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fordfan25
12-11-2007, 03:51 PM
i mean 50cal is bigger than 20cals by 30cal right. so shouldnt the 50's be much stronger. i think this sim is bias. also the p38 should be alot faster than the FW190's. it has two moters so it should be twice as fast. Why are the USA planes and guns so weak.

SlickStick
12-11-2007, 03:55 PM
In all honesty, this is the best you can come up with?!?! On a scale of 1-10, you are a -4 Fisherman. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

As Oleg would say, "Time to close that internet browser forever and do not open anymore!"

HuninMunin
12-11-2007, 03:55 PM
Shure no?

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/tard.jpg

HuninMunin
12-11-2007, 03:59 PM
Oh.
Forgott:
http://lolcat.com/pics/zombiekitty.jpg

na85
12-11-2007, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
i mean 50cal is bigger than 20cals by 30cal right. so shouldnt the 50's be much stronger. i think this sim is bias. also the p38 should be alot faster than the FW190's. it has two moters so it should be twice as fast. Why are the USA planes and guns so weak.

HAHAHA are you kidding?

It's 20 mm not 20 cal.

A 50 cal round has a diameter of 12.7mm, which is a lot smaller than 20mm.

Nice try, though. If you're going to fish you should try better lure :P

Bearcat99
12-11-2007, 04:18 PM
I should ban you for such bad trolling.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

You ought to be ashamed of yourself..... !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Piker!!

and you call yourself a fisherman!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

na85
12-11-2007, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I should ban you for such bad trolling....

I dare you.

SeaFireLIV
12-11-2007, 04:37 PM
Once upon a time that would`ve made 20 pages before common sense would`ve stopped it!

crucislancer
12-11-2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Shure no?

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/tard.jpg

LMAO!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

UeGII_Josip
12-11-2007, 04:40 PM
Agent provocateur? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

VW-IceFire
12-11-2007, 04:56 PM
Hook...line...and ...20mm sized sinker? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HuninMunin
12-11-2007, 05:01 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/TigerITankTunis.jpg

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:9W45WFdfqaEzyM:http://history.sandiego.edu/cdr2/WW2Pics2/82904a.jpg

GIAP.Shura
12-11-2007, 05:02 PM
Its cos the yanks dont know nuffink about guns cos they aint got no gun culchure or nuffink.

Brain32
12-11-2007, 05:06 PM
This turned out to be good fishing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Skycat_2
12-11-2007, 05:09 PM
mm is larger than m, yes? Km is before mm in alphabet, so it is smaller yes?

blairgowrie
12-11-2007, 05:46 PM
fordfan sir. I am really surprised by your post. You have been around here long enough to know better. Have you been drinking perhaps?

Tator_Totts
12-11-2007, 06:22 PM
http://www.sanctuarysupplies.com/images/catalog/SIGNNOFEED.jpg

BSS_Sniper
12-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Leave him alone! He really could be that dumb. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Y0RGO
12-11-2007, 07:33 PM
Still non't understood! 50km bullit IS largest then 20km bullit, yes?

I go now.

http://lkcc.org/albums/pdt/bullit.sized.jpg

fordfan25
12-11-2007, 07:43 PM
LoL wasnt tryn to actualy troll. kinda standing on the dock making fun of the fishermen. did land at least one fish though heheh. love the 2nd cat pic very funny. S to the few who got the tone of the thread though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
12-11-2007, 07:47 PM
LOL @ Bearcat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Skoshi Tiger
12-11-2007, 09:43 PM
The .20cal Colt/Brownings were often used to take out German Tiger tanks during WWII. They bounced them of the gound into the soft undersides of the Tanks. This was so effective the US Army airforce started doing it with their .50's

Loco-S
12-11-2007, 10:30 PM
you make puppy angry.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Kurbalaganda/Puppie.jpg

Uncle_Stranger
12-12-2007, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
The .20cal Colt/Brownings were often used to take out German Tiger tanks during WWII. They bounced them of the gound into the soft undersides of the Tanks. This was so effective the US Army airforce started doing it with their .50's

BUT!

0.50's could destroy Tigers front armor!

Thats a big difference.

general_kalle
12-12-2007, 12:19 AM
[/QUOTE]P38 should be faster than fw190.
it has two engines so it should be twice as fast[QUOTE]

loool.

have you considered the difference of the airframe not to talk about that the engines isnt the same. therefore they dont have same output.

sheesh. think a little about your question before you ask it.

just an advice sir.

tools4foolsA
12-12-2007, 01:48 AM
0,50 cal is sure undermodeled. I mean, do you remember what happened to that city when a pilot fired a burst into it? Completely wiped out!!!
What was that city's name again...Hiroosima or somefink like that...???

