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gothkrieger
08-02-2011, 01:10 PM
Still running a CRT type monitor and want to upgrade.

Would really like to get a monitor that has good enough contrast that I can still make out aircraft when they are flying over forest areas, dark water etc. I have a tendency of losing sight of them, especially when I look away and look back, then I can’t see them again.

These new monitors are wide but not very tall, I don’t want to lose the vertical view image so how “wide” a monitor should I go for.

Thanks

horseback
08-02-2011, 01:17 PM
A 26" (about 66cm) monitor should be about the right size to maintain the vertical height of a 17" CRT, but they tend to be a bit pricey.

It might actually be more cost-efficient to get the same size widescreen LCD HDTV, since they tend to be discount priced more often than larger monitors (I run my bedroom rig on an Olevia 26" TV with 1280x720 and it rocks).

cheers

horseback

WTE_Galway
08-03-2011, 01:31 AM
If the budget can afford it the 2560 x 1440 27" Dell U2711 is an extremely good monitor.

TheGrunch
08-07-2011, 11:24 AM
I recently bought a Samsung 2233RZ 120Hz monitor because I wanted to get back the smooth feeling of the 22" CRT I used to use, and I have to say that it has been a success. You might want to think about that aspect as well - LCD monitors have trouble with trailing of fast-moving objects and even monitors with overdrive to correct motion blurring experience to a greater or lesser degree what is known as overdrive trailing, which is where the correction of the motion blurring overcompensates and creates an inverted-colour trail of the image. This issue is still present with 120Hz monitors but to a much lesser degree.

ytareh
08-07-2011, 02:17 PM
In this game the thing that determines whether you can see 'dots' is the resolution ...the game is optimised for 1024x768 as its v old ...if you play at higher res you will find it very hard to see dots.As for screen choice I reckon the bigger the better .I use a 30" Dell and could never go back to smaller.BUT its a shame to use 1024x768 on it ....simply can NOT see the dots otherwise ...but IL2 at 2560x1600 sure looks pretty!

TheGrunch
08-07-2011, 04:03 PM
I don't have much difficulty seeing dots at 1680x1050, ytareh, especially if I set mp_dotrange DOT 25.

megalopsuche
08-07-2011, 04:14 PM
Buy a used 4:3 monitor, the biggest one you can find. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Seriously, Il-2 doesn't like widescreen, and even with San's FoV changer, there's a lot to be desired.

Bearcat99
08-07-2011, 07:03 PM
I am using a 24" Asus.. 1920x1050 .. I have no problem seeing dots and the WS looks great to me. If you have TIR then the WS limitations become moot..

Stiletto-
08-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Buy a 4:3 monitor are you freaking serious? Just press the page down key and wammo you have a field of view again.

And even if it was beneficial to run a 4:3 ratio in IL-2, do you think he really wants to castrate all of his other computer experiences just so he could play this 10 year old game closest to ideal?

I think the biggest problems with dots come from a higher resolution monitor makes the pixels that much smaller, regaurdless of the planes being represented by a few number of pixels above **** x 768 resolution.

Easiest way to make sure you see dots at a higher resolution is to make sure you have a large enough monitor where you can actually see the pixels. a pixel at the same resolution on a 21" lcd is going to be going to be almost a quarter smaller than a 27" so the bigger the better and if you still have problems seeing pixels because the resolution is too high for you, you sit too far away or have poor eyesight, you always have the option to lower the resolution down to blow up the pixels more.

Basically any 1080p or higher res monitor 24" or over is probably a good choice. Most of these monitors today have decent contrast and color accuracy compared to the lcd's of years ago and aren't ridiculously expensive. Just remember that the larger the monitor the easier it will be to see pixels at any given resolution.

gothkrieger
08-07-2011, 08:20 PM
As TheGrunch said “LCD monitors have trouble with trailing of fast-moving objects and even monitors with overdrive to correct motion blurring experience to a greater or lesser degree what is known as overdrive trailing” Do you guys who have suggested these monitors experience this with the monitors you suggested?

megalopsuche
08-07-2011, 08:38 PM
Wasn't sincere about the 4:3... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Without San's FoV changer widescreen is absolutely terrible in Il-2. It cuts off huge chunks of the top and bottom of the screen if you only edit the conf.ini. I'm surprised that others don't find this to be as annoying as I do.

TheGrunch
08-07-2011, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by gothkrieger:
As TheGrunch said “LCD monitors have trouble with trailing of fast-moving objects and even monitors with overdrive to correct motion blurring experience to a greater or lesser degree what is known as overdrive trailing” Do you guys who have suggested these monitors experience this with the monitors you suggested?
There are several good sites to check out the performance of various monitors under these conditions, such as TFTCentral (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk) and DigitalVersus (http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6).

gothkrieger
08-08-2011, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by TheGrunch:
I don't have much difficulty seeing dots at 1680x1050, ytareh, especially if I set mp_dotrange DOT 25.

What and where do I find this setting?

Aviar
08-08-2011, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
Buy a used 4:3 monitor, the biggest one you can find. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Seriously, Il-2 doesn't like widescreen, and even with San's FoV changer, there's a lot to be desired.

