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Wildnoob
07-20-2009, 08:59 AM
hello!

I conduct a pretty interesing test last nigth. set in quick mission 16 ace LA-5FN's while was flying a lone Do-335.

altitude was 2000 meters. I came head on against then, but immedetely dive to not get much close and gain energy, obtain more them 700km/h with it. so trim the plane and start to fly on deck. surprisly, well, perhaps not so much historically, the LA-5s didn't manage to caugth me, I manage to outrun then. no much but outrun them, and soon reach my front line and as we know, the they can't stick around much longer because there low fuel suply. while the Do-335 have a range of 2.050 km with internal fuel and 3750 with drop tanks, though we don't have them, so our Do-335 range is 2.050. while the LA-5 has 765 km. still pretty superior.

know, it's just AI, but when I try do the same with the BF-190 and the FW-190 is was just a matter of momment to they get in my tail and open fire. as at least me rarely find the Do-335 online, was wondering if this can be done against human players. would risk to say an AI ace in terms of speed should be take in consideration.

by the way:

"French ace Pierre Clostermann claims the first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern Germany, he intercepted a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot reversed course to evade. Despite the Tempest's considerable speed, the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-335

by your experience folks, it's possible to obtain sucess by doing this against human players?

also, I know that as a late war aicraft should had been used the LA-7, and gonna do this, but don't have time now, later will make a trial against it.

thefruitbat
07-20-2009, 09:03 AM
human players will open up from much farther away, and you have a very vunerable engine at the rear, if that goes, they will soon reel you in.

Wildnoob
07-20-2009, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by thefruitbat:
human players will open up from much farther away, and you have a very vunerable engine at the rear, if that goes, they will soon reel you in.

thank you for your reply!

hmm

well, somewat would disagreed a little.

when I do this with the FW-190, they caugth me, but as had came from a high speed dive, take some time until they have could close the distance. logic that's because their engines are almost equal, while being the Do-335 more faster wouldn't doubt about it. the LA-5FN and the Tempest are almost equal in speed in low level and the Do-335 manage to outrun the Tempest in that situation. when obtain high speed, this could have be done by enter in a high speed dive. of course, this is not a generalization that in all cases the Do-335 would be able to do this, but if the Pfeil pilot manage to obtain high speed, their chances grow a LOT.

altough gonna search for a only server to test it, as soon as possible, but keep posting your opinions if you like folks.

Jaws2002
07-20-2009, 09:17 AM
I don't think La-5FN can catch the Dornier on the deck, but I know that at higher altitudes (5000-7000m), Pfeil will easily dominate the fight.
The only real disadvantage of the Dornier is visibility out of the cockpit.

Wildnoob
07-20-2009, 09:24 AM
"The first 10 Do 335A-0s were delivered for testing in May. By late 1944, the Do 335A-1 was on the production line. This was similar to the A-0 but with the uprated DB 603E-1 engines and two underwing hardpoints for additional bombs, drop tanks or guns. Capable of a maximum speed of 763 km/h (474 mph) at 6,500 m (21,300 ft) with MW 50 boost, or 686 km/h (426 mph) without boost, and able to climb to 8,000 m (26,250 ft) in under 15 minutes, the Do 335A-1 could easily outrun any Allied fighters it encountered. Even with one engine out, it could reach about 563 km/h (350 mph)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-335


and our Do-335 is the 0, witch don't feature boost...

Wildnoob
07-20-2009, 09:29 AM
"on 16 April 1945. It was captured by allied forces at the plant on 22 April 1945. The aircraft was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51s. The Do 335 was easily able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 minutes before"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

* from the same source above.

thefruitbat
07-20-2009, 09:51 AM
in game the boosted p51c easilly catches the do-335 below 4000m.

When the do-335 first came out, i shot them down easilly in a p51cm online.

