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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:26 AM
Greetings, again folks. Noob in training, Mr. Z-Town Pirate, Saluting you and yours.

This game is awesome. Only a few days into owning it and I've already got my brother and dad hooked too (they both actually have their pilot licenses... Dad is commercial twin-engine certified). Can't wait for the patch. Based on the mood of the board, I'm glad I only purchased the game a few days ago and avoided the multi-week agony many of you are coping with (PAS: Patch Anticipation Syndrome). The skin feature rocks too. Made my Dad laugh when he flew the Yak-3 with a skin dedicated to his Dog (complete with pictures of his Golden Retriever on the wings). Which brings me to the question...

Is the Yak-3 the best dang plane on this game or what? Let me qualify that... especially for a Noob. No other fighter seems to offer the same performance combined with ease of use. It's engine doesn't easily overheat, you just about have to blackout before it will stall, visibility in the cockpit is great, etc. The Yak isn't my favorite plane (probably the P-47 just because I like the Jug and I'm American), but it is scootin thunder!

I'm really not even close to familiar with all of the different models on the game yet (in RL or FB), but from what little toying around I've done the Yak-3 seems to be the easiest.

Thoughts?

ps: what new planes will be included with the Patch?

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:26 AM
Greetings, again folks. Noob in training, Mr. Z-Town Pirate, Saluting you and yours.

This game is awesome. Only a few days into owning it and I've already got my brother and dad hooked too (they both actually have their pilot licenses... Dad is commercial twin-engine certified). Can't wait for the patch. Based on the mood of the board, I'm glad I only purchased the game a few days ago and avoided the multi-week agony many of you are coping with (PAS: Patch Anticipation Syndrome). The skin feature rocks too. Made my Dad laugh when he flew the Yak-3 with a skin dedicated to his Dog (complete with pictures of his Golden Retriever on the wings). Which brings me to the question...

Is the Yak-3 the best dang plane on this game or what? Let me qualify that... especially for a Noob. No other fighter seems to offer the same performance combined with ease of use. It's engine doesn't easily overheat, you just about have to blackout before it will stall, visibility in the cockpit is great, etc. The Yak isn't my favorite plane (probably the P-47 just because I like the Jug and I'm American), but it is scootin thunder!

I'm really not even close to familiar with all of the different models on the game yet (in RL or FB), but from what little toying around I've done the Yak-3 seems to be the easiest.

Thoughts?

ps: what new planes will be included with the Patch?

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:33 AM
for easy to fly planes, yak-3 and hurri IIc seem to be popular choices. i personally find it to be more fun flying planes other than "the best" ones.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:38 AM
The Yak3 is a good noob plane.

There will be no planes in the patch. They will come in an addon later. P-51 for sure. Maybe the B model too.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:55 AM
Greetings and welcome.

The Yak-3 is generally seen as the easiest plane to fly and is one of the best in the game. However, against experienced flyers its lower top speed can be exploited (and this is about its only weakness other than limited ammo). Planes like the 109K-4 can outrun and outclimb it and therefore defeat it. The Yak also lacks the one-shot killing power the late 109's have. After the patch the Yak may be a little less powerful as the new physics of weight, zoom climb, and dive are implemented. It is extremely tough (damage wise) as of now but most (including myself) feel this is a bug that will likely change after patch. The Yak is VERY vulnerable to pilot kills though so taking on bombers, ships, AAA guns, etc. can be very risky. I die alot in Yak campaigns for this reason and because sooner or later someone that is faster than you will jump you when you are not expecting it (I play full real/hard) settings. In the FW-190 (my favorite), I can zoom around using my superior speed and firepower and rack up an impressive number of kills (but I am using beta08).

My advice is just get used to the game with full real settings on. The Yak-3 requires a pretty good shot so your accuracy should improve quickly. Maybe your next plane should be a good all-around plane like the P-39 and 109. This will make you a little more aware of the limits of turn fighting, and will teach you the importance of keeping your speed up and utilizing climbing ability. They also have a 30mm (109G-6 and higher) or 37mm cannon (P-39) which will show you what one well-placed shot can do. It also lets you attack ground targets which is nice. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But to me the most satisfying and intelligent way to fly is using hit and run tactics, keeping your speed up (never slowing down for anything) and utilizing your wingmen. A couple of planes that are suited to this type of flying are the P-47, FW-190, and the P-51 when it becomes available. This will teach you the value of teamwork, situational awareness, and patience (if the shot isn't there don't take it, just break off and keep your speed/energy up while your opponent flies defensively and loses his). Once your enemy is low and slow (where you never should be), a good way to finish him off is using your superior energy/speed and climbing straight up and turning over at the peak of your climb and diving down on your opponent, lining up your killing blow. If you miss just use the energy you gained in the dive to repeat your attack. Hope this helps.


