and the Nazis in power? That's how most of Asia felt - Japan had to be neutered and the rulers removed and tried - or war would have just flared up again as soon as everyone re-armed costing millions more lives.

2) Russia was also trying to carve up as much territory as possible as in Europe as well as Asia. The bombs stopped them in their tracks, not only saving the Japanese people from a North Korea like fate by surrendering to us, but preventing further Soviet expansion in Europe from fear of atomic reprisals.

The nukes killed a lot of innocent civillians, but saved the lives of a thousand times more. A horrible calculation, but a situation we were put in by Japan who could have avoided it, so have no right to complain.

OkeefenokeeJoe
10-31-2010, 02:24 PM
my favorite unit is the G.I. the game tells me so. lol

OkeefenokeeJoe
10-31-2010, 02:31 PM
but seriously. we didnt start it. we didnt rape and pillage china. we didnt invade hundreds of islands in the pacific for the sole purpose of building a world empire. when pearl harbor was hit, japanese diplomats were in D.C. fooling the americans into thinking it considered peace as a possibility. when we dropped our two bombs, we gave notice beforehand.

you can fool the simple minded into confusing the good guys with the bad guys, but if you zoom out a little and put things in context. the true colors of the belligerents are in clear, crisp, technicolor.

fattoler
10-31-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm sorry but I prefer to deal with new-coming opponents who have a grasp of the English language.

weedbazooka
11-01-2010, 06:54 AM
kamikaze pilots, millions of soldiers bunkered up in caves. save a life, drop a nuke. the only way to defeat an enemy that is willing to kill himself is to destroy their will to fight. thus nukes were used and saved a few american lives. we face the same thing in the middle east now. suicide bombers thinking god is soooo superficial to grant them 70 virgins in heaven for blowing themselves up. idiots!!!!! drop a nuke on afghanistan and pakistan and save a few american lives.
we all know most of these posters come from failing socialist countries that takes pride in the fact that they are world wimps. if you let them tell it, they could have won ww2 without the us help. history repeats itself and TODAY we are on the brink of ww3. what will you and your countries do? i know what the us will do. we will fight and make sure to perserve YOUR way of life no matter how crappy it is. true we have a lot of self interests, but so does everyone in the world. the anti american hate you all have is crazy. u should be thinking the us everyday for its contribution and domination. we sacrifice more of our resources and men than any other country in the world.(FACT) 2 americans gave over $100 billion in charity to help people all over the world. our actors and actresses do more for humanity than some of your countries. hopefully, when world war breaks out for a 3rd time, we impose isolationalism and let your governments fend for themselves. then you will see how great and powerful your countries are! better learn farsi and mandarin.

InfiniteStates
11-01-2010, 07:39 AM
Uh-huh. OK.

My best unit in the game is now the Jadpanther... that thing owns (especially US players that love their Pershing spam). Coupled with some upgraded assault guns and suitable air cover (fighters, towed AA or wirbelwinds - any will do), you are a rolling turtle of doom*.

I'd recommend staying near your base, waiting for them to attack, then counter attacking though. Simply so you can re-inforce faster than them. But this applies to any country and any unit...


*And recon - goes without saying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Painthreshold
11-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
kamikaze pilots, millions of soldiers bunkered up in caves. save a life, drop a nuke. the only way to defeat an enemy that is willing to kill himself is to destroy their will to fight. thus nukes were used and saved a few american lives. we face the same thing in the middle east now. suicide bombers thinking god is soooo superficial to grant them 70 virgins in heaven for blowing themselves up. idiots!!!!! drop a nuke on afghanistan and pakistan and save a few american lives.
we all know most of these posters come from failing socialist countries that takes pride in the fact that they are world wimps. if you let them tell it, they could have won ww2 without the us help. history repeats itself and TODAY we are on the brink of ww3. what will you and your countries do? i know what the us will do. we will fight and make sure to perserve YOUR way of life no matter how crappy it is. true we have a lot of self interests, but so does everyone in the world. the anti american hate you all have is crazy. u should be thinking the us everyday for its contribution and domination. we sacrifice more of our resources and men than any other country in the world.(FACT) 2 americans gave over $100 billion in charity to help people all over the world. our actors and actresses do more for humanity than some of your countries. hopefully, when world war breaks out for a 3rd time, we impose isolationalism and let your governments fend for themselves. then you will see how great and powerful your countries are! better learn farsi and mandarin.