ViktorViktor
12-12-2007, 03:31 AM
No, no, you're not getting off the hook that easy !

If you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk.
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Capt.LoneRanger
12-12-2007, 05:38 AM
P38 should be faster than fw190.
it has two engines so it should be twice as fast

Rubbish. How can a P *38* be faster than a FW *190* ? The FW190 logically is 5 times faster!

R_Target
12-12-2007, 07:27 AM
FW190 is so fast that it bends the cockpit framing, obscuring the pilot's gunsight.

WN_Barbarossa
12-12-2007, 08:16 AM
The TB-3 is clearly undermodelled. It has 4(!) engines still it's slower than the P-38.

FPSOLKOR
12-12-2007, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by GIAP.Shura:
Its cos the yanks dont know nuffink about guns cos they aint got no gun culchure or nuffink. That may actually be the reason why yanks sticked to .50 for sooo long time! They thought that it was bigger!

MEGILE
12-12-2007, 09:00 AM
This thread vexes me.

I am terribly vexed.

na85
12-12-2007, 09:16 AM
You'd better watch out, Megile, or Russell Crowe will come stab you.

Diablo310th
12-12-2007, 09:23 AM
tsk tsk tsk fordman...I expected better from you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Choctaw111
12-12-2007, 11:37 AM
I wish I had seen this thread sooner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
12-12-2007, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by WN_Barbarossa:
The TB-3 is clearly undermodelled. It has 4(!) engines still it's slower than the P-38.

You still don't get the trick with the numbers. The thing is a TB-3.

That makes it about as fast as a MiG-3 and a bit faster than an IL-2.

na85
12-12-2007, 04:10 PM
So how fast would a spitfire be?

K_Freddie
12-12-2007, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
LoL wasnt tryn to actualy troll. kinda standing on the dock making fun of the fishermen. did land at least one fish though heheh. love the 2nd cat pic very funny. S to the few who got the tone of the thread though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Heard this one before.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
You just plainly forgot that there is another world out there... somewhere!!

Remember at that time (except for a few who had some brain cells) it was trial and error, not to mention 'kickbacks' for using my weapons systems. Not much has changed even today..
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Haigotron
12-12-2007, 05:45 PM
50 > 20 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

M4Sherman4
12-12-2007, 05:55 PM
the 38 http://www.aviation-history.com/lockheed/p38.html

190 http://www.aviation-history.com/lockheed/p38.html

HuninMunin
12-12-2007, 06:01 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I heard true men fly Me 323 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

M4Sherman4
12-12-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I heard true men fly Me 323 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
I wont one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Skycat_2
12-12-2007, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by na85:
So how fast would a spitfire be?
Good question.

Since the RAF hated numerals, speed ranking is determined by the alphabet. Spitfire III (eye-eye-eye) is faster than Spitfire VIII (vee-eye-eye-eye) which is faster than Spitfire XIV (ecks-eye-vee). Now we must convert to a numeric scale; the Mustang becomes the Rosetta Stone. Spitfire III = Mustang III = P-51C.

P-51C's top speed is one-third the speed of that of the Russian I-153.

The I-153's known top speed is 366km/h at sea level. Therefore, the Spitfire III has a top speed of 122 km/h at sea level.

The difference between I and X is fifteen letters, so the Spitfire IX's top speed is 107 km/h. The difference between I and V is thirteen letters so the Spitfire III is about 130km/h faster than Spitfire XIV (multiply by ten because the letters are in the first postion). This simple formula conclusively proves why there is not a Spitfire XIV in the game: with a top speed of -8km/h, it could never have actually flown!!! The Spitfire Mk.XIV was purely a drawing board fantasy machine fabricated by propagandists to demoralize the Luftwaffe's Lerche corps.

DrHerb
12-12-2007, 06:40 PM
god i wish i passed math in highschool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

avimimus
12-12-2007, 09:41 PM
Narrating to future thread miners:
"This is the complete breakdown. You will see. In a few weeks we will begin the road back to the highest standards of behavior and punctuation etc. It is nice that we can pinpoint the bottom so accurately. The validity of our result is reinforced by the sudden appearance of pictures of cats in all threads."

Esel1964
12-12-2007, 11:00 PM
I realize it's a bit late,but,the caliber is based on fractions of an inch(unless stated in millimeters).

e.g. 1 caliber is 1 inch,.50 is 1/2" etc.
9mm = .38 cal.(which is actually .357 of an inch or .357 caliber-why they named it "38",is beyond me).

