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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 09:55 PM
I know this has been asked a million times in the past, but is there any possible way to take away the rotten egg look on the late hood in the 109's? It has to be the hardest cockpit in the game to look though. At least with the 190 you can turn a little and see out of the side.

I dont know how hard it would be to remove it from the graphics model though...



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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 09:55 PM
I know this has been asked a million times in the past, but is there any possible way to take away the rotten egg look on the late hood in the 109's? It has to be the hardest cockpit in the game to look though. At least with the 190 you can turn a little and see out of the side.

I dont know how hard it would be to remove it from the graphics model though...



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XyZspineZyX
11-17-2003, 10:59 PM
It's "glass". Why would it be hard to change?

He's never answered this question that I'm aware of. I have a feeling this is another 109 view issue. Something that is just plain wrong and we are stuck with it.

Maybe it might make things too easy for the LW guys if it wasn't this way. lol

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 12:10 AM
There IS no excuse for this. It *can* be fixed, and *should* be fixed. But I suppose its easier to beat the Germans by blinding them than just facing them with superior late model Yaks and Lavochkins. *shrug* Quite clearly another entry on the "Annoy the Germans List"(tm)

There is just no WAY that a ground crew would let a plane go into battle with a hood that turned the outside view into an impressionist painting. You lose all depth perception, any clarity, and of course, any "dot" that happens to be beneath you or to the sides. It reduces visibility by about 75% in CAVU conditions....in haze or weather, plain forget about it. You can't see a thing.

The really insidious thing about this is, it doesn't look so bad when you spawn in on the tarmac. Then you get a couple hundred meters up, take a look outside with your usual checkturns and it looks like somebody just took a racehorse p*ss all over the back and sides of your cockpit.

This is an OUTRAGE, pure and simple. We have the glass of a "modern day museum display" in our late 109s, and it really cripples their effectiveness. You can't bounce what you can't see.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 01:05 AM
FWIW I agree especially now that I'm trying to get used to no icons, this is a big disability to those in a 109 cockpit.I fly all planes but I hate to fly no icons in canopy framed low angle POV 190 and bug spattered 109! I admire those that can do so, but why have this feature.

Also the Yaks are not so great (too dark), but not as bad as 109 to see out of.

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 01:07 AM
--insert graphic of Calvin in VVS garb p1ssing on 109 hood...--



Message Edited on 11/18/0312:08AM by Harry_M

XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 07:48 AM
Well, Im not spouting any conspiracy theory or anything. Actually, I would be willing to bet this "Feature" was intended for all planes, but as more and more flyables came to fruit, little details like this were overlooked.

Given that, all I can do is ask again, can we please level the playing field and remove the pee-glass?

If they wont fix it, can we at least get a, "We are not fixing it" response?

It has been asked over and over and over again, but to my knowledge there has never been an official response.



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XyZspineZyX
11-18-2003, 08:37 AM
Yuck - from rotten egg to horse pee glass! What a stench in that cockpit!

But I agree 100%, as a non-icon flyer (and maybe even with incons on) your more than handicapped in the late 109s. Want to spot something on your 4-7 o'clock? No way!

Just treat everyone the same. Either remove the goo from the 109s or let them horseys go at the other planes as well. The only true explanation would be RL data. But oddly enough some early war plexi-glass windows are clear as crystal!

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 09:53 AM
Seriously, ground crews cleaned them its ridiculous they are so dirty it looks like your flying in a cloud in poor visabilty conditions while the lagg3 and mig which had the richest black exhaust have perfectly clean windows makes no sense. I really hope 1c decides to change the opacity of the grime, theres alot of us who fly full real and its a major problem.

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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 09:59 AM
there are two possibilities: ALL planes with glass "effects" or NONE ! I would prefer all ....

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 10:28 AM
-- I would prefer all ....

Be carefull, the "dirt" may depend on video card or drivers. I see very little dirt with SiS video chipset on any 109G. More important, the main thing is that home PCs are not yet able to render the brightness range of the real environment realistically, let alone keeping it playable.

Its best to leave off any moddeling of glass imperfections until they have the computer power (actually, monitor range) to do it properly.

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 10:34 AM
Kirin_9_JG54 wrote:
- Yuck - from rotten egg to horse pee glass! What a
- stench in that cockpit!


Heheh, if we ever get a flyable Liberator, they could actually model that for the guy in the ball turret.

When a guy took a leak at the front of the plane, the "output" would splash all over the ball turret, much to the annoyance of the gunner /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 08:52 PM
Stiglr wrote:
- This is an OUTRAGE, pure and simple.

Are you sure that you're not confusing the marks on the glass in game with the caked up froth and spittle on your computers monitor?

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XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 09:06 PM
Anyone saw REAL La 7 cockpit "glass"? I did.... It's dirty YELLOW /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-19-2003, 10:20 PM
No, clint-ruin, I can wipe that away with Windex and actually see better.

Thanks for checking, though.

As for someone's comment about seeing yellowed glass on a "real" La-7....after 40-some odd years of sitting in a museum, you'd expect that...but not on the battlefield, on a model that was at best no more than a year old.

