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buglord
02-26-2011, 06:39 PM
Hello all i just need some advice to choose between 2 graphics cards Gainward GeForce® GTX 460 2GB GOLDEN SAMPLE (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=400)
Gainward GeForce® GTX 560 Ti 1024MB (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=455)

Im on a budget & they are both £185, my current mobo is an ASUS P5N-D, 4Gigs of Corsair memory & Quad core Q8200,W7 Ultimate 64 bit, would like to do a total upgrade but cant afford it at the moment, i Dont expect to run full setts for COD on my current set up. any advice would be appreciated.Thanks.

M_Gunz
02-26-2011, 06:44 PM
Make sure your power supply is way more than enough to pull that load!

buglord
02-26-2011, 07:09 PM
Good point , ive checked recommendations it says 450w min , ive an 550w so i should be ok ive got 2 8800gts sli running off it at the moment, ill get a bigger power pack if i need one, cheers M_Gunz.

VW-IceFire
02-26-2011, 09:46 PM
Just curious why no Radeon's are part of your consideration? I'm doing a bit of research myself and the Radeon HD 6870 and 6950 look very interesting.

I'm not sure what the answer is between those two cards... haven't read enough benchmarks.

BaronUnderpants
02-27-2011, 09:16 AM
The only thing the 460 is "better" at is the 2gb memory, wich only matters if u run extreme resolution and/or multiple screens.

Other than that 560 is a fair chunk better.560 is one step above gtx470.

Get the 560.

Xiolablu3
02-27-2011, 10:41 AM
I just got a 2nd hand Nvidia 260 to replace my brothers 7900GS.

I could have got the 280, but the power consumption on that is just ridiculous as far as I can see.

The 260 is much more sensible, and still around twice as fast as a Geforce 8800 IIRC.

Ba5tard5word
02-27-2011, 12:54 PM
The 260 is still a solid card but it's about 2 years old now and has trouble with newer games. I replaced mine with a 470 and it really increased performance in stuff like Fallout New Vegas.

Anyway I would go with a 560 over a 460.

Xiolablu3
02-27-2011, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
The 260 is still a solid card but it's about 2 years old now and has trouble with newer games. I replaced mine with a 470 and it really increased performance in stuff like Fallout New Vegas.

Anyway I would go with a 560 over a 460.

I cant believe this at all BS. I use a 8800GT1gb and dont have trouble with one single game - and I play themn all at 1280x800 widescreen. Call of Duty Bad COmpany, Bad Company 2, all other FPS and RPG's. I am demanding when it comes to FPS too, I demand constant smooth fps - certainly not lower than 30-35 fps.

Can you tell me one single game that the 260 will have trouble with? Its about twice as fast as my 8800GT.

Fall OUt New Vegas is totally smooth at high dsettings with my 8800GT, E6800 C2D and 4Gb RAM on XP 32bit SP3. I cannot believe that the 260 will have any problems. Maybe your system is not running very well?

saipan1972
02-27-2011, 03:58 PM
http://www.tomshardware.com/ch...fbrandx876,2464.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics-charts-high-quality/Battlefield-Bad-Company-2,Marque_fbrandx876,2464.html)

M_Gunz
02-27-2011, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by buglord:
Good point , ive checked recommendations it says 450w min , ive an 550w so i should be ok ive got 2 8800gts sli running off it at the moment, ill get a bigger power pack if i need one, cheers M_Gunz.

That's pretty good. The 2 x 8800's probably drink a good bit of juice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif My guess is you checked the draw of the desired replacements compared.

I've got a 600W in a box waiting for a new build. Will be looking at an AMD 4 core, 4G RAM and mid-range NVidia. That should be more than recommended but not a whole lot more. If it pulls 400W then I want a 600W PSU behind my investment.

Eldude95
02-28-2011, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

-snip- No offense, but you aren't running at particularly high resolution, or a decent framrate. Not only that, but FPS like those aren't exactly the worlds most demanding games. With a decent card, they depend almost only on CPU speed for performance.

On topic: Get the 560, the way it'll handle AA and DX 11 will outweigh any gain you'd get in FPS at 1080 and above resolutions.

Ba5tard5word
02-28-2011, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
The 260 is still a solid card but it's about 2 years old now and has trouble with newer games. I replaced mine with a 470 and it really increased performance in stuff like Fallout New Vegas.

Anyway I would go with a 560 over a 460.

I cant believe this at all BS. I use a 8800GT1gb and dont have trouble with one single game - and I play themn all at 1280x800 widescreen. Call of Duty Bad COmpany, Bad Company 2, all other FPS and RPG's. I am demanding when it comes to FPS too, I demand constant smooth fps - certainly not lower than 30-35 fps.

