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darkhorizon11
10-18-2006, 04:28 PM
What do we expect with this thing? I'm familiar with most of the other Russian and German wunderwurgers but I've never really seen any performance spcs on this baby?

Sure she can take off vertically but what about combat? How fast? How high? What kind of engine? I'm sure It'll be great for turn and burn...

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10-18-2006, 04:31 PM
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darkhorizon11
10-18-2006, 04:33 PM
http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/helerche.html

Shame on me theres some info on it there, I wonder how the game version flies sinice it was modified in the sim beyond the specs since the original wouldn't even takeoff without a bigger engine.

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LEBillfish
10-18-2006, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:Sure she can take off vertically but what about combat? How fast? How high? What kind of engine? I'm sure It'll be great for turn and burn...

My Guess?.......Slow, high as any, no idea but will zuck fuel like a madman, and would bet it turns as well as a dart........The whole point I believe of it was simply vertical take off. Even Oleg mentioned how they had to make some serious changes from the real designs to simply get it to fly...What I really wonder is how it counteracts torque or was it 2 inline counter-rotating props?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-18-2006, 04:43 PM
Two DB-605s and two contra-rotating props.

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darkhorizon11
10-18-2006, 05:03 PM
According to the little blurb I found on Luft 46... 497mph which is darn fast, still not jet fast though.

But it will surely be a gas guzzler... I wonder if we can set up AI Lerches loaded with missiles but zero fuel and use them as SAM launchers?

That would be a pretty sweet deal!

FliegerAas
10-18-2006, 05:07 PM
I wonder how the wing had to be designed so this thing would fly. Are there any working planes with "ring-wings"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Arm_slinger
10-18-2006, 05:09 PM
I want to know how it physically flies! The 'wings' look ****, it's CoG looks buggered.

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F19_Olli72
10-18-2006, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by FliegerAas:
I wonder how the wing had to be designed so this thing would fly. Are there any working planes with "ring-wings"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Hmm this one was kind of 'working'. SNECMA C450 Coléoptère crashed on its 9th flight according to this source. But it had a jet engine.
http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/lib/VTOL.html#aerodyne
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http://jpcolliat.free.fr/xfv1/c450-1/c450_16.jpg

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10-18-2006, 05:31 PM
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AWL_Spinner
10-18-2006, 05:41 PM
Engineer Reiniger of the Heinkel company in Vienna started the design work on Febuary 25, 1945 and completed the design on March 8, 1945.

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JG53Frankyboy
10-18-2006, 05:51 PM
well, actually, with the "46"'Lerche the Maddox team built its own aircraft:

"Q: The Lerche for the '46 add-on presents one of most unique aircraft for FB. Were there any challenges incorporating it into the flight engine?

Yes. It is interesting story about modeling of this aircraft in our team. This is the only one aircraft in our sim with vertical take off and landing procedure. Would be better if I simply will show the part from readme of this add-on that explaining the problems of real project:
Heinkel Lerche III

We used the Heinkel Lerche II as the basis. However, after modeling the plane we?ve discovered serious deficiencies in design, and were forced to make many changes to make this plane suitable for combat. Modeled precisely to original specifications, this plane would never take off.

Correspondingly, we?ve made the following changes:

Increased the fuselage cross-section;
Installed more powerful supercharged engines;
Used the details of a captured Hs-132 prototype as the basis for the cockpit;
Replaced Hs-132?s landing gear well for an access hatch;
Installed oil and water radiators into the circular wing;
For take-off and landing stability, we?ve added automatic gas-powered control surfaces;
Changed the landing gear and tail unit shape (as originally designed, the plane would fall over).
I would say also that for some German and Soviet projects or prototypes we also was need to invest changes, but which were not changing the external design of aircraft itself or cockpits, comparing to changes we was need to make for Lerche. "

mynameisroland
10-18-2006, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
well, actually, with the "46"'Lerche the Maddox team built its own aircraft:

"Q: The Lerche for the '46 add-on presents one of most unique aircraft for FB. Were there any challenges incorporating it into the flight engine?

Yes. It is interesting story about modeling of this aircraft in our team. This is the only one aircraft in our sim with vertical take off and landing procedure. Would be better if I simply will show the part from readme of this add-on that explaining the problems of real project:
Heinkel Lerche III

We used the Heinkel Lerche II as the basis. However, after modeling the plane we?ve discovered serious deficiencies in design, and were forced to make many changes to make this plane suitable for combat. Modeled precisely to original specifications, this plane would never take off.

