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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:32 PM
I should not need to say this as it is probably preaching to the already converted, but I will say it (cause I could not think of any other intro) that IMHO IL2 & FB are probably the best flight sims currently on the market.

I read of LOMAC shortly to be released, and the hype and otherwise that surround this flight sim. There are lots of other Jet Sims out there for people to get their teeth into, both for the on-line communities and the single player markets

However, WW1 currently is the most poorly catered for era, with a dedicated Flight Sim, a time when (generally) honour and chivalry was at its height amongst the Knights of the Air.
Flying Corps Gold was a good sim for this era, and then Red Baron 2 was released shortly after, I think about 5 years ago, Since then nothing (I am aware of) has improved on these WW1 sims which whilst still enjoyable, are now very dated in their graphics and gameplay. We are missing a decent WW1 Flight Sim that has had "The Maddox Touch".

There is news of some Flight Sims to be released late this year/early next year by other companies.

http://www.aspectsimulations.com/Prod_KOE.htm
http://www.city-interactive.com/aces.html

but the graphics (ie Light and shading effects,ground definition, aicraft modelling etc) do not look as good from the screen shots as those now taken for granted in FB etc. Furthermore, will these advertised games contain mouse-pan, or compatability with TIR. If not then I will not be spending as it is these features that add to the realism of your games.

So now I go on one bended knee, two if needed, and on belly if essential, to Mr Oleg Maddox,
Once you have completed the patches/add ons whatever for FB (which we all still clamour for) :-

CAN YOU PLEASE CONSIDER BASING YOUR NEXT FLIGHT SIM ON WW1, USING THE SAME (or better as things develop) GRAPHICS/GAMEPLAY ENGINES AS FOR IL2 AND FB,

Better still, why wait till then, how about getting your development teams onto this now so we dont have to wait as long.

I think this is the only new game that will tempt me away from FB and the enjoyment I have had with it so far both as single player and in the Multiplayer environment.

Are there any other Flight Simmers out there that feel the same way ????

So What do you think Oleg.... Can Do???

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:32 PM
I should not need to say this as it is probably preaching to the already converted, but I will say it (cause I could not think of any other intro) that IMHO IL2 & FB are probably the best flight sims currently on the market.

I read of LOMAC shortly to be released, and the hype and otherwise that surround this flight sim. There are lots of other Jet Sims out there for people to get their teeth into, both for the on-line communities and the single player markets

However, WW1 currently is the most poorly catered for era, with a dedicated Flight Sim, a time when (generally) honour and chivalry was at its height amongst the Knights of the Air.
Flying Corps Gold was a good sim for this era, and then Red Baron 2 was released shortly after, I think about 5 years ago, Since then nothing (I am aware of) has improved on these WW1 sims which whilst still enjoyable, are now very dated in their graphics and gameplay. We are missing a decent WW1 Flight Sim that has had "The Maddox Touch".

There is news of some Flight Sims to be released late this year/early next year by other companies.

http://www.aspectsimulations.com/Prod_KOE.htm
http://www.city-interactive.com/aces.html

but the graphics (ie Light and shading effects,ground definition, aicraft modelling etc) do not look as good from the screen shots as those now taken for granted in FB etc. Furthermore, will these advertised games contain mouse-pan, or compatability with TIR. If not then I will not be spending as it is these features that add to the realism of your games.

So now I go on one bended knee, two if needed, and on belly if essential, to Mr Oleg Maddox,
Once you have completed the patches/add ons whatever for FB (which we all still clamour for) :-

CAN YOU PLEASE CONSIDER BASING YOUR NEXT FLIGHT SIM ON WW1, USING THE SAME (or better as things develop) GRAPHICS/GAMEPLAY ENGINES AS FOR IL2 AND FB,

Better still, why wait till then, how about getting your development teams onto this now so we dont have to wait as long.

I think this is the only new game that will tempt me away from FB and the enjoyment I have had with it so far both as single player and in the Multiplayer environment.

Are there any other Flight Simmers out there that feel the same way ????

So What do you think Oleg.... Can Do???