Can you tell me one single game that the 260 will have trouble with? Its about twice as fast as my 8800GT.

Fall OUt New Vegas is totally smooth at high dsettings with my 8800GT, E6800 C2D and 4Gb RAM on XP 32bit SP3. I cannot believe that the 260 will have any problems. Maybe your system is not running very well? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As Eldude says, you're running at a pretty low resolution and you're ok with low framerates--though I'm pretty sure I was able to play most games at 1680 x 1050 or 1920 x 1080 and get around 60fps with my old 260. Fallout New Vegas is definitely not very well coded but with my 260 I got constant stutters, with the 470 I don't get any at all. With other games I can raise the AA and AF higher than I could with the 260. The 260 is still a very good card but like I said it's about 2 years old now and I'd want something newer for COD. For Il-2 though it's great, I don't see any improvement from the 260 to the 470, I think a 260 is about as good a card as Il-2 needs.

Xiolablu3
02-28-2011, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Eldude95:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

-snip- No offense, but you aren't running at particularly high resolution, or a decent framrate. Not only that, but FPS like those aren't exactly the worlds most demanding games. With a decent card, they depend almost only on CPU speed for performance.

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course 30-35 fps minimum is a decent framerate. I am talking MINIMUM not AVERAGE. All games go to a minimum framerate far below the average.

TV/Film runs at 27-28 fps. Bear that in mind.

If 3D fps shooters like that arent demanding on gfx cards then I cant imagine what is. I would say they are the best games to test gfx cards. - And some of hte most demanding as far as graphics are concerned. particularly the newer ones like Call of Duty : Black Ops. Quake 3 was used as an excellent graphics card tester benchmark for years.
Besides I play ALL sorts of games. I listed FPS because I think they are most demanding on the gfx card. Tell me games that you are saying is more demanding and I have probably played them if they are Top titles and not some obscure indie games.

1280x800 is probably the most used resolution for games right now and totally fine for me.

I have been repairing and servicing computers professionally for many years and also PC gaming for around 15 years. I am not some part time PC gamer who doesnt know what he's talking about.

If you say that 30-35 as a minimum (not average) frame rate is low then I claim you do not know what you are talking about.

If you misunderstood me and thought I meant average, then I forgive you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Please tell me what games are more demanding for a graphics card than a modern FPS.

Poacher886a
02-28-2011, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by buglord:
Hello all i just need some advice to choose between 2 graphics cards Gainward GeForce® GTX 460 2GB GOLDEN SAMPLE (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=400)
Gainward GeForce® GTX 560 Ti 1024MB (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=455)

Im on a budget & they are both £185, my current mobo is an ASUS P5N-D, 4Gigs of Corsair memory & Quad core Q8200,W7 Ultimate 64 bit, would like to do a total upgrade but cant afford it at the moment, i Dont expect to run full setts for COD on my current set up. any advice would be appreciated.Thanks.


I would'nt buy either....add £15 to your £185 and buy the far superiour ATI 6950 2gb....which as everyone knows, a simple bios flash and hey presto you have a 6970, which would make much fun at the two cards you mention.!

BaronUnderpants
02-28-2011, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by Poacher886a:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buglord:
Hello all i just need some advice to choose between 2 graphics cards Gainward GeForce® GTX 460 2GB GOLDEN SAMPLE (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=400)
Gainward GeForce® GTX 560 Ti 1024MB (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=455)

Im on a budget & they are both £185, my current mobo is an ASUS P5N-D, 4Gigs of Corsair memory & Quad core Q8200,W7 Ultimate 64 bit, would like to do a total upgrade but cant afford it at the moment, i Dont expect to run full setts for COD on my current set up. any advice would be appreciated.Thanks.


I would'nt buy either....add £15 to your £185 and buy the far superiour ATI 6950 2gb....which as everyone knows, a simple bios flash and hey presto you have a 6970, which would make much fun at the two cards you mention.! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


First: As mentioned before more memory does squat unless u are running extreme resolution and/or multiple monitors.

Second: Flashing your 6950 to 6970 is a great way of increasing the chance of frying your gpu with 50%.

A very easy recommendation to make when YOU dont have to pay the piper IF/WHEN it goes wrong. Personally, iv bought several cards second hand but i wouldn't touch the 6950 with a 10 foot pole due to the "flash hysteria" where everyone from joe aged 12 to grandma all of a sudden knows what they are doing.... apparently. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

No offence.

P.S. In any case 6950 isnt "far superior" in any sence of the word to begin with http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW, under normal resolutions/single screen the 6950 2GB is SLOWER than the 6950 1GB, just so u know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Xiolablu3
02-28-2011, 03:23 PM
More than 1gb Memory will come in handy on a gfx card in the future. But not right now IMHO.