And sorry, no new planes in the upcoming patch. But a bunch of planes will be available at a later date in a free download. An expansion to be sold in stores is also in the works so there is alot to look forward to with FB.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:58 AM
Yak-3 is easy to fly, good turner and decent climber. On the other side, it has strongly limited dive speed, weak construction and small ammo load. Something like Russian Zeke.



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:16 AM
Yak3 is the best you can have on most cases.
Excluding: a) Against very experienced and good pilots.
b) Against Heavy Bombers.
In all other cases you have the best plane to kill.
Just don't waste your ammo, cause it's not much.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:54 AM
Well Yak-3 was the BEST Soviet WWII aircraft, so it's no wonder that it's good in the game.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 10:23 AM
Like it says in "view objects" menu, absolute combat superiority under 5000m. More structuraly sound planes can still dive faster, and you won't be able to escape from a 109K, but when it comes to manouvering for a shot, the Yak kicks.

A good pilot is a threat against you no matter what plane you fly, and the light weight and excellent handling make the Yak 3 an excellent plane. Planes with centreline guns get hits closer together, so gunnery is easy provided you aim.

If you don't want to aim, I love the P47. Just hold down the trigger until they catch fire. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I've been testing the P47's guns and I find the damage from them tends to spread all over my target, making them look somthing like a cheese grater.

I agree with others here though, in that flying the best plane all the time is not my favourite way to fly. I prefer the Mig-3 with 2xUB or the P39-Q10

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 10:56 AM
Yak-3 is über.. It is fast, good vision from the cockpit, good armament (though you run out of ammo fast). It never gets engine damaged. It takes a lot of punishment from german Mk108 and MG151/20. Only problem is pilot kill.. so when you think of it, Yak-3 is a good bomber killer too.. thoug the problem is lack of ammunition, that prevents it from shooting down many bombers.. But I would feel safer in Yak-3 than in BF-109 when attacking a bomber, since never engine damaged in the same way..

It is the best N00b-plane..However after the patch somethings might change. Like Yak-3 becoming weaker (hopefully).. And it's worst competitor, becoming a little bit stronger (at last! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) .. and late war German planes are still bit faster, than Yak-3.. so if they fly them right, you can't harm then.. ofcourse nothing prevents you from B&Z:ing. German planes might bea ble to dive away from you though.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:27 AM
I've Tested yak3 against bf109K4 with a onlinepilot of
equal skill.

At equal speed and hight flying side by side at same direction at 350km/h and then apply full power.

The 109 K4 accelerated a bit faster initially but yak3 soon caught up( in seconds) . from that point the 109k4 had no possibilities to outclimb, outdive, or outturn the yak3 even if the 109 accelerats faster the gap is gained in seconds by the yak.

Then we tried head on passes same speed and altitude and there was only one pass for the 109 K4 then it was on the defensive.The best thing to do for the 109 k4 was to continue in a dive after the head on pass.It could not loose the yak3 though, but could head for friendlies draging the bandit. when the yak3 caught up 109k4 we tried to do speedbleeding maneuvers with the 109 so the yak overshot and then dive and put distance between us and then repeat it when the yak caught up again.

Alone against yak3 the 109k4 has no chance against an equally skilled pilot exept for the single head on pass where the K4's 30 mm cannon is a threat.

IF there should be 2 passes for the 109 k4 its bcause the yak3pilot has made an error.
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Plz inform me if u have other test results!!!

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:50 AM
ob_swe -

Your tests sound right to me for under 5000m. Remember the Yak3 is a 1944 plane, designed for low altitude, with no long range requirements. The K4 is an entirely different kettle of fish. If the K4 jumps into the Yaks playground, it will be duly spanked.

Of course, a better pilot in a K4, or a pilot who starts with an altitude advantage can do the Yak in just as well. I routinely collected Yak kills in a Mig3 (1941) online in Il2 (but not FB, cause I don't play online anymore) simply because you can often catch pilots chugging around at treetop level in the things, which the manual clearly states _is the worst place you can be_

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:14 PM
Yes the test were made below 3000 m and as the yak3 gained on the 109 k4 it had to pick up speed in dives but could not outclimb the yak, so the only way was down and away to friendly teritoy.

I guess we have to do the test above 5000m aswell /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 02:16 PM
IMHO the Yak-3 is a good plane for newbies, but it has to many serious cons. First of all it`s very limited ammo. Second is that it falls apart in dives that are no problem to handle for most other planes. Third one is that it`s not really fast to go against the "ultimates": 565 kphg at SL, and 650kph at altitude is perhaps enough against a G-14, but a bit slow to go against more powerful planes. Handling is IMHO not as good, snap stalls happen sometimes (altough you can turn with it very very well). Cocpit view - absolutely the best in the game, and also among ANY WW2 fighter, but it comes at the price of NO forward protection. CLimb is very good, but falls off with altitude quickly, and is not a match for late 109s. Also the plane is rather fragile (in Beta8).

