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The190Flyer
02-18-2005, 01:27 PM
I was wondering if anybody was running Linux, I have been looking into it more and more lately, because I am sick and tired of Microsoft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
If you are what distro are you running?? Fedora, Mandrake, etc.... serious input would be appreciated! Plus it would be more secure than any windows OS.

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MaxMhz
02-18-2005, 01:33 PM
Take a look at http://www.knoppix.com/
This is a Linux-On-CD (Bootable) and based on Linux Debian version.

Works great over here.

It has helped me several times on a system crash http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I'm not running the game on Knoppix though.

NorrisMcWhirter
02-18-2005, 02:09 PM
Hi,

I second Knoppix as a starting point; there are also some Gnome versions that a bootable from CD if you don't like KDE. Knoppix worked flawlessly on my desktop and laptop although my mate had some trouble with his 'Nathan Barley' Sony Vaio laptop.

I'm surprised you are fed up of Microsoft; IMO, XP was the nail in the coffin of Linux as a serious contender in the average PC user OS department. People I knew were seriously considering moving to Linux (including myself) just before they realised that XP was as stable as it is. OK, so it has security issues but that can be largely overlooked with a decent firewall and choice of alternative browser.

Cheers,
Norris

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
02-18-2005, 02:25 PM
I have played around with linux for some time myself (although have never realy had the resources or necessity to put it too any good use) I have been dual booting with XP and SuSe linux now for a couple of years and find they live quite happily on the same pc together.

I would say that linux prolly has more of a reputation for stability rather than security as the only real reason linux has stayed 'secure' is that it hasn't been popular enough on the mass market to warrent any serious virus attacks (although this is sadly starting to change as more people experiment with it as a desktop alternative)

here are two distro's I have played with recently

http://dynebolic.dyne.org/

and

http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/index.html?sourceidint=productsmenu_linuxprofessio nal

Good luck if nothing else it will prove a fun / frustrating/ enlightening experience which I hope you will enjoy

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FI-Aflak
02-18-2005, 07:35 PM
Gentoo Linux.

Hands down best distro I've run.

Install is tough, though, you should have a friend to help you.

Anywho, Gentoo is bleeding edge. It recompiles everything to meet your exact hardware, so it is literally the fastest *nix OS you can install on your machine. Once you finish the install, upkeep, updates, installation of programs is all very very easy. It has a feature "emerge" that will download a given program and all needed dependencies, compile and install it for you. Its amazing. Once its up its the easiest one to use that I've seen.

They have very detailed installation guides so if you have a second computer to read from during the install you are probably good to go by yourself.

Its a great OS. Love it.

BaldieJr
02-18-2005, 08:39 PM
I'm gonna go with Gentoo also. Its a good distro to cut your teeth on. Redhat/Mandrakes/Redhat clones are for people who need a support contract (corporations mainly).

If you are looking for an alternative OS (not a New Religion) I wouldn't recomend linux at all. Look into freebsd. I made the jump from slackware to Freebsd 3 years ago and never looked back. I introduced freebsd to my coworkers when I first joined the team... they had redhat on anything that would run it. 6 months later: no redhat anywhere. As a matter of fact, we stopped buying Sun servers and now deploy Dells with our own FreeBSD.

Its good stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

han freak solo
02-19-2005, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I'm gonna go with Gentoo also. Its a good distro to cut your teeth on. Redhat/Mandrakes/Redhat clones are for people who need a support contract (corporations mainly).

If you are looking for an alternative OS (not a New Religion) I wouldn't recomend linux at all. Look into freebsd. I made the jump from slackware to Freebsd 3 years ago and never looked back. I introduced freebsd to my coworkers when I first joined the team... they had redhat on anything that would run it. 6 months later: no redhat anywhere. As a matter of fact, we stopped buying Sun servers and now deploy Dells with our own FreeBSD.

Its good stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So Red Hat is a waste of time? I was thinking of installing 7.2 that came with my latest school book.

BaldieJr
02-19-2005, 07:02 PM
If you need it for your studies, or some work-related task, by all means, use it.

But if you are looking to do away with one OS for another, and you'll do more than install it (most don't), try freebsd. Its a much cleaner/saner unix and its very well documented. Buy a copy of the CDs with the FreeBSD handbook and you'll have almost everything you need.

FI-Aflak
02-19-2005, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I'm gonna go with Gentoo also. Its a good distro to cut your teeth on. Redhat/Mandrakes/Redhat clones are for people who need a support contract (corporations mainly).