1gb is fine for all current games as far as I can see. But this will of course change. How soon depends on many factors. How high you want your gfx settings and resolution for example.

If you plan on upgrading again in a year, I wouldnt worry about the memory size. If you plan on keeping it longer, then think about it some more.

I doubt any real world application or game will use more than 1gb right now, only benchmarks. But thats just a guess.

buglord
02-28-2011, 04:14 PM
1st of all i would just like to say thankyou for all your help.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Ive always had Nvidia cards, never tried an ati card but what has put me off them is what was in one of olegs posts about nvidia cooperating with his team & ati did not. also i remember posts from the past with ati & graphics problems in il2.im not saying ati are rubbish , ive never had one , but its just that ive had no experience with them & ive never had any trouble with nvidia cards.
Anyway due to your useful posts ive been doing some research & im going to get a
Gigabyte GTX 460 OC2 1GB GDDR5, there are a few reasons it has 450w ps min ,its £30 cheaper also the GTX 560 requires 500w min & im near the boarder edge with my power supply with that one. its only got to last me until the end of the year until i build my new rig & i dont want to be spending more money on my current rig. also like a lot of you have said i dont need 2gb version at the moment. so hopefully with this card & current rig i should be able to run COD on decent settings.
So does everyone think this card will be ok for my circumstances . Thanks again all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

buglord
02-28-2011, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buglord:
Good point , ive checked recommendations it says 450w min , ive an 550w so i should be ok ive got 2 8800gts sli running off it at the moment, ill get a bigger power pack if i need one, cheers M_Gunz.

That's pretty good. The 2 x 8800's probably drink a good bit of juice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif My guess is you checked the draw of the desired replacements compared.

I've got a 600W in a box waiting for a new build. Will be looking at an AMD 4 core, 4G RAM and mid-range NVidia. That should be more than recommended but not a whole lot more. If it pulls 400W then I want a 600W PSU behind my investment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After your 1st post i went & checked the min power requirements for the gtx 560 again & i got it wrong its 500w not 450, so ive been checking all the cards that ive been looking into. thanks again m8. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Ba5tard5word
02-28-2011, 04:39 PM
1280x800 is probably the most used resolution for games right now and totally fine for me.

Dude, 1680 x 1050 is soooo much better than anything below it. Though I don't really see a difference between that and 1920 x 1050.

Airmail109
02-28-2011, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">1280x800 is probably the most used resolution for games right now and totally fine for me.

Dude, 1680 x 1050 is soooo much better than anything below it. Though I don't really see a difference between that and 1920 x 1050. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood 720p looks fine with a bit of AA.

You lot are like a bunch of Hi Fi nerds. Enjoy da ****ing game!

Ba5tard5word
03-01-2011, 12:03 AM
720p looks like mushy crap after you've been using 1050p or 1080p.

KG6_addman
03-01-2011, 09:09 AM
As long as you're running the games at native resolution it will look crisp anything lower than native equals "mushy".

M_Gunz
03-01-2011, 09:23 AM
I run a flat screen and it has a native resolution 1440x900. That's my target.

ploughman
03-01-2011, 10:50 AM
I was playing RoF on a 37 inch HD flat screen last week, I put the big telly in the pub for the rugby over the weekend and got out the 24 inch flat screen, same resolution 1080p. Man, that big screen really helps get you into the game.

Crash_Moses
03-01-2011, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by buglord:
1st of all i would just like to say thankyou for all your help.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Ive always had Nvidia cards, never tried an ati card but what has put me off them is what was in one of olegs posts about nvidia cooperating with his team & ati did not. also i remember posts from the past with ati & graphics problems in il2.im not saying ati are rubbish , ive never had one , but its just that ive had no experience with them & ive never had any trouble with nvidia cards.
Anyway due to your useful posts ive been doing some research & im going to get a
Gigabyte GTX 460 OC2 1GB GDDR5, there are a few reasons it has 450w ps min ,its £30 cheaper also the GTX 560 requires 500w min & im near the boarder edge with my power supply with that one. its only got to last me until the end of the year until i build my new rig & i dont want to be spending more money on my current rig. also like a lot of you have said i dont need 2gb version at the moment. so hopefully with this card & current rig i should be able to run COD on decent settings.
So does everyone think this card will be ok for my circumstances . Thanks again all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


That seems like a wise compromise, Buglord. I've been looking into upgrading my 8800GTX and the 1GB 460s have gotten very good reviews. I may very well go with the same but I'm going to wait until COD is actually released and then check prices.

S!

