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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:39 PM
Well, I've been avoiding CEM for a while and want to start getting used to doing things for myself. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I sacrificed two buttons on my MSFFB2 for prop-pitch and am pretty sure I know how it's used, the problem is I need some approximate point of reference for how much is needed in situations like diving, climbing, etc.

Am I right to assume that prop-pitch is used to regulate strain on the engine from over revving? I suppose one should be trying to stay within their plane's optimal power band RPM's and getting a feel for the sound of the engine but perhaps some of you can describe how you personally use it in combat or non-combat situations for me?

Thanks

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:39 PM
Well, I've been avoiding CEM for a while and want to start getting used to doing things for myself. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I sacrificed two buttons on my MSFFB2 for prop-pitch and am pretty sure I know how it's used, the problem is I need some approximate point of reference for how much is needed in situations like diving, climbing, etc.

Am I right to assume that prop-pitch is used to regulate strain on the engine from over revving? I suppose one should be trying to stay within their plane's optimal power band RPM's and getting a feel for the sound of the engine but perhaps some of you can describe how you personally use it in combat or non-combat situations for me?

Thanks

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:00 PM
The best way I can describe it is shifting gears like in a race car.Downshift for turning and going up a hill,and upshift when diving and when going level.Keeping the rpm's of the engine in its powerband.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:26 PM
Bf-109 E (at the moment it's really the only a/c to worry about)

On Takeoff set PP to 100% - Go full throttle - Take-off!

As airspeed approached 250Kph RPM's will begin to increase.
You can climb nicely @ 250Kph. Watch the RPM and try to maintain around 2500 RPM.

2800 RPM in power climbs if you really need it - DO NOT exceed 3000 rpm.

During combat you can safely set Prop Pitch to around 60% and control the throttle. Someone is bound to argue with me on this point BUT try it out. Even in a power dive you can sett PP to 60% and then just decrease throttle to keep RPM at around 2500-2800. Setting PP too low will bleed speed and also delay your power-up for climbing out, so keep it stable and just worry about throttle.

Good Luck!

Also bear in mind that CEM is being reworked in the patch!

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 04:32 PM
JG5_UnKle wrote:
- Bf-109 E (at the moment it's really the only a/c to
- worry about)


Don't agree. Any German plane with an in-line can readily improve performance with manual proppitch (109s and 190 Dora). I even have increase/decrease prop-pitch mapped to my joystick in increments of 10% when I fly these planes and it really aids in throttle response, acceleration and climbing ability. You need to look at the RPMs when you first start but after awhile can "gauge" the appropriate RPM by how the engine sounds. Great stuff.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 07:48 PM
- ability. You need to look at the RPMs when you
- first start but after awhile can "gauge" the
- appropriate RPM by how the engine sounds. Great
- stuff.

Can you guys actually hear the engine? I have to look sideways to hear it.

Also, I'm not sure if it is my sound setup but I can hardly hear any difference in the engine/wind noise between when I'm flying at different speeds. I usually fly the K4. In IL2, I could tell without looking at gauges roughly how fast I was going. In FB sometimes the only way I can tell is when the plane starts shuddering from the high speed.




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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 07:54 PM
Re missing engine sound when looking forward - You could try selecting 'headphones' for your choice of speakers in the game options.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 07:56 PM
I'll give it a shot tonight. Thanks

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 08:23 PM
There is something missing thata real plane most likely has.I say thia because I find it hard to adjust the prop pitch smoothly.I leave throttle at max and just constantly move PP up and down to maintain rpms below 2400.Dont know how they did it back in those times but Im pretty sure you had many cues as to how your changes affect the power motor gives.

One of them is the sound of engine loaded/unloaded.In a race car,when you ease off the gas and at a certain point the motor stops pulling the car the sound of engine changes.Now in a plane when you nose down I would imagine that there is a sound change when the motor is unloaded due to the air passing it causing it to spin faster that the motor is trying to make it.Someone with plane experience can correct me here.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 08:57 PM
If sound cuts in FB, try 'reducung the quality' in the game set-up.

I used to loose sound a lot until I took it right down.
I still do, but it is not nearly as bad since taking sound quality down.

BTW - I always did use head-phones

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:28 PM
Oleg said that it was reversed and that it would be reworked in the patch. One thing I can suggest is to get another controller....a Nostromo, another stick, a throttle ...something else with a slider and some buttons where you can program some commands.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:39 PM
Hello Bearcat/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Yes reversed(due to translation issue) but he also said that it is only giving half of the props full pitch amount.So what we have now as full fine is only half way there.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 10:52 PM
Thanks for the responses. I was considering not bothering with CEM until the patch came out so I wouldn't learn improperly but I suppose the sooner the better and just adjust like everyone else.

some more questions, though...

Since there is no "feel" of acceleration and g-forces to go by, I get the feeling that when I lower my pitch that I'm also losing speed. Maybe this is just because the engine sound makes me think that I'm just cutting throttle.

So do you maintain speed (more or less) with coarser pitch? I would assume so but I'm not sure.

In level flight at full throttle would you go a bit faster with a %100 fine pitch?

Also, I would like to hear some of your suggestions on how much you personally adjust your pitch in, say, a dive or a climb and at what point do you start adjusting.

I'm sure much of this does come from experience but with a better understanding of the physics of it and a point of reference it will help it all to come together for me. Sort of like, it's one thing to know that the sky is blue but another to understand "why" it is so.

/cue tangential discussion on sky colour. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

cheers

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:08 PM
At full throttle, if you mantain 2500 rpm, then your using the right pitch setting. Just start a QM by yourself. Fly around doing climbs/dives, and play with the pitch. you'll get a hang of it after awhile. I can hear the rpm pretty good now, and hardly ever look at the tach anymore. From 50% to 100% with 5% steps. It's like an 11 speed transmission. Shift it just like you would your car, and keep the engine in it's rpm zone.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:39 PM
Thanks, BuzzU! Now which plane does that apply for, or is that pretty much a general rule of thumb (50%-100%) for all planes?

I'll give it a go tonight, wish me luck. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:44 PM
It works good on the 109's. Most all the Russian planes have a constant speed prop. You can't do much with those. Just leave it on 100%. Not much fun at all.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:45 PM
Why didnt they have rev limiters installed?

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 06:22 AM
Here's my cheat sheet:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Tailspin/index.htm

Go to the Air-Air Page

Go about 2/3 way down age to FB Air Charts (I think it's still marked new), gives all the specs for all the planes.

For instance, early IL-2s maxed out aty 2,100 rpm. Play with your pitch control a bit and You'll fins that's 90%. Later models were 2,000 rpm, which is 80%. Also tells you when to switch the turbocharger on each plane, best climb speed, etc.

And, yues it will tell you the servic ceiling of a Chaika is 11,000 meters (for tghose who read another post /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

I printed em out and keep em on my desk.

Hope that helps.

Aloha,

ttt

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