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Realjambo
11-28-2005, 01:30 PM
Sorry, Must have been posted lots of times, but which flotillas have the XXI?

Thanks very much!

Realjambo
11-28-2005, 01:30 PM
Sorry, Must have been posted lots of times, but which flotillas have the XXI?

Thanks very much!

bunkerratt
11-28-2005, 01:39 PM
what year are you in?..it comes later in the war...http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/bunkerratt/DieNachtHexe.jpg

WilhelmSchulz
11-28-2005, 01:51 PM
You have to wait till 44'. IF I renember corectly Bergen and St. Nazaire. You could go to the community manual to find flotilia info but its kaput for the time being.

TheMoon7x
11-28-2005, 03:07 PM
don't ya have to have some ungodly amount of renown to get it too??

U-48-Kapitan
11-28-2005, 03:13 PM
The best place to get a type XXI is 7th flotilla. They get it the earliest. It doesn't come out till middle-late 1944. It costs 30,000 reknown.

paulhager
11-29-2005, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
Sorry, Must have been posted lots of times, but which flotillas have the XXI?

Thanks very much! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The two flotillas that eventually have it are the 7th and 11th.

If you start with the 7th in '39, you get a VII-B. If you avoid being killed, average around 40K per patrol, and don't keep changing subs, you'll easily be able to afford a fully tricked-out Type XXI. However, some features are "broken" - the batteries don't charge quickly after about 75% and the snorkel mounted radar doesn't work. Frankly, I don't think the radar is that important. As for the batteries, 75% actually works OK and it provides a nice handicap. If you don't want to have the handicap, then select unlimited batteries.

You'll get a good selection of homing and ladder search torps as part of the standard loadout - I'd buy two additional T5 Wrens per patrol for 1600 renown. They'll pay for themselves.

For those realism fanatics who say the Type XXI never saw action, my response is that in a "what if" scenario, it is perfectly reasonably to start using the Type XXI (if you can afford it) in the Summer of 1944. The U-2501 I used in the Altmeier series was commission in June '44. Given the desperate situation the Germans faced, you'd think they'd have collapsed the traning/shakedown schedule and started sending the boats out by the end of the Summer at the latest.

In the Altmeier series, I ran two parallel careers - one that could afford the Type XXI and one that couldn't. When I was ready to introduce the Type XXI to the story in January 1945, I just switched to that career. Part of the reason I did things that way was that I wanted an inexperienced crew for a large chunk of the series - dealing with fatigue created additional problems that I think made things more realistic (as I've said elsewhere, I actually worked game generated fatigue into the story - think Johann in DAS BOOT).

JU88
11-29-2005, 03:58 PM
meh, by 1944 there is so little in the way of merchent encounters its hardly worth havind an XXI with is massive load out, plenty of lone DDs about from mid 44 onwards, better load up with falkes.

paulhager
11-30-2005, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JU88:
meh, by 1944 there is so little in the way of merchent encounters its hardly worth havind an XXI with is massive load out, plenty of lone DDs about from mid 44 onwards, better load up with falkes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Minor quibble - not the Falke (Falcon) but the Zaunk├┬Ânig (Wren). The Falcon comes fairly early but has only 20 knot speed and limited homing ability. By 1944, the loadout includes Wrens: 24 knots and better homing. The Wren Mark II is probably better but it is 25% more expensive. Don't know if it is enough better to justify the cost.

I'd guess my hit rate with the Wren was somewhere around 80% against escorts. Distances were typically between 1000 and 2000 meters on the escorts so that's pretty good. In the Altmeier series, I seem to recall one pre-detonation, 2 clean misses, and one or two times the Wren went off on a excursion away from the intended target and ended up hitting nothing. The rest of the shots were hits. At least one of the hits was on a different escort than the one I was aiming at so one might consider counting that as a miss given that the immediate threat wasn't eliminated.