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SATAN_23rd
03-22-2006, 06:51 PM
Here is my dilemna, I am trying to buy memory and realized there are a lot more options than I thought.

So far, here are my specs.

AMD FX-60

Two radeon X 1900 XTX's

An ATI Xpress 3200 Crossfire MOBO

now, I know that this mobo needs 184 pin DDR ram, but beyond that it gets murky. The specs on newegg say it needs DDR400 PC 3200 ram, but it has a bus speed of 1Ghz? Does that sound right?

Also, what kinds are good, is a lower latency better, and how do I know what voltage to get?

Treetop64
03-22-2006, 06:54 PM
Sorry, but what's an XT1900XTC? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

For RAM, go with at least a pair of 1GB 5300-667 DDR2 sticks. Corsair, Patriot, or Kingston are sure bets.

SATAN_23rd
03-22-2006, 06:57 PM
http://www.ati.com/products/RadeonX1900/specs.html

Sorry, I meant to type X 1900 XTX

SATAN_23rd
03-22-2006, 07:07 PM
How would this work?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145596

Owlsphone
03-22-2006, 07:20 PM
That's some great memory.

G.Skill is also another hot brand of memory to look out for...especially if you're into overclocking.

SATAN_23rd
03-22-2006, 07:50 PM
Anyone have any good case recommendations?

It has to be well ventilated, or have room for water cooling as I suspect this thing will get hot.

SATAN_23rd
03-22-2006, 08:12 PM
OK, I got the case figured out, now onto water cooling.

Is it necessary? I do not plan on doing any overclocking. I dont think I will need to.

SATAN_23rd
03-22-2006, 08:28 PM
OK, are there water coolers that will push water through a cpu block, 2 gpu blocks and possibly a chipset block?

SATAN_23rd
03-22-2006, 08:34 PM
Where can I go to get info about watercooling?

vocatx
03-22-2006, 08:51 PM
Try "Community Help". I know several of the guys over there have water cooling or have done research into it. They would also be a great place to post concerning a new system.

danjama
03-23-2006, 04:58 AM
If i was you i wouldnt waste my time or money on watercooling, fans do the same job better in most cases, just make sure you position the fans strategically

blairgowrie
03-23-2006, 05:39 AM
I have to agree with danjama about watercooling. Just make sure you get a FULL SIZE size server case with mucho 120mm fans. I have a Thermaltake Armour which keeps everything nice and cool and quiet.

danjama
03-23-2006, 06:23 AM
Wow someone agreed with me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

A nice big case with many options to popsition fans is a must! Front and rear positions are essential!

Zoom2136
03-23-2006, 08:37 AM
Wait a minute that AMD FX-60 does not work with DDR2 memory... you'll have to stick with DDR... the new platform AM2 from AMD is comming out soon and it will support DDR2...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/21/a_look_at_amds_socket_am2_platform/

Now... if you play FB-AEP-PF mostly... don't buy 2 ATI x1900xtx... (by the way the X1900XTX is not crossfire enable only the X1900 is)... as two cards run actually slower than 1... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

You may want to read the following article...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_..._mega_launch_mayhem/ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/)

$ for $ I would go with a 7900GTX (and I'm a proud ATI owner myself) but its less expensive and a bit more powerfull... and it uses a smaller chip that uses less voltage (read less heat)

If you want performance cooling that is silent this is what you want

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...1645513&sku=Z20-1105 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1645513&sku=Z20-1105)

Read the reviews on it is quit good.

So think about that... you will have to change motherboard ....

Hope this help

SATAN_23rd
03-23-2006, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Zoom2136:
Wait a minute that AMD FX-60 does not work with DDR2 memory... you'll have to stick with DDR... the new platform AN2 from AMD is comming out soon and it will support DDR2...

Now... if you play FB-AEP-PF mostly... don't buy to ATI x1900xtx... (buy the way the X1900XTX is not crossfire enable only the X1900 is)...

You may want to read the following article...

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_..._mega_launch_mayhem/ (http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/)

$ for $ I would go with a 7900GTX (and I'm a proud ATI owner myself) but its less expensive and a bit more powerfull... and it uses a smaller chip that uses less voltage (read less heat)

So think about that... you will have to change motherboard ....