ATARIJaguarfan
03-01-2011, 12:26 PM
I say neither,get a ATI card, same quality for much less.

PF_Coastie
03-01-2011, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by KG6_addman:
As long as you're running the games at native resolution it will look crisp anything lower than native equals "mushy".

That is only true if you do not use a digital connection. With my 5770 I use an HDMI cable to my LG 23" with Native res of 1920x1080 and I run it at HD 720P and I can not tell the difference except I can now see dots MUCH better. When I tried this with standard monitor cable connection it did not scale well. The game was optimized for 1024x768 so the lower you can get the better you are for seeing certain things.

Higher is not always better!

Poacher886a
03-01-2011, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Poacher886a:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buglord:
Hello all i just need some advice to choose between 2 graphics cards Gainward GeForce® GTX 460 2GB GOLDEN SAMPLE (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=400)
Gainward GeForce® GTX 560 Ti 1024MB (http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=455)

Im on a budget & they are both £185, my current mobo is an ASUS P5N-D, 4Gigs of Corsair memory & Quad core Q8200,W7 Ultimate 64 bit, would like to do a total upgrade but cant afford it at the moment, i Dont expect to run full setts for COD on my current set up. any advice would be appreciated.Thanks.


I would'nt buy either....add £15 to your £185 and buy the far superiour ATI 6950 2gb....which as everyone knows, a simple bios flash and hey presto you have a 6970, which would make much fun at the two cards you mention.! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


First: As mentioned before more memory does squat unless u are running extreme resolution and/or multiple monitors.

Second: Flashing your 6950 to 6970 is a great way of increasing the chance of frying your gpu with 50%.

A very easy recommendation to make when YOU dont have to pay the piper IF/WHEN it goes wrong. Personally, iv bought several cards second hand but i wouldn't touch the 6950 with a 10 foot pole due to the "flash hysteria" where everyone from joe aged 12 to grandma all of a sudden knows what they are doing.... apparently. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

No offence.

P.S. In any case 6950 isnt "far superior" in any sence of the word to begin with http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW, under normal resolutions/single screen the 6950 2GB is SLOWER than the 6950 1GB, just so u know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Err, lets forget the resolution V Memory for a minute...extra Memory allows you to bump the AA+AF up and still have plenty to play with, it will also provide a far more future proof solution for games needing more and more.

As for flashing the bios, i've yet to hear of anyone who has had an issue with the 6950>6970 change, who actually took the time to read how it is done...hell Guru3D.net even have a free download for the job, its called if i remember righlty...

..." Flash your 6950 to 6970 in seconds without any fuss or problems despite not being a qualified electronics engineer or master in the old dark arts of bios flashing"

As for me, im not an Nvidia fanboy...or an ATI one for that mater. I always buy the best card for the money at the time, I did have an ATI in my Box, now i've got a Nvidia GTX570, see there you go.

The only problem i've got with my heavely overclocked / volted GTX 570 is the LACK OF MEMORY, yes thats right folks, my 1280mb of memory is not enough to play NTW or Silent hunter 5 with and AA over 4x...sure im playing at greater resolution than the original poster, but like me, he might one day get a larger monitor or want to add greater AA etc.

While i would never buy a G-card based purely on its Memory quantity (as long as it was sufficent), the ATI's are chucking it out at no extra cost.

Im sorry, but given his budget and the cards available, the 460 = forget, the 560 if you must, but the 6950 is the one i'd be putting in my box.

M_Gunz
03-01-2011, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by buglord:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buglord:
Good point , ive checked recommendations it says 450w min , ive an 550w so i should be ok ive got 2 8800gts sli running off it at the moment, ill get a bigger power pack if i need one, cheers M_Gunz.

That's pretty good. The 2 x 8800's probably drink a good bit of juice. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif My guess is you checked the draw of the desired replacements compared.

I've got a 600W in a box waiting for a new build. Will be looking at an AMD 4 core, 4G RAM and mid-range NVidia. That should be more than recommended but not a whole lot more. If it pulls 400W then I want a 600W PSU behind my investment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After your 1st post i went & checked the min power requirements for the gtx 560 again & i got it wrong its 500w not 450, so ive been checking all the cards that ive been looking into. thanks again m8. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only part I feel weird about is do they say 500W with the hardware you've already got or is it 500W just for the card (I'm very doubtful but then I don't have experience with that level card, and there are 1kW+ PSU's out now.) or more like 500W with some standard or gaming PC?

BaronUnderpants
03-02-2011, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Poacher886a:

Im sorry, but given his budget and the cards available, the 460 = forget, the 560 if you must, but the 6950 is the one i'd be putting in my box.

I do agree on the 460=forget.