Correspondingly, we?ve made the following changes:

Increased the fuselage cross-section;
Installed more powerful supercharged engines;
Used the details of a captured Hs-132 prototype as the basis for the cockpit;
Replaced Hs-132?s landing gear well for an access hatch;
Installed oil and water radiators into the circular wing;
For take-off and landing stability, we?ve added automatic gas-powered control surfaces;
Changed the landing gear and tail unit shape (as originally designed, the plane would fall over).
I would say also that for some German and Soviet projects or prototypes we also was need to invest changes, but which were not changing the external design of aircraft itself or cockpits, comparing to changes we was need to make for Lerche. "

Why not model a version of the Fw 190 that flies like a fighter? Surely after realising that Kurt Tank didnt know how to make a fighter Oleg could have done a bit of a rehash job and made it like a German La5FN.

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marc_hawkins
10-18-2006, 07:25 PM
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/larch.htm

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darkhorizon11
10-18-2006, 08:56 PM
I can tell you why the Colipri or whatever it is didn't work... probably under powered and the control surfaces look too small.

WWMaxGunz
10-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Everything is an opening to b!tch.



Originally posted by mynameisroland:
Why not model a version of the Fw 190 that flies like a fighter?

There's a LOT of players who fly it as a fighter.
Maybe someday you can learn how.

tigertalon
10-18-2006, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
I'm sure It'll be great for turn and burn...

I'm sure it will be great for BnZ as it will surely outclimb anything due to its apparent thrust to weight > 1 ratio. It can climb straight up and accelerate while doing so.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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HayateAce
10-18-2006, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Everything is an opening to b!tch.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
Why not model a version of the Fw 190 that flies like a fighter?

There's a LOT of players who fly it as a fighter.
Maybe someday you can learn how. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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zbw_109
10-18-2006, 11:27 PM
Does it have any guns?
Wont it look strange seeing 4 sticks on a runway?
Will it burn like a Zero?
Will the DM involve smashing up the ring wing?
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zbw_109
10-19-2006, 01:16 AM
How the hell will it taxi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Karaya-X
10-19-2006, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by zbw_109:
How the hell will it taxi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

There's not need to taxi as it can take off vertically and thus does not need a runway to takeoff...

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10-19-2006, 02:23 AM
presumably they'd have to push them around, like giant shopping trolleys.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jamesdietz
10-19-2006, 11:16 AM
Takeoff will present few problems compared with landings which should make quite a few of us rich in our own side's ( Luftwaffe ) kills! What fun a backwards facing priscope or mirrors is going to be in figuring what to do to get this bird down in one piece!
I believe thats whay the several attempts in the 50's by the US in vertical take off & landing aircraft came to naught,with the exception of the Aurora Model kit versions that I built in 1958 with really nifty contra-rotating geared props , that worked flawlessly in my backyard aerial battles with friends who were stuck with last month's Aurora Lockheed F-90!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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darkhorizon11
10-19-2006, 04:15 PM
It actually looks pretty vulnerable and its best defense is to run when attacked, at least from the video 1c released...

It looks like a stable gun platform, quite the strong armament, it really dished out some punishment. On the other hand it doesn't deem to like battle damage to much...

triad773
10-19-2006, 04:33 PM
The comparison is unavoidable (to me):

sorry no Goole video of it, BUT for those who remember Monty Python...

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Philipscdrw
10-19-2006, 04:41 PM
I watched the video and thought "Oh poop, what's with the low-detail external model? The 'circular' wing is octagonal!". But it's meant to be like that.

Remember folks, the Lerche was a pet project by one of Oleg's developers (possibly one of the qualified aeronautical engineers, who could be quite justified designing real aircraft) - he built it because he wanted to, in his spare time (I think?), it's a bonus - very innovative and looks like a laugh to fly!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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zbw_109
10-23-2006, 03:20 AM
Hey? I wonder if the static Lerche will be upright or on a trailer?
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10-23-2006, 04:03 AM
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10-23-2006, 04:53 AM
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Bo_Nidle
10-23-2006, 06:18 AM
I have to admit that although the '46 concept leaves me a little cold I am looking forwards to flying the Lerche.

I always thought it was a cool design and wouldn't have looked out of place in a sci-fi film.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">



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Viper2005_
10-23-2006, 06:55 AM
It has the potential to be an absolute terror. It has a killer thrust:weight ratio, and is capable of post-stall manoeuvring (not that a wing of such low aspect ratio really stalls properly anyway.

Essentially the pilot will be able to simply point his nose at the enemy and shoot at it (with missiles!). It's the WWII equivalent of the MiG-29 OVT.

In fact somebody important said that they had to really cripple its AI to allow the player to compete against it offline.