Hope this help

With ATI's new X3200 motherboard, the cards do not need to be crossfire enabled.

And nowhere in the description of that memory does it say DDR2... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

SATAN_23rd
03-23-2006, 08:46 AM
Also, why would you pick the Nvidia, you just cant say go with them and not give a reason ...

Zoom2136
03-23-2006, 08:46 AM
Read the second post... someone recommended you DDR2... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And read the article... and decide for you're self... this is what they are there for...

LEBillfish
03-23-2006, 08:47 AM
Recently I made a rather detailed post as to cooling...I'll try and find it re-posting it here as liquid cooling is IMLTHO specifically focussed forgetting other factors at times.


This is a bit more complex then you realize.....

ex.: Consider this........The more fans, the more heat that is generated from electric motors....More so, you take the hot air and pump it out into the room....Yet where do you get your "fresh" air from?....Same room http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

My setup is actually working quite well, yet is not very practical for many folks..However here is what I suggest trying in the following order....

1. CLEAN IT YOU PIG!!......Ok that was rash, but true. It's important no matter how filtered you have your case that you clean inside every so often, the more often the better. Check in the heat sink grooves especially, as very fine dust will coat them. Yet get it as clean as possible....This also includes "fan blades" as the heavier they are the harder the motor works and the more heat is generated.

2. Filter your intakes....To aid in #1 above add filters to your intakes...You can purchase them...or you can even make them by getting simple medical gauze and taping it over...The gauze will actually help collect dust and when dirty, throw it away....You can also by "static plastic filters"...these filters get charged by the PC running and attract dust.....On the more exotic end you can make "intake baffle boxes". Literally, the air will as it snakes through the baffles changing directions cause the dust to fall before reaching the PC (some of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ).

3. Re-route your wires......This is a primary cause of overheating for many. (Often a major source of dust too as they work like the baffles above). Try to get your wires attached with zip ties/whatever as close as possible to the sides of the case or to unmovable supports...If done perfectly it will "almost" look as though you have little to no wires inside...More realistically very few packed tight to area's away from airflow. You can even if you have bundles of wires running the same way (cheap way) tape them up into one single larger cable, single leads coming off where needed.

Pausing a moment.......I've yet to see many cases that are really "well" designed for cooling. In fact most are nothing more then a box designed to fit components in as best as possible disregarding cooling.......What you want to consider here is as follows....

A. Getting "cool" air in "smoothly"
B. Directing it to Components
C. Flowing over components YET not then over others as much as possible.
D. Not disrupting the flow with other fans or components (wires a good example).
E. Getting the hot air out as fast as possible.

4. DO NOT JUST OPEN YOUR CASE AND BLOW A HUGE FAN ON EVERYTHING......If you do this you'll find hot spots where air just lingers....A well designed case acts like a conduit of sorts actually routing the air where needed then out. If you just open it up it just sits there.

5. Out fans are more important then intake....If you just push air in the case, it will try and find the easiest way out often not routing over what you need cooled. In kind you might have area's where the heated air in the case just flows around a spot over and over...getting ever more heated....Lastly, just in could possibly mean the fans deadhead as the outgoing air is not as great as the intake...So essentially just making heat but moving little air............If given the "choice" of either intake or exhaust....Choose exhaust. If you can have both make the exhaust volume greater then the intake to INSURE heat is sucked out.

6. Add Heatsinks.....You can purchase very inexpensively heatsinks to directly attach to chips....Determine what gets hot...Processor, Ram, Video, etc.....Mount a heatsink to it as it will work like a radiator....You can even take this a step further by mounting the small 25-30mm older processor fans over them........In kind for processors mostly you can consider a "better" heatsink/fan combo......(as a side not here you can also "sandwich" both sides of cards that get very hot like video cards")

7. Consider "Component Fan Flow"....You probably have a fan over your processor, your video card chip side, maybe even your sound card. Also consider any other little component fans you have added or are elsewhere......Now determine how they flow. Most will flow down (drawing air in) on the heatsinks where it then is dispersed in all directions...Consider how that air is flowing...and where it flows to.