If you are looking for an alternative OS (not a New Religion) I wouldn't recomend linux at all. Look into freebsd. I made the jump from slackware to Freebsd 3 years ago and never looked back. I introduced freebsd to my coworkers when I first joined the team... they had redhat on anything that would run it. 6 months later: no redhat anywhere. As a matter of fact, we stopped buying Sun servers and now deploy Dells with our own FreeBSD.

Its good stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So Red Hat is a waste of time? I was thinking of installing 7.2 that came with my latest school book. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, RedHat is a waste.

If you insist on linux go with Gentoo, slakerware, etc.

I'd recommend Gentoo, but we already went over that.

No experience with FreeBSD.

HellToupee
02-19-2005, 08:10 PM
Debian > *

diomedes33
02-19-2005, 11:19 PM
I've been switching between different distributions for 15 or so years. I'm running Mandrake right now, although I've installed so many different kernels and non-mandrake packages I don't know if you could still call it that. Before this I used debian for quite a while.

I really liked slackware back in the day. Last time I installed it though it seemed like it was quite a bit behind the times.

I've had nothing but bad experiences with Redhat. I can never get them to work well. What finally turned me completely off was the last time I installed it, they "forgot" to link a lot of the shared libraries so nothing worked. I finally got it to run XWindows after creating a lot of links. After that I gave it the bird and installed Debian.

Its funny, I learned recently that the Mandrake Distro is based on Redhat, but I've never had any problems that a kernel rebuild won't fix.

I'll have to check out gentoo, I'm starting to feel the urge to whipe my system clean again.

What are some distros that are good for the more experienced? I've been out of the loop.

schurem
02-20-2005, 08:12 AM
Ubuntu is my favorite flavor, it's much like knoppix and has the easiest install of any linux i have ever met. Its a 'son of debian'.
Linux beats windows for me because of the far superior word processing i can do on it. I have a windoze box for gaming and fun, and (this) ubuntu running laptop for writing, reading and enjoying media.

Aaron_GT
02-20-2005, 12:10 PM
Knoppix is an excellent start. There are also live CD editions of commercial distributions, notably SuSE and Mandrake. You can also install Knoppix to your hard drive if you like it AFAIK.

Currently I run SuSE 9.1 but this will no longer be available for download so I may swap to Gentoo when 2005.0 arrives. I wouldn't recommend a current Gentoo to a newbie - I have 15 years of UNIX experience and even I think the current Gentoo install process is a pain-in-the-***. However my system admin at work runs Gentoo at home on the same base installation (just updating when required) for three years.

Cedega and/or Cross over office might also be worth a look if you want to replace Windows totally. I'm going to keep Windows as it does make gaming easier, plus I like to run Cubase and don't want to have a Mac around just for that (although the Mac Mini is tempting!)

Aaron_GT
02-20-2005, 12:11 PM
"Its funny, I learned recently that the Mandrake Distro is based on Redhat, but I've never had any problems that a kernel rebuild won't fix."

It was originally, but I don't think there is any relationship now. CentOS is Red Hat based, though.

Aaron_GT
02-20-2005, 12:13 PM
" People I knew were seriously considering moving to Linux (including myself) just before they realised that XP was as stable as it is. OK, so it has security issues but that can be largely overlooked with a decent firewall and choice of alternative browser."

It's stable enough for a home OS when rebooting every day is reasonable. Actually I've found Win 2k runs better long-term than XP.

269GA-Maxmars
02-20-2005, 12:38 PM
SuSE Linux (Novell) is quite easy to use, install and has a nice set of apps.

Eval version (1 DVD):
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/eval.html

Eval version is a full featured product.

Live Eval version (1 DVD):
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/live_eval_int.html

Live Eval is a version that can run off your DVD without installing anything.

I'd say go for the Eval skipping the Live Eval.

Jumoschwanz
02-20-2005, 02:32 PM
I have Suse 8.1 dual booted with windows 2000. After Suse 8.1 Novell bought them out and Suse became another tool of the establishment.

I have every version of windows lying around and I never paid for one. Just picked them up at thrift shops and from others who gave me the iso for them, etc. If I could run Il2 on linux I would not use window at all much.