I expect it to out-dogfight the +25 Spitfire. With ease.

OTOH it'll probably have fuel issues similar to those experience by the E.E. Lightning. And landings will be fun, especially on windy days!

stathem
10-23-2006, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
I expect it to out-dogfight the +25 Spitfire. With ease.


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Viper2005_
10-23-2006, 08:43 AM
I don't think they did - I haven't heard anything to suggest that they had the fuel for it. But given a load of TEL there's no particular reason why they couldn't have converted their Mk. IXs to operate at +25. All you've got to do is reset the ABC unit and make sure that the ground crew carry out regular engine inspections. When one considers the extensive local mods they produced during the war (including a few 2 seat Spitfire conversions) this sort of thing would have been well within their capabilities at Squadron level. It is often forgotten that back in the bad old days most airforces had a much more extensive manufacturing and maintenance capability than they do today, and weren't afraid to mod without reference to the manufacturer's destructions.

But anyway there's no law saying that we have to confine the wonder weapons to the Eastern Front is there?

stathem
10-23-2006, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
But anyway there's no law saying that we have to confine the wonder weapons to the Eastern Front is there?

I thought that would be the law of 'fairness of gameplay' of which we heard so much about when the +25lb Spit was being banned.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Viper2005_
10-23-2006, 09:56 AM
As I said at the time, you're more than welcome to your +25 Spitfire on the day they let me loose with my 262 or 162...

AWL_Spinner
10-23-2006, 10:21 AM
For VTOL fun I intend to try landing one on a moving carrier, a la a Royal Navy harrier.

Coming to a "hover stop" just off the port side and then transitioning to a precision vertical landing.

Although I don't hold out much chance of success given the limited view when your nose is pointing skyward - although this depends to some extent on where the cockpit view stops are in the model.

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stathem
10-23-2006, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
As I said at the time, you're more than welcome to your +25 Spitfire on the day they let me loose with my 262 or 162...

..and so we come the point where I say, well you're welcome to your 2 and 162s so long as I can have a Spit 14 or fully rated Tempest or P47M or...

which is all rather the point, this is an Eastern Front add-on and we won't (not that I'm asking for them, mind) be getting them.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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darkhorizon11
10-24-2006, 12:43 AM
Honestly I don't quite see how the Lerch flies...

It has a high thrust to weight ratio so it can lift off the ground, but since it has a circular wing, is it possible for it to create lift at a negative angle of attack?

Any ideas? I'm pretty adept at aerodynamics but I still don't quite understand the physics of horizontal flight with this thing short of using raw engine thrust to keep it flying...

Blottogg
10-24-2006, 01:07 AM
Things about the Lerche that make me go "hmmm...":

- Not to be defeatist, but how do you bail out? Standing above/in front of a 4000 hp Cuisinart seems to present a few problems. There?s a hatch at the pilot's feet, but an ejection seat seems out of the question.

- The fuel tank is in the extreme tail, and seems rather small. I don't know if the ring wing is "wet", but the aft tank would tend to make landing even more interesting. Low on fuel, and now the CG (real life, as the in-game CG is fixed) has shifted forward, making it more top heavy just when you want it least. And I would think the aft fuel tank will make the Lerche quite the Ronson when attacked from low aspect.

- It's armed with 2xMk108 IIRC, along the sides of the cockpit. Poor ballistics, but with the glazed nose, at least pulling proper lead will be easier.

- Landing should be easier than the US Pogo turboprops, at least from a visibility perspective. Instead of a conventional seat (albeit one that leaned forward for landing) and having to land looking over your shoulder/under your armpit like the US aircraft, the Lerche has a prone seating position. Checking high 6 O?clock will be a pain, but for takeoff/landing, the view will be the equivalent of looking at a courtyard over a balcony railing. The view shouldn't be a problem. Now the transition from wing to prop lift on the other hand...

- Attacking bombers with the guns would be bad. I don't think the glazing is armored, and that clear view nose will quickly become a clear view catcher's mitt.

- I'm wondering how the controls are set up. Oleg mentioned having to add "puffers" to augment the control surfaces in order to get enough control authority at slow speeds. Do the tail surfaces control pitch and yaw, or just roll? Are the ring flaps included to handle/augment pitch and yaw, or have they been left out? And pity the poor control rigger who has to make sure all those cables/pulleys/bellcranks/pushrods are connected correctly. That page of the tech manual must look like an 8086 circuit diagram.

- I don't know what the launch parameters for the X-4 are, but I'm assuming they've got to have some forward velocity in order to have enough control authority off the (very short) rail. Using them as SAM's (while an interesting idea) might be out. Are they modeled as aircraft, with their own flight model and control forces etc.?