You can also consider "scoops"...Simple air scoops that draw from assured cool air area's. As silly as it sounds get creative...and make these.

8. Intake air......Consider how many intake "fans" you will have and where they are placed. You know where hot air is moving around in your case, so consider how you can get the cool air to those areas as smoothly as possible. Next once to those area's you want that "heated" air to be directed away from all other components as best as possible.

This will take some thought, yet consider compensating with some intake venting. One simple method is open up the bay slot on the fan side of your Graphics card. This allows cool air to suck in past where it is needed, and actually will help alter the flow of the intake air as it will adjust it's path possibly (think of little creeks flowing to an ever larger river of air)....Many intake fans now blow over the hard drives....THIS IS A GOOD thing as they need to be cooled. This is a BAD thing in that it heats up the air to cool other components. So consider other intake locations that will help get cool air to those other components ALONG WITH the standard over HD intakes.

9. Mother Board.....You're blowing air over the top of your motherboard.....What about the backside?....I've actually had the paint on a case burn where the backside of the motherboard was near....Consider how you can vent that area (for me it took some cutting)....Yet drawing air off the backside of the MB can help a lot.

10. Exhaust....Ok, Now you have routed your cool air in and over components where needed HOPEFULLY considering a smooth flow out...Make the volume of air that can be moved out more then in....This is actually simple to figure (naturally if all fans have the same rated volume CFM/R.)....3 80mm fans in...4 out.....OR 3 80mm fans in, 1 80mm & 2 120mm out....and so on. Consider your venting openings as well as you need to make up for their intake volume as well. Remember as well you also have the PS fan going for you. So place your exhaust fans to help continue that flow you envisioned when you planned it all out....and it doesn't hurt also exhaust near the top to get lingering heat out of the box.

........From here on out it can get even more exotic....Where does the cool intake air come from...where does the hot air go?...If you can, consider routing your exhaust air out of the room (this will also cut down on fan noise)...In kind you might think of a clever way to route it in.

You can do all this long before "liquid cooling" systems and so on....Up to you as to how far you might take it.

My system is as follows:

I run a separate power supply to power ALL my fans except the processor mounted outside of the case....that's now 16 more (3/80mm in, 3/80+1/120 out (plus internal PS exhaust), 2 small over ram heatsinks, 1 chipset heatsink, 2 AGP card sandwiched, 2 voodoo card, 1 sound card, 1 special routing to primary power supply) all exhaust routed out of the room, intake through a chiller box (really nothing more then sealed round aluminum ducting 8' into the ground then up).....Like a hurricane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

SATAN_23rd
03-23-2006, 10:04 AM
LEBillfish, thank you for taking the time to type that all out, it is way more than I expected.

One of the reasons i want to go with water cooling is noise reduction as well as cooling efficiency, plus, I dont think I want to dig a hole 8 feet down for a pipe of cooling air. (you actually did that???)

Right now I am thinking about using some of the blocks that are out for gpu/proc/chipset etc.. and somehow chilling the water, and buying my own pump to pump the coolant through it all.

We will see.

SATAN_23rd
03-23-2006, 10:16 AM
By chilled, I mean slightly cooled more than a radiator, I am not hooking up an AC unit to my computer to chill it to sub-zero temps like some crazy people.

SATAN_23rd
03-23-2006, 10:32 AM
here is the case i picked.

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811133132

SATAN_23rd
03-23-2006, 11:40 AM
Would it be too much to ask a mod to move this to the Community Help forum please?

BestiaGris
03-23-2006, 12:45 PM
I saw some pics a while ago...

You wouldn't believe it.

Someone had "dismembered" his PC. Optical and floppy drives were all "in the dry", but everything else was dipped into an aquarium filled with vegetable oil.

It was a sight to see.

SATAN_23rd
03-23-2006, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by BestiaGris:
I saw some pics a while ago...

You wouldn't believe it.

Someone had "dismembered" his PC. Optical and floppy drives were all "in the dry", but everything else was dipped into an aquarium filled with vegetable oil.

It was a sight to see.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif