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M2morris
09-30-2006, 06:31 PM
I know this is not an RC forum,(I'm an RC flyer)so sorry for being OT, but I had to show you guys this landing if you havent already seen it. This guy is a good pilot.

http://media.putfile.com/Wing-Failure

tigertalon
09-30-2006, 06:51 PM
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SS_Bubblehead
10-01-2006, 12:26 AM
Nice.

I fly RC planes, not 33% but the smaller ones, not easy to fly even with both wings, a constant knife edge with good heading control is very difficult.

I read somewhere of an Israeli F-15 pilot who landed with considerable damage from AAA that included complete loss of the left wing. I think the quality of the aircraft is as important in those instances as the skill of the pilot. Eh I guess thats a no-brainer.

M2morris
10-01-2006, 12:36 AM
Ya, I think this must be what you saw. The RC landing reminded me of this also. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/1winglanding.jpg

Treetop64
10-01-2006, 12:55 AM
The insane power-to-weight ratio of those RC planes is a huge help in a scenario like that. Nonetheless, that was a fantastic save by the pilot.

smokincrater
10-01-2006, 01:53 AM
It proves the old adage that if you have a enough grunt you can fly a brick. Great skill shown there too. Has anyone got a photo of A f-14 with its wings stalled but still flying along due to bodylift?

mortoma1958
10-01-2006, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
The insane power-to-weight ratio of those RC planes is a huge help in a scenario like that. Nonetheless, that was a fantastic save by the pilot. That and the fact that particular plane apparently has huge amounts of rudder authority. And it had just barely enough aileron authority. But the rudder saved it.

Col._King
10-02-2006, 07:08 AM
~S!~

My hat off to Mr. Bill Hempel!!

Now I will have to train that in our sim....LOL.

BTW. that Israeli F-15 Eagle had lost the right wing, not the left one. It happened in 1982, over the Bekaa Valley, during an air battle involving the Israeli Air Force and the Sirian Air Force. That particular F-15 collided with a Sirian MiG-21. The F-15 lost its wing, the MiG-21 was sawed in two and chrashed.
The Israeli pilot was later sent to the USA to teach the American pilots how to fly an F-15 with no one wing. The story was also reported and documented in the Squadron Signal "In Action" booklet related on F-15 Eagle, and in other publications.

Regards

redgremlin
10-03-2006, 02:44 AM
This feature reminded me of a somewhat similar occurance in 1970 when Neil Williams was flying a Zlin in the aerobatic championships and a wing collapsed on him. He flew the circuit inverted and only rolled right way up at the last minute and survived. His full account can be found on http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_failure.htm

tigertalon
10-03-2006, 06:29 AM
Well, there is one thing that bothers me with that Israeli F-15. There is no doubt in my mind that F-15 is one of the finest aircraft ever built, and that israeli fighter pilots are one of the best (if not the best) trained pilots on the Earth, but this pic seems wrong:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/aegeeaddict/1winglanding_1.jpg

Simply: the entire wing alone would create enormous drag/lift on the left side of the plane. Pilot even dropped flaps, to even increase this effect, which was missing on the right side of the plane. This SHOULD cause plane to roll to the right violently. The only way I see this landing possible is with very high speed approach, without landing flaps and with considerable left bank stick - which would help to eradicate the lift on left wing and consequently make it symetrical. If the lift on both sides isn't simetrical, airplane rolls.

No intention to discredit anyone, just interested in debating.

WWSensei
10-03-2006, 09:20 AM
The pic is a screenshot that was photoshopped from a normal F-15 landing. The clip was part of a dramtic re-enactment of the true story--not a real pic.

The wing loss was from a collision with another aircraft (though I though it was a friendly not an opponent). The pilot applied full afterburner and 'flew' it home and had quite a hairy landing. Due to the massive fuel loss and vapor he had no idea the whole wing was missing. He said at the time had he known it was as bad as it was he would have ejected. He did indeed land at well over 100kts over safe landing speed, burned out the brakes and snapped an arresting wire, tearing the hook off the aircraft. He barely stopped in time.

The story, testimony of the pilot and the re-enactment footage periodically shows up on the Military Channel here in the US.

VFA-195 Snacky
10-03-2006, 05:01 PM
Engineers for the F15 said that the fuselage of the F15 was able to create enough lift to sustain flight at high speeds with the right wing gone. Everything was going his way that day.