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RCAF_Irish_403
06-17-2006, 11:55 AM
How was MiG allowed to pretty much dominate the USSR's production/design schedule in the post war? What happened to Yak/La? Did they fall out of favor?

RCAF_Irish_403
06-17-2006, 11:55 AM
How was MiG allowed to pretty much dominate the USSR's production/design schedule in the post war? What happened to Yak/La? Did they fall out of favor?

Jaws2002
06-17-2006, 02:05 PM
I think their planes just sucked. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Jasko76
06-17-2006, 02:11 PM
I believe Artyom Mikoyan was pretty high up in the communist hierarchy. Plus, prehaps, he and his team were better at designing jets than prop aircraft.

Treetop64
06-17-2006, 02:16 PM
I think part of it was because once Polikarpov started getting really good at designing airplanes, MiG absorbed them, combined the resources, and just moved up from there. Combine that with the political favor they won with the Soviet government that Jasko mentioned, and you end up with a pretty strong entity.

Sukhoi obviously got quite proficient, (and prolific, especially during the cold war), as the years went on, too.

RCAF_Irish_403
06-17-2006, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jasko76:
I believe Artyom Mikoyan was pretty high up in the communist hierarchy. Plus, prehaps, he and his team were better at designing jets than prop aircraft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats what i was thinking

RCAF_Irish_403
06-17-2006, 02:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
I think part of it was because once Polikarpov started getting really good at designing airplanes, MiG absorbed them, combined the resources, and just moved up from there. Combine that with the political favor they won with the Soviet government that Jasko mentioned, and you end up with a pretty strong entity.

Sukhoi obviously got quite proficient, (and prolific, especially during the cold war), as the years went on, too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd forgotten about Sukhoi http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Didn't Yak produce the soviet VTOL AC?

Haigotron
06-17-2006, 03:18 PM
yes mikoyan, when i went to armo school back in the day, before the fall of communism, we were told he was a great armenian serving the great Soviet empire...

then after the collapse, we started to watch "survivor" and kinda forgot about him

GerritJ9
06-17-2006, 03:49 PM
It was Anastas Mikoyan, not Artyom, who was a big shot in the CPSU, being a Politburo member for many years. He survived "from Ilyich (i.e. Lenin) to Ilyich (Brezhnev)" as one commentator has said.
Anastas and Artyom were related though I am not sure as to the exact nature- they may have been brothers. Having a close relative in the Politburo could be a mixed blessing, though, especially in the Stalin era- if Stalin had decided to eliminate Anastas, Artyom would undoubtedly have been eliminated at the same time.

LEXX_Luthor
06-17-2006, 06:22 PM
I have wondered about this with you, for some time.

(1) One possibility is that during the war, while all the press and glory shined upon La and Yak for their low altitude dogfight shooter fighters, MiG was building its future success in high speed, high altitude interceptor design far beyond the MiG-3, but a lack of reliable engine and lack of any German high altitude bombing threat made MiG essentially a pure research design bureau during the war. After the war, with the new jet engines, the work that MiG had done at high altitude seems to have paid off handsomely, first with MiG-9 and then beating rivals in design speed with its MiG-15.

(2) Regarding wing sweep, Yak was more conservative than MiG, and stuck with straight wings until it was too late.

(3) Even after the War, even after the Fame, La still had crappy production facilities, and his bureau was moved around from place to place after the war and he got a rather slow and halting start at jet fighters.

Interestingly, La's afterburner design for the Jumo 004 was superior to Yak's afterburner. Back then, each team made its own afterburner, and there was a MiG-9 with afterburning BMW's -- please Oleg? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jasko76
06-17-2006, 06:38 PM
Afterburning BMWs... yummy!

WTE_Ibis
06-18-2006, 03:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
yes mikoyan, when i went to armo school back in the day, before the fall of communism, we were http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif told he was a great armenian serving the great Soviet empire...

then after the collapse, we started to watch "survivor" and kinda forgot about him </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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