Jesus Christ you have smoked too much weed, please spill your pro US propaganda somewhere else

Joppsta
11-01-2010, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Painthreshold:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by weedbazooka:
kamikaze pilots, millions of soldiers bunkered up in caves. save a life, drop a nuke. the only way to defeat an enemy that is willing to kill himself is to destroy their will to fight. thus nukes were used and saved a few american lives. we face the same thing in the middle east now. suicide bombers thinking god is soooo superficial to grant them 70 virgins in heaven for blowing themselves up. idiots!!!!! drop a nuke on afghanistan and pakistan and save a few american lives.
we all know most of these posters come from failing socialist countries that takes pride in the fact that they are world wimps. if you let them tell it, they could have won ww2 without the us help. history repeats itself and TODAY we are on the brink of ww3. what will you and your countries do? i know what the us will do. we will fight and make sure to perserve YOUR way of life no matter how crappy it is. true we have a lot of self interests, but so does everyone in the world. the anti american hate you all have is crazy. u should be thinking the us everyday for its contribution and domination. we sacrifice more of our resources and men than any other country in the world.(FACT) 2 americans gave over $100 billion in charity to help people all over the world. our actors and actresses do more for humanity than some of your countries. hopefully, when world war breaks out for a 3rd time, we impose isolationalism and let your governments fend for themselves. then you will see how great and powerful your countries are! better learn farsi and mandarin.

Jesus Christ you have smoked too much weed, please spill your pro US propaganda somewhere else </div></BLOCKQUOTE>World War 3?

Dude, please, for the good of humanity just stop being brainwashed by American BS. World War 3 would profit nobody and everybody has something to lose. The only reason the war stopped in Berlin was because of Nukes mainly, huge deterrent. You think Russia, America or China would seriously consider war as an option without some form of missile defense system that was fullproof? I guarantee you that until such times as we have a counter to ICBMs there will be no "World War 3". If there is ever a "World War 3" scenario.. it will be when all of the earth's resources are running low and talks don't get us anywhere.

We're all milking this planet dry and your ******ed (quite franklY) Captain America speech here is laughable, ignorant and stupid at best. The fact you don't even have the dignity to use correct grammar when trying to argue educational and somewhat intellectual points does not really help you convey yourself in the best possible fashion.

My advice?

1) Get a spellchecker
2) Lay off the "Captain America Bong"
3) Get laid

fattoler
11-01-2010, 05:46 PM
For those who cannot be bothered to suffer though Messer Weedbazooka's posts or just suffer from tl;dr syndrome. Here is a nice video summary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

Joppsta
11-01-2010, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by fattoler:
For those who cannot be bothered to suffer though Messer Weedbazooka's posts or just suffer from tl;dr syndrome. Here is a nice video summary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI God, LOL xD

Axe99
11-02-2010, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
we all know most of these posters come from failing socialist countries

You still don't know what Socialism/Socialist means, do you? Sorry to re-post, but I thought we'd covered this already http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

BoldarBlood
11-02-2010, 05:30 PM
failing socialist countries

you mean like the united kingdoms, france, sweden and germany?

btw, germany is a very socialistic country from your point of view. we have free healthcare for everyone, we have livelong unemployment benefits and many more socialistic things.

we also have the lowest number of unemployed persons this month since the last 18 years, our economy is booming and we are a free and democratic nation ;-)

Axe99
11-02-2010, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by BoldarBlood:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> failing socialist countries

you mean like the united kingdoms, france, sweden and germany?

btw, germany is a very socialistic country from your point of view. we have free healthcare for everyone, we have livelong unemployment benefits and many more socialistic things.

we also have the lowest number of unemployed persons this month since the last 18 years, our economy is booming and we are a free and democratic nation ;-) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

None of these countries are remotely socialist. Strictly defined, in a socialist country, all means of production is owned by the State (and most property as well). In all of the countries listed, the vast majority of economic activity is undertaken by privately owned businesses.

Anyways, I'll disappear and leave this thread in peace again now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Deton_van_Zan
11-03-2010, 04:00 AM
I think the best unit in this game, is the 10 nuclear aircraft carriers we have. we can be in any nation's shores in less then 24 hours and let them know what the american people can do LOL.

InfiniteStates
11-03-2010, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by Deton_van_Zan:
...let them know what the american people can do LOL.
Eat fast food and watch crap TV, interspersed with a 1:1 ratio of adverts?