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:36 PM
cooobra !!!!! ur right, but maybe a patch can be released to alter FB into WW1 settings with WW1 planes,

should be very very nice

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:43 PM
I agree on the subject of having Oleg produce a WWI sim. I have often thought that it would be really cool to have "IL2" types of graphics in a WWI sim. Imagine coming straight at a spotting dirgible and have the ground crew trying to reel it in before you can shoot it down. All kinds of possiblities too. Imagine, no parachutes! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Can you land your plane before the fire reaches the cockpit. What about, after you "crash" land, then the sim could convert to a FPS game where you have to shoot your way back to friendly lines? Whoops, getting off subject here. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Jim

Hawgdog
07-18-2003, 02:46 PM
nope, the patch doesnt affect the very early models, any if at all.
What you can do, is make maps strictly for pre 1939 planes, the P-11, the I-16, 153, TB etc. Not what your after, no triplanes or sopwith camels, but still you get the feel of a carb plane and early design wings, fixed gear etc



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:51 PM
I would like to see a WWI flight sim too. One that utilizes all modern graphic technologies and flight models.

I am a big WWI plane fan and reguraly visit the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in NY state, USA. They have weekend airshows and fly vintage & reproduction WWI planes in these shows.

Check out thier site:
http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:52 PM
Nice one Trespa. Duuuuuuh Why did I not think of that.

Can this be done with FB as a future otion???

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 02:55 PM
sure why not ! and hawqdog: a WW1 sim is more then only old planes in FB,

if oleg can design flightmodels custom to aircraft well then build biplanes and triplanes and use the WW1 flightmodels on them.


hehe real nice

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fluke39
07-18-2003, 02:59 PM
IIRC there is a WW1 project being done for IL2 (FB?) although i know little more than the fact severl WW1 planes were being or going to be developed.
whether or not anymaps or other WW1 'stuff' was being developed i am not sure.
thinking about it - it has been a while since i heard anything about this project - i can't even remeber the website which was 'home' to this project either - if you type IL2 into google - i think it's on the first page that comes up somewhere -

i do hope this project is still alive as i agree with above posters a WW1 sim in FB or with FB's engine would be great fun -if i were a modeller i would do my but for it !

anyone know anything about the fate of this project?

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fluke39
07-18-2003, 03:02 PM
Whooaa hang on there

that was a silly mistake -i would certainly not go as far as to 'do my but' for a WW1 flight sim - in fact there are very very few things that i would 'do my but' for /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - maybe a million quid but thats about it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:44 PM
Cobra,

Absolutely agree. We need a new WW1 sim. Oleg's guys could do a great job. In the meanwhile, have you seen Kess's FULL CANVAS JACKET upgrade package for RB3D? It's a stunning piece of work and well worth the investment. Kess the the other peoplewho contributed to this project are all RB and WW1 flying fanatics.



Blutarski

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:08 PM
COME ON OLEG.

You can see there is some interest here. Hows about a comment from you or one of your team please.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 05:06 PM
I've been looking into the whole WW1 thing over the past couple of days.

I finally got RB3D to work (I bought the stupid version that can't install onto XP out of the box) and loaded up the Hell's Angel's Super patch. (http://www.jamrom.com/hellsangels/main.htm) I don't know if I've done it right, but after Il2/FB, it's just too primitive in every respect - FM, Damage, Graphics, Sound, the lot - to be playable for me. But I will contunue tinkering with addons and stuff to see what happens.


Full Canvas Jacket (http://www.wingwalkers.org/jasta1/newplmain.htm) looks like a very interesting project; hats off the the Red Baron Community for producing an outcome as impressive as this! But i think I've been spoiled by Il2, and we badly need a new product to come anywhere near Il2 standards..

I have had high hopes for the Birds of Prey project (http://www.wingswithwires.com/) for a long time. Good News They announced a Multiplay only early version for September. Bad news - Project is currently 'on hold' and as a purely amateur operation might remain that way indefinitely.


The Il2 WW1 project was a great idea, and would be my ideal way to get WW1 flying back onto the flight sim agenda. But it now looks like this is a very long term prospect:

From Pentallion, May 26th:
Things got pretty quiet for a while here. We are picking up steam again however. The biggest change is we are no longer aiming to be an addon for Forgotten Battles, but will aim for the next Maddox sim down the road. This will give us the time to get enough planes complete to do WW1 justice.
Right now, we are working on the Alb. D2, D3 and Dva. The Snipe. The Roland CII, the Camel, the N-17 and the N-11.
What we need are a couple of Allied two-seaters.
Preferably, the Sopwith Strutter being one of them. And of course, the Fokker D7. Unfortunately, we lost our modellor of the D7 and his model.


I am strongly considering picking up a copy of CFS2 and getting some WW1 addons (Amateur build, or Combat Aces (http://www.pcaviator.com/combataces.htm) to tide me over till something better comes along.