I have been using carmaster's new 'Carmaster FOV Changer' for a few weeks now. So far I have not had a single problem with it. (Yes, I have tried San's FOV Changer and found it to be too buggy for realistic use.)

Aviar

Aviar
08-08-2011, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by gothkrieger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGrunch:
I don't have much difficulty seeing dots at 1680x1050, ytareh, especially if I set mp_dotrange DOT 25.

What and where do I find this setting? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It takes a little bit of understanding, but this is how it's done:

http://www.il2-fullmissionbuil...om/custom-icons.html (http://www.il2-fullmissionbuilder.com/custom-icons.html)

Aviar

gothkrieger
08-08-2011, 04:56 PM
Is changing the DOT number considered a "cheat"?

Is it something that would prevent you from getting on a server?

Aviar
08-08-2011, 05:25 PM
It can't be considered a 'cheat' online because the server sets the dotrange settings. Your particular dotrange settings will be overridden by the server you are flying.

Aviar

Treetop64
08-08-2011, 07:46 PM
Recommend LCD Monitor

Hard to go wrong today with any monitor built by a reputable manufacturer today, they're so common. The only choice really is what size you want.

megalopsuche
08-09-2011, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Aviar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by megalopsuche:
Buy a used 4:3 monitor, the biggest one you can find. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Seriously, Il-2 doesn't like widescreen, and even with San's FoV changer, there's a lot to be desired.

I have been using carmaster's new 'Carmaster FOV Changer' for a few weeks now. So far I have not had a single problem with it. (Yes, I have tried San's FOV Changer and found it to be too buggy for realistic use.)

Aviar </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tracked it down with a google search, and that is a huge improvement! Thank you so much!

gothkrieger
08-09-2011, 01:20 PM
'Carmaster FOV Changer'

I tried Google and had no success. Can you post a link to where you found it please?

megalopsuche
08-09-2011, 03:52 PM
Can't post links to mods here, but I can pm you.

Stiletto-
08-09-2011, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
Wasn't sincere about the 4:3... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Sorry, I missed the tongue sticking out.. Crazier things have been said in this forum though!

jermin122
08-09-2011, 10:34 PM
Since you are talking about dots. Do you still have this LOD problem?

Aircraft disappearing at 500-1000m from you when its silhouette is the smallest (it flies either towards you or away from you).

This bug has been discussed over ever since AEP came out in 2004. I'm wondering whether you are still experiencing this problem. And do you have any good solution for it?

I've tried altering graphics settings both in game on in Nvidia CP. The problem is still there even in UP3.

gothkrieger
08-09-2011, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by megalopsuche:
Can't post links to mods here, but I can pm you.

Thanks. Downloaded the file. Now I just have to get a program to un-zip the 7Z file.

gothkrieger
08-10-2011, 12:29 AM
OK, am considering:
Viewsonic 27" LED Monitor with 1ms Response Time (VX2753MH)

Some of the info on it:
· Full HD 1920 x 1080 resolution for the most realistic visuals imaginable
· The 1ms response time keeps even the fastest-moving content looking crisp and clear
· The aspect ratio adjustment feature senses the input single and will not stretch a 4:3 signal but instead will position the image in the middle of the screen with side bars

That last item, would that preclude me ever being able to use one of these FOV mods on it at some future time?

Aviar
08-10-2011, 01:15 PM
Should be no problem.

Aviar

VW-IceFire
08-10-2011, 03:41 PM
Has anyone chased down a good non-TN panel for flight simming? I'm looking but it's pretty hard. There is the one Dell U series that has a IPS display that is apparently good. I'm looking for other options too.

My biggest problem right now is I have a Samsung sPVA panel 17in right now that I'm loathe to part with as the colour reproduction, angle performance and quality of the display in general is so good. Nothing seems to really be in that area anymore. But I want something bigger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I should have spent the extra money back in the day and got the 19in when it was still available. Of course now it's all about the 22 and up.

WTE_Galway
08-10-2011, 05:13 PM
There are quite a few 23/24" IPS screens around. A quick search found these:

LG IPS231P-BN
AOC i2353Fh
Asus PA246Q

TheGrunch
08-11-2011, 11:41 AM
If you can put up with the colour reproduction for simming, just get a new one and keep the old one for photo editing etc, and run a dual-monitor setup. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Sorry I didn't reply very quickly gothkrieger, looks like everyone else has answered your questions better than I could have anyway!

EDIT: BTW guys, here's (http://widescreengamingforum.com/fovcalc.php) a good tool to help choose your new FOV, just use the 'new hFOV' value just under the right-hand box of optional fields once you've filled everything in. Put in a 4:3 resolution in the old resolution section, set old hFOV to 90, and set the number of monitors to 1 x 1, then type the resolution of your widescreen monitor on the left, simple as that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WOLFMondo
08-17-2011, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Recommend LCD Monitor

Hard to go wrong today with any monitor built by a reputable manufacturer today, they're so common. The only choice really is what size you want. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd still put the research in. Still allot of marketing crap around large screens these days like fake or best situation response times on greys etc. I'd say, generally you can't go much wrong with a Dell flat panel. Little sick saying that but they're on the most part very good.

Widescreengamingforum have lots of reviews with gaming in mind which the OP might find useful.

gothkrieger
08-17-2011, 04:28 PM
Thanks for that, I will check it out.