weedbazooka
11-03-2010, 06:47 AM
"Recognising the inefficiency of the Euro Area’s macroeconomic governance, French governments have frequently called for a gouvernement économique, without ever specifying what this meant. German governments used to resist these demands out of fear that it could threaten the independence of the European Central Bank. After the disaster of Germany’s handling of the Greek crisis, Chancellor Angela Merkel has now rallied President Nicolas Sarkozy, although she immediately clarified: ‘The economic government is us, the 27 member states’. One is reminded of Louis XIV: ‘L’Etat, c’est moi!’. Thus, the Merkel-Sarkozy approach to economic government is a pre-democratic, absolutist model. It is unlikely to produce results because intergovernmental cooperation does not work. Nor will a Diktat by the directoire of the big member states make Europe more acceptable to its citizens.
Recalling that its task is to ensure the proper functioning and development of the common market, the European Commission has proposed tighter surveillance of member states to ensure that they stick to their obligations under the Stability and Growth Pact. National budgets are to be coordinated during a ‘European Semester’; governments that violate the rules are to be punished; and the Commission is to be authorised to ring alarm bells early on. All member states must decide budget rules, similar to Germany’s new constitutional Schuldenbremse. These proposals seek greater consistency between member states’ fiscal policies and the unified monetary policy. However, they do not address the fundamental problem behind the diverging national policies, namely the issue of democratic legitimacy.
Modern democracies are built on the principle: ‘No taxation without representation’. A government is only to act within the scope of what citizens have authorised it to do. Clearly, a European economic government must act in the interest of European citizens, who are the owners of the euro and who are affected by policy decisions that impact inflation, interest rates, the exchange rate, etc. It would be logical that the Commission is charged to administer these common European public goods, but only, if citizens have the right to control it through their elected representatives in the European Parliament. National governments cannot carry this legitimacy because they are not elected by all European citizens, but only by national factions that cannot represent the collective interest of Europeans."
-Stephen Collignon

Painthreshold
11-03-2010, 08:53 AM
So posting a quote from someone, clearly justifies your point when you don't put it into context nor do you develop your point.

Well done (****** clap)

BoldarBlood
11-03-2010, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Axe_99au:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BoldarBlood:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> failing socialist countries

you mean like the united kingdoms, france, sweden and germany?

btw, germany is a very socialistic country from your point of view. we have free healthcare for everyone, we have livelong unemployment benefits and many more socialistic things.

we also have the lowest number of unemployed persons this month since the last 18 years, our economy is booming and we are a free and democratic nation ;-) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

None of these countries are remotely socialist. Strictly defined, in a socialist country, all means of production is owned by the State (and most property as well). In all of the countries listed, the vast majority of economic activity is undertaken by privately owned businesses. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i know that. but it seems that weedbazooka doesnt know it. im sure hes one of these americans who think free healthcare for all is communism^^

BoldarBlood
11-03-2010, 09:48 AM
*doubblepost, delete plz*

weedbazooka
11-03-2010, 10:41 AM
oh im sorry, i thought you could figure it out. all the european nations under the euro are in an economic form of socialism. pointed out by the source.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Painthreshold
11-03-2010, 10:44 AM
No that is your interpretation of the source and until you give me valid development of that source then i won't take it as a valid point in this discussion

BoldarBlood
11-03-2010, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by weedbazooka:
oh im sorry, i thought you could figure it out. all the european nations under the euro are in an economic form of socialism. pointed out by the source.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rofl. this shows that you dont have a clue what you talking about. the quoted text you posted is about the financial stabilization of european nations which get hit hard by a financial crisis like the greeks got in this one. this has nothing to do with socialism but with sabilization of the currency.

because of this nearly all nations in europe are out of the crisis and getting a positive economy grothrate again. in the case of germany it results in the lowest number of unemployed people since 18 years.

to be clear: what you can hear at the moment in america about socialism are just stupid lies for uneducated people to get their votes. and what can i say, it worked *lol*

InfiniteStates
11-03-2010, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Painthreshold:
...i won't take it as a valid point in this discussion
LOL I think you have been led astray. This isn't a discussion...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0629/9661/dont_feed_the_trolls_crop_340x234.jpg

Joppsta
11-03-2010, 05:52 PM
I love how i get banned for telling Deton how it is (nobody cares how big his e-***** is.. and we all know his can only reach from a-z on a keyboard IRL) but they can both act like pro-america ******s on these boards and not get banned.

Furthermore lack of any attention from developers in these forums so far as i'm concerned.. a simple "hello, we're listening" would do but no.

**** this forum, it's bull****.


And weedbazooka, how the hell do you expect to be taken seriously with a name like weedbazooka? SERIOUSLY?

Epic failure. If you're trolling you have been very successful, i wish you a death by axe. Preferably beheading if this is the case. If you're just dumb enough to believe what you say and hear in America then well.... you should seek help or proper education really quickly.

fattoler
11-03-2010, 06:11 PM
... and I don't stop, and I keep on trolling, and I don't stop, and I keep on trolling, and I don't stop, and I keep on trolling, and I don't stop, and I keep on trolling, and I don't stop, and I keep on trolling....