I would prefer La-7 over it. And of course the K-4 above the LA-7 (after patch). /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 02:52 PM
Just fly the hurricane field mod, my first plane!

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:56 PM
Havent played FB yet. Waiting to install upgrades to rig. Anyway, in IL2 it is unbeatable. I took them off my server. The only drawback is lack of ammo.

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ZG77_Nagual
08-09-2003, 05:06 PM
After the patch the relative advantages and disadvantages of the planes will be much more accurately modeled. The yak has great turn and roll (sustained turn is not as good as la7) and climb but cannot dive with the 190s/109s - in fact no vvs plane can (airacobra maybe closest). It is easy to fly and a superior turn fighter.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:52 PM
Has anyone noticed that the Yak-3 also seems to have the least head shake during weapons fire? This thread got me interested in it, so I flew it around, different missions and so forth, and I noticed that it's very easy to keep the crosshairs on target while firing with this plane. Some planes shake all over the place when you fire; not the Yak-3.


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:05 PM
ob_swe wrote:

- the 109k4 had no possibilities to outclimb, outdive,
- or outturn the yak3

- definitely all late aircrafts can outdive yak. Notice at which speed it starts shaking and decomposing. The limit in divespeed for VVS pilots in yak-3 was 650kph. Late 109s and 190s/P47s at that speed feel still ok. The good maneuvrability of yak-3 was at cost of airframe toughness, same like japanese A6K5 Zeke.



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fluke39
08-09-2003, 08:27 PM
Yak 3 is a dang good plane

it makes me laugh that just cause a plane is good everyone automatically says it's a 'noob' plane - IMHO the only real noob plane is the hurri. a well flown Yak3 could whip the pants off anything. i'm sure the normandie - niemen pilots didn't choose these planes over any other available (soviet or american) cos they were noobs. (ok that was a real life yak3 not FB one - but still aids my point)

it also makes me laugh when people constantly say it is overmodelled - it may be a little but i'm sure there was good reason that in 1944 (la5fN and La7 were all in service by this time) a german directive was circulated amongst eastern front pilots stating

" Avoid combat under 5,000 ft with all Yakolev fighters lacking an oil cooler under the nose"

which IMO fits snugly with my experience and some of the comments made above

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:33 PM
We didn't say it wasn't a good plane in RL. We said it's a noob plane in FB.

How do you define a noob plane? Noobs fly it../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:48 PM
- " Avoid combat under 5,000 ft with all Yakolev
- fighters lacking an oil cooler under the nose"

eastfront was use g6 and a4/a5 fly until november/dezember 44 main


eastfront get first oktober/november g14 but only few

many squadron have too dezember 44 get g6


this order was for g6,a4,a5


not for k4,g10 or dora,a9 they have almost all fly west late 44

and this order is doubtful,never could differentiate
a yak lacking an oil cooler under the nose with normal yak

by distance

Message Edited on 08/10/0302:09PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 10:31 PM
fluke39 wrote:
- Yak 3 is a dang good plane
-
- it makes me laugh that just cause a plane is good
- everyone automatically says it's a 'noob' plane -
- IMHO the only real noob plane is the hurri. a well
- flown Yak3 could whip the pants off anything. i'm
- sure the normandie - niemen pilots didn't choose
- these planes over any other available (soviet or
- american) cos they were noobs. (ok that was a real
- life yak3 not FB one - but still aids my point)
-

The Normandie Niemen pilots did not choose the Yak 3 over any other available....because when they made their choice (1943), the Yak 3 did not exist.

NN chose Yak 1 (Bs) and then also received Yak 9, 9Ds and 9Ts.

The Yak 3 were received later....

The pilots chose Russian airplanes (Yaks) for many reasons (P39 did not have a good rep in England, relied on supplies from the West etc....).

In FB Yak 3 is a good plane for a new pilot, because it handles well and will not let the pilot make too many risky manoeuvers without paying for it (like the Hurri, which will change dramatically).

The Yak 1B is a also very good plane for earlier servers

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08-09-2003, 10:51 PM
Pfft when I see a Yak3 I run.