Skycat_2
12-13-2007, 01:12 AM
You're sharp. It's rare to find a man of your millimeter.

Cajun76
12-13-2007, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by Skycat_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by na85:
So how fast would a spitfire be?
Good question.

Since the RAF hated numerals, speed ranking is determined by the alphabet. Spitfire III (eye-eye-eye) is faster than Spitfire VIII (vee-eye-eye-eye) which is faster than Spitfire XIV (ecks-eye-vee). Now we must convert to a numeric scale; the Mustang becomes the Rosetta Stone. Spitfire III = Mustang III = P-51C.

P-51C's top speed is one-third the speed of that of the Russian I-153.

The I-153's known top speed is 366km/h at sea level. Therefore, the Spitfire III has a top speed of 122 km/h at sea level.

The difference between I and X is fifteen letters, so the Spitfire IX's top speed is 107 km/h. The difference between I and V is thirteen letters so the Spitfire III is about 130km/h faster than Spitfire XIV (multiply by ten because the letters are in the first postion). This simple formula conclusively proves why there is not a Spitfire XIV in the game: with a top speed of -8km/h, it could never have actually flown!!! The Spitfire Mk.XIV was purely a drawing board fantasy machine fabricated by propagandists to demoralize the Luftwaffe's Lerche corps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Meaningless without a free hand chart in MS Paint.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/50cal01.jpg

Fixed.

Cajun76
12-13-2007, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
i mean 50cal is bigger than 20cals by 30cal right. so shouldnt the 50's be much stronger. i think this sim is bias. also the p38 should be alot faster than the FW190's. it has two moters so it should be twice as fast. Why are the USA planes and guns so weak.

Agree 100%

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/Powerofteh50cal01.gif

HuninMunin
12-13-2007, 06:27 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Look carefully at the first pic in the row.
This is some serious friendly fire going on.

Metatron_123
12-13-2007, 06:27 AM
So Skycat, how does a Me-109 G-6 compare to teh Spitfire IX? I is nott so good at mathematics.

Y0RGO
12-13-2007, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Cajun76:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/Powerofteh50cal01.gif

I am think this guns fotage is fake!!! This Tigers TANK is NOT match turnit number, yes?

712 and 308!!!!

I am think fake.

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ChwyNiblet
12-13-2007, 08:59 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/ChwyNiblet/Failcat.jpg

Monty_Thrud
12-13-2007, 09:03 AM
When are you people gonna wake up and smell the god damn Juniper bushes, we've been had!...if teh 50s were more powerfuller than teh 20s, then teh 303s are teh dogs danglies then...KABOOMITE x12 or what...Oleg, pleeze fix.

Cajun76
12-13-2007, 09:24 AM
I just report the facts guys and gals, nothing more, nothing less.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Obviously 712 got pounded so hard, his 'momma' (308) felt it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

As for the guy in 712, he's obviously an elite panzer commander with great fashion sense. Just not enough sense to stay buttoned up. Not that it would do much good.

That's eight, count 'em EIGHT 50 cals. folks. Overkill X 7. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Now that I've corrected the historical record, I'm off to Kurfy's site. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

UeGII_Josip
12-13-2007, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Metatron_123:
So Skycat, how does a Me-109 G-6 compare to teh Spitfire IX? I is nott so good at mathematics.

The Luftwaffe used to define their aircrafts speed by forward and backward flying.

So Bf109 is "Backward flying 109 km/h"

and Fw109 is "Forward flying 190 km/h"

blindpugh
12-13-2007, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
i mean 50cal is bigger than 20cals by 30cal right. so shouldnt the 50's be much stronger. i think this sim is bias. also the p38 should be alot faster than the FW190's. it has two moters so it should be twice as fast. Why are the USA planes and guns so weak. I think you would get more bites if you said that the twist stick rudder was the biggest cheat in this game.

blindpugh
12-13-2007, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Y0RGO:
Still non't understood! 50km bullit IS largest then 20km bullit, yes?what you dont seem to unersand old boy is -if you stand in front of 20 km bullit at 21 km you are safe but if you stand in front of 50 km bullitt at 21 km -you is dead-now i go.

I go now.

http://lkcc.org/albums/pdt/bullit.sized.jpg

fordfan25
12-13-2007, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
P38 should be faster than fw190.
it has two engines so it should be twice as fast


loool.

have you considered the difference of the airframe not to talk about that the engines isnt the same. therefore they dont have same output.

sheesh. think a little about your question before you ask it.

just an advice sir. LMFAO