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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:37 AM
Hey, I have noticed that if you lose your elevator controls in the 109 it seems like it always pulls your nose up. Wouldnt the elevators drop, pushing the nose down, or at least stay neutral? Come on aircraft mechanics out there someone should know.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:37 AM
Hey, I have noticed that if you lose your elevator controls in the 109 it seems like it always pulls your nose up. Wouldnt the elevators drop, pushing the nose down, or at least stay neutral? Come on aircraft mechanics out there someone should know.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 01:21 AM
It should do whatever it was last trimmed to do.


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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 02:34 AM
Its not pulling the nose up but instead plane is climbing due to speed.Cut throttle and it will eventually nose down at which point as it builds up speed it will start to climb again.

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 03:03 AM
After cables are cut trim should continue to work balancing forces in the elevator so you should be able to maintain some limited control with trim.

XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:02 AM
IIRC Trim dies when the elevators die /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:25 AM
if yr elevator cables are shot off the control surfaces are free to move, but they won't drop nor follow the trim, they'll simply waggle in the airstream, causing vibrations and the loss of manouverability of course...

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:15 AM
Actualy it is a good thing when the nose rises after elevator loss it might give you the needed hight to baill out!!

I have had my elavators shot off several times in Hurris and Bf109's and couldn't jump because off low altitude and couldn't rise the nose anymore so it is bye bye virtual pilot life!

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 12:58 AM
Seems like they get shot out way too easy and frequent. If it really happend that often it should have been modified to eliminate or slow the rate. About 80% of my losses in 109's are due to flight control cuts, a bit high.

XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 01:18 AM
When you've got cannon shells exploding against a stressed skin, the amount of shrapnel and bits of fuselage flying about is quite large, so I'd say you had a good chance of getting your cables cut.


BfHeFwMe wrote:
- Seems like they get shot out way too easy and
- frequent. If it really happend that often it should
- have been modified to eliminate or slow the rate.
- About 80% of my losses in 109's are due to flight
- control cuts, a bit high.
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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 05:58 AM
Unless the control surface is jammed, trim could be used to maintain some pitch/airspeed control. In addition, the chances that BOTH the up AND down cables were cut at teh same time is somewhat slim, and in this scenario by trimming excessivelly in one direction you could compensate for the single cut cable and have full control authority. Again. . .a Jammed surface is another matter, and in this case trim would do nothing, and having one cable intact would also do nothing.

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XyZspineZyX
06-20-2003, 06:21 AM
Who needs the elevators anyway, LOL? I went on fighting last night after losing the cables...amazing what you can do with the rudder and ailerons. I didn't try to land it, but I could still do high speed passes on a slower plane and scored some hits. Turn time was pretty awful of course. I'm going to see if I can land it next time. It will be coming in hot, that's for sure.