Grab any linux distro you can find. It doesn't matter if it is an older one as you can just recompile it with the latest kernel anyway. If you run linux study it and take the time to learn how to hack it and you can make any distro into your own, or just make your own from scratch. I have some free bsd that I have put on some rigs too, the latest versions that I downloaded on a friends broadband. There is nothing wrong with free bsd at all. But Linux is getting big and it is becoming very versatile and is a good thing to learn. It is becoming a universal OS of sorts. Mac osx is linux based and is compatible with just about any linux software with a bit of work. Put the linux on a spare rig and get used to it, then you can set up a dual boot linux/windows system so you can still run the flight sims. S!

Jumoschwanz

OldMan____
02-20-2005, 05:54 PM
I just have windows for playing FB+ACE+PF.. and ONLY for that. If it was linux native I would remove the windows partition from my HD.. and send half year of my payment to Oleg as reward http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.. well maybe not half.. but half of what is left after paying bills http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


In work I have to use both XP and Linux.. oo GOd.. I would be so happy to burn that XP install. It reboots, looses track of huge amounts of memory.. slow down.. 4 to 6 times a day when doing heavy work stuff. While on linux nothing wrong ever happens... I am 3 times more productive on linux, find it more intuitive, more ergonomic etc.. And I hate a system that keeps loosing performance after it is running for many hours... it is ridiculous!

I run 5 Linux machines currently... using Fedora Core 2 and Core 3, Slackware and Suse 9. If you have time.. try the slackware or Gentoo (the fastest desktop OS around..but takes hours to compile every bit of code speciallly to your PC).


Just a hint to 1C.. think on a linux version to BoB.. it is worth the effort if you think on it from beggining and avoid too many dependencies. I know lots of linuxers (including me) that bought Doom3 only because it runs on linux... they don't even play it.. they just buy because they wanna support who supports them. I have Doom3, NeverWinterNights, UT2003 ..and bought all 3 only because they run on linux...

Btw.. don't wanna give first IL2 game code to me to port it on future? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MOH_SKID.
02-20-2005, 07:46 PM
I keep my XP box as a gaming rig only. Kinda like a really big (read expensive) version of an X-Box. Everything else (email, programming, doc-writing, whatever) is done on one of five Mandrake-powered PCs. I picked Mandrake because it was the first distro that just *worked* out of the box, so I stuck with it.

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Skid

JG6_Oddball
02-20-2005, 08:12 PM
All my machines run man10.0 with 2 duel boots for gameing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I have suse pro 9.1 around here some where that I have not tryed yet. I love linux and could never go back to windows. There are some people who have gotten IL2 to run on linux (see the link with screen shots)
http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3322

As for a new user I recommend mandrake , it was the easiest install I have ever encountered.
linuxiso.org

S!

WTE_Galway
02-20-2005, 10:14 PM
we where running redhat on a few servers but the lack of security updates means we are looking for a replacement

i like linux personally but do not see linux as a replacement for "mum and dad and kids" home pc's.. it really requires you drop out to a prompt far to often for use by computer illerates

BelaLvgosi
02-20-2005, 10:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 269GA-Maxmars:
SuSE Linux (Novell) is quite easy to use, install and has a nice set of apps.

Eval version (1 DVD):
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/eval.html

Eval version is a full featured product.

Live Eval version (1 DVD):
http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/live_eval_int.html

Live Eval is a version that can run off your DVD without installing anything.

I'd say go for the Eval skipping the Live Eval. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.html

Hey, the full professional version is free to download now, you just don't get the same novell support as with the bought version. Look for SUSE-Linux-9.2-FTP-DVD.iso in the mirrors (it's the complete ftp version in a dvd), this iso has both the 32 and 64 bit version.

HansKnappstick
02-21-2005, 02:19 AM
Suse Linux 9.1 here, great for people still addicted to Windows.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
I second Knoppix as a starting point; there are also some Gnome versions that a bootable from CD if you don't like KDE. Knoppix worked flawlessly on my desktop and laptop although my mate had some trouble with his 'Nathan Barley' Sony Vaio laptop.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, Knoppix is very good for trying Linux out.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I'm surprised you are fed up of Microsoft; IMO, XP was the nail in the coffin of Linux as a serious contender in the average PC user OS department. People I knew were seriously considering moving to Linux (including myself) just before they realised that XP was as stable as it is. OK, so it has security issues but that can be largely overlooked with a decent firewall and choice of alternative browser.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Norris, XP is quite stable. But it is just the least bad version of Windows. Linux however is even more stable, and besides I like to know what runs on my computer, and it is not the case with MickySoft products.