In a straight line the do-335 wii easilly outstrip a la5fn, my point earlier was that eventually online, if you are outrunning someone at sealevel, someone will come swooping down with an extra speed advantage.

If i was flying the do-335, i would fly above 5000m, from where it is untouchable by allied planes all the way up, nothing that i know of in the allied plane list is as quick as far as i know, inclueding 51's and 47's. It goes without saying that i would keep it fast, very fast at all times, never turning and using bnz.

fruitbat

berg417448
07-20-2009, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Wildnoob:
"on 16 April 1945. It was captured by allied forces at the plant on 22 April 1945. The aircraft was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51s. The Do 335 was easily able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 minutes before"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

* from the same source above.

The cruise speed of the Do-335 was very high. Much higher than the Mustang's. In this particular case the "escorting" Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruise further but it wouldn't have mattered. The Do-335 cruise speedwas simply much faster.

Wildnoob
07-20-2009, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wildnoob:
"on 16 April 1945. It was captured by allied forces at the plant on 22 April 1945. The aircraft was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51s. The Do 335 was easily able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 minutes before"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

* from the same source above.

The cruise speed of the Do-335 was very high. Much higher than the Mustang's. In this particular case the "escorting" Mustangs were equipped with drop tanks which limited their cruise further but it wouldn't have mattered. The Do-335 cruise speedwas simply much faster. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh, sorry, didn't want to make exaggerations regarded to the aicraft's performance!

absolutely surprisely anyway, thanks for had correct me about this!

Wildnoob
07-20-2009, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by thefruitbat:
in game the boosted p51c easilly catches the do-335 below 4000m.

When the do-335 first came out, i shot them down easilly in a p51cm online.

In a straight line the do-335 wii easilly outstrip a la5fn, my point earlier was that eventually online, if you are outrunning someone at sealevel, someone will come swooping down with an extra speed advantage.

If i was flying the do-335, i would fly above 5000m, from where it is untouchable by allied planes all the way up, nothing that i know of in the allied plane list is as quick as far as i know, inclueding 51's and 47's. It goes without saying that i would keep it fast, very fast at all times, never turning and using bnz.

fruitbat

thanks for your reply also mister thefruitbat!

yeah, it's more for curiosity, know that use the altitude is the key to victory with this plane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but was also thinking in the ground attack role, when you are low, attacking targets and can have a advantage to desingage using the speed rather then climb, as sometimes it's not possible to do it and you may get in big trouble if a possible high cover fligth don't come fast to support you. with the Do-335 you would have more freedom in relation to that let's say.

berg417448
07-20-2009, 10:31 AM
IIRC, the Do-335 had a top cruise speed of over 400 mph so even without tanks the Mustangs would have been left far behind.

Bremspropeller
07-20-2009, 11:31 AM
Make sure you have the 1000kg egg fused to two seconds http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

mortoma
07-21-2009, 05:55 AM
Even as low as 2000 meters, the 335 can outrun the LA-7 by 20kph. And much higher fuhgeddaboudit.

VW-IceFire
07-21-2009, 04:43 PM
Online I've found the Do-335 faster than anything except a jet at low altitude. Its supremely fast and because the torque is counteracted its straight and steady too.

The La-5FN versus other types is sort of the same as the Do-335 except its not quite as easy to hold steady. A FW190A series on the deck would be hard pressed to escape a FN model La-5. The D-9 1945 with MW50 should be almost identical to a La-7 and close with a La-5FN. Whoever flies better or has more energy to spend in accelerating to maximum speed can make up the difference its so close there.

In all of these cases the German types should take to the middle altitudes where the La-5FN and La-7 run out of steam rather quickly.

Ba5tard5word
07-21-2009, 05:52 PM
Yeah a Do-335 goes like 400kph at sea level and a La-5FN goes around 380 kph tops IIRC.

A La-7 is quite a bit faster and would be a closer match.

All you have to do is look at Hardball's Aircraft Viewer and see what each plane can outrun.