Deton_van_Zan
11-03-2010, 07:57 PM
lol seem like you need spell check too. And don't hate. You guys should
read the forum rules. we talk about american pride. And instead of doing the same u guys write hate message lol. Sorry if your nation don't got $hit to talk back. But u guys like to insult us American personnal. And that's why the forum did what they did. Instead of cryin write something your nation made you proud of. Like I said best unit in the game are the 10 nuclear aircraft carriers lol. And bp Charlie, those fat Americans that you keep sayin can still load up bombs to make england glass. And what you got to defend that? Your hms hood ? Lol

Deton_van_Zan
11-03-2010, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Joppsta:
I love how i get banned for telling Deton how it is (nobody cares how big his e-***** is.. and we all know his can only reach from a-z on a keyboard IRL) but they can both act like pro-america ******s on these boards and not get banned.

Furthermore lack of any attention from developers in these forums so far as i'm concerned.. a simple "hello, we're listening" would do but no.

**** this forum, it's bull****.


And weedbazooka, how the hell do you expect to be taken seriously with a name like weedbazooka? SERIOUSLY?

Epic failure. If you're trolling you have been very successful, i wish you a death by axe. Preferably beheading if this is the case. If you're just dumb enough to believe what you say and hear in America then well.... you should seek help or proper education really quickly.


lol if you don't like it find another forum .

BTOG46
11-03-2010, 08:28 PM
If you don't all calm down and stop calling each other names, more of you will be earning yourselves a suspension.

This thread is NOT about bragging about who's country is better than others, nor is it a political discussion thread, it's about the units in the game, so unless you want this thread locked, I suggest you get back on topic... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

weedbazooka
11-04-2010, 04:46 AM
hahahaha.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif silly little people. so immature. well back on topic before some more people get banned and have no life because they cant post on here anymore! lmao!! i think no one should play with the americans and germans in this game to show your real skill. its obvious those are easily the 2 best factions. i play with the italians because everyone says there the weakest. i think they have the best weapon on the game with their artillery. the range is outstanding and damage is good when u have 3 of them.(except against armoured artillery). the referee has blown the whistle on you losers so back on topic!

weedbazooka
11-04-2010, 04:59 AM
And its 11 nuclear aircraft carriers if you include the x-carrier that has already made trial runs and set to be commissioned soon! why no u boats or destroyers in the game? war in the seas was as important if not more than the ground campaign. especially the battles in the north atlantic.

Stevolutionary
11-04-2010, 07:48 AM
Dear Mr Moderator

If you wish to suspend anyone/stop the flaming, then just ban weedbazooka and Denton.

The trolling is almost entirely their doing and neither have made a single positive comment regarding the game, apart from like above where he passively agressively attacks other posters then puts in a game comment to falsely claim he's being on topic.

weedbazooka
11-04-2010, 10:17 AM
snitches get stitches

Stevolutionary
11-04-2010, 10:24 AM
^^^
Case in point. Attitude, knowledge, social skills and spelling ability of a 12 year old.

weedbazooka
11-04-2010, 02:50 PM
with more money than your entire family! even if converted to euros. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

Painthreshold
11-04-2010, 04:27 PM
Jesus ****ing christ Joppsta gets banned when people like weedbazzooka and Deton carry on the discussion after everyone else tries to get it back on track.

In case you missed Mods.

@ everyone. how can the canadians have the best anything when they dont fight????? canadians are half french, nuff said. reality speaking, the u.s. has the greatest army ever. we go into battles with stupid rules of engagement and still kick ***. we have dumb politicians trying to criminalize soldiers for defending themselves. the way the u.s. fights wars is dumb but yet we still prevail. its like fighting mike tyson with both hands tied behind your back and still winning. vietnam, stupid rules of engagement. iraq, stupid rules of engagement. afghanistan, stupid rules of engagement. the u.s. has technology that the british has been trying to steal for over 25 years and cant even come close to duplicating it. the chinese and russian tried to steal the raptor/jsf35 and built crap planes that cant even survive test flights. we dont need to nuke a country to bomb it into oblivion. we have jdams that fit ordinance that was used in vietnam. we have predator drones that will spot u and blow u out the water. we have the largest army on earth. 350 million people live in the u.s., 500 millions guns in the u.s. oh by the way, google TAW 50 and learn something about what the u.s. has in store.....lol yall third world countries are funny. one more thing, if it was for the u.s., they would be speaking german in the u.k. and japanese everywhere else...lmao

Weedbazzookas first post was not on topic and abused brave soldiers who fought on the beaches of ww2.

Deton is abit better and does stay on topic, but for the love of god and the English language please ban weedbazzooka

Stevolutionary
11-04-2010, 04:30 PM
Seconded. He's an idiot with nothing better to do than get attention by trolling a videogame forum. Why the people he's inciting are getting banned, yet the instigator isn't beggars belief.

And no Weedbazooka, you don't earn more than me. Nobody with your terrible command of the English language is earning more than minimum wage i'm afraid, that is if you're even out of school yet. Your lies are as awful as your grasp of history.