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fluke39
08-10-2003, 11:31 AM
NN_Veverka wrote:
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- fluke39 wrote:
-- Yak 3 is a dang good plane
--
-- it makes me laugh that just cause a plane is good
-- everyone automatically says it's a 'noob' plane -
-- IMHO the only real noob plane is the hurri. a well
-- flown Yak3 could whip the pants off anything. i'm
-- sure the normandie - niemen pilots didn't choose
-- these planes over any other available (soviet or
-- american) cos they were noobs. (ok that was a real
-- life yak3 not FB one - but still aids my point)
--
-
- The Normandie Niemen pilots did not choose the Yak 3
- over any other available....because when they made
- their choice (1943), the Yak 3 did not exist.
-
- NN chose Yak 1 (Bs) and then also received Yak 9,
- 9Ds and 9Ts.
-
- The Yak 3 were received later....
-
- The pilots chose Russian airplanes (Yaks) for many
- reasons (P39 did not have a good rep in England,
- relied on supplies from the West etc....).
-
- In FB Yak 3 is a good plane for a new pilot, because
- it handles well and will not let the pilot make too
- many risky manoeuvers without paying for it (like
- the Hurri, which will change dramatically).
-
- The Yak 1B is a also very good plane for earlier
- servers
-


errr yeah the pont i ws making that when the YAK3 came out - they chose it over everything else - obviously they can't choose it if it's not made yet.

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08-10-2003, 01:30 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:08 PM
ob_swe wrote:
- I've Tested yak3 against bf109K4 with a onlinepilot
- of
- equal skill.
-
- At equal speed and hight flying side by side at same
- direction at 350km/h and then apply full power.
-
- The 109 K4 accelerated a bit faster initially but
- yak3 soon caught up( in seconds) . from that point
- the 109k4 had no possibilities to outclimb, outdive,
- or outturn the yak3 even if the 109 accelerats
- faster the gap is gained in seconds by the yak.
-
- Then we tried head on passes same speed and altitude
- and there was only one pass for the 109 K4 then it
- was on the defensive.The best thing to do for the
- 109 k4 was to continue in a dive after the head on
- pass.It could not loose the yak3 though, but could
- head for friendlies draging the bandit. when the
- yak3 caught up 109k4 we tried to do speedbleeding
- maneuvers with the 109 so the yak overshot and then
- dive and put distance between us and then repeat it
- when the yak caught up again.
-
- Alone against yak3 the 109k4 has no chance against
- an equally skilled pilot exept for the single head
- on pass where the K4's 30 mm cannon is a threat.
-
- IF there should be 2 passes for the 109 k4 its
- bcause the yak3pilot has made an error.
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- Plz inform me if u have other test results!!!
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I personally think you have your stories mixed up... A good K-4 pilot should be able to force a good Yak3 pilot to fly defense, and therefore... eventually lose, if done right. Also, the idea of "Equal situations" isn't how it's done anyways... the K-4 should never be below 4k when it engages enemies, and therefore, will always have the Energy... If you know you're fighting other BnZ pilots, fly at 5, 6, 7, or ever 8k... depending on their tactics... but the point is, the K-4 is ... along with the P-47, one of the best high alttitude planes, and has the absolute best climb rate.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 02:12 PM
Nowt wrong in using the Yak-3.
You have a hangar full of a/c to choose from, pick whatever you want. If it gets you the kills then good for you. If you get accused of using a 'noob' plane, then that's sour grapes from someone you just shot down. They can fly whatever a/c they want.

Can they call you a 'noob' for using the Yak if you're getting all the kills and the 'aces' are not? I think not!
Kill or be killed.


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Message Edited on 08/10/0308:14PM by Scragbat

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 05:21 PM
fluke39 wrote:
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--
- errr yeah the pont i ws making that when the YAK3
- came out - they chose it over everything else -
- obviously they can't choose it if it's not made yet.
-

When the Yak 3 "came out", they did not choose it. Their choice was made at the beginning of their first campaign, and it was the Yak 1B.

The dotation of Yak 3 was a "natural" evolution, not a choice, AFAIK.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:48 PM
There are no Noob planes in this game, and I stress GAME. Fly what you like and enjoy. I am no so called "Noob" but have been called that many times because I fly the Hurricane. Most of these Noob callers are just angry because they are getting clobbered by a superior game pilot. So what if the Hurri or the Yak 3 are easier to fly that some of the other planes. They all have their inherent advantages and disadvantages.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:54 PM
If you ask a soviet WW2 veteran,probably he will answer to you that the best soviet fighters in WW2 were 3 planes:
Yak-3,La-7,Yak-9U.

That's all I have to say......

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:55 PM
Well said, I second that...

Fly what you like it's your choice...

Cochtail wrote:
- There are no Noob planes in this game, and I stress
- GAME. Fly what you like and enjoy. I am no so called
- "Noob" but have been called that many times because
- I fly the Hurricane. Most of these Noob callers are
- just angry because they are getting clobbered by a
- superior game pilot. So what if the Hurri or the Yak
- 3 are easier to fly that some of the other planes.
- They all have their inherent advantages and
- disadvantages.
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