- The idea of carrier ops is interesting. I think that this airplane will give creative mission makers all kinds of new options like that. Even if un-historical, it should be fun.

P.S. - Engine failure. As with most piston powered twins, the job of the second engine is to take the aircraft to the scene of the crash in the event of engine failure. In this case however, there won't be enough power to land "conventionally", and trying to belly land this thing would be fatal unless there's one heck of a rollcage incorporated into the nose glazing. So the bottom line would be that any engine damage will render the aircraft unrecoverable.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
10-24-2006, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by Blottogg:
Things about the Lerche that make me go "hmmm...":


Very good stuff. Some great points made. Its a great example of German desperation.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-24-2006, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by Blottogg:
Things about the Lerche that make me go "hmmm...":

- Not to be defeatist, but how do you bail out? Standing above/in front of a 4000 hp Cuisinart seems to present a few problems. There?s a hatch at the pilot's feet, but an ejection seat seems out of the question.

Check the 46 video for bailout footage.

- Attacking bombers with the guns would be bad. I don't think the glazing is armored, and that clear view nose will quickly become a clear view catcher's mitt.

It has an internal armoured windshield behind the perspex, similar to the Me-163

- I don't know what the launch parameters for the X-4 are, but I'm assuming they've got to have some forward velocity in order to have enough control authority off the (very short) rail. Using them as SAM's (while an interesting idea) might be out. Are they modeled as aircraft, with their own flight model and control forces etc.?

Luthier and RRG have trialled using the Lerche as a SAM battery and they worked in theory but couldn't manage to hit even lumbering TB-3.

P.S. - Engine failure. As with most piston powered twins, the job of the second engine is to take the aircraft to the scene of the crash in the event of engine failure. In this case however, there won't be enough power to land "conventionally", and trying to belly land this thing would be fatal unless there's one heck of a rollcage incorporated into the nose glazing. So the bottom line would be that any engine damage will render the aircraft unrecoverable.

Depending on how they've set it up, the engines drive a prop each. Lose one engine and prepare to spin like a top! (I hope).
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AWL_Spinner
10-24-2006, 03:48 AM
Luthier and RRG have trialled using the Lerche as a SAM battery and they worked in theory but couldn't manage to hit even lumbering TB-3.

Yeah but it would be a great addition to some late-40s/early-50s what-ifs to have SAM trails whizzing past you on an airfield attack!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ruy Horta
10-24-2006, 04:24 AM
Well '46 would have seen the operational use of at least a number SAM systems, of which IMHO the most interesting would have been the Wasserfall system.

This system seems to have many of the prerequisites of a modern SAM system.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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luftluuver
10-24-2006, 05:05 AM
Good idea Ruy. AA rockets instead of AA guns.

There was also the Taifun.

This was an unguided anti-aircraft weapon. It was a simple, 1.93m long, spin-stabilized rocket with a 0.5kg warhead. Taifun was accelerated to Mach 3+, and could reach altitudes up to 15000m. It was intended to fire salvos of 30 rockets. At the end of the war it was in mass production.

Willey
10-24-2006, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by WB_Outlaw:
Two DB-605s and two contra-rotating props.

--Outlaw.

Guess you're pwnd with one of them shot & seized then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

You could still fly, but land? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Willey
10-24-2006, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by FliegerAas:
I wonder how the wing had to be designed so this thing would fly. Are there any working planes with "ring-wings"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Probably it flies just on thrust... Lift could just come from special wing proportions or partial flap usage.

Willey
10-24-2006, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
I'm sure It'll be great for turn and burn...

I'm sure it will be great for BnZ as it will surely outclimb anything due to its apparent thrust to weight > 1 ratio. It can climb straight up and accelerate while doing so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly... whenever there's a server with all planes, I take a BI-1 to counter those jets - because of the climb rate. The Lerche will top this, although it's prop-driven. With a Vmax of 800km/h, it's close to the jets in terms of speed nevertheless (262: 830-870 depending on alt).

Willey
10-24-2006, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by zbw_109:
How the hell will it taxi http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Like a helicopter? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Willey
10-24-2006, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Remember folks, the Lerche was a pet project by one of Oleg's developers (possibly one of the qualified aeronautical engineers, who could be quite justified designing real aircraft) - he built it because he wanted to, in his spare time (I think?), it's a bonus - very innovative and looks like a laugh to fly!

It's probably the only ride you can take off while being vulched http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
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stathem
10-24-2006, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Willey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WB_Outlaw:
Two DB-605s and two contra-rotating props.

--Outlaw.