Finally, I recommnend http://www.wingsofhonour.com/ as a way of keeping an eye on the WW1 scene.

Blutarski - I take it you've played Full Canvas Jacket? Could you tell me a little about what you thought about it?

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 05:16 PM
I would love to see a new WWI sim from the like of 1:C Maddox as well.I can see it now...

"...I hate those servers that are nothing but Fokker D VII Quakefests!..."

I'd still take it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 05:16 PM
Mikeyg,


I have NOT yet had hands on experience with FCJ, Sorry to have fostered that misperception. I have only seen the screen shots and followed the forums. But various people over at Delphi Flight Sim Forum, which was the old main RB hang out, have done. They rave about it.

Several of the flight sim chat forums are carrying discussions about FCJ. Have not seen a single bad word yet.



Blutarski

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 05:23 PM
You can check out the various screenshots of the graphical improvmenets done to RB3D and Full Canvas Jacket at

http://promisedland.wingwalkers.org

Here a re few of the propaganda snips from the website:

- Individual photorendered cockpits for each of the flyable aircraft containing realistic instruments and correctly matching underside top wing colors puts you right in the middle of the action!

- Multiple installs included! you get a version of the full SP PL superpatch, a second install version geared for lower end machines and multiplayer play, along with extra add-in "tweaks" such as reduced flak effects, fog distance tweak, and more for better fine tuning of your game.

- Version 3.0 soundpack completely changes all the sounds in the game, Realistic flight and damage models paired with various tweaks to make the fighting more intense than ever, planes feel much more historically correct in their flight and damage aspects, the AI enemies will now give you a definite run for your money in campaign play. Also, Bomber/recon aircraft that have forward firing machineguns will use them!


Attention to historically accurate attrition of resources modeled for the Germans. as the war enters its last months some German units will begin receiving older model planes as replacements.

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Various game shell enhancements including a complete set of all new classical compositions created by Kessler that capture the atmosphere and mood of the period. Also included is PL's 2003 re-arrangement of the original 1990 Red Baron 1 theme!

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New Ace schemes for aces like Wolff, Gottsch, Von Tutschek, Von Greim, Mai, Konnecke, Muller, Gabriel, Neckel, and MORE!

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A vast amount of unit and ace color variety to all aircraft providing much more atmosphere in the game than ever before.

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Historically researched squad and ace schemes for faithful recreation of all planes in the game. Units and aces display the colors and markings shown in original photographs.

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New pilot pictures added for German, French, American, and British pilots based on historical photo's. Also, newly expanded name lists for German, French, British, and the Americans for more squad teammate name varieties.


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Includes several utilities and install variations for fine tuning your game for best performance with your system.

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Created for 3d use, the "Full Canvas Jacket" patch also works well in Direct Draw (with very few anomalies) We do recommend that you give the Glidos Glide wrapper a try if you are using an Nvidia based graphics card (TNT, Ultra TNT2, GeForce2, GF3, or GF4).

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Fully internalized patch, no need to figure out a sometimes complicated external program like Campaign Manager to use the PL Superpatch, just install and play!

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The "Full Canvas Jacket" Superpatch comes to you on CD in the mail and utilizes autostart technology, just load the CD into your computer and follow the simple instructions for quick and easy installation!

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 05:25 PM
Blutarski - Oh, OK, cheers. I thought it would be nice to hear how FCJ felt like when you were used to Il2. It's the sort of project I'd like to support.



Message Edited on 07/18/0305:26PM by mikeyg007

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 05:27 PM
A WWII sim would be sweet!

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Message Edited on 07/18/0305:28PM by papaboon

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 06:57 PM
I'd also like an Oleg-made WW1 sim, but those of us used to plowing through the sky in a overpowered aluminum killing machine with gobs of cannon or MG's will have a lot to relearn if the planes' FM and DM are modelled accurately

Hawgdog
07-18-2003, 10:16 PM
th666_Trespa wrote:
and hawqdog: a WW1 sim is more then
- only old planes in FB,

My brother, I feel your pain, however, I'd rather P.11 in FB, than anything in Redbaron! I only offered a partial scratch for the itch until something is out
Wings with Wires is either defunct or they ran out of money.
If an excellent...if a good WWI sim comes out, I'll be there, until then....I'll FB the oldies
~S~


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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 10:19 PM
Yeah, just get full canvas jacket. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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