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Osiris2000ru
11-24-2009, 03:38 AM
I have played AC2 a little and it is ver-very good. Gamplay is faster, story is more complex. Nice work!

Ihe only thing i did't like in AC 2 (i have played XBox 360 version) is the graphic that at some points are not as good as in AC1. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
It is seems to me, that shaders are not so complex. There is no more "feel" of real sun and shadows.
Textures in the game have less resolution that in AC1. Walls of bealdings is much more like plastic.
And of course, main characters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif It seems like there is no more clothe-simulation while moving. Again, shaders are more simplier. Models are less polygonal ((

The game frese a little while in map-mode (((

I can easily anderstand why are graphics is worse: new glow effects, more peaple in frame, more animation...and the same hardware. It is sad ((

Hope i can see better graphics in PC version.

About AC3 - good luck in finding the new golden mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

kew414
11-24-2009, 03:42 AM
I thought the graphics were better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Even if they aren't, they're still AMAZING.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had a little bit simpler textures - they did have a lot more textures and a far larger area to create, after all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

AetosEagle
11-24-2009, 04:22 AM
Cinematic graphics were terrible... *SPOILER* The bit when Ezio gets stabbed at the end, when the screen goes all blurry, I thought I was playing a PS2 game. Literally the cinematic effects were just terrible in that sequence. *END OF SPOILER*

Cornik22
11-24-2009, 06:01 AM
I know what you mean. The game looks fantastic, but whenever someone starts talking they look like robots (it goes to the point where when you stab some people to death they don't even open their mouths). Compare their facal expressions and animations with Uncharted 2.

caswallawn_2k7
11-24-2009, 06:15 AM
the textures and model quality are actually quite good, some of the lip sync actually looks ok, but the main problem is the shadow and lighting map's they are making some of the textures look really bad more so on the faces were the shadows often overpower the actual model/texture.

Silhouelle
11-24-2009, 09:26 AM
There is no more "feel" of real sun and shadows.
I thought this too, then I lowered the ingame brightness from 6/10 to 5/10. Makes night time actually feel like nighttime, if you go into an alley with no lights, you can barely see anything. Made my game much more enjoyable, for whatever reason. ^^;

As for graphics, I thought they were fine aside from facial animations on some chars. Considering the scope of the cities though, I couldn't care less about those minor details - but then again I don't care all that much about graphics in the first place... hrm, anyhoo.

PlagueDoctor357
11-24-2009, 09:34 AM
Graphics on this game is better than the first your just used to a holy land sun and not such a colorful game.

The face animations on Ezio are probably so high it's dumb.

As I remember Altairs face when he would show his teeth in an angry face while he stabbed some one, the animations looked amazing.

So I can only assume they just added on to those animations. Maybe everyone else looks bad but im sure his face animations are amazing in game.

Im not seeing this blurry thing people are talking about, although the hands on the game are HORRIBLE.

Zackebacke
11-24-2009, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by AetosEagle:
Cinematic graphics were terrible... *SPOILER* The bit when Ezio gets stabbed at the end, when the screen goes all blurry, I thought I was playing a PS2 game. Literally the cinematic effects were just terrible in that sequence. *END OF SPOILER*
Wow, thanks. Do you really think it's physicly possible to react and stop reading that quickly?

Atkamon
11-24-2009, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Zackebacke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AetosEagle:
Cinematic graphics were terrible... *SPOILER* The bit when Ezio gets stabbed at the end, when the screen goes all blurry, I thought I was playing a PS2 game. Literally the cinematic effects were just terrible in that sequence. *END OF SPOILER*
Wow, thanks. Do you really think it's physicly possible to react and stop reading that quickly? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I managed to stop, so yeah, it is possible...

ACII_Addicted
11-24-2009, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Zackebacke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AetosEagle:
Cinematic graphics were terrible... *SPOILER* The bit when Ezio gets stabbed at the end, when the screen goes all blurry, I thought I was playing a PS2 game. Literally the cinematic effects were just terrible in that sequence. *END OF SPOILER*
Wow, thanks. Do you really think it's physicly possible to react and stop reading that quickly? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Duuh! Same happened here i couldn't stop reading http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NekoKera
11-24-2009, 02:28 PM
The only problem I've been noticing is when climbing a building or looking at it I can see a white line that divides parts of it and it seems like objects combinded with a white line jutting out when I look at a building with a certain camera angle, but I got use to it after 3 or 4 times. As for the blurriness it only seemed to come up in one or two cinematic parts but for the gameplay I didn't notice any. However I was really impressed with some water and night effects even though the moonlight was sometimes a bit powerful at times. But when I think about it, AC1 did have it's problems as well, but I would definately have to put AC2 above AC1 in graphics. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

green_abobo
11-24-2009, 02:30 PM
ahh crap. wish there was spoilers posted in the topic.

Dub_C
11-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Pretty sure ACII was built on the same engine as the original, so if the graphics are better (which I don't think they are), its fairly minimal. The jump from Halo 3 to Halo 3: ODST (built on same engine) was much more of a stark improvement in graphics than the AC to ACII jump. The cut scenes were pretty weak, especially when it came to close-ups. When Ezio goes to see his father in prison in the tower, the polygons are just horrendous.

Its certainly not a deal-breaker, though. The plot and improved gameplay more than made up for it.