OldMan____
02-21-2005, 03:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
There are some people who have gotten IL2 to run on linux (see the link with screen shots)
http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3322

As for a new user I recommend mandrake , it was the easiest install I have ever encountered.
linuxiso.org

S! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



How the hell ???!!! I wanna Do that too!!! I would even buy a new Athlon 64 and 2 GB DDR only to compensate for any loss on performance of any method that may requires to be used!!!

Werre_Fsck
02-21-2005, 03:30 AM
My gaming machine is pure Win2K, but I run debian in the toying machine/mail server.
At work, it's all debian for desktop and laptop, red hat and debian for servers, SuSE for some desktops and knoppix for troubleshooting windoze problems.

OldMan____
02-21-2005, 03:38 AM
Ok.. I gave a look at it. I tryed WineX long time ago. It looks much better now.. but I would like to find a demo of Cedega to be sure it works before buying it.

Aaron_GT
02-21-2005, 02:48 PM
"we where running redhat on a few servers but the lack of security updates means we are looking for a replacement"

You could look at White Box Enterprise Linux (currently at 3, will soon be at 4).

Philipscdrw
02-21-2005, 03:12 PM
So... what do you actually use a Linux computer for? I use my PC for games, internet, email, and work, in approximately that order, and 'work' consists of document-writing, and occasionally web-page-making and C++-compiling. I'm on XP and to my knowledge it hasn't crashed in the last 5 months, which is when I got this PC. Sometimes the software I'm running will crash, but I tend to standby the PC when I'm not using it so it can stay running for days, and a quick restart restores stability.

I can see the application for Linux for running internet servers, because (I assume) there's less superficial f√¬¶ces running in the background - but my imagination fails me beyond that point.

JG6_Oddball
02-21-2005, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted Mon February 21 2005 14:12
So... what do you actually use a Linux computer for? I use my PC for games, internet, email, and work, in approximately that order, and 'work' consists of document-writing, and occasionally web-page-making and C++-compiling. I'm on XP and to my knowledge it hasn't crashed in the last 5 months, which is when I got this PC. Sometimes the software I'm running will crash, but I tend to standby the PC when I'm not using it so it can stay running for days, and a quick restart restores stability.

I can see the application for Linux for running internet servers, because (I assume) there's less superficial f√¬¶ces running in the background - but my imagination fails me beyond that point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

windows=IL2 linux=everything else! Documentation, cd-burning,FTP,E-mail, il2 skinmaking,internet research,graphics editing,media of all types (watch/edit), run/compile mysql DB's, servers (game/voice).

The biggest thing I get from linux is peace of mind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ...along with umpteen billion prog's.

S!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
02-21-2005, 06:51 PM
Yup pretty much what he said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

JG6_Oddball
02-21-2005, 07:05 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
Now this is a PUUUURRRDY desktop http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/screenshots/mdk91-scr2.jpg

raisen
02-21-2005, 07:09 PM
I started as a SCO unix support engineer. Customers were having trouble justifying the cost of licenses though, and rather than lose those guys, talked the company I worked for into evaluating RedHat. The only problem was that we didn't officially even do that until version 5.2.

Almost all of the newer distro's are great. Make sure to follow all instructions to the letter if doing multiboot though. If you accidentally blat your hard disk mbr you can finf yourself in a bit of a bind. Keep your bootdisks up to date just in case.... And have fun... welcome to Unix.

HellToupee
02-21-2005, 08:31 PM
knoppix is good for trying out linux also good for your permant install, it can be installed to harddisk and has an easy to follow installer with things like qtparted for disk partitioning. Once installed its no longer knoppix but debian. Due to my lazy nature i know use it for debian desktop installs over their crappy installer.

msalama
02-22-2005, 12:08 PM
I've used Linux at work a lot. It's a good (better?) alternative to many commercial UNIXen when/if you can get the job done with PC hardware.

I used to have Debian installed at home too, but junked it because I didn't really use it. But if IL-2 was available for Linux... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Metlushko
02-27-2005, 08:50 AM
I run Mandrake Linux 10.1 for everything except for some games. Nvidia makes great drivers for linux, I get pretty darn good performance with games that run both natively on linux (UT2004 with the Red Orchestra Mod for example) and using Cedega (World of Warcraft). I recommend Mandrake for beginners, the installation is much like Windows, pretty straightforward. After you get comfortable with it you can try other distributions, I did but came back to Mandrake because it is simple and filled all my needs.