XyZspineZyX
11-21-2003, 07:49 PM
Hi Oleg, I noticed you were on so I decided to bump this.

Can you tell us why, once and for all, why the glass in the late model 109's are so filthy? Is there any plan to change them?

I am not whining, I have never read you post anything about this issue, and was wondering what your stance on it was.

Thanks in advance.



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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 03:45 AM
I've grown used to it because it doesn't sound like it's going to change. But then I fly the P-51, and the clarity of that cockpit is astounding!

If I had to guess, I would say that 1C put a lot of time into the -109, and created a cockpit that was very real looking for a used, battle worn aircraft. However, one could argue that no pilot would ever accept an aircraft with windows that look so green that you feel like a fish in an old bowl. Maybe some of the other aircraft are modeled after factory fresh aircraft, and therefore have very clean, very clear windows.

I would say that in the spirit of fairness, that all windows are made clear.

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XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 09:15 AM
So I guess you guys will be flying the G-6 early and backwards from now?

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Oh yeah, I'm a P-63 whiner too! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 12:17 PM
Earlier I was anoyed by the fact that the plane with the worst visibility also would have the dirtiest glass. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

nowadays i dont have so much trouble with this exept on the wintermaps wich i try to avoid......


anyway i would enjoy dirty glass on allied planes too.

XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 06:11 PM
i like the 109 glass, because it makes me feel morelike i'm really sitting in an aircraft, but i usualy fly off-line with range icons. I think icons are a good solution, esp for those with lower end hardware.

i can see why no icon flyers would dislike this, but would vote not to change it if it were up to me. (might change my mind with a better monitor etc tho!)

XyZspineZyX
11-22-2003, 09:15 PM
Crashman wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've grown used to it because it doesn't sound like it's going to change. But then I fly the P-51, and the clarity of that cockpit is astounding! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is exactly my point: unequal, biased treatment of planes based on....what, exactly??

There is NO evidence that any plane ever flew with glass that made it nearly impossible to see out of. ALL planes should have a clear view out of glass. The "normal" glass effects (the really light smudges on most planes) are fine, and DO enhance the effect that the panes are actually there.

But the Late 109 hoods are so obviously over the top as to beg the question, "Why the HELL was that done?"

XyZspineZyX
11-23-2003, 12:39 AM
Hello Gentlemen.

Very very nice post and definately deserves a *bump*

I was one of the first guys to post this, even created a *GIF* which showed up clarity from horsepee http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But as mentioned above, NO OFFICIAL ANSWER up to now...looks like developers don't fly full real late 109s, or they would discover this misfit themselves.


There is only one way: Make the late 109s glass transparent as well as the others planes glass http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-23-2003, 03:06 AM
I don't understand the dev's sometimes. Of course people are going to question their neutrality if the LW planes have bad views, the 190 has it's bar and the late 109's have awful glass. Can you imagine the reaction if the Mustang had glass like the late 109's?

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XyZspineZyX
11-23-2003, 01:56 PM
Korolov wrote:
- So I guess you guys will be flying the G-6 early and
- backwards from now?

I for one prefer the G-6 early over the late one which performs better just because of that glass... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 02:55 PM
Bump++

Perhaps the title should be changed to directly address Oleg....I've only seen him in threads that do recently.

XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 04:10 PM
I propose to increase the BAR position also in 109s and muffle the side glass in 190s



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XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 05:03 PM
I hope the Erla Haube will receive some attention in the explansion pack or the Next Sim at latest. It`s just freaking bugged. The rotten egg panals are one thing, but the Erla canopy`s framing is just horribly thick, unlike any real Erla canopy`s I have seen. The front high frame is about 3 times as thick as on the old canopy, not to mention that I think Oleg`s team probably modified it from the old one, but left their two frames on the top which suddenly end at around the head armor. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Looks extremely silly, and they block the view quite a bit which they shouldn`t do because they weren`t there in reality. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 05:47 PM
XNomad wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Can you imagine the reaction if the Mustang had glass like the late 109's? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I can: just as outraged as us 109 fans. But, we're not catered to like the Pony people.

And now you begin to see just why some of us are beginning to trot out the "B"-word. It seems really obvious and out in the open, doesn't it?

The silence is deafening, dev team....

XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 06:28 PM
jurinko wrote:

- I propose to increase the BAR position also in 109s
- and muffle the side glass in 190s



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XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 07:37 PM
Hey, when I brought up the compass in Yak it was 'that is what the speedbar is for'

next thing you know: 'that is what icons are for' and 'that is what padlock is for'

who needs to see? :P lol

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XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 07:38 PM
no one is catering here stigler - it's a newer model - it does have some reflection in it - so it's not purely clean.



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XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 08:16 PM
"some reflection" is fine: I see that on almost all canopy glass for all sides.

But the injustice done on late 109 rear glass is just over the top.

As for speedbar fixing the problem of the obscured Yak compass...well, be glad you can still easily "read" the info from speedbar. There's no relief from the "impressionist painting" you see through the Late G6s (unless you resort to the WonderWoman view, which I'm not *about* to ever do)

XyZspineZyX
11-24-2003, 09:24 PM
bump