So better graphics weren't really expected on the same engine that much. I have faith that ACIII will looks absolutely fantastic on a new engine though. Can't wait.

bushinosaya
11-24-2009, 03:17 PM
This is because most people don't know anything about game development ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you look at AC1, you will see most buildings look quite similar and many share the same textures. In AC2, there are a lot of very different buildings, with more different textures, and there is a wider diversity in textures/models used for the crowd generation. These elements take a lot of memory. So, yes, AC2 is more beautiful than AC1 and I'm quite sure they optimized the engine a lot.

Why do you think head textures are less beautiful? Because you don't see them often ( you mostly see Ezio's clothing and the cities ), they might have made the choice to have lower res textures for heads just to be able to put everything in the RAM...

The only thing which is weird is the strange desaturation/low contrast on the PS3. 360 looks amazing but nightime looks like daytime on PS3 :/

caswallawn_2k7
11-24-2009, 03:20 PM
The only thing which is weird is the strange desaturation/low contrast on the PS3. 360 looks amazing but nightime looks like daytime on PS3 :/
all those comparisons are done on poorly setup PS3's the same as the ones done for AC1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

bushinosaya
11-24-2009, 03:25 PM
Nope, all my games look great and saturated. AC2 is beautiful but desaturated and lacks contrast on my PS3 slim. Lowering the brightness results in crushed blacks and looks nothing like the 360 version.

Believe me, I'd love it to be as great on PS3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Looks like some issue with the lightmaps or ambient set too bright... Nighttime loses a lot of its appeal. I dream they might fix this ( after freezes, low framerates and screen tearing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

caswallawn_2k7
11-24-2009, 03:30 PM
are you using full RGB and super white and the HDMI connector? as it looks a lot better than the screen shots that have been getting posted. also there is a slight smoothing effect that takes place on the PS3 that you don't see on the 360 (as they both render on different engines the 360 uses AA the PS3 doesn't it uses a different system)

TooLazy4Name
11-24-2009, 05:45 PM
the only problem i had with the games graphics were close ups with characters. they didnt look....very ps3ish. more like Haze (ps3) ish.

An_Idea
11-24-2009, 05:50 PM
i thought the graphics were amazing and much better than ac1, the only thing is with the anvil engine, most of the focus of detail seems to be on buildings and clothes, peoples faces arent up to snuff, but all in all the graphics in this game are some of the best out on the market today

Teeem3000
11-24-2009, 08:29 PM
AC had baked shadows, AC2 has dynamic shadows so they're not as "crisp". But seriously, compare Lucys in AC and AC2, there's a world of difference. Lucy looked like **** in AC, but in AC2 she just looks ugly.

obliviondoll
11-25-2009, 01:39 AM
Well, I haven't got any complaints about the graphics being significantly improved from the original on MY PS3.

Osiris2000ru
11-27-2009, 02:59 AM
I hope, we will see AC3 on NEXT-Generations consoles (not on XBox 360 and PS3) ))
Or may be DirectX 12 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oh...i wish my XBox 360 had 2xMemory )))

Azugo
11-27-2009, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Osiris2000ru:
I hope, we will see AC3 on NEXT-Generations consoles (not on XBox 360 and PS3) ))
Or may be DirectX 12 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oh...i wish my XBox 360 had 2xMemory )))

Are you suggesting PS4 and Xbox 720? (If they name them that...)
If so, I hope they don't make those until atleast 5 years away... I'm not ready to fork out another thousand bucks just yet. (Or in 5 years for that matter)

But back on topic, I personally think the game looks amazing. With the exception of the faces...

But as somebody said before me, there is so much difference between Lucy in the Original Assassin's Creed compared to the second one. She does look a bit creepy but alot better at the same time, if you know what I mean?

BennettGale
11-27-2009, 04:49 AM
Maybe the graphics are better on PS3 than XBox because I have it on PS3 and the graphics are fantastic, although not that much better than AC1 it's still a large improvement on the Pac Man graphics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BennettGale
11-27-2009, 04:52 AM
Lucy looks like she has had a botox overdose in the second one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Michelasso
11-27-2009, 05:58 AM
I think the graphics is just great! And the way Venice is detailed is just amazing. Sure the characters in the FMVs miss some polygons. But Ezio is something. The buildings are exceptional Let's compare AC2 graphics with the one of GTA4 (two sandboxes). There is no contest. This game from a graphical point of view and design is a masterpiece. And I didn't have a single glitch. Maybe a couple of tearings, but nothing major (then it looks like the Animus effect).

bushinosaya
11-27-2009, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
are you using full RGB and super white and the HDMI connector? as it looks a lot better than the screen shots that have been getting posted. also there is a slight smoothing effect that takes place on the PS3 that you don't see on the 360 (as they both render on different engines the 360 uses AA the PS3 doesn't it uses a different system)

Yep, full RGB and super white + HDMI...
If you compare the game to the 360 version, it is lacking contrast and saturation. Maybe people are not abl to see it but that is a fact. And unfortunately, there are no reasons to justify this.

Honestly, nighttime is far too bright and cities look like they are lit by streetlights with xenon light bulbs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Daylight is beautiful though...

So Ubi, bring back th saturatino and contrast from the dead please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bushinosaya
11-27-2009, 08:52 AM
BTW, I must say that except for these issues, graphics are amazing and water rendering is really great !