Guess you're pwnd with one of them shot & seized then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

You could still fly, but land? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You could still fly, in the manner that a helicopter with it's tail-rotor shot off can still fly.

I too am really looking forward to that aspect of the DM. In fact I may turn one of the engines off just to see what happens.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Willey
10-24-2006, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by alert_1:
This little VTOL bugger is nothing more then Oleg's little compensation for that all LW porked **** we have had so far delivered http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

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darkhorizon11
10-24-2006, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
Honestly I don't quite see how the Lerch flies...

It has a high thrust to weight ratio so it can lift off the ground, but since it has a circular wing, is it possible for it to create lift at a negative angle of attack?

Any ideas? I'm pretty adept at aerodynamics but I still don't quite understand the physics of horizontal flight with this thing short of using raw engine thrust to keep it flying...

?

zbw_109
10-25-2006, 05:04 AM
And also it looks like it would still have at least 40sq meters of wing area and it is preetty areodynamic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
10-25-2006, 06:44 AM
SHould be great fun to fly.

Cant wait to try it out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Double_A2006
10-25-2006, 08:19 AM
If the Lurch is going to be used as a SAM battery then I am going after it with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P9NvE_YPNc

And then Dropping this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLQiLX9SYo0&mode=related&search=


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blaze10001
02-15-2007, 01:56 AM
I found this out...

the X-4 missile was designed to shoot down bombers without going in the range of the bomber's guns which was about 1 km at the time and the X-4's range was about 4 km, it was a great idea but lucky for those bomber pilots it wasn't produced in time for it to be useful

P.S
oh yeah there was a TOW misssile launcher equivilant called the X-7 and was going to be used mostly against tanks

JerryFodder
02-15-2007, 06:28 AM
Frankly the lerche is a bit of a joke like the whole 1946 thing imho. Here we are pleading for flyable heavies and fundemental fighting aircraft like the griffon spitfires (which could've easily been modelled since the spit is already modelled!), sea fury, lancaster, halifax, defiant...........huge list of MIA for the RAF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif What do we get? Fictional fantasy rubbish. Sorry, but I think 1C lost the plot with this whole 1946 thing - they should've concentrated development into real aircraft and visual improvements like 6DOF and widescreen support.

It's all down to money I suppose.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-15-2007, 07:32 AM
I agree, in essence, with your post JerryFodder, but the fact remains that the '46 expansion wasn't intended to be a logical progression to the series. It was a whimsical, Russia-only, thing that was released to the rest of the world because we all piss-and-moaned about the possibility of not getting it.

Quite the contrary to your post, though, I say 1:C actually stepped up instead of dropping the ball. They didn't have to release this expansion tot he Western market, but they did.

Would I rather see a flyable heavy (i.e. Lanc, B-17, B-24, B-29)? How about a relevant, flyable torpedo bomber (i.e Devastator, Avenger, Kate)? Of course,without a doubt. But that doesn't make we resent them for being generous enough to give me what they had.

Regarding the Lerche, a few nights ago I had taken a short break from a popular server and in my short (5 min) vacation decided to kill some time in QMB. I flew both of the following scenarios:

1 Lerche (me) vs 4 ace Spit 25lbs

1 P-47D (me) vs 2 Ace Lerche's


I had a blast both times.

Just saying.



TB

BlitzPig_DDT
02-15-2007, 08:19 AM
Lerche rocks. Jets rock. '46 rocks.

Far better than the tired old boring stuff that you people moan about. We've got about a hundred prop planes, from the earliest stages of conflict, to the latest.

Different is good.

We could actually use more of this sort of thing too.

BaldieJr
02-15-2007, 10:09 AM
Hey no fair having fun!

darkhorizon11
02-16-2007, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I agree, in essence, with your post JerryFodder, but the fact remains that the '46 expansion wasn't intended to be a logical progression to the series. It was a whimsical, Russia-only, thing that was released to the rest of the world because we all piss-and-moaned about the possibility of not getting it.

Quite the contrary to your post, though, I say 1:C actually stepped up instead of dropping the ball. They didn't have to release this expansion tot he Western market, but they did.

TB


I couldn't agree more! Less whine more appreciation, talk is cheap, I flew the G.50 for the first time last week because I forgot it was flyable. This game has so much to offer...

I remember hearing years of whining for the Mosquito (which is one of my favorite planes btw), and expected to hear tons of praise and appreciation when it finally made it in 4.04... and there was literally nothing but silence.

Pirschjaeger
02-16-2007, 01:19 AM
I have to agree with you guys. I expected that once the Mosquito was released we'd start hearing "The mossie won teh war".

Well, it would have been a nice change. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif